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A History Of Cubs Losses: Cubs vs. Giants Preview, Tuesday 8/10, 9:15 CT

SAN FRANCISCO -- After a nice lunch on the Embarcadero here in San Francisco, and watching the fog try somewhat uneasily to lift this afternoon, I went back to write this preview and had no real ideas. How many great ideas for game previews can you possibly have when the Cubs have lost 11 of their last 12?

Thinking more about the 11-out-of-12 strech actually gave me an idea. So I used baseball-reference's game log analyzer to see what were the worst 12-game stretches in Cubs history. There are some interesting results, and since without this I'd have almost nothing to say to preview tonight's game, let's have a look.

The Cubs have lost 12 or more games in a row in six different seasons: 1944, 1970, 1981, 1982, 1985 and 1997. Some of those streaks were longer; the 1970 and 1985 teams lost 13 straight and the 1997 team's 14-loss streak to open the season is the longest in club history. At least two of those teams -- the 1970 and 1985 editions -- were supposed to be contenders. The '85 team at least had a reason -- injuries to the entire starting rotation.

Here's a list of other years when the Cubs have had a 12-game stretch where they went 1-11: 1916, 1943, 1944, 1947, 1950, 1954, 1955, 1957, 1961, 1968, 1973, 1991, 1994, 1996, 2000, 2006 and 2010.

There are a couple of things that stand out there: first, the almost complete lack of streaks like that before the 1940's -- just the 1916 team, which was playing its first year in what is now known as Wrigley Field and was in transition. Second, the really, really bad era between the mid-1940's and late 1960's, when the Cubs lost like this with regularity. And finally, way too much of this in recent years -- five times since the leagues broke into three divisions in 1994.

To me, the best comparison between what's happening this year and any past stretch like this is the 1973 team -- also a veteran team reaching the end of the line with a core of players that had won in the past. This group made the playoffs twice (three times, if you stretch it back to include Carlos Zambrano and Aramis Ramirez as part of the core that won the NL Central in 2003 and had five winning seasons in seven years); the other group didn't. The difference is, I think, that the Cubs decided to completely rip the team apart after '73 and the result was a 98-loss year in 1974. It came with a 25% attendance drop. This franchise can't afford that, and a complete rebuild might do that, even to season tickets. A lot of you have scoffed at Jim Hendry's thought that three or four key acquisitions could put the Cubs back in playoff contention. Whether or not that is true, they at least have to try -- because not doing so could cost them the money they need to do it in the future.

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Ryan Dempster
Ryan Dempster
Cubs
vs. Tim Lincecum
Tim Lincecum
Giants
9-8 W-L 11-5
3.76 ERA 3.15
144 SO 159
62 BB 58
20 HR 12
vs. SF -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Ryan Dempster 9-8 24 23 1 0 0 0 150.2 136 73 63 20 62 144 3.76 1.31


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Tim Lincecum 11-5 23 23 1 1 0 0 151.2 136 55 53 12 58 159 3.15 1.28

The last time the Cubs faced Tim Lincecum, on September 25, 2009 in San Francisco, they put a wacky lineup on the field that included only two players that could be considered regulars. They won the game -- mainly because that was Z's two-hit shutout, but still. Does it really matter who starts tonight? Half the roster is the Iowa Cubs anyway. Current Cubs are hitting .228 vs. Lincecum and the only Cub who has ever homered off him is Koyie Hill. So why not just put names into a hat?

Since Ryan Dempster returned to the rotation in 2008, he has made four starts vs. the Giants, and gone 1-1 with two no-decisions and a 3.39 ERA -- not too far from his average performance as a starter in that time frame. Pat Burrell (.320, 8-for-25, five doubles) and Edgar Renteria (.318, 7-for-22, two HR) hit him well.

Tonight's game is on WGN, and on NBC Bay Area. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Please visit our SB Nation Giants site McCovey Chronicles.

Tonight's first pitch thread will be up at 9:15 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 10:15 pm, 11:15 pm and midnight CDT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Can't stay up this late.

Will have to read about it in the morning…

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 10, 2010 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I suppose I could DVR it...

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 10, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Late?

It starts at 7:15.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, YOUR time.

10:15 here in edt…

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 10, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, nearly anytime feels "late" this year...

I’m glad I have to get up at 5am daily… I get to miss at least some of the suffering! Selfish? YES :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mr. Yellon, My TV Guide shows a "9pm" game on WGN

Is that an error, or are is your info faulty? Maybe ur on E Coast time?

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is at 9 pm Central time.

Zeke lives in Eastern time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I am in California, so it starts at 7:15 my time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

In sweet home Chicago, 9pm start. Enjoy the coast Sir! Dang hot here! (but at least its reaaaallly humid!) :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't...do it...to...yourself....

Hey Zeke. Save yourself the possible heartbreak? Or, are we in “shame-mode” now? 1-11… owwwwie!

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be watching, as this game is WGN.

Looking forward to seeing Hoffpauir back in action!

Lincecum has been beatable this year, I say the Cubs snap this losing streak tonight. But Dempster will need his “A” game. The Giants are the one team in the NL that might actually be worse, offensively, than the Cubs.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 10, 2010 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

No he's right

Lincecum has been beatable this year. Especially when he starts walking people. He’s also given up quite a few home runs this season. Not his best year.

As for the Giants lineup, I don’t know if they’re worse than the Cubs but their pretty bad. They’re very inconsistent.

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 10, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the truth hurts...

….say ouch!

"Every day when I show up, I try to provide a little laughter...some days when I pitch it gets pretty funny, too." -- Ryan Dempster, 5/2010

by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

ouch!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 10, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

going to see the i cubs

Tomorrow. Which really isn’t the ICUBS since they are in Chicago.

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 10, 2010 6:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Making 3 or 4 moves could put this team in contention

Or it could handcuff this team even worse. I get that Hendry has to try it (he’s got his job to think about as well), but it’s not what I’d prefer.

by shoemile on Aug 10, 2010 6:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I prefer a competent GM makes said moves

That being said, signing Dunn and going in house with every other roster spot would make me happy.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Aug 10, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Al, how long are we gonna have to see that BBM Powered NL East Rivals Chat crap on the front page?

While the idea has some merit, the content of the two I’ve seen so far has almost no relevance to the Cubs, and frankly, the repartee is quite lame, not to mention becoming quickly outdated.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 10, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions  

It's an ad.

So… I have no control over it. The last time I got a complaint about this, I passed the info along to the SBN sales folks. If enough people are irritated by it, I’ll pass the info along again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish the discussion would at least update

I’m on the edge of my seat wondering what everyone thinks of Fernando Martinez

by shoemile on Aug 10, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering who Fernando Martinez was.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't know who he is either.

All the more reason the chat must continue!

by shoemile on Aug 10, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figured it was out of your control - just hoping you can pass along the feedback through your channels.

And if it’s still there after a few more days, I’ll go and leave comments on the actual chat like I did before – as did a few others from here. I would have hoped they got the message the first time, but obviously Blackberry must be paying them big bucks.

Again, I’m not against new ideas, but please… is a little relevance and higher quality of content too much to ask if it’s going to occupy such a prominent location?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 10, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, you have to wonder,

How many Cubs fans read the content of this blog on a regular basis and don’t post here? They don’t lurk, the fact is they’re not members of BCB, but they come here to see the content and get news about the Cubs.

Seems to me the people at SB Nation could give us something that is relevant with regard to ads.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Consider me irritated

That thing is so annoying, and ad blocker doesn’t work on it for some reason. Not going to click on it, no matter how much they leave it up there.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Aug 10, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll pass the word along to the ad people.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Aug 10, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

My AVG '09 has allowed nothing...

just sayin…

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bring your "A" game Demp.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 10, 2010 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

if hill starts this game

tram shouldnt bother showing up to the managerial interview

by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Koyie Hill "hits" Lincecum.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 10, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting three or four key acquisitions may not make the Cubs a playoff team...

but they’ll be better than whats out there now.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I think that's what hurts

every time I think of the trade deadline. Not that we’re 3 or 4 players away from contention, but that we weren’t able to move any of the giant contracts that will prevent us from even making a play on 3 or 4 key acquisitions.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 10, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That Sir, is probably a good observation...

Move a “Z”… (to Sox for Peavy?) still frees up little or nothing. Jim H gotta get some GM “wasted” and then do business! Move F-dome? I don’t think Lee or Nady have much real “value”… for the right team…maybe. Aramis sure looks to be staying.

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill is starting..

I figured the lineup had already been posted…

CarrieMuskat #cubs lineup tues is cf colvin, ss castro, 1b hoffpauir, 3b ramy, rf fuke, lf sori, 2b dewitt, c hill, p demp
about 1 hour ago via txt

by Ryno G on Aug 10, 2010 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Word is Castillo isn't even there yet

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither is Hoffpauir, from what I hear

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Flight delay I guess

but I honest go God checked schedules and while there are no direct flights there are plenty of options to get from OKC to SF.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Darn, you beat me

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

i can handle hill in the lineup

if hoff and fukudome werent in the middle of the order

by jesus christos on Aug 10, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

What a joke.

Fukudome AHEAD of Soriano? Hoff third?

by elgato on Aug 10, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

LINEUP!!!!!!!!!!!!

cf colvin, ss castro, 1b hoffpauir, 3b ramy, rf fuke, lf sori, 2b dewitt, c hill, p demp

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I heard something about it.

Anyone got details?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 10, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

rolen pushed wainwright into

Fence. Nobody hurt.

Started at home plate with phillips and molina.

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 10, 2010 7:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Phillips didn't do it with his bat yesterday...0-5

Maybe “fistacuffs” his next best option? :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Red Birds lack "class" this year...votto comments,

Phillips recent comments… appears Dusty either condomns this, or, cant control it?

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you mean when you say: "Dusty condomns this"?

Are you referring to some kind of Dusty birth control method?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Aug 10, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops! Typo! Yipes! :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

How bout "condones" this?

ALLOWS! :] See, I knew I shoulda stayed in School!

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, you have a masochistic streak if you go through history looking for Cub losing streaks.

Just head over to Marin County across the bay and enjoy life. Forget this Chicago National League Ballclub stuff (at least for a few days).

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Aug 10, 2010 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

g'nite. If I stay up later, I might be tempted

to actually watch this game! that, leads to less than 5 hrs sleep.

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Cardinals fan here

I know you guys hate the Cards as much as we hate the Cubs. However, I just wanted to say that you guys at least have the class and decency that the Reds Fans at RedReporter severely lack.

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment. :)

There’s a reason Al says “Please visit our Cincinnati Reds SB Nation blog Red Reporter. Be careful over there, though” before every Cubs-Reds game.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid to know what Al thinks of McCovey Chronicles :)

We don’t have the greatest reputation with the Rockies blog because we constantly make fun of them and their no swearing rule.

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 10, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fred- I can only speak for myself-

as a long-time Cub Fan, I do not feel we “hate the Cards”… Respect? yes. Are “rivals”…until 2010 came along. I think “we” perhaps, “hate-disrespect the Braggert Cards Fans”… you sat us down in playoffs last year, we did for you the preceding 2. Its a “back-n-forth division”, no? I think I’d prefer Cards in Playoffs over Reds… something ugly seems to be rising out east…

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad jeff

im married to a cubs fan. I don’t hate the cubs literally. I just said that in the spirit of the friendly rivalry

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the way it

should be! We don’t play the games, we’re just fans. What happens on the field, has literally very little to do with us. Its the Teams. I don’’t hate any team… well, some nearly beg for it, but they do not always represent the Fans skewed opinions! Goood Luck to ur Cards!

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, Daily

Not even the Raiders…them… I pity. :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool

That might be worse…

by daily2b on Aug 10, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny you mention that

I am actually a Raiders fan… I would hate them if they weren’t my team :)

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

meant no offense, just funnin!

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

... .... ... nothin to add ... .. ....

G’nite all. Go Cubs(?!)

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been to two Cubs-Cardinals games,

Both of them at Wrigley. In the first one, Cardinals fans got a little overboard when the Cubs won.

At the second, I had no problems whatsoever with Cardinals fans and it seemed to have the “friendly rivalry” that you would like to see.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i agree

i have been to both cubs/cards games at both wrigley and busch… while i have run my mouth a bit… it was always in good fun and never with any hostility

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillips comments stooopid & backfired!!

Have only fired up TLR and Cards. Similar to Votto exccept the Cubs don’t have the offense to reply appropriately. He’s made himself Public Enemy No. 1 in a pennant race.

I know LaRussa and StL can be whiners and irritating but there was a better, more diplimatic way of saying it.

I get FSM but missed the brawl. Am sure it will get mucho replays. they just replayed some pushing and shoving but couldn’t see much, saying Cueto, the pitcher, was kicking I think.

by QuincyCub on Aug 10, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

he was kicking larue in the face and Carpenter in the kidneys

stood up and fought like a man… oh wait

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

I’m watching ESPNews, trying to see replays of it.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was bad

it really looked terrible… his back was up against the net and he was just kicking his legs out waist high and above

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

How remiss of us?

FredbirdisaDork- Welcome to BCB. g’nite Sir.

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always hated Phillips.

So cocky. But now he joins A.J. at the top of my least favorite players list.

by Dcr18 on Aug 10, 2010 7:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i was reading that he actually claimed that he was a better all around player than utley

haha

Meanwhile, the Cardinals had the great silencer standing on the mound for the opener. His name is Carpenter, and, to quote James Brown, papa don't take no mess.

by FredbirdisaDork on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've always hated Phillips.

So cocky. But now he joins A.J. at the top of my least favorite players list.

by Dcr18 on Aug 10, 2010 7:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

Where’s that AJ Quote, by a regular, that begins, "I’d rather “take one in the…”??? :]

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to watch the video on MLB.com.

It’s taking forever to load on Firefox.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 10, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

The video has been posted on MLB.com already.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 10, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cueto was kicking guys and not ejected?

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

"tossing punches/kicks" (IF accurate)

would be automatic ejection, if observed, no?

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It appears Cueto's actions were defensive.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

La Russa and Baker have history dating back to when both men managed the Bay Area teams

I’m not surprised at all they would be jawing at each other.

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 10, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

First big brawl of the year

by Dcr18 on Aug 10, 2010 7:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

First big brawl of the year

by Dcr18 on Aug 10, 2010 7:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

raey eht fo lwarb gib tsrif

deergA

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dusty & TLR were only ones ejected.

Just watched the video. From the article:

In the bottom of the first inning, Phillips was leading off and walked to the plate. As customary practice, he usually greets the catcher and umpire with a tap of his bat to the shin guards before stepping into the batter’s box. This time, Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina wanted no part of that pleasantry. Molina kicked Phillips’ bat away, stepped on home plate and started yelling into his face. Phillips talked back and Molina took off his mask, and that cleared the benches and bullpens.

Kinda settled down after that, but somewhere in the crowd, things started up again and Rolen, Carpenter, Cueto, and LaRue were in the midst of it.

All fighting aside, can anyone explain this customary practice of tapping the catcher’s shinguards with your bat? Apparently it’s a sign of respect? His Samminess used to do it a lot and I know other players do it as well. Just seems very odd to me. Is it supposed to be like Magic and Isaiah kissing?

I’m with Molina on this one, and that’s regardless of what Phillips said yesterday. If I’m a catcher, last thing I want an opponent doing to me is tapping me with his bat.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 10, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow. good "research"

I’ve never, to my recollection, seen/heard of it???

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It does happen, its usually a friendly

exchange and occurs when the players involved know each other. I believe Soriano does it too.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, I'm still trying to figure you out.

First, you buy season tickets and go to Wrigley Field every game even when you are watching a AAA team…

Next, you spend countless hours running a blog so that every Cub fan can remind every other Cub fan just how miserable this season is…

Then, you willingly pay more money to travel to another city to watch this same motley crew some more????

That qualifies you either for sainthood or an asylum — I not really sure which.

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 10, 2010 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

You Sir,

Require a response from Mr. Yellon himself. Could I make just my suggestions?. Loyalty, Faith, Belief, the use of the term “Die-Hard Fan”… MLB knowledge and MLB intrest… I’m a "recent member of BCB, you’d be hardpressed to find a more knowlegable Cub Fan than Al Yellon, and, in most cases, “us BCB members”. Just MHO.

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, again, only my opinion...

“insulting” the cubs, on a clearly “all cubs thread”, likely won’t get ya too far. We try very hard to show respect for all OPINIONS here. G’nite

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually she is giving

Al props I believe. When Dero was here she posted quite often and cheered for the Cubs.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 10, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

See Sue?

Us new guys!? I took it the wrong way, eh? Thanks. I think the “motley crew” comment got me. didn’t sound like "props. But, if there’s “history”… my bad.

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

FYI, Jeff

First, it’s “ma’am”, not “sir”.

Second, I’ve made about 3500 more comments on BCB than you have — and I’ve never been banned.

And, as my comment was directed primarily to Al, I will calmly await his reply.

DMH

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Aug 11, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here is the link

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100810&content_id=13276098&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

It looks like Carpenter is the one most likely to get suspended. More like one giant shoving match but some action in the corners.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

thanks dog

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow!

Bad stuff! my hat’s off to molina tho… did what he hadda do…

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Aug 10, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's an asshat all the time.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the Reds guys...

That’s not baseball

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well the big league team stinks.

But Chris Archer dominated again tonite. Can’t wait to see him next year.

by Dcr18 on Aug 10, 2010 8:26 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yep. Poor guy goes 7 innings and gives up one run on one hit

and his ERA goes UP from .46 to .58. If he pans out, perhaps we can get over losing DeRo.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Smokies radio guy said

he thinks Archer might be one of the top 3 pitching prospects in baseball next year.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is likely to jump to the Cubs top prospect

I know from someone who works for the Cubs that the think he is the real deal.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 10, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stupid ass rain.

Hope it gets it out of its system before the game starts. One draw back to satellite.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 10, 2010 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Rain....I like that song

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 10, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Paperback Writer :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 10, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Out of town scoreboard:

O’s onward to a 8-1 record under Buck, Pie and Patterson both go yard, Pie a 3 run shot.
 Theriot is3 for 4, with a steal, Dodgers rolling the Phils.

by Grockcubs on Aug 10, 2010 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh I don't know

maybe because there are 3 ex Cubs. Geez lighten up Francis.
 Everybody is at the ledge

by Grockcubs on Aug 10, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Orioles are playing the Indians.

And have not faced a pitcher with an ERA under 5.

Theriot is hitting .258 with the Dodgers. His OBP is only slightly better, and he’s doing worse in all other major categories. He’s had one extra-base hit and has been caught stealing once (with one successful attempt).

I don’t miss Theriot. Not in the least.

by elgato on Aug 10, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

To Al's "Hendry can't afford not to try" point

I’d like to see a different plan of attack than trying to right the ship in the span of just one off-season. Assuming that there’s more than just $3-4M to spend this offseason, I’d like for the Cubs to focus on acquiring a bonafide talent to fill a position of weakness (ie Adam Dunn at 1B, Cliff Lee at the head of the rotation). Then after that, I’d go with either internal options or bargain-basement specials to fill the rest of the team needs.

This is an approach that I’d like to see every offseason. Let the contracts of the old and underachieving expire, then find a match between the available top-tier free agents and roster spots where the team is weak. Then, if there are still areas of improvement that can’t be solved with an available top-tier free agent, fill it with younger players or waiver wire guys that will be happy with a one year, $1M deal.

No more overpaying for mediocrity!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Aug 10, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

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