Lou Piniella Retires, Finishing 2010 With 16-5 Loss Bookends
by Al Yellon on Aug 22, 2010 5:06 PM CDT
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PrintOn September 4, 1964, Lou Piniella -- having just turned 21 years old -- made his major league debut for the Baltimore Orioles in an otherwise nondescript 7-1 loss to the Angels. The Orioles were in first place at the time; they wound up finishing third, two games out of first place.
And Lou, just recalled from Baltimore's team in the old Northern League (a different league than the current incarnation), pinch-hit for Hall of Famer Robin Roberts and grounded out.
Forty-six years later, Lou retires from baseball as the 14th winningest manager in major league history with 1835 wins, a World Series title as a manager, two rings as a player, and an American League Rookie of the Year award (with the Royals in 1969). With the Cubs, Lou finishes eighth among all North Side managers with 316 wins (six fewer than Dusty Baker), and with the highest winning percentage (.519, tied with Jim Frey) of any Cubs manager since Charlie Grimm last managed in 1960.
Lou didn't win here, and I and others have criticized many of his lineup selections, strategic choices and bullpen use. But he is the most successful Cubs manager in my lifetime, with two straight division titles and three straight winning years; he was unable to leave us with the championship we so long for.
An emotional Lou held his final postgame press conference and was moved to tears, thanking everyone in the organization and Cubs fans for his almost four years at the helm. He again mentioned, as he has done before, that he didn't quite realize what he was getting into when he came here, having never been in the Cubs organization nor played in Chicago except as a visiting player. He implied that his successor will need such experience -- again, a strong hint that Ryne Sandberg will be the guy.
For those of you who criticized Lou for leaving this way in previous threads today, shame on you. In his pre-game remarks, Lou said:
"Didn’t think my career would end this way but, you know, my mom needs me home. She hasn’t gotten any better since I’ve been here. She’s had a couple other complications, and rather than continue to go home, come back…it’s not fair to the team, it’s not fair to the players. So the best thing is just to step down and go home and take care of my mother. That’s basically it. I’ve enjoyed it here. In four wonderful years I’ve made a lot of friends and had some success here – this year has been a little bit of a struggle. But, look. Family is important, it comes first. My mom needs me home and that’s where I’m going. I thought that I could finish out the season. I thought at that time that we could still win a division. It hasn’t worked out that way. At the same, time my mother’s health came into the equation and things have changed. But, no, I didn’t think that going home in, when was it? July. It’s only been a month. A month ago. A lot of things have changed in a month."
Lou's a human being. His uncle passed away, a man who was like a father to him. Now his mother is quite ill, though I understand she rallied a bit when Lou told her he was coming home tomorrow to stay. What if she had died before the season ended and Lou hadn't been there with her? He has absolutely made the right decision. I think at times people forget that these are human beings with real lives outside of baseball who we watch play every day. They are more than numbers on a spreadsheet or managers we complain about.
Third base coach Mike Quade will take over for the rest of the season; he has been told that he will be considered for the fulltime job next year. Speculation on my part: Alan Trammell may have been offered this slot first, but when told (as has been reported) that he would NOT be considered for 2011, he may have turned the interim slot down.
Further speculation: Quade is getting six weeks' major league managing experience, with quite a few games against contending teams. If Ryne Sandberg is in fact hired as manager, Quade would perhaps get strong consideration to be his bench coach. Both Sandberg and Quade have managed in the organization for many years; Quade managed at Iowa from 2003-2007, when he became the major league third base coach. I'll have a longer post about Quade tomorrow morning.
The Cubs lost to the Braves 16-5 this afternoon on a gorgeous late-summer afternoon at Wrigley Field; oddly enough, that's the same score and opponent as this year's Opening Day game in Atlanta. There isn't much to say about the game itself, only that the coincidental team and score seem a fitting bookend on Lou Piniella's final season as Cubs manager; it also was a nice scene to honor both Lou and Braves manager Bobby Cox in his final game at Wrigley in a small ceremony at home plate before the game.
We move on. Lou moves on. Best to Lou and his family.
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Best to Lou and his family too
To bad this team…..sent him off the way they did, with a 16-5 blowout
by braziliancubsfan on Aug 22, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
And dtpollitt-free, too, if possible.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I read those comments.
This word isn’t too strong to describe them: “despicable”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Disgusting is more like it.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Did you see the game thread link I sent you?
And I agree with you and eths.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have any links from you.
If anyone would like to send me specific links to comments that were troublesome, please do, I will check them out later.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'll give Dan a pass because I get what he was trying to say...
…he was just saying it in a most awkward manner and at the most inappropriate time. HuskerCorner on the other hand, was intentional malice.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I didn't get it.
Either my bad, or it was done in a manner where most people wouldn’t “get” it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad nobody ever warned Lou this season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 22, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Warned?
I don’t really understand that. Maybe Husker made his comments in bad taste, but I get what dpollit was saying…
I’ll choose my words carefully here: I understand Lou’s situation and I don’t blame him for walking away. But I think we were all in agreement that he had quit on this team a long time ago. Al—you’ve been ragging on him all season, calling for him to get fired/retired. It’s like you and everyone else has taken a 180. The illness of his mother certainly makes Lou’s case understandable and sympathetic, but it’s not like we can’t be upset with the way he handled this season, family matters aside.
So let’s all be respectful of Lou’s personal issues right now…but don’t let it affect the way you evaluate him as a manager this season.
by mic on Aug 22, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But...
the point of the warnings was that they just showed a complete lack of respect for Lou and his situation. No, we haven’t been happy with Lou all the time this year, but today made us realize that the man is still just a human being. He worked his tail off for 4 years here at one of the toughest baseball jobs around the league. For people to lash out at Lou like they did today was uncalled for. That’s what everyone (including myself) had such a problem with today.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Aug 22, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly.
I am not a fan of Lou, but I also know that if it’s a choice between baseball and family, family should always come first.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks VCF!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh...I get it...
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
OK-- I can maybe understand the warnings.
I guess I didn’t go through and read a whole lot of it.
I think a whole lot of people on here are concerned about saying the “right” thing—which isn’t wrong, but why does it always have to take a sickness or death to make us realize that? I guess we are only human.
The comments about Lou between last week and today are like night and day. He was called an “idiot” and just about every other name. Then he’s hailed today by the same people.
He was called an idiot a week ago for his managerial decisions.
He was called an idiot today (by some) for retiring the way he did.
Big difference.
He was hailed today for his overall managerial record and for having his priorities straight.
Big difference.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Aug 22, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Agree a big difference.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
That's well said.
I commend Lou for having his priorities straight and for closing the door now. His press conference really made me realize it. Family takes a priority over baseball (as said below).
With that said, I don’t know if it’s as big a difference as you make it out to seem—and I’m talking “baseball” with “family” aside. People who both called him an idiot as a baseball man last week and praised him as a baseball man this week have it wrong. You can respect Lou’s decision without having to act like his greatest supporter. I think we can have respectful discourse about this as long as we keep “baseball Lou” and “family Lou” mutually exclusive.
Right, but you somewhat missed what I was saying with part of this.
I think (and you may disagree, which is fine because we are having a discussion, lol) that people hailed him today for his overall track record as a manager and as a baseball man. He may have not made the smartest decisions in 2010. But OVERALL, he has been a great manager. That’s what, I think, the main argument was today.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
That's fair.
But if we are going to praise his managerial record, maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to call him an “idiot.”
For the record, never have I called the man an idiot.
Just making that clear
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Noted.
And I don’t mean to generalize—it’s not everybody.
Hey we're just having a conversation.
It’s all good.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I know it. It's good.
I’m in no way pissed off or anything. I guess I’m just a little bit different than most people. I just don’t get nostalgic over a retirement announcement. Maybe I’m not old enough.
In 35, 40 years, are people going to remember..
a washed-up outfielder holding his hands up as his skills just won’t get it done anymore?
Or the greatest living ballplayer?
Yeah, it was a bad year. But today was a day for remembering a great career. The spitball tossers have until next April to criticize how Lou didn’t play Colvin enough.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly
Very few are able to go out on top. Thank them for their contributions and accept nothing lasts forever.
not saying it is why
but there is an outside chance that Colvin was best used how Lou did and if he started daily as many want he would not succeed, but then those who want to blame would say it is Lous fault for over using him
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I would rec this over and over again if I could.
Well done.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
and i will make it green
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"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Well said mike.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
There's a time and place
Within hours of hearing a headline before you actually hear it from the man himself is not it.
Especially since Dan changed what he was saying after hearing Lou’s words for himself.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I'm not going to go into any sort of full ramble here...
…because last time I did that I made a jackass of myself. However, I will say that it has been hard to remember the good Lou times when there’s been so many bad Lou times lately. Those 2007 and 2008 teams—could they have won division titles with any manager? I dunno. I do know he’s been the most successful manager in my short time here on Earth, but that bar’s set pretty low. I do know that Lou dealt with a lot of shit during his tenure—and it clearly aged him. Look at pictures from day one of his time here, and today. He doesn’t even look like the same man! It’s somewhat convenient that many had no problem standing up against the man and calling him out last and this year, but today there’s very few that have anything but niceties to say about the man. It’s real easy to think the mantra “What have you done for me lately?” (and that goes for both the good and bad with Lou!), but this is one case methinks will value from a bit of time and perspective to fully evaluate his place in Cubs lore.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 22, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Another comment that should be green.
Rec’d.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said.
There will come a time to fully examine Lou as a manager, but I don’t think its today.
Theres a reason they wait 5 years to vote on HOF, if only more things in life could be allowed to breathe like that.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forever I hope.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Well said, Al.
What if she had died before the season ended and Lou hadn’t been there with her? He has absolutely made the right decision. I think at times people forget that these are human beings with real lives outside of baseball who we watch play every day. They are more than numbers on a spreadsheet or managers we complain about.
So true.
I could not believe some of the things I was seeing at BCB today.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
good grief...
the anger is over the fact that if his mother is in such poor health he should have just retired when he announced it WEEKS ago. What did he stand to gain by stringing this out? I’m not saying “too bad your mom is sick”..come one man, nobody is saying that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 22, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is there any anger at all?
Maybe Lou didn’t want to quit, but his mother got worse over the past few weeks. We don’t know what his reasons are. He cared a lot about this organization (as you could tell after the game) but he felt he needed to leave now to take care of something else he cares about, his mom. Doesn’t make him a quitter – makes him a man.
Some of the crap that was said on the game thread was totally classless and inappropriate.
by bergs55 on Aug 22, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not only that,
But he tried to stay with the Cubs for as long as he could. I’m surprised he made it this long, given the steadily worsening health of his mother.
You could tell in the last few weeks he was thinking about her, and that in no way reflects poorly on him.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't really referring to your comments there.
It was more some of the things HuskerCorner posted in the other thread.
Didn’t mean you at all.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Goodbye Lou and all the best in the next days and weeks. I hope your mother does better.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
:(
Next year’s Cubs team is going to have a completely new face. Since 2005, I can only think of three players off the top of my head that have remained: Zambrano, Dempster, and Ramirez. It’s just hard to believe that Lee, Theriot, Lilly, and now Piniella are gone. These players and manager mean’t a lot to this organization, and it’s the beginning of a new era in Cubs baseball I believe.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Fair winds and calm seas to Lou Piniella...
I agree with you, Al…best manager of my lifetime, to date, as well. On a lighter note…ESPN had a clip of Lou classics…and it was just that…CLASSIC.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Thank you, Sweet Lou
I’ve followed your baseball career my whole life. We’ll miss you.
I think I’ll miss you most of all, Scarecrow.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Farewell Lou
I think that you did your best, and I think that it was pretty good. I wish you well in the future, and some more quality time with your mother and family.
I hope that I get a chance to sit down and have a beer with you some day.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
You know...
…. I bet that would be a lot of fun to do. He’s got a lifetime of baseball stories to tell. I’d love to hear some.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ah...
thanks for the memories…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Aug 22, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for calling out those who need to be called out, Al
I was ashamed to be associated with those people as Cub fans reading some of the things they said about Lou.
Lou brought so many memories to us fans and the organization the last four years. 3 consecutive winning seasons that included 2 unforgettable playoff teams? Priceless. I would not trade Lou’s years for anything (and don’t respond with something like “what about a WS title”…..you know what I mean).
It brought tears to my eyes when I saw Lou’s post-game conference. The guy is very stressed and he worked his butt off. But he absolutely made the right decision to step down.
Thanks, Lou, for everything. I’m certainly going to miss him a lot.
Having said that, now, we turn the page. Time to look toward the future. I think Hendry will go after Girardi, but I’d like to see the “Mr. Cub” of the last 27 years in there to manage, Ryne Sandberg.
Best of luck, Lou.
Go Cubs.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Aug 22, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 19 recs
Turn this green.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can support this request
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
The same Dusty bashers and look who has the last laugh.
No manager can win without players. Dusty didn’t have them his last year and neither did Lou. We had good years with both. I just hope the next manager takes it one step further.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Aug 22, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ditto
I just happened to turn the game on in the 9th inning to hear that Lou was retiring. I also had tears in my eyes when I watched his last post game wrap up.
Most of us thought that a WS was in the Cubs future when things got rolling in 2007 and especially in 2008. Alas, it never came to pass.
To be fair, Lou mishandled the team at times the last 2 seasons, but as we have all seen, the Cubs didn’t have the horses for the most part and key players were hurt or regressed or both.
I have enjoyed the Pinella years, and look forward to a fresh face on the 2011 Cubs next March at HoHoKam.
Farewell Lou! Prayers to you and your Mom.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Well said Big John, I'll see you in Mesa.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
i have nothing to add
besides my rec
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Lou...
Has had the best 3-4 years of any Cubs manager in my lifetime. This is what should be remembered. Overall, he didn’t do a bad job. I wish him and his family the best.
Thanks, Lou!
Moving on… I believe it’s lame that everyone except Alan Trammell will have a chance for being next years manager. I know this statement isn’t 100% true… but I wonder if Alan is feeling like this. Its kinda lame to just rule him out, even if he wasn’t a contender. IMO
It has to be lip service they are paying Quade.
This organization has to already have their sights on someone and Quade certainly isn’t it.
As I said...
… maybe Quade will be getting experience for the next manager’s coaching staff.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Remember Quade and Randy Bush were teammates in college.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
If you look at the body of work
with 3 winning seasons in a row, two division titiles and those 97 wins, you have to say he changed the culture and expectations of the Chicago Cubs. Every manager is scrutinized but many of never know why that move is made because only the manager is privy to some of the information not shared with media.
I would say the Cubs are better off having Pinella as a manager. Congrats on a great career.
Quade, after watching him in Des Moines he knows baseball and is a good guy. What may hinder him is his ability to communicate to the press. I will be anxious to see if he is a little more dynamic than what I remember.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Agreed 1,000% on the culture of winning and expectations
Which is part of why this season has been so disappointing. We’ll know shortly who the F/T manager will be, the off-season will bring plenty of hot stove talk and roster moves. It’s just been such a horrible season that it’s weird to think how quickly 2010 got away from the Cubs. Lotsa changes coming up and hopefully a competitive team to watch next year…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Good Luck Lou
The press conference was tough to watch. Feel for the guy. I did not agree the way he managed this year, but he surely wanted nothing more than to win a championship here in Chicago.
Three winning seasons in a row, two divisional titles, well done Lou.
Best to you and your Mother.
Will Lou get paid for the rest of the season?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I like Sandberg, but frankly, I don't think he can handle the pressure of being a Cubs icon and winning a WS.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I have to disagree
Sandberg knows what this is about. He’s as qualified as a successful veteran manager to lead this team because he knows the pressure that comes with being a cub.
See this is why I think that Ryno WILL be a good manager for the Cubs...
the guy played 14 seasons (correct me if I’m wrong) for the Cubs…he knows what this is all about.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Absolutely correct.
The Cubs haven’t had a manager who played for them (except briefly) in decades.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Let's hope Ryno has the same success as Frank Chance did.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 22, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure he will. I don't see them corraling Girardi or giving Bob the job.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
You'll get no complaint out of me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I like Ryno too, but...
I’m afraid the Cubs may Trammell -ize him. Alan Trammell was the man in Detroit-like Ryno was here. The fan’s choice as manager for the Tigers. But after three seasons at the helm (186-300; .383 winning percentage), he was gone.
I think everyone who wants Ryno thinks that he will come in and turn this franchise around and start the championship run. If the Cubs don’t get players that can handle playing baseball the right way, or the organization doesn’t figure out what type of team is best suited for Wrigley Field. I’m afraid that the ones who are currently crying out to have Ryno save them and the organization, will be the first ones crying: ‘get rid of him’; ‘why did they hire him’ or ‘why did they get a guy with no MLB managerial experience’. This isn’t the same old team that we grew-up with, and the fan base isn’t the same old fan base, either.
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by dansram on Aug 22, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well said.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah - ultimately the 2010 record falls on the roster
I am among those who have criticized Piniella for lineups or changes this year but the honest truth is that a manager only makes a few games’ difference in a W/L record. There is no way Lou kept this team from reaching .500, let alone contending.
I'm not saying there won't be pressure there..
but Ryno was the one who asked for a chance, and who rode buses in A league to work his way up to where he’d be considered. I think he’d be the first to say that if he went 186-300 and had a three year shot at it, he’d say he had a fair shot at it. (And there’s no reason to think the team shouldn’t have the resources to field a respectable team over the next three years, even with the Soriano and Zambrano contracts.)
If anyone in a position to get the job knows what the Wrigley experience and aura entails, it’s Sandberg. All he’s done is everything asked of him, and the record of winning and getting prospects to the big club says he’s done it well. Give the man a chance, that’s all he’d ask.
(And Denis Savard seems to have done well despite getting fired as Hawks coach.)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Slight difference
The Tigers team Trammell inherited was loads worse than the 2011 Cubs will be even if they do nothing in free agency.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Aug 22, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Sandberg > Trammell
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Aug 23, 2010 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This has occurred to me, too
Rec’d
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
To the fans and readers of this site:
I apologize for my comments.
My last straw for this horrific season came today. Without knowing the full story I went off and said thigns I regret. I am sorry. After watching Lou’s post-game interview it’s clear to me that (1) he made the right decision and (2) if it was my mother, I surely would have done the same thing, if not sooner. I may disagree with everything about this season: the players, the coach, etc., but it’s no rationale or mature to think Lou’s decision was anything but heartfelt and difficult. I am sorry and hope we can be faithful readers and participants of BCB again.
Sincerely,
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 22, 2010 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
welcome back, Dan
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
and rec'd
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Apology accepted.
Now go fetch me some soup. Chicken with those little rice star thingees…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
you like the stars better than the alphabets?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
no problem, we're good
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Dan...
Again though…. I didn’t think what you said was nearly as bad as what others said.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I only read the one comment not sure if there were more
But I can give someone whose been on BCB, as long as he has a little more rope. But also nice to see someone actually apologize. :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Bygones shall be bygones - Well done and thank you
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
You're still cool
I do enjoy reading your posts though………..except for the earlier one. Tho yours was not nearly as crass as some of the others.
Rec'd, Dan.
No hard feelings whatsoever, at least not from me. :)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
and this is why I respect you Dan
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
I didn't find your comments offensive
and didn’t complain about them either.
But damn, are you cool for apologizing nonetheless.
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!!!
GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Aug 22, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
i didnt find his out of line
i did disagree, and made my point, but dan is a person you can actually hold a conversation with if you disagree. i have never had a problem with him about that
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Maybe this is just my experience,
But if I disagree with Dan, it almost always results in a thread fight. And he’s taken comments I’ve said out of context and assumed I’m saying something different, and I’ve done the same with his.
This is very unfortunate. I really do wish Dan and I could agree more, or have nice disagreements, but it can sometimes get hard when both of us are guilty of taking the other person’s comments out of context.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Such as,
When I disagree with him (and it happens quite a bit) he often says “This is a stupid idea” or “What a stupid post.”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd let it go, VCF.
You might be right, but instead of putting yourself in a situation where you might get into discussions like that with him, why not just not talk to him if he bugs you?
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Believe me, I've tried.
He just ignores it if that happens.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
See all those people above who've let it go?
If you don’t want to, then ,perhaps, the problem doesn’t lie with the ‘other’ guy.
just sayin’
WWOZ.org - New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Station
by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 22, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me repeat my words.
I admitted in a previous comment in this thread that I’m not the good guy either.
Just sayin’
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
WWOZ.org - New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Station
by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 22, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
And dtpollitt,
If you’re reading this, let me say I am very sorry for taking your words out of context so often. It’s just that how you word things often confuses me, and this is what leads to so many arguments between you and me.
Sorry again. I hope you and I can have many nice chats on BCB in the future.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice try.
I see the sarcasm font there.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
;-)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what we're talking about here.
I’m trying to sincerely apologize. I f-ed up, I said I’m sorry, and I’d rather have the so-called internet friendships of BCBers and swallow my pride than worry about being right, because I wasn’t. I don’t know what else you want? Stop picking out or writing things that allude to you trying to protect yourself from me? I’m just a normal guy on a Cubs site that likes to talk about the team. I’m not going to attack a poster, if that’s what you’re afraid of. I’ll argue an idea or post until it’s dead and make fun of silly or asinine ideas, absolutely, but I don’t think I spend a whole lot of time complaining about others. I don’t know what else you would like me to do to try to wipe the slate clean? I’m sorry about that. And now I’m done apologizing.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Aug 22, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don;t have to apologize anymore.
I’m the one who should. Page down, you’ll see it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living. ~Alvin Dark
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Thanks everyone for the kind words.
Onward!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You're welcome.
I hope you saw my apology to you in this thread. I’ve given you a bad rap, for no reason at all.
Sorry again.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Just me
or has that show NOT aged well at all?
80% of the issues they had could be solved with a cell phone.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Not just you
Of course, I wasn’t a big fan even when it was new.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I liked it
But now the old episodes of which movie should we go to…. just not funny in the right way anymore.
Instead of being actually amusing, its sorta sad. “Pull up google and search for the one you want”…
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
...
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.... It would appear that Lou was Ted before Ted was Ted...
That’s Fisk on the receiving end.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Ted was Ted before Ted was Ted.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
But is Ted still Ted now that Ted is not CubTed?
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Ted is still CubTed, because Ted can be whatever sort of Ted that said Ted desires.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
Bob & Ted & Lou & Ryno?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, my!
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
...
(For the kiddies who don’t remember VHS and other antiquated things…)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hesitate to bring up my silent Super-8 projector...
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Blackhawk Films..
A 15-minute version of W.C. Fields in “The Bank Dick”.. IN YOUR OWN HOME!! Magic to a young teen before anyone ever heard of a Commodore 64.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember how excited I was when my Dad brought home the Super 8, sound-free Star Wars reel that consisted solely of the escape from Tatooine battle. I must have watched it 100 times that day. We’re so spoiled in this day and age.
Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!
your movie reference is probably lost on these young pups here but iswydt
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Hey, Wizard of Oz is pretty old. :)
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
but Ted was Lou before Lou was Ted
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Wait, what?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
"Sorry Ted, but you've just been traded to KABC."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
LOL
My favorite Lou and Ted pairing.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I miss Ted :(
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Well Al got his wish. He wanted Lou gone and he is gone.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
I doubt that this was the manner in which he would've liked to have him leave.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
You are correct.
Given what’s happened, I’m sorry that it had to end this way. I wish him and his family nothing but the best.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i am sure Doggie Stalker would agree
that this is not how she wanted to see Lou go, and I think she was the biggest anti Lou poster since the season began
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
maybe ever
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure these circumstances was what he had in mind.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
We can all sit here
and discuss baseball decisions ( Lou’s decisions) and agree to disagree, however when family comes into play, Baseball comes in at a distant second.
by Grockcubs on Aug 22, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think this is what Al "wanted"....
No one with a soul wants anyone to end a fantastic career like this.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Absolutely correct, again.
As I said above, I hope for nothing but the best for Lou and his family. I’m sorry his Cubs tenure ended this way and I wish him well.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I can't honestly believe anyone who wanted Lou gone would hope it would end this way.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey...just to break the monotony of what transpired today...
did anyone else channel surf between Cubs and Sox and see Joe West bend the Sox over again today. I thought Hawk was gonna dive out of the booth. It was hilarious at the end. Crying and whining at his best.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Meh....I just don't care about the White Sox or anyone affiliated with them.
Sorry.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I know...me either...it was just appropriate...loved it.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Yea I know. I see where you are coming from. I certainly don't want them to win.
But I’m more focused on Lou right now than caring about what the Sox do.
But thanks for the update though. Nothing like loses to KC
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
rofl good
put those Sox fans in line instead of them being all big stuff just because their team has a better record
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
I did not.
HOWEVER, as much as I HATE Stone and Hawk, Joe West is a pretentious jerk and he probably deserved the criticism.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
I have no ill will towards White Sox
But Hawk and Stone I won’t like who ever they broadcasted for. Joe West, when he retires it will be a few years to late as far as I’m concerned
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It was something like....
…“We knew coming in we were going to get 2 calls against us and now that makes it 4”.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hawk
I can’t believe how much Sox fans make fun of Santo and they have Hawk in the booth.
But to his credit apparently Hawk had some very nice things to say when they mentioned Pinella’s announcement during the game.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 22, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
As someone who doesn't get any of the Chicago baseball games,
It would be interesting to hear what Hawk said. Does anyone know?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Land of Denial.
Come on, you have to admit that was funny, ‘I was watching the Sox game today…but I don’t care about the Sox.’
Why are you guys so worried about watching both teams, whether it’s once in a while or regularly?
I’d like to hear the arm-chair psychologists comment on this interesting pattern of some Cubs fans.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
wow you arrive when called?
Does someone email you or do you just check daily for White Sox?
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw the beacon.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
I sometimes end up watching
Sox games because a) they’re in a race b) i love ozzie c) they’re on.
I imagine most have reasons similar. I like sports. If theres a game on, I probalby turn it on at some point. Especially if my choices are slim otherwise.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
That's perfectly reasonable
As you’ve said (and as I mentioned in my profile) I think it’s natural for Chicago baseball fans to watch both teams, even if you’re primarily a fan of one.
But don’t you think this perpetual self-denial is funny?
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Sometimes
But I feel no rivilary with the Sox. I’m more than a little jealous b/c they’ve seen what I want, a championship season.
:shrug:
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Allie
I think part of it is that we aren’t in/from the Chicago land area.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
born and raised
on nothing but chicago tv. I may not live in city limits but my town is full divided of sox/cubs and full of bears fans.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
true
do the majority feel that way? The handful I know are from northern IN, & die hard White Sox fans, but harbor no ill will towards the Cubs & says most part his Cub fan co workers are similar.
Small sample size I realize. :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
although I realize a couple families
and a northern IN post office like I said is small sample size :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Some
It gets a bit strained during the crosstown games. But on the whole, most people are jokey or blah about a “rivalry”.
Course, I don’t hang out with a lot of meatheads so who knows? :-P
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I wasn’t born in Chicago – I moved there in large part because of the allure of Wrigley Field. Thus, I didn’t carry the innate hatred of the White Sox that you born and bred Cubs fans carried. It took Hawk Harrelson to instill that in me.
Eliminate that pesky Dominatrix in one easy step. Step 1: Tell her you're a Cubs fan!
Funny thing, though.
30 years ago, that “innate hatred” did not exist. Fans of each team tolerated the other, with a few minor exceptions. There wasn’t any “Cubs suck” or “Sox suck” reflexive action.
I think it started when the Cubs took Harry away from the Sox — Sox fans really hated that — and the division titles the teams started winning created more polarization.
There may be other factors, but that’s the beginning of it, the way I see it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know about 30 years ago
But I remember BS’ing with some Sox fans in ‘84 – we were tossing a ball around somebody’s front yard and I botched a throw, “Hey, I could pitch for the Sox!” “And I could play defense for the Cubs!” was the good-natured response. It was joking, plain and simple – no ill will or nastiness involved.
The seething animosity had to have started later than that – maybe as early as that NL pennant in 1984, but I’m guessing it was probably after ESPN’s meteoric rise in the mid-90s. Until then, only local media really paid attention to what the Cubs or Sox were doing, and it was pretty balanced coverage. When I spent summers in the ’burbs, one set of highlights on the news, even WGN News, would always follow the other, and each team got equal column-inches in both the Trib and the S-T.
‘98 changed that – with the Chase, Sosa’s MVP, and the play-in for the Wild Card, the Cubs became a favorite topic in Bristol. And have stayed that way. If I were a young Sox fan looking for highlights on SportsCenter and all I heard every day was Cubs, Cubs, Cubs, especially when they never seemed to do anything, I might start reflexively uttering “Cubs suck”, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Or how about when interleague play started in 97?
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I'm not so sure it ever changed.
Media loves conflict, so that’s what gets on camera, in print.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 23, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
would you want him associated with this turd?
by jesus christos on Aug 22, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention some of the personalities.
Even though I’ve said different in the past, but this team is so bad I don’t know if I would want Sandberg getting infected if this thing happens to be a virus. I would want him to start off fresh with the ability to initiate the changes that would happen in a spring training like setting.
If Sandberg was in the running, he would be here today if Iowa was 65 games up.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Aug 22, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
For the second time......
If Sandberg were being considered, it wouldn’t matter if Iowa was up by 65 games, he would be here.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Aug 22, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Heard you the first time, but I'll bite....
So you think Sandberg isn’t being considered for 2011 at all?
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If Sandberg were being considered, it wouldn’t matter if Iowa was up by 65 games, he would be here.
If Sandberg were being considered was definitely Hendry’s choice, it wouldn’t matter if Iowa was up by 65 games, he would be here.
FTFY.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
Geez, let Hendry go through the process of interviewing candidates first. If manager is as important as everyone says it is, then give Hendry time to make the right choice.
Hendry promised an extensive search
That said, he cannot install anyone under serious consideration or he sets himself up for major criticism.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Perhaps Hendry feels its more important he stays with Iowa right now. There’s nothing being here the last 40 games would do for 2011.
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by puckishcubsfan on Aug 22, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa is post season bound
why punish Ryno and make him miss that
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
I don't think so
If Hendry brought Sandberg in as the interim, there is no way he could not make him the 2011 manager. He couldn’t survive the firestorm from bringing Ryno in and then hiring someone else. I think Hendry had honestly assumed that Lou would get through the season, and then there would be time to make a decision on a manager. Hendry wasn’t set to pull the trigger on a permanent choice, so he put in a guy he could let go at the end of the year.
I had tears in my eyes as I watched Lou's post game conference.
No need to apologize for anything Lou. You wanted it as bad as we do.
Godspeed to you and your family.
Thank you.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
by Zeke on Aug 22, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I just found it, and shed a tear here at work.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5484545
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Thanks for the link
There is no doubt in my mind that Lou wanted badly to win here.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Yep, he did win badly here. (rimshot)
too soon? ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Bob Brenly was just hilarious again. Seriously Bob needs a comedian job. I think it was the 8th and he said: "I’m not sure if Aramis Ramierez will ever get in front of a ground ball again this year.’ I was just cracking up. I couldn’t see a replay, but it looked like Ramierez was lazy, as usual.
"Matt Capps is more valuable than Albert Pujols."---by Doggie Stalker on Aug 16, 2010 9:35 PM PDT
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Aug 22, 2010 5:37 PM CDT reply actions
I had turned the game off by then, but that definetly sounds like Bob. Lol.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
I heard that...I busted out laughing, too...he was all over A-Ram
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Hahahahaha I heard that as well.
I laughed for a while.
Bob must love his job…he gets paid to make fun of these clowns when they are bad and he gets paid to watch great baseball when they are good.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I also got a chuckle out of this comment.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
True.
Brenly doesn’t typically have the bite that Stoney did his last couple years with the Cubs. This was full guns blazing criticism.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad I missed the game threads then.
Sorry I missed the game on TV though. I was in a studio all day.
Lou deserved a better end than this. Remember, he couldn’t play the games, and his team fell apart. Some of it may have been his doing, much of it was not.
And who among us, facing the illnesses in our families as Lou did this year, would be able to concentrate 100% on baseball? It’s a baseball game, played outside of “real life” and never forget that.
I hope Lou can enjoy some of the time remaining with his family, those last moments, from personal experience, are irreplaceable.
We all wish Lou well as the team moves forward.
Here’s hoping an interim manager with something at stake for next year can pull a couple of the right strings to get this team interested in better defense and situational hitting. The hand he’s been dealt is what it is. Let’s see if he can show us this team can cast a shadow and fog a mirror.
by Vegas Bob on Aug 22, 2010 5:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Does this mean the Colvin experiment at 1B has been shelved, I wonder?
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Probably means it will happen more often, I'd think.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Lou was set to play Colvin at 1B in Washington. No reason to think that will change.
I have to believe part of Hendry’s conversation with Quade (and possibly Trammell before that) was that the team wants to play the kids the rest of the way as much as possible.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Who is Castillo?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Wellington Castillo
(I think that’s who he’s referring to)
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I see that he's a catcher
I didn’t know Hill had competition for his .200 BA.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Castillo's gotten like 10 ABs
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Maybe Quade will play Castillo.
Of course, Soto is due back from the DL soon.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
why do i have this feeling that castillo will get sent down
instead of hill catching david patton-itis
by jesus christos on Aug 22, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Soto's suppose to come off DL tomorrow
per article on cubs.com
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
As a matter of fact
I don’t. However I do hold Hill’s overuse amazing when you consider we did have an alternative.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Goodbye Lou
I haven’t commented here in awhile. It has been a tough year.
I appreciated Lou. He was respected, and tried his best, which is something we all strive for in life. Who among us does not make mistakes.
There will not be another Manager like him. If the players could have done a little something in the playoffs for him we could be talking about a World Series. It was not to be.
He will be missed. We love you Lou!
I love watching the Cubs during the season and dread watching them in the playoffs.
Postgame
Does anybody have a link to the postgame press conference of Lou? I’m curious to hear what he said
the trib usually posts postgame conferences. should be up later.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I suspect it'll be up on cubs.com at some point as well
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
ESPN showed a good 4-5 minutes of it.
Watch Baseball Tonight in about 10 minutes…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
ESPN will probably replay it...it's probably on their website, too.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Here
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5484545
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Some Lou trivia, albeit somewhat unsubstantiated...
Lou trivia #1 – Heard this from Pat Hughes during one of the (many) blowouts this year. Lou was the first (and only?) player thrown out at 1st, 2nd, 3rd and home during the same game.
Lou trivia #2 – Heard this in passing and no idea how to prove it, but it seems legit. Lou has the most career HRs (102) without hitting more than one HR in a game.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Lou trivia #1
I’ve read this many times too. I suppose one would have to call it the anti-cycle or maybe even a TOOTBLAN cycle.
I gonna real miss him.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
what a douchebag joe morgan is. the man just said that lou leaving early was a “problem” for him. He also said it gives the Cubs time to search for a new manager. Yeah JOe, only threeefucking months too late. what a fucking idiot. disgraceful.
"Matt Capps is more valuable than Albert Pujols."---by Doggie Stalker on Aug 16, 2010 9:35 PM PDT
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Aug 22, 2010 5:50 PM CDT reply actions
hes angry that ryno can become a manager while morgan will be telling the country how stupid he is
by jesus christos on Aug 22, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I can believe it
Why would he lie about it? It’s not like he’s ever cared what Cubs fans think about him.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The reason I asked that is because Morgan is a baseball elitist.
One of the reasons I think he has a problem with Ryno or at least that’s my perception.
He has a problem with Ryno because he's a HOF 2B for a rival of the Reds
When people started talking up Ryno, they initially compared him to Morgan, and eventually started doing so in Sandberg’s favor. He believes that his career was better than Ryno’s was, but it’s tough to find anybody else out there who agrees with him. He’s a little bitter about that, and he has a platform to let that bitterness out.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Somebody photoshop this.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
Drewishdrewid might be up to that task.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
...
WWOZ.org - New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Station
by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 22, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
Winner.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
In the sports commentator pantheon..
Joe Morgan is just one step up from Jay Mariotti.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I think they both are horrible and avoid them at almost all costs
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
He is, however,
One step behind Hawk Harrelson.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
All 3 of them suck.
There.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
by mikegncb34 on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll agree with those rankings.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
the unholy Trinity of talking head wasteland
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Tada!
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
203 Former Major League Players have been enshrined in Cooperstown.
For Joe Morgan, that’s 202 too many.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If Joe Morgan spends his whole career with the Astros, does he get into the Hall Of Fame?
I think the Big Red Machine had lots to do with it…….
Santo, like Morgan, had a good career, he just did not have the same high profile post season teams.
I have always thought that if the Cubs made it to the WS in 1969, Santo would have already been voted in.
See Brooks Robinson…..
Well, Brooks went to the WS in 69,70, and 71
…and those Oriole teams were in the playoffs every year. So, that’s not really comparable to Santo’s one “near miss” year.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, excellent points.
I also wonder if players on the high profile teams and the good teams get a boost for things like the All-Star Game as well. Seems like that and name recognition almost always trump good stats.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie Smith.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Great points until the last sentence, IMO
Brooks is a HOF-er without a doubt in my mind.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
No
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan wasting oxygen is a "problem" for me.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
I don't listen to anything that guy has to say.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Hence why you should always use the "mute" button with that clown.
However, with him, I prefer to call it the “Morgan” button. Hitting it once means you don’t have to listen to his half-truths.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you need to curse
all the time? Can’t you say what you want without using the f-word all the time?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Going to miss you Lou.
When the Cubs started losing, well at the beginning of the year we was all hard on Lou, but he’s not been the same Lou all year. He might of had all this on his mind from the beginning. It’s not wonder he wasn’t the same and couldn’t put his heart and head 100% into the game. I’m glad he’s at home focusing on what he needs to focus on and best wishes for him and his family, my prayers are with you all.
ESPN just did a Lou "tribute"...
that showed him kicking dirt and kicking his hat for about 2 minutes straight.
Lou was more than that.
Again, another reason that ESPN is a joke now. Shame on them
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
To their credit, they mentioned his caring about the game being the reason they got such a "highlight reel"
Baseball Tonight is being a little more infuriating – Talking Head 1 was trying to get a name out of Talking Head 2 about possibilities for the 2011 manager’s job and TH2 would only talk about Sandberg.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yep I'm watching that right now.
Baseball Tonight is still an ESPN show…
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Happy I don't have ESPN
Now MLB network, I’m happy we don’t have. That is like a drug.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
JP Richardi or whatever
is not a very good stuido guy.
But I did enjoy the slice of Kurkijen’s montage on Lou that I saw. But, I like Tim. I think he’s funny.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Especially when his voice cracks...lol
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Aug 22, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Listening to Jim Hendry in the postgame press conference
I was confused a little by his logic. He said that since he wouldn’t consider Trammell for the manager’s job after this season, that he felt it would be best to let Quade get a shot to manage, since he would be considered for the position.
Besides this being an unfair advantage for Quade over any other candidate, it’s also a bit of a ruse in my opinion. What could Quade possibly show them in a month with a team this bad? I really think he has no shot at the job, and the whole thing is just smoke. This is just another—albeit minor—thing that puts a bad taste in my mouth with this organization, particularly Hendry.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
It was mentioned in one of the other threads
That this may be a way for Quade to pad his resume with some major-league managing experience. All the better to raise his profile for his job hunt in the coming off-season, you see.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I suppose it's possible Hendry and Quade
have a gentleman’s agreement we’re not privy to, but it just bothered me that Jimbo tried to sell the “Quade will be considered” thing. I hope he doesn’t think everyone is that gullible.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
I find it's best to take anything any GM says to the media
With about 3 teaspoons of salt.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He did promise us that he'd make 3-4 moves
that would turn this team around. Obviously he has no respect for the fans.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Really?
I thought it was a classy move. He didn’t want to lead Tram on so they discussed it and then gave someone else the opportunity.
Little things like that are probably my favorite part of Hendry, not something I find putting a bad taste in my mouth. Its refreshing to see someone in managment who isn’t a jerk.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
In reality
is there any possible reason to consider Tram? He may be a great guy and very knowledgeable but his responsibility for our defense has resulted in a team with poor fundamentals. Today’s game was a perfect example.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maybe this is one of those baseball moves...
That pleases the player/coach involved (thereby attracting staff and free agents) but makes little baseball-sense in the short term. Seems to happen all the time with Hendry.
Quade is getting a cup of coffee
The Cubs will need a “name” manager in 2011 to at least get some momentum in offseason ticket sales. Sandberg could serve that role, but Quade can’t.
Seeing how many rings the last 2
“name” managers got us…
Really, just hire someone who knows the job and knocks your socks off in the interview. I love to find the baseball version of Mike Tomlin.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
so we should call Ron Rivera for an interview
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
The Bears should after this season.
Only because they screwed up and let Singletary get away.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
they screewed up and let Rivera go as well
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
That was Lovie's call...
and I think he pushed Rivera out the door because he was insecure about having a popular ex-Bear so close to his coaching throne. It’s not like the defense has been as good any season since Chico left.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Call in dozens of people to interview
Tomlin got called in as a first year coordinator totally off the beaten path. And got the job.
I just don’t want them to key in on someone and say “he’s the guy”. Look around. Interview bench coaches. Whatever, experience is overrated. Find someone who’s dying for an opportunity.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I do not believe Quade will be the manager next season....But I hope he plays the kids and gives Colvin a real shot at 1b.
I think Ricketts may be starting to pull some strings now….
Like Al, I think I will wait until tomorrow to talk more about Quade.
As far as Lou is concerned, as someone who watched their mother die, I think it is absolutely the correct move to go to her now. I was surprised he came back from his last leave of absence.
Good Luck to you Lou and your family…..
considering the lack of elite 1B free agents and if 2011 is really going to be a rebuild year
why not stick colvin at first. I think it’s a great idea.
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
Buster Olney from ESPN said something I think is spot on...
It’s Joe Girardi first…anybody else 2nd.
Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.
Moving on.....the rest of the season is....
Quade-rophenia!
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
so long, Lou
Would’ve been nice to win a playoff game, send Ramirez to the DL a lot sooner, drop Ramirez and Lee in the lineups earlier…
Enough complaining. I hope things improve with your Mom.
Lou was never the same after last August.
The Cubs, who were tied or a game back from first, lost a getaway game in Cincinnati. Afterward, some Cubs (Theriot, I believe) admitted the team didn’t have the right focus. The club proceeded to have a terrible August while St. Louis played well. It was over by Sept. 1. At that point, what had been an occasional odd decision by Lou became an almost daily occurrence.
I think he started playing more by-the-book, because he had fallen short in three years with the Cubs. He stopped doing innovative things, like he did when he moved Theriot to short in 2007. He started relying on veterans instead of playing promising rookies. He relied too much on lefty-righty matchups late in games rather than going with the hot hand. After August 2009 — which, of course, came after the postseason sweeps the previous two years — he was either too tired, too baffled or too lacking in confidence to be the guy he was when he was hired. Maybe he started believing in the curse.
Lou was a great manager for the Cubs in 2007. He was a good manager in 2008 and for a good bit of 2009. He was a bad, bad manager this year, I never figured he’d be back in 2011, but I was happy when he verified that thinking last month.
Today, I have nothing but sympathy for him for what he’s going through, and good lord should the Cubs have done him better in his last game. He’s a Hall of Famer, he did good things here and he was the best manager the Cubs had in my lifetime — though he did fall short.
Oh, well. As I said when Lee was traded, it’s time to turn the page. Good luck, Lou. And thanks.
by elgato on Aug 22, 2010 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd as well.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
well said, cat
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure they didn't, actually.
The bullpen is really, really bad. Barney made an error, and the double play that wasn’t on the groundball to Nady put the game out of reach.
My point is, I think the team is so low on talent/experience right now that I don’t blame effort. Ramirez, Castro, and Byrd all had good days at the plate, and the Cubs had a little fight left in them in the eighth.
Playing hearts out doesn’t matter, sadly, when you’re low on talent. That’s where the Cubs are now.
Bingo.
It’s not about the Cubs not playing their hearts out, at this point.
The Braves are good, the Cubs are bad. End of story.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
Question:
Are we 3-4 moves away from being Atlanta good?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
well, if we move to Boston, then Milwaukee then to Atlanta
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by Cubbie-Tim on Aug 22, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol good one :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Outstanding
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Sure
Sing Cliff Lee
Trade spare parts for Roy Halladay
Steal Gonzales from the Padres
Sign 1 or two setup guys who will have WHIPs below1.0
Done.
Sing Cliff Lee???
How?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
its a new snazzy song
all the kids are singing it
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
I was wondering what that new Lady Gaga song was.
Now I know!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
-100 for voluntary Lady Gaga reference.
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I am inspired by your wisdom
From your lips to Hendry’s ear.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
if we are dreaming
let Colvin play 1st in 2011 & go after one of the best players in the game for 2012.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano – Byrd – Dome?
A-Ram – Castro – Barney? – Colvin
Soto
If Colvin can handle 1B, you might have 6 or your 8 starters settled for next year, with Brett Jackson on the horizon for the OF, and Vitters and Hak-Ju Ree as infield prospects for ’12 or ’13..
Use the money on pitching.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
lol actually....
I have no idea at this point.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Ehhh...I wouldn't say that.
I just think they aren’t very good.
Castro, Rami and Byrd were great today.
The Braves are very good.
The Cubs have no pitching.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
WGN lead off its telecast with a statement from Hendry about Lou
and I was appalled by how bad Jim looked. He’s not a kid but he’s just 55 and he looked stooped over and had really bad bags under his eyes. We know what this season has done to us but I am afraid of the toll it’s taken on Jim. I don’t care fir a lot of his moves as GM but really hope he’s taking care of himself, health-wise, after his heart problems a few years back. He did look a little better later in the booth with Len and Bob, and maybe it was the lighting, but that job HAS to take a lot out of you.
by Vegas Bob on Aug 22, 2010 7:15 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I didn't see the footage.
But Hendry has always looked pretty haggard.
Yep...both Lou AND Jim have had very very very rough years.
Look at a picture of Lou 4 years ago when he was hired and look at him now.
Doesn’t matter if you are a player, GM, manager or you work in the front office….working for the Cubs is a tough, stressful job.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
The 4 years have
aged Lou so much. What a difference in his looks.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
the past two i think we all have aged
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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
That's a result of expecting and assuming something completely different
from reality upon taking this job. There can’t be a tougher managerial job than the Cubs. I don’t say that because I’m a fan, I say that because we all have seen what it does to people. In some cases it’s almost like what happened to Jack Nicholson when his character took the job of care taker of the Hotel in The Shining.
it's like what happens to our Presidents
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean you didn't see my post below?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
oops! :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
That whole
“pressure of the drought” thing might have some credence.
He aged faster than a war time President.
Very sad.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
It's the pressure from the fans,
But it doesn’t just stop at the Cubs’ job. Have you ever seen pictures of presidents from before their term begins and then after their term ends? Seems they almost all develop a lot more gray hairs than most other people in their age would after four years (or eight, if they win a second term).
I can’t speak for them, but the pressure must be tremendous. And it’s the same way with Cubs fans. We want a World Series win in the worst possible way, and if the manager falls short, no matter how much good he does, we will find ways to shun him or find fault in things he does.
It happened to Baker, it happened to Lou. Although, and this is coming from someone who wanted Lou gone, I would never wish his situation upon anyone. I’ve interviewed and spoken to several of the most well-known politicians in Vermont, and the one thing that always was the same is that they are human beings, too. If someone in their family gets ill, I have no doubt they would take time off to be with the family member.
And just like Lou, them going to be with their ailing family member is the right choice.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I presume the decision was made yesterday
and Hendry was up all night implementing the pieces of the puzzle. Add a few beverages and it’s easy to see a haggard GM the next day.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
It's really frightening, actually.
We know Hendry has had heart problems before. He’s only a year older than I am, and he just doesn’t look very good.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I may not think he's a good gm
but seriously would someone who could do really well, want the stress of the job? Thats my worry. That no one with good sense would take the job of Cubs GM.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
55? I thought he was 65, but even for a 65 year old, he does not look good.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Forget it - I misread and confused Jim with Lou.
However Lou has aged beyond his years too, IMHO.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Didn't hear the post game
But from what I’ve read here it reminds me of when Phillip Fulmer stepped down in the midst of a losing season. As Lou has given his life to baseball, fulmer had given his life to the univ of TN football team as a player and coach. Sadly, it ends this way far too often.
by cubbiefanTN on Aug 22, 2010 7:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Today's National Anthem
I eagerly tuned in to hear more about the Lou happenings today and was pleased to get a full dose of pregame in the telecast including the National Anthem. Unfortunately, I get to see few games on television.
Wayne Messmer sure does it right, but as a band member in high school who played many times at high school events, I do appreciate a nice instrumental version of the National Anthem.
Question. Does WGN and CSN show the National Anthem regularly, or are they more likely to on Sundays? Also, I’m curious of a rough breakdown percentage of performances. (Wayne, other singers, instrumental)
Good luck to Lou, hope he enjoys retirement.
For the 1:20 and 3:10, 3:15 games - yes, the National Anthem usually gets aired.
for the :05 games, not so much – just depends on when they actually play the anthem vs. when TV coverage begins.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I've never heard them play God Bless America and the national athem
as I heard today. But both were done beautifully
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Generally they show the anthem at Wrigley..
not so much at road games. As ballhawk said, could be as much start times as anything.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
What I'm about to say is NOT a criticism of Lou's decision.
But after trading Lee, Lilly, Theriot and Fontenot and Lou’s retirement, I can’t imagine what the next six weeks will be like for most of the guys who’ve been Cubs for a long time.
The young players are essentially auditioning for jobs. Zambrano and Fukudome are also, in essence, auditioning for playing time next year, be it with the Cubs or another team.
But for Ramirez, Soriano and (to a lesser extent) Byrd, the next six weeks are gonna suck.
Especially for Aramis, who has been an integral part of the Cubs since 2003.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
and even moreso for us fans
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BUT...we at least have the Bears, Bulls and Hawks starting up soon :)
But they aren’t the Cubs :(
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
To the contrary
I expect the Bears to play a lot like the Cubs this year. :(
I hear you though; I’m a huge Bears fan as well as an Iowa Hawkeye fan, but if I had to pick just one of my teams to have a great season it would always be the Cubs.
I agree with everything you said here...
except I’m all Buckeyes and no Hawkeyes ;)
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
i am big on the Bears and Blackhawks
so this year was not too bad over all, got one title
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Apparently Derrick Rose carried the USA team past Spain
single-handed down the stretch earlier today. And the Hawks still have all their best players, even if all the depth is gone.
Da Bears? Gonna be a lonnnnnng season at Soldier Field, I’m afraid.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Derrick looked great today.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I'll admit...I'm a lot more excited about the Bulls than Bears...
I absolutely love the team they have put together
(so far)
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I love football
but cannot manage to talk myself into the Martz experiment at all. Which is weird, b/c I can chug the bears kool-aid with the best of them.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
i dont see the Bears O-Line being good for the Martz style of offense
but who knows
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I don't see the Bears O-Ling being good PERIOD
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
The thought of those impending seasons
made me throw up a little in my mouth. Like standing at the edge of an abyss and wondering how deep it is. I love my hometown of Chicago but by and large I truly believe it shortens the lives of its fans. Aside from some scattered seasons and the Bulls in the 90’s it’s been tough sledding during my 60 years.
by Vegas Bob on Aug 22, 2010 10:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
you had the bears in 85 :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
A-Ram and Sori are getting something like $16m each this year?
They should be professionals about it.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt.
But being professional doesn’t mean they have to enjoy it.
Just as long as they set a good example for the youngsters.
Back to Crash Davis:
"Listen, Nuke, at first these big league hitters are going to light you up like a pinball machine. Don’t worry about it. You be cocky and arrogant even when you’re getting beat. That’s the secret. You’ve got to play this game with fear and arrogance."
Fear, arrogance, and teammates that don’t go in the tank.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soriano, for all his flaws ...
is a professional. He might suck occasionally, but I doubt he’ll ever tank.
I’m not so sure about Ramirez.
by elgato on Aug 22, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As one who almost lost his Cubs fan mother this year ..
.. and I’m repeating what I said in another thread ..
.. I know from painful personal experience just how badly one feels when wanting to be with a gravely ill mother. I’ve detailed this in the past here and I can certainly feel what Lou was going through. Perhaps he had been struggling all year round with this terrible personal issue and hoped he could honor his commitment here.
I haven’t seen the press conference, but my heart goes out to him and I would probably lose it if I did. God, but do I know that horrible, sick empty void and having to let life push you one way when your yearning to take care of your mom cries out to go the opposite way. He kept saying he did all he humanly could do to get the Cubs to a happier postseason destiny .. and it’s too bad the Cubs dropped the ball both times they had the opportunity.
Well he’s done all he can do with the Cubs and now he’s doing the right thing for his family and himself. He’s having no regrets in what counts the most: familia. Good for him and shame on the misanthropic morons who’d piss on his name for doing so. He gave us hope when it was about gone and I will have nothing but good memories for that.
Godspeed to you, Lou .. all true Cubs fans wish you the best and I pray every remaining moment with your mother is precious and cherished. I’m hoping my mom hangs in there and I can do likewise soon, when my divorce finalizes and I return home to Chicago in a couple months.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
hope your mom is still doing well.
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much better .. but not out of the forest
she’s living independently again, thank God, but has to go to dialysis three times a week and requires a lot more medical care then before. She needs drivers, homemakers and other support services that frankly have stretched my brother and SIL to the limit. My SIL was one of the teachers axed by the Chicago school system last spring and the only “upside” to this is that she has time to be with her more – but she needs to find work herself and her own mom suddenly came down with congestive heart failure. So more stress all around
Which again emphasized my sympathies with Lou. Life is nothing you plan for. What happens, happens .. and you take care of it.
So I NEED to get back up there ASAP. Hopefully, a move back to Chicago will be in the works in a couple months.
Does anyone know if the post game is viewable anywhere online?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Send your mother my best wishes.
I also hope she has a speedy recovery.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Check up farther in the
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Mikegncb34 originally posted it.
Here, I’ll repost it for you.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
i did cry
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
glad she is on the right path
and i will continue to keep her in my thoughts and prayers
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"Life is what happens when you're making plans for something else"
I hope that you make it through this rough spot okay. I have been there with my Dad, years ago.
Best wishes.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
The Cubs should be ashamed of themselves....playing like crap for their manager's last game.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Someone said something similar to this before...
and again I say…..
this is the team we have this year. The Cubs are BAD. No bullpen whatsoever.
Castro, Rami and the Byrd Man were very good.
The Braves are very GOOD.
That’s all.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Lou
This was a sad day. I was on my way downtown when my phone went nuts and it was a zillion texts from fellow Cub fans.
I immediately frantically was calling to get someone to DVR the post game for me and I just finished watching it and I also had tears.
Not of this magnitude but I faced a decision and turned down a semi promotion at work to be there for as much of the last few months of my stepdad’s life to be with him and help my mother and have never regretted it.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
At least the White Sox and Red Sox are still in the running...
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Gonna miss Lou
He got alot of undeserved crap from people the last year or two. While I don’t think he managed well this year, I put 2009 on Hendry. And even with this years team, Lou can’t be completely at fault. This team wouldn’t be playoff bound no matter who was managing. Lou did a great job in 2007 and 2008. Even in those playoffs, I think the players were more at fault, suddenly not hitting and playing piss poor defense.
I’m proud of what Lou gave to this organization, and I wish the best to his ill mother. Thanks again Lou, you’ll be missed greatly
by Dcr18 on Aug 22, 2010 8:28 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'll say this..........
Thank you for your 4 years of service to the franchise. Your 2007 and 2008 teams gave us alot of good memories. I’m just sad you had to go out on a loss like this one but I think you made the right desicion in going to take care of your sick mother. I would have done the same thing if I was in your position. I think you did a good job during your tenure. No other Cubs skipper can say they’ve won 2 straight division titles. So once again, thank you.
I donb't know if my sentiments are shared because there are about a jillion comments on this thread and people are starting to get really rude to eachother
I am glad that Lou is gone. I am glad that he will spend time with his ailing mother.
I am not glad with the timing of this, the way that he is going out. His mom has been sick for months. He had one month left in his job before he was done. For someone who professes to be old school, not finishing the job is unacceptable.
He is luckier than 99% of us. I wasn’t able to spend any time off of my job because of an ailing parent. I just think that he should have spent one last month doing what he said he would do.
i read jealousy in that post
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"I just think that he should have spent one last month doing what he said he would do."
He is doing what he should do. He is spending time with his ailing mother instead of not giving his all to the Cubs organization. If he stayed, it would not be fair to him or the Cubs
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
It's easy to criticize
when you haven’t walked in that persons shoes.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
What part of "Life Happens" do you not understand?
.. basically all of it it seems ..
So discussing it any further with you is a waste of time.
I hope your mom’s still alive and that you value her as much as Lou apparently does.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Many people do get time off from work to attend to family matters.
I’m sorry you appear to have a cold heart.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Serious question.
For family matters, such as a death in the family, don’t the airlines offer special “bereavement fares”?
I seem to remember that from May 2009, when I had to go to Chicago last-minute for a funeral.
That was the worst time I’ve ever had in Illinois, for my grandfather’s funeral.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
yes they do
for sick relatives as well
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Good to know.
In my family, there isn’t anyone critically ill now, but one member is terminally ill. So I might need to talk to them about bereavement fares again soon, though I hope it doesn’t happen too soon.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't, actually.
The special “bereavement fares” are a thing of the past. What they will do is sell you a ticket at the lowest available “advance” price. Be prepared to show a death certificate or obituary. They’re not nearly as nice about it as they used to be.
And for sick relatives? I think you can forget it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Seriously?
I may just take my chances driving out there.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
when did that change?
my bro did it when my mom was in the ICU
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Not knowing how long ago that was....
… I know they’ve changed within the last couple years.
Call the airline first.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Next time I face that situation,
I’m calling the airline first, then seeing what they have.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
3 years ago this December
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Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
Depending how much you feel this might be necessary, I’d suggest doing a little research just in case. I’ve heard that in some cases they may be some form of documentation needed, and that was before airlines started charging extra for everything from a suitcase to a snack and soda to a blanket to using the restroom.
Good luck with your situation.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
I just hope she’s still around long enough to see me go to graduate school, and other things…
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And this is where we hear
The requesting of an “un-rec” button at BCB.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
people are starting to get really rude to each other
You’re not helping matters.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Your legally entitled to time off
with a ill family member. The Family Medical Leave Act.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
sadly, Bush changed the law
and you can now be let go while on leave
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I think it may have changed back..
The Family & Medical Leave Act
The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) provides certain employees with up to 12 weeks of unpaid, job-protected leave per year. It also requires that their group health benefits be maintained during the leave.
FMLA is designed to help employees balance their work and family responsibilities by allowing them to take reasonable unpaid leave for certain family and medical reasons. It also seeks to accommodate the legitimate interests of employers and promote equal employment opportunity for men and women.
FMLA applies to all public agencies, all public and private elementary and secondary schools, and companies with 50 or more employees. These employers must provide an eligible employee with up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave each year for any of the following reasons:
* for the birth and care of the newborn child of an employee;
* for placement with the employee of a child for adoption or foster care;
* to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
* to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.
Employees are eligible for leave if they have worked for their employer at least 12 months, at least 1,250 hours over the past 12 months, and work at a location where the company employs 50 or more employees within 75 miles. Whether an employee has worked the minimum 1,250 hours of service is determined according to FLSA principles for determining compensable hours or work.
(emphasis mine)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
it's the law
they can’t let you go … believe you me, I’ve checked into this
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So Lou CAN still come back? Amazing!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 22, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
In this thread people are starting to get rude to one another?
Really? Where?
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering that myself.
Even the discussion between mic and mikegncb34 was carried out in a nice manner.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I thought we were quite professional about our (minor) disagreement.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Indeed you two were.
Gotta give both of you kudos for that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he just wanted to complain
I thought it was kinda funny. As this has probably been one of the most civil threads in a very long time.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
"I just think that he should have spent one last month doing what he said he would do."
He is doing what he should do. He is spending time with his ailing mother instead of not giving his all to the Cubs organization. If he stayed, it would not be fair to him or the Cubs.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Lou
I’m a Cardinal fan, but I like to look at BCB because it’s always interesting and you guys love your Cubs like we love our Birds. With all due respect to the Red Sox and whatever, the Cards and the Cubs have the best fans period.
Anyway, what I’m reading here today is a lot of love for that guy Lou. I don’t want to lay it on too thick, but you guys had a lot of respect and affection for him that maybe you didn’t realize you had.
I always liked him. One thing was that he was a stand up guy. He ran into a lot of buzz saws in his time in Chicago and he never throw anybody under the bus. You have to respect that.
.
by deweydell on Aug 22, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Turn this green.
Thanks so much for your words. I really appreciate them.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
can i get a rec here
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You already got one from me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN told me the yankees have the best fans
you must be jesting
by jesus christos on Aug 22, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
ESPN eastern seaboard programming network just told you Yankees have good fans?? Wow
Next your going to tell me that they are going to tell you every detail about Farves night.
Shocking.
Hence why I am happy I don’t have Espn.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I've gone the last three years without cable TV.
I still have to “somehow” get my favorite shows…but ESPN I miss naut. It’s a beautiful thing.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
What channels do you get?
I have to think your local NBC, CBS, ABC, maybe FOX … anything else? Even those?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
I get those. Plus PBS, with digital I get 3 versions of PBS. Also this weird thing from ABC that is digital called Retro tv network. It’s kinda fun. It’s kinda like 60 or 70’s version of what nick at nite was. Sometime I watch Adam 12 episodes. I’m a bit to young to have watched them the first time around.
We watch very little tv. During the summer if it’s on about 3 hours a week. When I visit my folks, they have dish or direct tv. I do enjoy MLB network.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Well everything's digital OTA now.
So all the national ones, plus each of their weather channels, some PBS, a few crappy local ones, etc. I combine that with MLB.TV, Netflix Streaming for my computers and Wiis, iTS Season Passes, and then I download whatever’s left. Cheaper and much more catered to what I actually want.
If you want to do it go to LifeHacker and search. They post stuff on it about once every quarter.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I solved not having cable for 10 years
By living walking distance from a sports bar. It worked out pretty well.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Oh to live out of market!
I’d willingly give $100 to a league to in turn know I’d be able to get every game.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Rec-ing a comment from a Cardinals fan?
I feel so dirty…
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Packers fan,
And I was on the Vikings’ blog, and a Saints fan came on and made a bad joke about Percy Harvin.
A bunch of Vikings fans said it was in bad taste, and I also said it was in poor timing.
Some Vikings fan actually rec’d my comment at Daily Norseman.
And I also wrote a FanPost at Talking Chop about Derrek Lee before this series. The editor of SB Nation Atlanta selected it for his page. Who’d have thunk it?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
The idea that the team you love
has any affect on the kind of person you are is ridiculous.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Very true.
Just look at how you and I interacted while at Wrigley Field a month ago.
Me – Packers fan. You – Bears fan. And yet we got along very nicely indeed.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No you don't feel dirty, not really
because it was the right thing to do.
The day Darryl Kile passed away, Joe Girardi (as Cubs catcher) announced the cancellation of that day’s game as “a death in the Cardinals family.” Deweydell’s post is in the same vein.
At some level, we’re all on the same side.
Too many get wrapped up on the
“fandom” and forget the humanity of it.
The laundry you cheer for should have no bearing on your humanity.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Man, so many comments need to be green tonight!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
but sadly people like to have sides
makes them happier if they can prove they are “right”
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Its just one of those things I've
never understood. There is so much else in this world to get upset by, sports is supposed to be FUN.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
sports is the original reality TV
not worth the crazy hatred you read and see
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
I agree
Cubs many times have been what I’ve fallen back on when I’ve needed to when the world wasn’t such a bright and shiny place.
Pat & Ron are like friends. Judd’s that annoying person that tags along. :)
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Blah..Judd Sirott scares me when he broadcasts.
He just screams at me!!!
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
that's why we love the MLB app on the Iphone
Other announcers during 5th inning. Gives us an opportunity to listens to others. Minus a few.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball and life
Baseball has always been my escape when my life and the world is stupid even when the Cubs are stupid.
Nothing like sitting down for a couple of hours and forgetting the troubles.
Ironically some of the most difficuilt years in my life have coincided with some of the best Cubs years. 2008 was a really tough year for me for example.
And this has been a good year for me. One of the best years of my life was 1997!
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 23, 2010 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions
One of my favorite baseball quotes is from Willie Stargell
I’m going off of memory here so it may not be exact, but it was something like this…
The man says “play ball”, not “work ball”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You are correct,
but I sensed a bit of sarcasm by the poster.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I watched the very next game on TV in Chicago.
The Cubs were honoring Kile at Wrigley Field for what he did to baseball. There’s nothing wrong in that at all.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes we are, and no I didn't, not really
and I kid, I kid… it was nice of deweydell to speak up.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What part of "Life Happens" do you not understand?
.. basically all of it it seems ..
So discussing it any further with you is a waste of time.
I hope your mom’s still alive and that you value her as much as Lou apparently does.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
2nd reply fail .. I'll get it right
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
To some degree, I know what Lou's going through.
My grandfather, who was like a father to me, was ill for years before he died in May 2009. And I remember being unable to be there when he died.
I wish Lou the best, going to be with his mother. This is unfortunately reminding me of being unable to be with my grandfather.
In some ways, I think it hurts more when a person suffers in a drawn-out fashion. He had a stroke and a series of other illnesses before he died unexpectedly in May 2009. I say “unexpectedly” because the hospital he was at should have been keeping closer tabs on him.
I wish Lou and his mother the best.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:21 PM CDT reply actions
So many detractors
I wish they would all just step back and look at the entire body of work, then put it in the context of life as a human being with all the same likes, dislikes, happiness and pain that we share as a species. To focus on the negatives and to turn one’s back on the human factors; to show no empathy or sympathy simply amplifies the narrow minded narcissism that these “fans” seem to share.
Good luck and Godspeed Lou. I wish you had been the one. We’ll get there some day. Go home and take care of your family. That is infinitely more important than anything anyone here can say.
And so it goes.
by Luigi on Aug 22, 2010 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 10 recs
Did my part.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Quite a colorful page we have here this evening.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
I'm watching the WGN "instant replay" show on TV about Lou.
Even gives me a warm feeling. Bye, Lou….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Grr, meant to watch that tonight..
But for those of you with Chicago-area cable, it rebroadcasts at 11:40 on CLTV.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 22, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
This is an odd fact
#Cubs opened this season with 16-5 loss to #Braves and finished Lou Piniella’s career with loss to same team by same score.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 22, 2010 10:12 PM CDT reply actions
Let us never speak of 2010 again...it shall be as if it never happened.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 22, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
What is "words uttered by Cub fans for 60 years?" Alex
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I feel much better now, I really do.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
ISWYDT...
Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."
The Face of the Chicago Cubs.
by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone will win a million dollar Double Jeopardy for that one
That is going to be one whale of a trivia question in years to come
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
wow, that is odd
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 22, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
coolio, we need to start twirling again
i guess that’s been my fault .. huh .. times have been hard here though
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Aug 22, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou's post-game interview.
I just watched Lou’s post-game interview, and as I said about D. Lee when he was traded so goes for Lou Piniella, “May the road rise to meet you.”
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Being Irish
Being Irish I love that poem.
It was also the first needlepojnt I did when I was young. I still have it in fact I can see it while I type.
Last night I was listening to Sarah MacLauchlin (sp) and two of her songs seemed appropriate. I will Remember You and Angel.
Did you hear Hawk’s comments on Lou Crawdad? I heard they were very good and nice but didn’t hear exactly what they were.
Another song that seems appropriate is Linda Ronstadt’s Goodbye My Friend. But that’s more for if a person dies.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
by puckishcubsfan on Aug 23, 2010 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawk
I was traveling the last several days so I did not watch any Chicago baseball and didn’t hear these particular by Hawk about Lou. Hawk has always praised Lou though so it doesn’t surprise me if Hawk had (more) kind words about Lou. Ozzie has always praised Lou as well, BTW.
As I mentioned above, I watched Lou’s post-game comments. Lou’s words and emotion were understandable. When he said about never wearing a uniform again…touching (an understatement).
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Best to Lou...
….and lets hope the next manager is in a better position to have sustained success, or you will see another good baseball man go down in flames.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Whatever confused feelings I had with this whole thing
were cleared up with his press conference. I hate that things ended this way. When the Cubs made their comeback in 2007 to take the division, and followed it up with the regular season in 2008, I think we all had dreams that Lou and the rest of this team would be the ones that year, or some year in the near future, to make it to the World Series and win it. It’s amazing to see how south things went. Since last year, Lou hasn’t seemed all that interested in managing this team, or didn’t seem to be that interested in the success or failure of this team, but despite all that, his press conference showed me that he was basically being ripped from this sport, which is something he does care about. If I were in his shoes, and had the issues with this team that he’s had for the last two years now, I’d age about 10 years also and wouldn’t give a damn. He clearly still did, and it sucks that things didn’t turn out differently because I’m sure this is not how he wanted to go out.
Family is family, and if you love your mother then you have to be with her. I would have preferred if Lou stayed by his mother’s side though and just left this wretched season behind him. With everything else going on in his life, perhaps he shouldn’t have been here at all. Sometimes you need an escape though, and it’s disappointing that things didn’t go differently to give him a decent enough escape, or a descent enough end to his career.
On the flip side, maybe this team was his escape. Maybe he just cared about being around the boys, success and failures be damned. Is it possible to lose and still have a good time? Perhaps, and that’s maybe why with the vets, and the ones who have been around Lou longer, they looked to be phoning it in. They too were probably there to just be with the boys and play some baseball, win or lose. I think all of this because Lou looked like someone who didn’t want to leave, despite the failures of this team, and with the pain in his face, I clearly understood that his reasons for leaving were very real and he had no other choice, and what I was speculating on just now was maybe the case.
I hope his mother takes a turn for the better and she can live out the rest of her life peacefully, and Lou can enjoy his retirement peacefully and move on from all of this. Hopefully just getting to go visit wherever he wants, whenever he wants, will be a better escape for him. At least he won’t have to answer to the media then.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 7:19 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I think retiring from baseball has to be one of the hardest (and saddest) thing for a guy to do
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Retirement in general is difficult
but yeah, when you’re winning in baseball, it’s probably a lot of fun to be in the clubhouse, and even when you’re losing, you have so many characters (in a good way, like Dempster) on a team that it makes it worthwhile to be there. It would be like always hanging out with buddies, doing that for 40 some odd years or more as player and manager, and then having it all stop. That’s why part of me thinks that these guys cared more about just playing some baseball and hanging out, they coasted, as opposed to stressing themselves out by trying to achieve something that wasn’t achievable, like winning a World Series.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Hendry is the GM going forward?
From what I’m reading in the papers, Jim Hendry going forward is the Cubs GM, is that possible? I want to be him when I grow up.
by jackbuc@aol.com on Aug 23, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions
He has been told that he will be the GM on Opening Day 2011
Beyond that, we do not know his fate.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Nice write up Al...
I agree, the only thing to do was to step down and choose family first. Especially with a team that flat out stinks and is esentially many minor leaguers’ chance to show what they have.
Good luck Lou, I enjoyed your time here.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
Lou and Bobby Cox for some reason
remind me of Batman and Superman from Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns.
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
they remind me of Mermaidman and Barnacleboy.... j/k ;)
fare thee well, Lou
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
with Tony LaRussa as the Dirty Bubble ;-)
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Thank you Lou for the last four years
I may not have agreed with your managerial decisions, but that doesn’t take away from what you’ve given to this franchise. I only wish the team you led could have won the World Series.
As so many others have said, best wishes to you and your family and mother.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
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