Deja Vu, Almost: Marmol Shaky, But Saves Cubs And Gorzelanny's 5-4 Win
Didn't we see this game yesterday?
It wasn't precisely the same -- the Cubs originally had more than a one-run lead, they actually led 5-0 -- but there was a late-inning Atlanta comeback on an extra-base hit by a lefthanded hitter.
This time, Carlos Marmol came into the game and did what he should have yesterday -- ditched the slider and relied more on his fastball, and posted his 22nd save in a 5-4 win over the Braves.
The win broke an eight-game home losing streak and "raised" the Cubs' record in one-run games to 15-30, but not after Andrew Cashner's wildness and a mental mistake by Starlin Castro turned a 5-1 game into 5-4. Castro was charged with an error on a relay throw from Marlon Byrd that allowed David Ross to score the Braves' fourth run. It appeared that Castro took his eye off the play just long enough for the ball to get away from him; Ross should have stayed at third.
All, however, ended well when Marmol got a lazy fly ball and then struck out Alex Gonzalez and Brian McCann after walking Derrek Lee to lead off the ninth inning.
Tom Gorzelanny struggled through the first couple of innings, issuing a pair of walks and not really having his command, but settled down and wound up with seven innings pitched allowing only one run and striking out nine. He evened his W-L record at 7-7 and lowered his ERA to 3.70. He is, essentially, back to the same pitcher he was with the Pirates in 2007, when he won 14 games with a 3.88 ERA and 1.39 WHIP. At age 27, he should be a solid, cost-controlled part of the rotation next year.
Maybe not so much for Andrew Cashner. He still doesn't command his pitches well and though he throws hard, he doesn't have a lot of movement on that fastball. Thus, he's either going to have to work on that if he wants to be a good major league starting pitcher, or his future is going to be in the bullpen.
Aramis Ramirez had three hits today and should have had four; a slow ground ball that Martin Prado couldn't quite field was ruled an error, a tough error on Prado. A-Ram scored twice and drove in a pair; Tyler Colvin also had two hits in his first start in what seems like forever, and Kosuke Fukudome continues to drive up his trade value. Kosuke had two hits, a walk and a stolen base; he's hitting .324 over his last ten games with four walks and four RBI. George Ofman on WGN's postgame show suggested that if he keeps this up -- and I'd keep him leading off the rest of the year -- maybe some team would take a shot at him as their leadoff man next year (even if the Cubs have to eat half the contract).
The large crowd of 41,099 was actually pretty close to that in the house; given the nice day and the waning days of summer, many people chose to come out to the ballpark. There were a fair number of Braves fans and standing room seemed fairly full, as well. Derrek Lee got another warm round of applause for his first at-bat, though not as loud as yesterday, likely from people who weren't at Friday's game. I would expect the same tomorrow... but the Braves are now finding out what we've seen all year. Lee is 0-for-7 with three K's and two walks in the two games, and he may not be the middle-of-the-order hitter they were looking for.
Believe it or not, the Cubs can win a home series for the first time in four weeks (since the Cardinals were in town) tomorrow. None of this "get a better draft pick" nonsense. Win games. Hope they can take it behind Randy Wells. And... go Bears tonight!
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First to be first!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
A-Rod to the DL
could that lead to Rami in pinstripes joining Wood? No rumors I am aware of, jsut a question
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
No.
He’s still got that option that vests if he gets traded.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
didnt think bout that
good call Al
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
YES!!! Start of a 49 game winning streak!!!
Great game pitched by Gorzo. I’m gonna say this again, the Cubs have one of the best rotations in the league.
by braziliancubsfan on Aug 21, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
No team will pay Kosuke Fukudome $7 million.
George Offman is wrong. The Cubs will have to pay at least $10 million to get rid of Kosuke.
Marlon Byrd is making $5 million.
Gorzo
did look sharp against a hot team.
Cashner needs to develop movement on his heat. I still think he will be a solid pitcher for the Cubs, and it should be in the rotation.
I would love to the see the Cubs sign Dunn or Huff, and have a infield of Ramy, Castro, Dewitt with one of the two. Not bad at all.
This team isn't far away from contending again. Just a few more guys to fill in the hole, and we'd be contenders again
by braziliancubsfan on Aug 21, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a W for all purposes
gotta put a new manager in the mix . Looking forward to 2011 just like you are .
Enjoy the victories
Their rarity makes them more valuable.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
One thing I had an issue with.
Was that phantom HBP from Marshall to Jason Heyward. McCarver was acting as if it nailed Heyward full-on, but it looked on TV as if Heyward acted and the umpire bought it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2010 7:23 PM CDT reply actions
It looked so phantom...
… that at first I thought they might have called catcher’s interference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
McCarver said about once or twice per second that it obviously hit Heyward.
Not sure what he was looking at. Using the same replays, I couldn’t see any change in the course of the ball after it went by Heyward’s hand.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought the batter had to make an effort to avoid being hit
but apparently, the rule is: you can’t get HPB on the hand if you’re swinging, but can on a checked swing? The home plate ump checked with the third base ump as to whether it was a “swing” before ruling HPB.
They cut away from the slow-mo replay real fast when it looked like the ball missed him
It sure looked like the path of the ball was above his had all the way and it didn’t change direction.
I also have a problem with it because Heyward’s hand was over the plate. That’s the pitcher’s territory. If you are hanging over the plate and get hit, it should be a foul ball strike.
Boy, I bet this guy feels foolish now...

My cousin in Pittsburgh alerted me to this photo in today’s edition of their local paper. They were lamenting the fact that the Bucs had just clinched their 18th straight losing season. Guess they thought a Cubs-flavored photo would help share the pain – you know the old saying, misery loves company…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
In that case,
Shouldn’t they have selected a picture of an Astros fan or a Brewers fan?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Or a Diamondbacks fan?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
or an O's fan?
"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Aug 22, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions
But the Diamondbacks might set the record for strikeouts! And their bullpen is terrible!
Apparently this makes their failures okay!
Draft position
Is an interesting sidebar I don’t really root for them to lose, but wonder what the diff might be between say, 3rd and 6th position? I sure hope the land a great pitcher, our rotation has been exposed the second half as needing rebuilding as much as the offense and bullpen. Gorzo and Demp are the only sure things for 2011.
you're being pretty Old Testament today, aren't you?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
if the cubs cant have nice shiny things
the nationals shouldnt, either
by jesus christos on Aug 21, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course not.
Remember, Lou Piniella is the manager.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 21, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I thought DeLee would struggle against the Cubs
It’s been 6-7 years since he’s faced Dempster, probably a while since he’s faced Gorzo and he’s never faced Marmol. it’s almost impossible to hit Marmol – you either strike out, take a walk or get HBP.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I thought he would struggle, but mainly because he's struggled all season
he’s a shell of what he was.
by HuskerCorner on Aug 21, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The truth about Cashner
this year is that he has been terrible. However, I know he is young and could certainly improve a lot. It’s all about command of his pitches; he either misses by a mile or grooves it right down the pipe. Guess he is learning that major league hitters hit 98 mph belt high fastballs down the middle of the plate very hard and with regularity. Maybe he should watch some old video of Maddux and Glavine working their magic.
Marmol is just starting to aggravate me. Reminding me more and more of Mitch Williams every day.
I hope Cashner isn't the 2nd coming of Kyle Farnsworth
He can really bring it but ML hitters will time his heat and turn those fastballs around if he can’t get it to move/change speeds or if he doesn’t come up with a nice off speed pitch to make the fastball more explosive.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Just needs
some development. I think he will be fine. Now if we are talking about him like this in 2012, then we have a problem.
I hope so
I saw him here when the Cubs completed the 3 game sweep of the D Backs and liked what I saw. Since then he hasn’t been as good. Maybe having him as a starter again will help. You can’t teach velocity, but the coaches and Maddux should be able to teach him how to pitch. If they can, this kid’s gonna be gold.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
I think his being with the Cubs may have run its course for now
He clearly has stuff to work on. In the NL, that means that he either won’t get used much or will get hit hard when he is. He would be better served now by being in the minors.
I'll take the win.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
The Trib says Soto is coming back on Sunday.....
Its been Fun Beef!
Maybe they pull a shocker and release Hill to keep lou from playing him anymore.
Wait, what am I thinking…..This will never happen!
Cashner
Maybe the Cubs can package Cashner in with Zambrano or Fukudome in the offseason to get more cash for them.
No thanks
I’ll take my chances that Cashner develops into a very solid ML pitcher rather than sell low on him in a salary dump deal.
by Dcr18 on Aug 21, 2010 9:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
But perhaps someone like Randy Wells could be packaged.
I think any team willing to take a shot at Zambrano would like Wells, a stable 4-5 starter that’s durable, can rack up innings, is under 30, and doesn’t cost much. He could possibly make taking Zambrano somewhat more attractive.
by Dcr18 on Aug 21, 2010 10:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
And then you have Shark in the starting rotation....
Um, no.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 7:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Dempster
Silva
Gorz
Archer?
Jay Jackson?
And the Shark has actually pitched very well in Iowa, so he may deserve a shot. There is also a chance they bring in a FA too. I don’t believe they would package Wells, but I just think it would be something that would help.
by Dcr18 on Aug 22, 2010 8:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That rotation has 68 wins written all over it.
Shark will never be a quality big league pitcher. Never.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa is Iowa.
Chicago is Chicago.
I’m still not sold on the Shark, sorry.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm just glad that despite the fact that we know what Colvin brings to the table that Lou still started him
I know it must have been a very tough decision to do so.
I’m less thankful that despite knowing what Koyie HIll brings to the table, Lou continues to start him.
Tomorrow will bring a new game and another chance to evaluate Hill, Nady, Soriano, and Dome!
Thank goodness, because we have no idea what they can do!
The Cubs suck this year, but oh how I still and always will love them
Great ballgame and WIN today :)
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Aug 22, 2010 12:10 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
On another positive note...
Justin Bour had a career night for Single-A Peoria, going 3-for-5 with a double, a grand slam, and seven RBIs. He also leads the team in home runs (12), doubles (24), and RBIs (78). Think he’s trying to tell Jim Hendry something?
by Cubs Fan Report on Aug 22, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions

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