And You Thought the Trading Dealine Would Stop the Trade Talk

Jon Heyman put out his list of 31 players that would clear waivers and still could be moved until Aug 31st.

Five Cubs made the list:
Fukudome, Dlee, A. Ramirez, Soriano, and Big Z (He could have added Silva but his injury should keep he out of the discussion).

It's an interesting read. It shows that the Cubs might be able to send a few more parts to folks who are still looking. So let the "I have a trade idea" fan post begin again.

It also proves that Hendry doesn't have an f-ing clue how to negotiate contracts. Sorry but no team should have 16% of all the players in the MLB that can manage to clear waivers. [Climbs off soapbox].

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So Jon Heyman (not Hayman)'s list is the be-all and end-all of cleared waiver lists?

Yes, a lot of Cubs will clear waivers. So will dozens (not only 15) of other teams’ players.

Thanks for using this as another excuse to bash Jim Hendry. It’s getting tiresome.

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by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2010 3:22 PM CDT reply actions

You can bad mouth me all you want but the facts are the facts.

The dude messed up big time with these contracts. Am I grabbing a pitchfork to lead the crowd to tar and feather him? No.

Do I think he sucks as negotiating contract. YES!

Do I want him fired. I’m not sure.

It is shocking how many cubs are on this list. And if you you throw Bradley on this list as well (which was all Hendry…no one and I mean no one was offering Bradley 3/30) then it is clear to see that Hendry is king of the really bad contracts that people won’t take even for free.

It’s just a fact. Sorry for point them out. Maybe I should just start farting rainbows like TJ.

Thanks for the spell check. I’ll change it.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Aug 2, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Ummmmmm

Lee’s contract was good. Ramirez’s contract was good. Zambrano and Fukudome’s were stupid, and Soriano’s was called for to a certain extent by management.

It’s not quite as bad as you’re making it out to be.

by cubsforever on Aug 3, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions

And I should add even Zambrano's made more sense in the economic climate of the time.

Plus teams usually pay extra to keep a homegrown player for life.

by cubsforever on Aug 3, 2010 3:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Ramirez's

contract was ok, but I think the 16 million dollar player option was a terrible idea, regardless of how he played. If he’s playing well, he opts out and we lose him, if he’s playing poorly, he opts in and we’re screwed. Hendry should not have agreed to it.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Aug 3, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions

As opposed to saying "Fire Lou" in every game recap

by shoemile on Aug 3, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions

Also...

… it was made very clear through the discussion of trades here that many Cubs could be dealt in August. In fact, if any Cubs get claimed on waivers, they will probably simply be allowed to go.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 2, 2010 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

wouldn't that

kind of be the ultimate indictment on hendry (with regards to these contracts)?

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 2, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Why?

High priced players are placed on waivers every year. It’s juts that most are pulled back.

One of the best waiver moves ever was the Blue Jays waiver of Randy Myers and the Padres claim for him and his $12MM contract. They only claimed Myers so the Braves wouldn’t get him.

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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 2, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Because it would be an illustration that he overpaid for those players...

If the players are bad such that they aren’t even worth negotiating a trade (simply because you want to get out from under the contract), then it shows that player was overpaid.

But it’s silly to debate this. Everyone knows we have several highly overpaid players. This won’t be an indictment of Hendry anymore than what we already knew.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions

And to clarify..

I don’t think he’s a terrible GM. I think he is just a mediocre GM who was put in a position to spend money during an offseason in which there weren’t a ton of great options. And a few of his deals (Soriano, Lee, Ramirez) look worse (or at least less good) due in large part to some unexpected injuries.

Lee’s wrist injury robbed him of a full season. Otherwise, he was pretty good until this year. Ramirez’s shoulder injury killed his numbers last year, and he was likely hurt this year. Soriano’s leg injuries robbed him of his speed a couple of years earlier than should have been expected.

Some of Hendry’s deals (Byrd, DeRosa, Lilly, Dempster) worked out great. Others (Fukudome, Bradley) didn’t.

by SouthernCub on Aug 2, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions

bingo

if the contracts were so bad that you’d take nothing in return to get out from under them, it would be an indictment that hendry made numerous poor signings

now i dont think any of this is likely to happen because even worse, i dont think anyone would take them off our hands for free

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 2, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions

+1

Bottom line is that when you are able to hand out a menu of several players you’re offering for the low price of nothing, players for whom you paid top dollar, you’re indicting yourself.

Cries of “bashing” Jim Hendry ring hollow when one points out the sheer number of contracts the team would be willing to unload for bupkus. It reminds me of the earlier post lauding Hendry for the achievement of (what amounted to) unloading zero dollars from next year’s payroll, while boasting of how we shouldn’t want anyone else as GM because nobody else could have done that.

I’ve decided to officially support “someone else” to be the next Cubs’ GM, ASAP.

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by The Jade Scorpion on Aug 2, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions

To be fair

I think it’s pretty common for GMs to put most of their roster on waivers, only to pull them back if claimed.

That said, it’s not very common for a GM to be willing to let the majority of the payroll go for nothing if someone claimed them. To me that’s the key part—it’s not that he put them on waivers (that part is common), it’s that he’d be happy if they were all claimed and the Cubs got nothing but dumping their salary.

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by tomas21 on Aug 2, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions

DLee and ARam have both outperformed their contracts

So those two aren’t exactly fair to criticize that they’d clear waivers.

by bdlugz on Aug 2, 2010 3:24 PM CDT reply actions

The same players who weren't traded in July

can now in all likelihood not be traded in August.

by rlpete on Aug 2, 2010 3:37 PM CDT reply actions

Lee has already rejected one trade

So he’s not going.

Zambrano, Fukudome and A-Ram have contracts that would dictate that only a few teams can afford to grab them.

If A-Rod gets hurt and is out of the season, I could see the Yankees going for Ramirez. Other than that, nothing.

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by Worf on Aug 2, 2010 3:50 PM CDT reply actions

Isn't uncondtional release always the extreme option that remains available?

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by Ace Venom on Aug 2, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions

It also proves that Hendry doesn’t have an f-ing clue how to negotiate contracts. Sorry but no team should have 16% of all the players in the MLB that can manage to clear waivers. [Climbs off soapbox].

That soapbox looks pretty flimsy, I’d definitely climb off that while you can.

by Wreckard on Aug 2, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions

Interested trade trivia

with Edwin Jackson being traded to the White Sox, when was the last time a pitcher was traded in a season AFTER he threw a no hitter that same season?

Turns out, it had not happened since the Pirates shipped Cliff “Lefty” Chambers to the St. Louis Cardinals in 1951 only five starts after he threw a 3-0 no-hitter against the Boston Braves.

One of the players that Pirates got from the Cardinals in that deal was Hall of Famer Joe Garagiola.

by azjazzman on Aug 2, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions

In 1991, he was honored by the Baseball Hall of Fame with the Ford Frick Award for outstanding broadcasting accomplishments. He has also been given his own star on the St. Louis Walk of Fame.

He is not in, merely honored with the same award as Jon Miller.

by Steven Schweickert on Aug 3, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions