Playing Out The String: Cubs vs. Padres Preview, Wednesday 8/18, 1:20 CT
by Al Yellon on Aug 18, 2010 11:30 AM CDT
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PrintI mentioned this in the comments to this FanShot, but also wanted to note here on the front page, that from what I understand, there was nothing to the "Braves after Ramirez" rumors. Aramis will remain a Cub for the rest of this year, and presumably, next, after he exercises his player option.
So the only Cubs still possibly headed elsewhere would likely be Xavier Nady and Kosuke Fukudome. I assume both of those players have cleared waivers and the only reason Fukudome is getting regular playing time is to try to showcase him for scouts. I know people have mentioned here that the scouts already know what he can and can't do -- but they know that about other players, too, and yet scouts sit at virtually every major league game taking a look at players they might be interested in for their team (as opposed to advance scouting, where a scout specifically is looking at a club his team is going to play soon).
Fukudome has raised his game a little since being re-inserted as a more-or-less regular player. Since August 7 he's hitting .306/.419/.500 in 43 PA with seven walks, four doubles, a HR and six RBI. Yes, it's a small sample size. Maybe some team will take him, if the Cubs will eat some of next year's contract. Better to save some of that money than to have him as a $14 million bench player in 2011.
Meanwhile, there's a game this afternoon.
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So who got the better of the Jake Peavy deal? Clayton Richard has had a fine year for the Padres, and even if they don't get anything out of the other three players, they saved a lot of money and got a solid rotation starter. Richard has never faced the Cubs, though a handful of them (Xavier Nady, Marlon Byrd, Blake DeWitt) have a couple of career PA against him.
Casey Coleman is making his first major league start. He had a horrible ML debut against the Brewers on August 2, but since then has made three decent relief appearances. His dad, Joe Coleman, made this mediocre start vs. the Pirates on June 28, 1976, after which he was banished to the bullpen for the rest of his Cubs tenure. Let's hope Casey reverses that family trend.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 1:15 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT.
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No more D.Lee. 8^(
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
From what I understand...
Lee will take the trade. The Cubs and Braves are just discussing the prospects that will be included.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Technically, it just says "sources close to Lee suggest he may be open to such a trade"
That’s a bit different than saying he will definitely take the trade. I think you may be reading this as closer to done than perhaps it really is?
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just like me to do something like that. oops ^-^
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Yeah, not saying it isn't going to happen (I have no idea about that)
I just hadn’t read that he was definitely willing to block the trade.
It does seem reasonable that he could be willing to waive his 10/5 rights on this one given that Atlanta is in the same league and likely going to the playoffs (whereas Anaheim was a bit of a longshot and would require switching leagues).
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Crasnik tweeted it...
Lee is apparently willing to sign off on the deal. The big issue now is which players Chicago will receive in return.
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I find that very optimistic.
I thought and understood that the best the Cubs could hope for was salary relief, since Lee will be a Type-B free agent come October. Hoping for any prospects would be a bit naïve, even if they’re low-level.
But let’s hope we get something out of it.
I can't imagine that whom they receive is a big issue
If we’re talking about low-level prospects anyway for 1.5 months of Lee’s services in a lost season.
Though part of me does wonder if that “apparently” is just restating the “sources close to Lee suggest he might be willing” statement.
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
value is the level of Class B prospect versus the cost of Lee in $$
Low A pair top ten prospects or Low A or High A top five prospect.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
It's unlikely the Cubs would offer Lee a contract...
…so the Type B status matters very little unless Lee promised the Cubs he would reject arbitration so that they could get the draft picks.
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Except that the Cubs aren't going to get a Class B prospect
because they most likely aren’t going to offer him arbitration. So if they aren’t offering arbitration, then they aren’t getting a Class B prospect. Hence, it makes minimal difference what low-level prospect they get.
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, what about the new DLee rumor?
Or are you just lumping it in with the Ramirez rumor?
Was wondering that, too.
It almost looks like a paragraph was mistakenly cut from the preview post.
MLBTR and ESPN both posted on it this morning:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/08/braves-close-to-trading-for-derrek-lee.html
"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Aug 18, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Al's aware.
It was discussed in the thread about last night’s game.
He must've wrote this up before the DLee trade news came out
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Kinda weird.
If you’re right, Al was REALLY off the mark.
Just FYI...
… I wrote this before i left for the ballpark, so the Lee stuff was all breaking just as I was leaving. Otherwise I certainly would have included it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It really is a sad day if Lee is traded...
Many great memories of one of the best players this franchise has ever seen. He’s gotta be in the top 100 or so all time, right?
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Yep.
But, remember, the Cubs weren’t going to re-sign him, anyway.
Is Hee Seop Choi ready to take over at 1B? Can Grace still play?
Wow, I really wonder what the 2011 Opening Day lineup will look like?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I'll be shocked if Hoffpauir is our starting 1B next year
I’m not saying that whomever we put there is necessarily better, but I think the Hoffpauir train officially derailed last year (along with the Fontenot train).
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
But if Lee is traded...
Hendry will at least give him a call-up to reward him for being such a nice guy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
[It was a little joke]
But it’ll be very interesting to see who’s out there during the winter. I will never be on board the Dunn bandwagon, but let’s see what’s out there later on.
Lou was expecting the power numbers to be there from day one...
And when Rami and DeLee sucked it up out of the gate, the Cubs were all but dead by the All Star Break. I’d love to see a 30+ HR bat somewhere in the lineup and his name just might be Adam Dunn.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I think the power will decline soon
and the Ks will very soon will reach 200+ per year. He’d be great for an AL team, I reckon.
My bad
I don’t know how I feel about Dunn (well, I guess I do know: love his potential offensive contributions, hate his defensive limitations). I guess it would come down to contract with him (how many years and how much money). He’d certainly hurt us defensively, but would likely be a step up from DLee offensively (certainly compared with this year’s version of DLee, but likely in general as well).
by SouthernCub on Aug 18, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
There are 50 firstbasemen in MLB better than Hoff
he won’t be starting on opening day
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I'll throw it out there now.
Aubrey Huff will be the Cubs 1B next year. I might not like it, but that’s where I’m going with it.
by Bill Potter on Aug 18, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it...
He’s still a 3 win player who would demand $6-7 million for a one year deal. Might be a nice placeholder until Vitters or Brett Jackson is ready (Colvin could move to 1B).
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From the "I Shit You Not Dep't"
I dreamed the other night that this happened. Not saying I necessarily think it will happen, or that I’d take Huff over Dunn – just funny how the same thing went through my head!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
don't count on Byrd being here next year
he has value and if Jackson does well in AZ. Plus Hawpe will be available for a reclamation project, cheaper, younger and more potential
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Colvin could move to 1B
…and we could start the year with Jackson in center, move Byrd to RF. Eh?
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LINEUP!!!!!!!!!
Barney 2B, Castro SS, Byrd CF, Ramirez 3B, Nady 1B, Soriano LF, Baker RF, Castillo C, Coleman P
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Goin' WAY out on a limb there, aren't 'cha?
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I am with lou! Colvin should sit for about a week! It looks bad for Lou if Colvin leads the team in HRs and he didn't play for most of the first half!
Lou, you know what’s right for your image!
Totally sucks!!!!!!!!!!
Where is Colvin?
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
His and sori's stats are pretty close despite Sori playing more.....So why not Colvin in LF?
Oh, I forgot, his contract.
I am so silly sometimes!
Colvin is
apparently the best veteran LH hitter off the bench.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 18, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
weep
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 18, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Can someone tell me why does MLB have a trade deadline if trades can still be made?
I get confused every year.
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 18, 2010 12:13 PM CDT reply actions
non waiver deals is July 31st and waiver deals is August 30th
for players to be on the final playoff roster.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Waivers aren't what they used to be.
Contracts are simply too damn huge and complicated and most clubs won’t claim a player if they ultimately could get stick with the bill.
If you are going to claim a player off waivers. it’s kind of like showing up at a table in a fancy restaurant where a family of 25 has just eaten. You say: “This one’s on me” … all the while hoping a nice dessert course is coming out from the kitchen to the table as the diners get up and head for the parking lot.
Don’t forget to tip the waiter.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
stick = stuck = stunk
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
stunk=stank=stink
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 18, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The three words that best describe you are as follows, and I quote, ...
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He put some stank on it.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 18, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't touch that with a 39 1/2 foot pole!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Larry Ostrowski, a 5 1/2 foot Pole says he wouldn't touch it either.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Words hurt
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 18, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
value of Fukudome
Cubs offer $3M (Silva’s contribution from Seattle) and prospect (AAA or AA pitcher) for Fukudome for pair of A level prospects.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I think this is the value of Fukudome
He would be a fair to good platoon player on a genuine contender and possibly Cubs could send a AAA pitcher as a flyer for the return of some hopes and possibles
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
What contender would pay $10 million for a platoon outfielder?
Marlon Byrd is only being paid half that!
correct but that is addition by subtraction
Could even be a PTBNL, even a Barney or some other player like Thomas.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
No one will agree to pay Kosuke Fukudome $10 million for next season.
So your entire idea makes little sense.
Don't get me wrong, I will send the AAA player to make it work.....
But I am scared because the pitching coming up has looked so good!
What
Could even be a PTBNL, even a Barney or some other player like Thomas.
You would trade 6 years of Darwin Barney to get rid of $10M in salary for next season? That’s asinine. Barney’s value is greater than the savings proposed.
It's especially ridiculous ...
when you consider that IW suggested that a contender would do this. If anything, paying $10 million for Kosuke would make the contender less able to compete in the short term, and Barney’s value is down the road.
That is completely meaningless
Cubs offer $3M (Silva’s contribution from Seattle) and prospect (AAA or AA pitcher) for Fukudome for pair of A level prospects.
Are those good prospects? Bad prospects? OK prospects?
Are all prospects equally valued in your world?
And who would take that deal
for the honor of paying Fukudome $10.5 million next year? The Cubs make your deal without second thoughts but it takes two.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Fukudome for Farve
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
This just in...
The Vikings just announced that they’ve moved their practice facility to the Waffle House.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Wonder if Lee will get in today's game?
I know he’s not starting, but maybe as a pinch-hitter?
Not with a trade on the table
He would be NA then.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Not if a trade is agreed to in principle.
Braves probably don’t want to risk the injury.
by Bill Potter on Aug 18, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou on WGN:
“[Lee]’s starting to do work-related exercises and should be on the field if not tomorrow, then by the next day.”
So he’s not bothered by—or maybe even aware of—the possible trade.
Lou is old
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
LOL
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Aug 18, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I'd read that as him being traded...
He may not be on the field tomorrow – notice it isn’t mentioned whose field – and if not tomorrow, then by the next day when he’s joined his new team.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 18, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
What in the hell is the point of putting Baker in RF?
I’m not one to get upset about lineup construction, but what in the fetch is that good for?
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Look Lou knows exactly what he's doing
when you have won over 1600 games, then you can question him
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
1800
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
1800>1600
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Aug 18, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting the all-RH lineup against the LHP...
That’s my guess. Not that I agree with it (seems like Colvin has hit well enough against LHP).
Also, wins and losses at this point in this lost season may be less irrelevant to the organization than clearing up the roster picture. Maybe Hendry has asked Piniella to showcase Nady, Baker, Fukudome, and others, and thus getting Baker in the lineup against LHP (and keeping Fukudome out of the lineup against LHP) is serving that purpose?
The “best” lineup would probably include Colvin in RF. But perhaps there are ulterior motives here.
the only motive is that the Cubs organization
hates its fans
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
This fan is beginning to reciprocate.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I've already sworn off giving any of my $ to them until they get their shit together.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
give it to me instead!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Do you have your shit together?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I do, thanks to
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Aug 18, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Atlanta come to Chicago this weekend?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
yes
including a 3:10 Fox game on Sat.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 18, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
They'll do like they did with Fontenot...trade him to a team they're playing...saves on airfare.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
oh sure, the Cubs are cheap on airfare
but they’ll shell out crazy money to Grabow.
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
I, for one...
hope Lee goes to Atlanta and just kicks ass the rest of the year and wins a ring.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
and pulls a Mark Grace during the interview on the field afterwards...just for Al.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 18, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He's already got one
and while I respect your position, I couldn’t give two craps what DLee does after he leaves the Cubs.
Sorry, don’t mean to jump on your comment….I just cannot stand this attitude that athletes we like somehow deserve a championship even if they couldn’t give one to our particular rooting interest.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 18, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
More money for caviar
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Aug 18, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't really see the value of Wells' outing last night.
If Al truly is seeing that it means anything by itself after a rollercoaster season I think he’s looking for meaning. It was a great outing for him, but all you know is he is capable after this year.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 18, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions
its a lot of short-term judgment on this site
forget the fact that Wells posted a 3.88 FIP last season and a 3.80 FIP this season, over 50 starts combined at the big league level
its start to start that the decisions are made about how good he is likely to be in the future
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 18, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been surprised by the groundswell to get rid of a 2nd year pitcher
By definition, that is often a season when players struggle as the league has processed what they showed as a rookie and the player has to adapt to continue his success. Wells is going through that. Maybe it will work, maybe it won’t, but this is too early to make a definitive statement that his rookie success was a fluke.
Agreed and I'll also point out...
Wells like many of the starters we have has had either lousy or non-existent run support this year.
No pitcher has ever have a full season where he was never scored on… ever…
Expecting our starters to throw a shut out each game is dumb…
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