Cubs Minor League Wrap: August 16
by Josh Timmers on Aug 17, 2010 12:02 AM CDT
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PrintIt's signing night. The only Cub information I have so far is that the 7th round pick, high school RHP Ben Wells, signed for $530,000.
Iowa Cubs
The Iowa Cubs beat the Fresno Grizzlies, 5-3.
Jeff Samardzija allowed only one unearned run over six innings. The Shark gave up four hits. He walked only one and struck out five. Samardzija's record in Iowa is now 10-2.
Iowa hit three solo home runs tonight. The first was in the second inning by third baseman Marquez Smith. Smith was 2 for 3 with a walk. It was his tenth home run for Iowa and 13th overall. Right fielder Brad Snyder hit his 20th of the season in the fifth. Snyder was 2 for 5 with a double and two RBI. Finally, catcher Robinson Chirinos hit his second for Iowa and 17th overall in the sixth inning. Chirinos was 1 for 4.
Center fielder Sam Fuld went 2 for 3 with a double, a triple and two walks. Fuld scored twice.
Tennessee Smokies
The Smokies were put out by the Chattanooga Lookouts, 8-2.
Starter Rafael Dolis got knocked out early tonight, giving up seven runs over only 3.2 innings. He allowed only five hits, but he walked four. Dolis struck out three.
Left fielder Brandon Guyer has been red-hot since July 1, and tonight he was 3 for 4 with a double and a triple. Guyer scored twice.
Second baseman Tony Thomas was 2 for 4 with an RBI. Third baseman Nate Samson went 2 for 4.
Daytona Cubs
The Daytona Cubs were driven down by the Tampa Yankees, 5-3.
Alberto Cabrera started and took the loss. He pitched 5+ innings and allowed four runs on eight hits. All three batters he faced in the sixth inning would eventually come around to score, two of them after he left the game. Cabrera walked three and struck out three.
Second baseman DJ LeMahieu went 3 for 4 with a double and a run scored. Third baseman Ryan Flaherty was 2 for 4 with a double. He scored once and knocked one in.
RIght fielder Kyler Burke was 2 for 3 with a walk. Center fielder Evan Crawford went 2 for 4 with a triple. He also scored once.
Peoria Chiefs
The Peoria Chiefs shut out the Kane County Cougars, 4-0.
Su-Ming Jung pitched the first three innings and allowed three singles. He walked no one and struck out one.
Jung didn't get the win because he didn't go five innings, but in this case, Jeffry Antigua really deserved the win. He pitched the next five innings and also allowed three singles. He did not issue a walk and he struck out seven.
Right fielder Jae-Hoon Ha was 3 for 4 with a run scored. Center fielder Anthony Giansanti went 2 for 4 and he scored once.
Boise Hawks
The Boise Hawks were all wet against the Everett AquaSox, 7-3.
Starter Juan Yasser Serrano was pretty dominant tonight, allowing only one hit over five shutout innings. He walked one and struck out six.
Jordan Latham took the loss when he got into a major jam in the eighth inning. Latham only got one out but he allowed five runs. However, he only allowed one hit (a triple) and hit a one batter. Two other batters reached on errors and another reached on a fielder's choice. So only one of the five runs he allowed was earned.
Catcher Jeff Vigurs was 1 for 4 with a double and all three RBI.
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Wells was the only signing that's been announced so far...
And it’s approximately one hour after the deadline. Some news on late round picks (i.e. who’s signing and who’s going back to school) has been coming out over the past hour and should continue into tomorrow.
However, as things stand now, the Cubs spent roughly $3.5m in signing bonuses. That’s bad.
Ugh
Or only $300k more than the Cardinals spent on Zach Cox. I am beginning to really dislike the Ricketts. Don’t tell us you plan to run your organization like the Boston Red Sox and then do anything but run your organization like the Red Sox. What a joke.
Amusingly enough
The Red Sox have spent more than three times as much as the Cubs on signing bonuses, clocking in at $11m.
by Outshined_One on Aug 17, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions
We didn't really
draft anyone who needed to be paid a significant amound of money. Golden was our overslot guy. Don’t give them high money if you don’t need to.
That says a heck of a lot more about the quality of talent the Cubs drafted than anything else
by Outshined_One on Aug 17, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I fully expect
the Cubs, with the great picks they should be receiving, to go all out next season and take some risks and get some great talents and sign them no matter what. No sarcasm font.
Great picks?
You mean great pick. After the first round, basically any team can go out and get these overslot guys if they want to. It’s not merely a matter of draft position.
I consider a top pick in the 2nd and 3rd round..
great picks because usually players who were projected 1st round fall there.
Ok
But they could have gotten a “great player” with their first round pick this year and they didn’t. Improving their draft position will not make up the difference between $3.5 million and $11 million. That will require a change in attitude.
The thing is...
Even if the Cubs spent $500k between Harman, Rhoderick, and Smith (which I really doubt), this is the least they’ve spent on the draft in recent memory; even less than last year’s $4m debacle. Yeah, Jackson and McNutt look great, but the rest of that draft looks mediocre at best. This team spends less than $5m per draft since Wilken took over in 2006. That’s inexcusable for a major market team like the Cubs.
I know the Cubs are under new ownership, but I have seen nothing to suggest they will break from previous trends. This draft actually makes them look worse by comparison to the Tribune Company.
by Outshined_One on Aug 17, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
But how much
have they been spending in Asia? Didn’t they plunk down 1.2 million for Kim Jin-Yeong in February? There have been some other big Asian signings too.
From everything I’ve heard, including my source inside the Cubs, the Cubs took the guys they liked. They didn’t take anyone because they were cheap.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 17, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
But Josh...
… don’t expect to sway the organization-bashers by quoting facts.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Exactly
The whole draft process was a real dissapointment to me. We added almost nobody with a high ceiling. And even those with a high ceiling are really far away and have a high bust potential. The Ricketts are essentially blowing sunshine up the ass of anyone that has a clue about the draft when they say they are trying to run their organization like the Red Sox. Fortunately for them that is about 1% of the people that go to Wrigley.
You're absolutely crazy if you expect picking up a high ceiling guy that is:
a) close to ready for the big leagues
and/or
b) does not have a high bust potential.
The people that fit either or both of those are gone in the first 3 picks, if there ever ARE any in a given draft. If you want high ceilings you need to take big risks.
I wasn't as down on the draft as others
I thought it was decent, and relative to the same point in time (post-draft around June), I was more excited about 2010 than 2009’s draft. That said, this was a very eh draft. I was always okay with the Simpson pick (out of the brief shock when it was made), and I loved the reports on Wells. I liked the HS arms, but there were a lot of picks that had limited upsides. The biggest issue about this draft, for me, was the lack of potentially quality bats the Cubs drafted. I am very happy we got Casey Harman signed. I’m guessing 100-300 K. I think skill/ability wise, he’s very close to Chris Rusin.
Leaving that aside, though, I am a bit disappointed today because
A) Granted, 90% in the top 10 rounds is okay. Slightly below average iirc the BA thing a couple days ago, but it’s okay. That said, you’d like to think that the Cubs knew what it would take to sign DeJesus when they drafted him, and to not sign him, that was disappointing.
B) Steven Brooks. What happened? IIRC, there was a brief rumor/spec early that he would sign. There’s a chance he could really rise on the strength of a strong senior campaign, but the likelihood that he was going after break the bank money … seems unlikely.
C) Bryan Harper/Matt Stites. Some guys were never that realistic. I didn’t think Cody Cox would sign. Here’s a kid who, barring a collapse, has a great shot to be a top 20 round guy with a few years in college. He was a notch behind some of our other HS arms in development. Clayton Crum, I didn’t think that was likely either as he has high round potential in a few years, and same goes for Chris Andersen and Karsten Strieby. That said, with Stites and Harper, there were some indications that both guys were willing to sign if their price was met. I highly doubt that they were seeking exceedingly high numbers (say 2 million plus, some of the reports made Stites sound like a high 6 figure guy). There were really good reports on Stites from the Cape. To not even get one of them signed, when we we’re in the 3-3.5 mil range on bonuses so far, with few big international signings (only Kim, can’t think of anyone else, last year we plucked 3 from Taiwan and 3 from S. Korea), it’s a tad disappointing.
There have been some rumors/spec out there that the Cubs budget would be limited for a couple years, and I have to mildly wonder if there was some truth in that information floating around.
I'm still pretty excited about our signings, with some disappointment though
I’m very glad we signed Ben Wells. I’m also very excited about the stable of the now four HS arms from the top 20 rounds in him, Reed, Richardson, and Hartman. I am also shocked and excited we got Harman signed, every indication I saw said he would return to Clemson.
I never expected Harper to sign, and I read Cox being quoted as saying he wanted to go to Old Dominion despite their coach departing. Same with Strieby, though I really wanted him to sign.
I though we would get De Jesus and Stites signed, though I didn’t read much on De Jesus. Stites seemed to want to get his professional career going if the price was right. So Stites is a definite disappointment. Same goes for the Brooks connection, Steven Brooks and Brooks Pinckard. Here is the link I found about Brooks’ desire to sign:
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/95932404_Brooks__Bencsko_receive_draft_calls.html
Its pretty self explanatory, but he really seemed ready to start playing for the Cubs. Pinckard, though he would have been a tougher sign as a draft eligible sophomore, probably wouldnt have demanded crazy money, so if its true that neither them nor Stites have signed, I view not signing at least two of them as a disappointment.
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 17, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
That being said,
I’m looking forward to next year’s draft. It’s going to be a much deeper draft, and there will be more talent at the top. With the almost comically tragic way this team has performed this year, we’re on our way to a top ten, maybe even top 5 pick. I’m personally hoping for Matt Purke (who reminds me greatly of Cliff Lee) or Jackie Bradley, Jr.
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 17, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Good summary
I’m also disappointed. I was ok with the Simpson pick. Signing Golden and Wells was a positive.
On the disappointing side is the total amount spent. I’m not saying they had to spend at the Red Sox level but they should be closer. Draft the overslot players and sign them. It appears there were some players that they didn’t sign that were signable. Was it only a money question?
I don’t understand DeJesus either. First he might have been a reach when he was taken but then to take him and not sign him is puzzling.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
okay
Raisin has said on another site that Stites was asking for outlandish money and Harper wasn’t likely to sign. If that’s the case, then I’m not that disappointed about either guy. I liked both, but not for outlandish pricing.
still am curious what happened with brooks, though.
In addition
to wells add Rhoderick(9), harman(29), and brian smith(40) http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100817&content_id=13543880&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc&partnerId=rss_chc
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Good nights
from Samardzija(when is he going to get some starts for the Cubs?), Crawford, LeMahieu, Flaherty, and Ha.
Bad night from Dolis and Jackson.
Looks like Samardzija has learned how to pitch
Hopefully he will make some noise next spring.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 17, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Goodness I hope so.
If he could at least challenge for a rotation spot, and not another ticket to Iowa in 2011, what a change it would be.
He is out of options after this year
So, he would have to be designated for assignment if they want to send back to Iowa next year. I think he’ll be given an extremely long leash next year.
by Mulhollandmania on Aug 17, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
As always the photo is appreciated Josh.
I was not happy that Fuld did not play the two games before this.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
I hope what JSB is saying is wrong.
The telling part will be next year and the Free Agent market and his second draft. I will be willing to give Ricketts two years, then if the pennie pinching process continues then we will have some issues.
disagree
telling part will be after 2011 when contracts start to roll off
spending this offseason means little
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 17, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It really is
“wait til 2012”. After the strike, all will be fixed.
spending this offseason is lipstick on a pig
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Aug 17, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Question about scouting...
Do teams know the relative signability with some of these guys when they draft them? Meaning, did the Cubs know that Wells was going to ask for 2nd round money when they drafted him?
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
Generally, yes
Scouts talk to players, parents, and coaches about those players’ willingness to sign. Even if there are unclear signals on how signable a player is, there are other factors scouts tend to take into account, such as where the player is committed (a guy going to JC is probably more likely to sign than someone committed to Stanford), how much money the player’s family has, whether or not the player has good grades, how mature the player is, where he’s drafted, etc.
When they drafted Wells, he was committed to Arkansas. Furthermore, while he was raw and a relative unknown, his stuff was good enough that he could have pitched himself into first round consideration with three strong years at a good baseball school. The Cubs knew Wells had the talent and leverage to ask for a signing bonus in the second round, which they gave him.
by Outshined_One on Aug 17, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
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