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Mike Quade, New Cubs Manager: Who Is He?

One of the things we can say for sure about Mike Quade is that he has done his job as third-base coach for the Cubs since 2007 very well.

How do we know this? Because it's an infrequent event when Quade is criticized for sending or holding a runner at third base -- unlike his predecessor, "Wavin' Wendell" Kim, whose aggressive coaching style under his buddy Dusty Baker often sent Cubs runners to their doom at home plate.

Quade, on the other hand, has been one of the quieter members of Lou Piniella's coaching staff, so it was something of a surprise when he was named interim manager for the last 37 games of 2010 upon Lou's retirement. As I wrote yesterday -- and this is nothing but speculation on my part -- the job may have been offered to bench coach Alan Trammell first. Trammell was told he wouldn't be considered for the fulltime position next year, so he may have turned down the part-time gig, leaving Quade as next in line.

Quade, though, was considered for the Cubs job four years ago after four successful seasons managing at Triple-A Iowa -- the same job now held by Ryne Sandberg, who is seen as a strong candidate (and my personal choice) for the position starting next spring.

So who is Quade? What will he be like for the season's final six weeks? And does he really have a chance to manage the Cubs for more than that time? For Quade's part, he's going to take it, as we all do, one day at a time: "If it’s something you want to at this level, whether here or somewhere else, you’d like to think it’s some kind of a boost. It’s something that I’m excited about. If I started thanking people, it would be like a bad Academy Awards speech or something."

Star-divide

Mike Quade is a Chicago-area native who graduated from Prospect High in Mt. Prospect in 1975. Including interim managers and the members of the infamous College of Coaches, he will become the 57th manager in Cubs history. He is the first Chicago native to manage the Cubs since Bob Kennedy had the helm from 1963-65. He will become the fourth manager in major league history whose name begins with the letter "Q": Joe Quinn managed the well-known Cleveland Spiders to most of their horrific record in 1899; Frank Quilici managed the Minnesota Twins for four years in the 1970s, and Mel Queen was interim manager of the Toronto Blue Jays for five games in 1997.

For me personally, this is a major landmark. Mike Quade is the first man to manage the Cubs who is younger than I am (about a year younger).

Is Quade a genuine candidate for the job in 2011 and beyond, or was Jim Hendry just giving lip service? It's really hard to tell. Hendry has, with players, often given them some major league opportunities without really intending to give them a larger role with the Cubs; some of these players have gone on to more playing time for other teams. This could be the case with Quade; he might, with a month and a half of major league managing experience, have a nice credential to show the many teams that will have managing jobs open this offseason. Or, if Ryne Sandberg is indeed the choice, Quade could wind up as his bench coach. Before Quade came to the Cubs organization in 2003, he managed for 15 seasons in the Oakland Athletics organization at all levels, and was their first base coach from 2000-2002 -- all of which were playoff seasons for the A's, and in two of them Oakland won 100 or more games.

What are we likely to see from Quade that's different from Lou Piniella? Not much for the next six weeks, because Quade's got the same roster that Lou leaves behind. Perhaps there will be a minor lineup shakeup or two; perhaps the reflexive yanking of a relief pitcher after one batter or one inning might cease; perhaps Welington Castillo or another young catcher will get playing time in September, and it seems certain that Tyler Colvin will play some first base (he is expected to, at least, during the series beginning tonight in Washington). He's much more glib and active than Lou -- so the postgame news conferences may wind up being more (and, in a strange way, less) quotable.

With Quade's promotion, first base coach Ivan DeJesus will shift to third base duties. Bruce Miles reports that one of the minor league roving instructors will likely take DeJesus' place at 1B. The roving instructors are: Dave Bialas, Bob Dernier, Franklin Font, Dave Keller, Marty Pevey and Mark Riggins.

I'll end this with some more pure speculation on my part: it'll be Dernier. And if it is, that might be a sign that next year's manager will be Ryne Sandberg.

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Don't Think Quade Is Serious Candidate Unless..

Sandberg should get in trouble with the law or says something publicly that is detrimental to the organization. I don’t see either one of those things happening.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope that Quade is a serious candidate

I think Sandberg is still the favorite, but to not consider Quade would mean that they are not doing a thorough search. Quade has experience managing, has big league bench experience, has multiple experience from two different organizations, and has a good rapport with players.

To be honest, I think my first choice is still Fredi Gonzalez, but I doubt he comes here, and Quade is growing on me. I doubt he gets the job, and if Ryne does get the job, I think Quade probably moves on to another organization.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just curious about your thoughts on Lou's early retirement...

….do you think he would have taken “early retirement” to be with his mother if the Cubs were in the midst of a pennant race?

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Aug 23, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

That's a very good question.

But at this point, I don’t think we need to dwell on it. Lou is retired. Please let him enjoy his retirement and take care of his mother. The man has earned that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's offensive to dwell on.

Lou would not have retired yesterday if the Cubs were in the race. I doubt his mother, who Lou said at the Cubs Convention busts his chops about decisions he makes, would have wanted him to. It’s clear his mother cares about his baseball career.

But, you know what, I think Lou retiring now, in a lost season when his mother is very sick, is completely appropriate.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs would have lost in extra innings of Game 7 of the World Series last year...

Do you think Lou would have announced his retirement this year at all? Hypotheticals like that aren’t really important anymore. This season is over—there’s no real reason for Lou to be here.

by msquared10 on Aug 23, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree with Al that it's a good question, it's also unnecessary

because the answer is still, in my own mind, absolutely without doubt that he would have left the team even if they were .5 games back of the pennant with 3 games to play in order to take care of his mother. My own mother is dealing with health issues and I can speak from experience what I would drop and leave behind in order to focus on family.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Aug 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You wouldn't have known about the retirement to begin with

Piniella made the announcement on July 20 with the Cubs in 4th place and 10.5 games out. If the Cubs were in the pennant race on July 20, Piniella is probably not making any announcement to begin with.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Aug 23, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW

I have been told that Lou specifically said during his remarks yesterday, that even if the Cubs had been contenders, he still would have had to take a leave of absence to tend to his mother.

Can we close this now?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why you find this distasteful, Al.

But sure, it’s a hypothetical. I’ll drop it.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because clearly, the man has put family ahead of baseball, and would have done so no matter what.

I find it distasteful that some think this is a bad thing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where did Al say distasteful?

Stop inflating the baloon.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn Interwebs!

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Aug 23, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, now.

I’m not inflating anything. I’m also not being critical of Lou. I totally support his decision.

I’m just saying that I doubt he would have retired — maybe he would have taken a leave of absence — if the Cubs were in the race. If he had a shot at a ring, I doubt yesterday would have been his last game.

Again. This is NOT a criticism.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Aug 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Retired? No.

But leave of absence? Yes. He specifically said so in his news conference before the game.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind...

…Piniella has a track record of putting his family ahead of his career (not often seen these days).

He had a great gig going in Seattle, and chose to leave to manage the Rays so he could be closer to his dad at the time.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good Luck Quade!

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 23, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

I like Quade a lot. I hope the six weeks he has are good ones. He has paid his dues, but I don’t think he’s a serious candidate for the permanent job.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I posted this yesterday but bears repeating.

Quade and Randy Bush were college teammates. It might just have been a favor to an old buddy.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Aug 23, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have made another good point.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

it really needs to be noted, though

that since early this year, a lot of people have been talking about Quade as future managerial material. Doesn’t mean the circumstances align for him, but he is qualified to be considered. Not often I agree with Phil Rogers, but I half wonder if Rogers has a point when he wonders if a “foot soldier” type ends up with a job. He pointed to Wedge/Varsho, neither of whom I think will get the job, but Fredi and Quade likely will be under consideration.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good luck Lou

I’m for Ryno but let’s hope the Cubs have a winning record and finish strong; not a single winning month so far, pathetically. Sept. will be interesting.

Lou should have been replaced in July to try to give team a "spark’’ as we’ve seen work, sometimes, as with hapless Orioles. But his status and new owner worked against that. they let him go on his terms, classy move for the org. but not in best interest of the team.

by QuincyCub on Aug 23, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

'Sparks' like the one you mentioned ...

rarely work with veteran teams. Baltimore is a squad filled with young players finding their way, somewhat akin to the 2003 Marlins.

This team, at its best, was a collection of talented players that didn’t gel, that was hurt by terrible bullpen planning and declines by its two best hitters. No spark would have been enough to get this team into contention. Not this year.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

That said...

… it would not surprise me at all if the Cubs now went on a run where they won six or eight in a row.

Happens all the time with new managers.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's Hope Quade Can Be Better Than..

Charlie Fox and Frank Lucchesi were with the Cubs.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fox managed 39 games in 1983 after Lee Elia was fired.

He went 17-22.

If Quade’s winning percentage is .436, he’ll go 16-21, essentially the same as Fox.

And the next manager won the division the following year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd take 16 wins.

It would prevent 100 losses.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

In reference to this so called "audition"...

If the “brass” are going to judge Quade by his winning %…then that guy is screwed before he even starts. This team isn’t capable of winning more than they lose the rest of the season.

Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither were the Orioles...

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Aug 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the new air fresheners that the new managers bring in

Frebreeze!

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Aug 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

National Media

I keep hearing Buster Olney and those ESPN clowns talking about how it means something that Quade was picked instead of Sandberg right now. Completely ignoring the fact that you can’t just yank Sandberg off of his team in the middle of a playoff race.

by apett8 on Aug 23, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Right.

Winning the PCL title would mean something for Sandberg and his team. The organization owes it to those players to leave him there, at this point.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

And that Quade knows the current roster ...

and wouldn’t need a month — all that’s left in the season — to adjust to the club.

That said, I don’t think the decision is meaningless. Quade might not be ahead of Sandberg, but he has every chance to use the next month to impress people.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

... And Possibly Get a Job In Another Organization

should Quade not be on the Cubs coaching staff next season.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

With the way things have been going

Sandberg knows almost half the current roster today as well.

by Danwood on Aug 23, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

But there still would be an adjustment for Sandberg that Quade just won’t have.

And, again, Quade gets a tryout while the Cubs get a little time to evaluate options and see if Girardi becomes available. This move makes perfect sense to me.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You think 37 games...

… would really make the difference in an “adjustment”? I don’t. Whoever gets the job will have a very different roster and coaching staff than the present one, just as Lou did to begin 2007.

Girardi isn’t going anywhere, barring a complete Yankee collapse.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about who would be better in 2011.

I’m talking about dealing with the current roster for the rest of the year. Quade knows everybody, he’s been with the club for years — and moving him doesn’t require finding another manager for the I-Cubs.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now on that, I agree with you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

or unless he wants to manage the Cubs

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with alot of the things you write about, Al...

…but

Girardi isn’t going anywhere, barring a complete Yankee collapse.
Girardi is gonna shock the world about a week after the Yankees season is over…World Series or not And remember…you heard it here first.

Solution for 2011: A new GM...sign Adam Dunn...Guys in the bullpen NOT named Marshall or Marmol, either sent back down or sent packing.

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better include it in your signature line then...

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Done

Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Book 'em Danno

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I heard it from you.

Not sure about first. And it ain’t gonna happen.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't discount the possibility that Girardi may still interview

and use that as leverage to get a better deal with NY.

"I knew there had to be a place where the game could be fun again. I found that place. It's called Wrigley Field. It reminded that if you love the game, it will love you back." - Andre Dawson, HOF speech 7/25/10

by JFCubFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt it...

…if he gets to the point of interviewing with the Cubs it’s probably because he already turned down the Yankees.

I don’t see the Steinbrenners wanting to keep Girardi if his desire is to interview elswhere, but I could be wrong.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If those ESPN chuckleheads knew anything

They’d be working for a MLB team and NOT ESPN.

by The_Rock on Aug 23, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Um, Buster Olney ...

is a long-time baseball writer. He would NOT be working for an MLB team.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

He’s a writer. He needs stories to write. That’s one of them.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking of about the collection of ex players, managers and GMs

that they have, but as Hawkvision notes below, the writers have to say something too….

by The_Rock on Aug 23, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buster can’t say, “Yep, Quade makes sense.” But, “Why isn’t Sandberg coming up?” provides a touch more controversy, and perhaps gets more eyes/ears to what he’s saying from the baseball world outside of Cubs nation. We know why Sandberg isn’t coming up, as explained above – his current team is in the middle of a playoff race – but Joe Average Baseball Fan who isn’t fully aware of the situation, will probably ask himself the same question, and thusly listen to what the baseball writer has to say.

Thus concludes today’s Sports Journalism lesson. Be sure to come back for tomorrow’s lecture on “How To Get Print-worthy Quotes”, featuring, “What to Ask Managers, e.g. Ozzie Guillen, That Will Get You a Great Headline”.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

That’s all the mainstream media do these days — try to stir up controversy when there is none, not get the actual story right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on.

That’s the most ridiculous generalization I’ve ever seen you make, Al. So every member of the mainstream media ONLY tries to stir up controversy? That’s all they do?

What a bunch of crap. Especially from someone who — twice in the past month — repeatedly tried to downplay trade rumors (Lilly and Lee) that ended up happening.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew what he meant

There’s extremes on both the fans side and the journalists side…It’s a nice, vicious, perpetual, circle: fans sarcastically “yawning” at the boring, yet accurate, story – journalists provide juicy bits to satisfy the readers/listeners desires – fans get fired up about a story being too controversial – journalist tones it down – wash, rinse, repeat.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK...

… yes, that was over the top. But I do see a lot of that coming from mass media — particularly ESPN, which was the beginning of this part of the thread.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure.

It was hyperbole. But that’s hard to do in words on a screen. Maybe we need a hyperbole font.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've got no love for ESPN, generally.

But Buster Olney is a good reporter. Generally, the reporters on ESPN who cover baseball are pretty good, and Keith Law is fantastic. The morons like Joe Morgan and John Kruk bring the worldwide leader’s coverage down.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

bingo

Sandberg stays at Iowa only because they are in the midst of a playoff race…

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by hansman1982 on Aug 23, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, not 'only.'

If Sandberg got the job NOW, it would be assumed that he would get the job next year. Quade works as a stop-gap and he gets a bit of a tryout.

If Girardi becomes available (which is very unlikely), no one will be upset that Quade isn’t the manager next year. If Sandberg gets the job next year, no one will be upset that Quade isn’t the manager. But if Quade gets the job, the Cubs can point to (presumably) a good final month under his leadership.

But if Sandberg got the job now, it would be an affront to him to be replaced by anyone, even Joe Girardi. The Cubs also wouldn’t get a chance to give Quade a try AND to see who else is available this winter.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Olney

has long mentioned Quade as a serious managerial candidate, and there was speculation that he got his opinion from within the Cubs organization.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Daily Double!

for those of you too young, that’s what Harry called Denier and Sandberg. Goo luck to Quade. I wish I knew what Hendry was thinking. Quade is a good guy, but I don’t see him as the face of the Cubs. I hope I’m wrong, but he’s just too non-descript.

Sandberg in Des Moines (now 20 games over .500) was quoted as saying absolutely nothing earth shattering about the now more vacant job. He stressed he was focused on getting the I-Cubs to the post season and praised Lou for his fine career. The link was not worth posting, nothing earth shattering.

Which leads to my last thought. Sandberg CAN be the face of the Cubs, as he was as a player, he can be as a manager. He may be the only one that can do this and certainly as a business decision, he can probably bring back some early ticket sales with just his name alone. After the falling attendance, this may be an important factor to consider.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Aug 23, 2010 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Indeed

I’d love to see the Daily Double back in action.

Too bad they can’t find a way to bring the number three hitter back as well. Sarge already had his stint on the Cubs’ coaching staff.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on Aug 23, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, out of curiosity ...

why would you put Sandberg ahead of Quade on your wish list? Checking both resumes, Quade looks like Sandberg with major-league coaching experience.

I’m not saying I prefer Quade, but I’m not sure I prefer Sandberg. Not yet, anyway.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Not to Mention...

Quade has a lot more minor league managing experience.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quade had 15+ years as a manager in the A's organization.

However, I still prefer Sandberg, for the reasons I have previously stated.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to be combative ...

but which of those reasons puts Quade behind Sandberg?

As I recall, your main argument for Sandberg was that he understands the Cubs culture and the unique pressures. I can’t imagine Quade (after being present for the entire Lou era) wouldn’t understand those pressures just because he wasn’t a Cubs player at any point.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quade's four years...

… as a coach don’t equate to Sandberg’s 15 years as a Cubs player, his popularity with fans, and his HoF playing career.

I’ll give Quade some points for growing up in this area — I presume as a Cubs fan, although we don’t know that for sure.

Let’s see how Quade does — not necessarily his W-L record, but the way he handles various situations. I suppose I could change my mind, but I doubt it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Aren’t you the one always talking about not getting celebrity managers? Sandberg’s popularity among the fans should have NO bearing on whether he gets the job. I’m not even sure that his HoF career is a meaningful part of the argument (plenty of great managers were mediocre or never-were players).

I sure as HELL hope that Sandberg’s popularity has nothing to do with who gets the job. Again, that’s not saying Quade should be hired, but celebrity status is, as you’ve often pointed out Al, pretty meaningless in a manager’s success.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

When I say "celebrity manager"...

… I’m really talking about the old-school guy who’s managed many years before, as Baylor, Baker and Piniella were.

Sandberg is a celebrity, but he is not a “celebrity manager”. I’m sure you see the difference.

I agree — his popularity should not be the reason he is hired. It will, however, be a bonus if he does get the job.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

So let me see if I understand what you're saying ...

Sandberg should be judged on his merits against all other candidates — but you don’t consider his popularity among the fans as a merit.

Then, if he’s hired, his popularity is a bonus, for things like marketing, getting the fans to Wrigley next year, etc.?

My point is that his popularity shouldn’t come into the hiring equation AT ALL. Is that what you’re saying, Al?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obviously, his popularity cannot be ignored...

…. because it exists and everyone knows it exists. It is a factor. It should NOT be the primary factor.

Does that make more sense?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ryno wants to win.

Why would he put all the time in as a minor league mgr if he didnt want to succeed. Does that make him a great mgr? No. but, he obviously understands the game, he is big on fundamentals, he knows what its like to be on bad teams, and to come close in Chicago. He never got that ring as a player and will stop at nothing to get it as the manager.
Oh by the way, he knows the strengts and weaknesses of most of the minor leaguers.
If he doesnt get the job here, I would bet some other team will grab him up.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's Freaking Ryno

Okay, “he’s freaking Ryno” isn’t the greatest reason to put Sandberg ahead of Mike Quade. I’m telling you that’s the reason. Like you, I wish more attention was going to be paid to Quade’s extensive minor league managing experience as well as his coaching experience in the majors. In reality, he’s not a serious candidate because he’s not freaking Ryno.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs hire Sandberg 'because he's freaking Ryno'

… then this organization is more f-ed up than I thought. The fact that ’he’s freaking Ryno’ won’t help the Cubs be a better team.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

The organization is fouled up and mucked up (to be clean about it). I hope the next manager can get that elusive world championship for the Cubs.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sandberg's popularity ...

is a plus from a marketing perspective, but the Cubs have got marketing down to a science. They need to hire someone who can get winning championships down to a science.

That guy MIGHT be Sandberg. But his popularity has nothing to do with his managing abilities.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

the Cubs have got marketing down to a science.

Not any more. Just wait till you see the empty seats in September.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good questions.

I believe the answer to the first one is “yes”.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

when does School start in IL?

its already started in Iowa at most schools.

by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 23, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some schools here have started.

MOST will have started by the time the next homestand begins.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

School

My kids start tomorrow.

"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry

by danimal15 on Aug 23, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mine, next week.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

mine, today

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

wednesday!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wed. here too.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I can't freakin' WAIT.

this child, he does not go outside!!!!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Michigan, the legislature actually banned school from starting BEFORE Labor Day

so it wouldn’t cut into tourism revenue…

Now colleges on the other hand, start next week.

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, "Up North" is the more likely destination.

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just got back from Boyne Falls and Petoskey

It was awesome enjoying the last bit of my wife’s summer vacation. It’s nice she teaches in MI and goes back later, as opposed to in IN where the kids are already back in school.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice... (on the trip part).

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The real reason they start after Labor Day

is because of all the school busses from all over the state up in Mackinaw City for the Bridge walk.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 23, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's how I see it.

Marking the Cubs right now is like putting lipstick on a pig. But the Cubs are still pretty adept at putting on the lipstick.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around
Marking the Cubs right now is like putting lipstick on a pig.

A frightening image, actually.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's an old cliche ...

made popular regarding Sarah Palin in the 2008 presidential campaign. :)

Not cited for political reasons.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because you asked for it...

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

AAGH! My eyes!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon big boy...

…give us a kiss…

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like that shade of lipstick ;)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Aug 23, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, actually YOU'LL see the empty seats...

Just wait till you see the empty seats in September.

The rest of us will be doing other stuff like going to marching band shows and parent teacher conferences… ;)

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

On Sandberg

Very well put, his popularity has nothing to do with his managing abilities. From the sounds of our community here and abroad, he is a favorite for the job. The fans want him, some for his managing experience since he did work his way through the minor system (IMO like a manager should), some want him because he is one of the premier, class act players of our generation. The only problem would be, what would happen if he didn’t get the job? I hope that he would hold no hard feelings or resentment and i also hope there wouldn’t be a fan backlash.

~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will

by unretrofied93 on Aug 23, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see fan backlash.

But I bet he’d leave the organization for a big-league managing opportunity.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be interesting

If we were able to pry Joe Girardi from the Yankees, and then they took Ryno to replace him…….highly unlikely though

~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will

by unretrofied93 on Aug 23, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha -- that's an interesting thought.

But the Yankees would go for someone like Don Mattingly, I think.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

I do believe if Girardi left NY, Mattingly would be the next choice.

And it would be a very popular move there.

You don’t think there would be fan backlash if Sandberg were passed over? It depends, I think, on who he was passed over for.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.

I was assuming the Cubs would pass on Ryno only if they had someone who clearly would be better.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

And...

… in my opinion, the only man who fits that description is Joe Girardi.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

With the way things are

I’d let the bat boy take a shot for a few games, hell, wouldn’t it be something to see Ron in the dugout calling the shots

~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will

by unretrofied93 on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Passed

I think that whoever Sandberg was passed over for would limit the backlash/anger of most fans. I just don’t want to see him leave the organization if someone offers him a position because of a questionable managerial hire.

~Ronald Reagan has held the two most demeaning jobs in the country; President of the United States and radio broadcaster for the Chicago Cubs~ George F. Will

by unretrofied93 on Aug 23, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Backlash versus MEANINGFUL backlash

The only two people who (realistically) could be picked over Sandberg are Girardi and Quade.

Quade could get the job if he somehow makes the Cubs good for the rest of the season. That’s extremely unlikely, but if it happens, the Cubs can point to a good September and Quade’s MANY years of managing and coaching (compared with Sandberg’s four). Some fans would complain, but not many.

And no Cubs fan who knows anything about baseball would object (at least, not strenuously) if Joe Girardi, former manager of the world champion Yankees, gets the job over Sandberg.

I’d lay odds than there’s very little chance anyone else (Fredi Gonzalez, Bob Brenly, Bruce Bochy, etc.) who has more than a very slim chance at getting hired. It’s possible that the hiring of a fringe candidate could produce backlash.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct.

I don’t think I’d put Quade on that short list, but maybe the next 37 games will change my mind.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

The other scenario that might minimize "backlash"

would be the hiring of another veteran name manager to a 2 year contract with Ryno as bench coach, with a most implicit understanding that Ryno would take over in 2 years.

Torre is the only one I can think of that fits the bill, with the Cubs definitely being the last stop of his career. And this only works if Ricketts decides to invest big-time in club for 2011 and go for it right away.

Otherwise, we’re probably better off with a long-term manager solution now and letting him take his lumps in 2011 and possibly 2012.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

real question

is what was sandberg told/promised four years ago when he started managing?

the cubs knew there was a strong chance that they would be hiring a manager after the 2010 season. so sandberg did what the cubs asked him to do, in the time frame he had to do it, to become the next cubs manager. who out there is worth hiring that you would risk alienating sandberg and some percentage of the fan base?

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Girardi.

And I doubt any promises were made. What if Sandberg did terribly as a minor-league manager?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

But he didn't.

And I don’t think any promises were made to him four years ago. Remember, Lou only signed a three-year deal in 2006, not four. He was extended after 2008. (Or was it sometime last year? I forget.)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

good point

about the extension. still, my guess is that the cubs organization is not going to pass sandberg over for a “long term” candidate like girardi. so either sandberg gets the job now, or some arrangement is made where he becomes bench coach for someone like quade and picks up a couple more years of experience and gets the job a couple of years down the road.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quade, though, could be bench coach for Sandberg.

I could see that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

it'd just be nice to think

that the cubs anticipated this situation and are prepared to deal with it.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

i said

someone like quade, meaning, a short-term candidate.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would Quade be a short-term candidate?

The only way a new manager is short term walking in the door is if he’s older, like Lou was or like Torre.

Quade’s not that old, and he’s never managed before. I doubt he’d take the job in some sort of Crash Davis role for Sandberg.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

you keep saying that

like it means something. ryne sandberg the managerial candidate is ryne sandberg, legendary cub and hall of fame second baseman. you can’t separate the two. part of his resume as a manager is that he played for this organization for 15 years and understands the job. hell, he’s managing in the cubs organization “because he’s fucking ryno” so to pretend that who he is doesn’t matter, or shouldn’t factor into the equation is naive.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

First of all, I used NO profanity.

Second, the Cubs should hire the guy who would do the best job, not the guy who has the highest profile with the fans.

Of course everyone will KNOW what Sandberg did as a player — this isn’t like a blind taste test. But if Quade, Girardi or Fredi Gonzalez lose points because they didn’t make it to the Hall, then the Cubs are a dumb, dumb organization.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

They don't "lose" points for that reason.

But Sandberg definitely gains them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sandberg gaining has the same effect as the other guys losing points.

I think you and I agree, Al. But I don’t want Sandberg’s popularity to be anything more than a nice bonus if he’s hired.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

The popularity is a bonus, not the reason to do it. I think the Cubs would take that bonus, wouldn’t you?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

just because

sandberg is the most popular candidate for the job doesn’t make him a bad candidate, for the job. it is possible that he is both the popular choice AND the right choice. you can’t exclude him because people might want him for the wrong reasons.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where did I say that?

I didn’t say Sandberg should be removed from the managerial search because he’s popular. I said that his popularity should not be more than a nice bonus in hiring him.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

i like how

you mocked Al for suggesting that his popularity was a bonus and now you are taking credit for that idea. you have stated over and over that his popularity shouldn’t be considered at all, ignoring the fact that doing so is impossible and naive.

but that argument also assumes (whether you intended it or not) that if you remove popularity from the equation he would lose on merit. it seems pretty clear you want girardi and not sandberg so you are trying to paint anyone that wants sandberg with the kool aid brush.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't mock, Al. Not at all.

I questioned him when he said Sandberg’s popularity as a player was one of the reasons he should be ahead of Quade in the pecking order. I disagree.

Sandberg’s popularity is a side bonus at most. I didn’t intend to take credit for that term — if I did that, I apologize.

But saying his popularity shouldn’t be considered is not saying the same thing as saying that Sandberg’s popularity should count against him. Good grief.

You and I don’t seem to speak the same language. I suggest we end this now, before we get more annoyed with each other.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

you dont’ seem to know what you are saying and keep backtracking on what you actually said. if you’re not in politics, you should be.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shut the hell up.

I was trying to end this without getting personal. I can see that you weren’t smart enough to see that.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

or else what?

you felt the need to take a parting shot so i did the same. deal with it.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

I was trying to end this nicely. I’m doing so now, in the style of TJ.

Circuitclout is amazing!!!!!

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right on the last point.

But I was trying to end this with a “we don’t speak the same language” agreement. I really, honestly was.

And I am again. Let’s go about our business and just avoid each other. Let’s stick a fork in what has devolved into ugliness.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

we don't speak the same language

and saying you are annoyed with me are round-about ways of insulting me. it’s not like i don’t know that.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude.

We were both annoyed at each other. And I said that. It was pretty obvious. It was also pretty obvious that we weren’t speaking the same language, which I didn’t see as an insult.

And the fact that my attempt to resolve the argument actually pissed you off shows, again, that we don’t speak the same language. And that’s not an insult.

OK? We done?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. The irony.

No, I just want this resolved.

If you had said, “Yes, we’re done,” I would have opened a bottle of champagne at this point.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey!

this side of the screen is MY territory! :P

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Amazing Elgato!

sounds like a great stage name…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could team up with

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why would Sanberg's popularity even matter?

This is what matters, IMHO

1) Sandberg has a winning record for 3 out of 4 seasons in the minors and will likely have been to the playoffs twice in those 4 years.

2) He also happens to be a HOF 2nd basemen who knows the Wrigley culture that Lou openly loathed. Another + for Sanberg. He’s not going to get all flustered and be at a loss for words when the nitwits like Paul Sullivan, Phil Rogers, Dave Kaplan, etc… ask him about the goat, curse, 103 years yada yada.

3) Most young Cubs players that played for him in the minors rave about him.

4) He went to the minors to learn the trade as Hendry asked, showing that he’s serious about wanting the job and has been successful

Some may say he’s too even keel, doesn’t get fired up, yet he’s been ejected 20+ times in 4 seasons.

If we can’t get Girardi, Hendry would be an idiot not to hire Sanberg. That would be just another reason to fire our idiot GM!

by magicblue on Aug 23, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with your four points.

Point one is WHY he’s so popular. But his popularity, on its own, should not be a reason for hiring him.

I’m not totally on board with your final statement. I agree that Sandberg appears to be the second best candidate as of now, though.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying his popularity is derived from his success in the minor leagues?

Because that’s not the way I’m interpreting it. And “popularity” in its literal sense is no reason to get the job. Points 1-4 are legitimate reasons based on his record between the lines and in the dugout

The way I view the statement “Sandberg is the popular candidate” is that he’s the popular candidate because the fan’s like him because he’s a former Cubs legend who is also in the HOF, not because of his resume.

The more pertinent question is why don’t you believe Sandberg is the best candidate. I’d rather have him than another outside guy who doesn’t understand all the idiosyncrasies that go into managing the Cubs. That is a quality in the current list of candidates that only Girardi and Ryno possess, maybe Pat Listach as well….

by magicblue on Aug 23, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring to Sandberg's popularity from his time as a Cub.

I think Joe Girardi is the best choice. He has big league coaching and managing experience. He knows the unique pressures of Cubdom, and he’s successfully managed in the most pressure-packed environment there is, NYC.

That said, I don’t think Girardi will be available, and Sandberg would probably be a good pick. He’s just not my top choice.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sandberg, at the moment.

I’m willing to see if Quade sets the world on fire or if somebody else comes out of the woodwork.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mean to nitpick but you just said
Sandberg would probably be a good pick. He’s just not my top choice.

so Sandberg is your top choice, if Girardi isn’t available and if Quade fails?

by magicblue on Aug 23, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

but Girardi had no experience

when he went to Fl and did pretty good there. I would like Girardi first too, but would have total confidence that Ryno could do the job if Girardi isnt available.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mostly agree.

I don’t know about ‘total confidence’ — but I think Sandberg is the second best choice.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed.

That could have an impact on getting even Girardi. Unless the Cubs say they are gonna go hard after it, why would he want to come over?. Where Ryno would come up even without major moves, most likely

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another reason ...

Girardi likely won’t be the next manager.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, because he's expressed interest before ...

and because he hasn’t re-signed yet. It’s very unlikely, but not impossible, that he could be the next Cub manager.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny ...

but not necessarily comparable situations. We KNOW how bad the 2010 Cubs are. We don’t know what Girardi, Hendry, the Yankees, et. al are thinking.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

I’d want to return to the Yankees, and I’d think that is almost certainly what will happen. But if it didn’t, I’d be open to checking out what the Cubs are offering.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

A chance to come back to the greatest park in MLB, manage in front of some of the best fans in the game, live in one of the best cities in the country, work for a passionate owner with deep pockets, and the chance to do something that hasn’t been done for a really long time.

Yeah, there’s no comparison w.r.t. current club talent levels, but if I was sold on the long term plans/strategy/vision offered up by ownership, I’d certainly consider it. Wouldn’t you?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh-huh.....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I only throw Girardi's name around whenever I see...

…someone say the Yankees will never let that happen, the Yankees aren’t going to let him go, the Yankees shit don’t stink, etc. etc.

The simple fact is it’s not totally up to the Yankees. Joe has a voice in this too. And the possibility exists, however remote, that Joe just might rather come back to Chicago and manage the Cubs than stay in NY.

It amuses me that some people are so quick to say we don’t know what Hendry, Ricketts, et al, are thinking when others question their decisions, yet they somehow know exactly what Girardi is thinking.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But,

I think the Ricketts will go after it.I think as ’fans" they know how the cubs fans feel, and seeing all the empty seats has to bother them. They invested in this team, and I dont think they want to see it fail. We will see, but I for one think we will be competitive in the offseason.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you.

They have to be, or they risk losing a significant chunk of the fanbase.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think after Lou

that the belief that the Cubs job is some cushy job, is gone. Both Dusty and Lou saw what the pressure in Chicago is like and its well documented. Ryno understands the need to win in Chicago and can handle it.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure.

But so can Joe Girardi.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sure knows how to handle losing in Chicago...

his playing days gave him that experience.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we want a former Cub ...

he will be someone who has been through his share of losing seasons.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup.

So if we want someone who understands the unique pressures …

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't care about that...

I want someone who understands how to best use the talent they have on the roster and will use it accordingly.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well sure! Why should WE be the only ones to suffer?

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sandberg has a winning record for 3 out of 4 seasons in the minors and will likely have been to the playoffs twice in those 4 years.

And to think, if he managed the Cubs and brought home that record… well, people would call him an idiot, apparently.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Drew!

Its exactly the same as Lou!

The last two years, Lou has been at the top of his game!

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

depends...would he decided to start doing inexcusable dumb things over and over again...

and then shrug and pretend he’s out of ideas? Because Sandberg was literally my boyhood HERO, but if he managed the bassackwards way Lou did these past two years….I’d say he was an idiot without blinking an eyelash. I would make me sad, but it would be the truth. Emotions shouldn’t cloud reality…regardless of one’s past accomplishments.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't agreed with you much on this.

However, you are correct. Sandberg, if hired, needs to be held to the same standards as anyone in the job.

I don’t think I’d call him names, but I wouldn’t hesitate to call him out if I thought he was wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts needs to put 3 million butts in the seats in 2011, the 2010 team is bad, and there may not be many sexy roster moves for 2011

That is why popularity matters…whether it be Sandberg or another manager who can be used to pump pre-season ticket sales.

It is quite possible that Sandberg would be good, too.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll add one more point to Quade's side of the argument

his experience in different organizations, with different philosophies, should be considered a huge plus, considering the Cubs organization is often considered old school, despite the slow changes they are trying to make. When the other organization he was with was the A’s at the turn of the century, and when he was responsible for instilling fundamentals about plate discipline in the minor league level, that accentuates that positive for me.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I were Sandberg, and offered to come to Chicago to manage the Cubs for the rest of 2010.....

…….I would have no qualms about packing my bags and catching the first flight to O’Hare. Come on: the Cubs or AAA Iowa??? What do you think?

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Aug 23, 2010 8:23 AM CDT reply actions  

He would probably take the job ...

but it might not be the best thing for him. Anyway, the organization probably wants time to evaluate Sandberg, Quade and other options (like waiting on Girardi). Putting Quade there for five weeks makes the most sense, because Quade knows the team (better than Sandberg does), it gives Hendry more time and it gives Quade, who managed Iowa as long as Sandberg has, a quick test drive.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops ...

Quade actually managed Iowa for four seasons.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Long Wait for Girardi

I can see Girardi managing the Cubs in the latter part of his managing career. There’s no way Joe is going to leave the Yankees after just three seasons as skipper to come back to Chicago.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mt. Prospect, actually.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yay!

The old hometown!

Ah, a PHS grad managing the Cubs… maybe I’m next?

"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella

by PacificCub on Aug 23, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel a little like calling out: The king is dead! Long live the king!

All the best to Lou and Mike.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Aug 23, 2010 8:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone know what kind of manager

Quade was when he was in Triple-A Iowa?

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 23, 2010 8:47 AM CDT reply actions  

There are two current Cubs who played for Quade at Iowa...

… Sean Marshall and Carlos Marmol. (Micah Hoffpauir did, too.) I imagine the reporters will ask them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't really find anything, sorry.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me neither.

Thanks though.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 23, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

The indications I've heard

were that he was a guy who got along with all the players and worked hard at developing relationships. There’s some other stuff, like he was a guy who worked hard on fundamentals with players.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

You see Mike Quade

I see the bald headed man from Fringe.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

His nickname should be

“The Observer”

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Aug 23, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best of luck to Quade!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder if Quade is the type of manager that would take a player to task if he was not hustling....

The players especially a few of them are quite comfy not running things out and just once I would like to see a Cub manager pull someone during a game for loafing.

As far as Quade is concerned as manager, you would think its a good thing for some of the younger players. I have a feeling Colvin will relax mare and finish strong without the threat of constant benching.

I also agree with Al that maybe some of the younger catchers will get to play more.

Maybe Quade is the right guy. If he is great….But if its more of the same, Nady, Hill, Soriano, Dome, Baker, for the rest of the year……he can go away quickly.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Fukudome should get playing time.

The Cubs have to try to boost his trade value.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

There won't be more than a handful of callups.

Most of those who would have ordinarily been September callups are already here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with Lou and Kosuke lately ...

was the Lou could have started Kosuke AND Colvin on many occasions. Soriano is not hitting that well, Byrd could use the occasional day off and Nady should not be playing the outfield.

Lou did start Colvin for one game in left, but Colvin should be playing almost every day, maybe sitting against lefties.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think that’s what you’ll see, in fact, now that Colvin is adding 1B to his repertoire.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we will never know why this was not happeneing already.

I wonder if Colvin pissed him off.

Soriano has similar stats in many more AB’s….Maybe if the contracts were closer in size, it would be different. Same with Dome….

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my theory:

I said this last night in another thread. I think the playoff failures in 2007 and 2008 and last year’s August collapse made Lou be more of a by-the-book manager. He stopped doing innovative things — i.e. moving Theriot to short in 2007 — and started making safer choices. Playing veterans instead of young players is, in a manner of speaking, a safer choice.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

You may be on to something.

And, in fact, doing that is exactly the wrong reaction to the failures.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW, TJ ...

this thought first popped into my head when you compared Colvin with Jake Fox.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two other things happened, I think, as a result.

The Cubs overpaid for Grabow, because Lou realized the bullpen would otherwise be full of unknowns (other than Marmol and Marshall). Unfortunately, Lou didn’t realize that Grabow was the wrong pick.

Same thing with re-signing Howry, although at least the Cubs didn’t overpay there.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe the Cubs signed Howry...

… because he has a reputation as a good clubhouse guy. They thought he could help there, and also maybe pitch well enough to help stabilize a young bullpen.

When that didn’t happen and the team fell out of contention, there was no reason to keep him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is it with good clubhouse guys?

Winning teams are happier than losing teams. We supposedly had a great clubhouse this year, yet our W/L record is worse than the Bradley year. How can any intelligent GM bring in a pitcher like Howry who was released by a lousy team and had a ERA around 10?

Bring in Bill Murray to make the players laugh if we need that. But no one with a terrible record like Howry should ever have been signed to improve clubhouse gaiety. That move smacked of the lack of direction that has impeded the team since the monopoly money ran out for Hendry.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying.

But who was Howry blocking? Marcos Mateo?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i.e. After winning 97-games: “We need a left-handed bat.”

/facepalm I’m still having trouble getting over that one. Still.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me, too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd guess that the left handed excuse

was the best one they could come up with. You tell a lie often enough and pretty soon even the liars begin to believe it.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

and your proof that they

(I presume you mean Hendry and Lou) were lying is…

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and your proof the they weren't?

it’s always the same argument with you. You demand the unprovable and defend it with the same.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not the one making the assertion.

Back up your statements. I take them at their word. I don’t suggest it wasn’t a mistake. It was. But expecting malice? Give me a break.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Until I have a reason not to.

That’s yet to happen. Oh, wait. When the Browns left Cleveland after Modell said they weren’t. There. That guy? Liar.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So barring the team moving to Indianapolis...

they get to say whatever they want and you buy it.

Prior/Wood will start throwing from flat ground/have a bullpen session/throw a sim game soon…

Zambrano has been placed in a “program” and will apologize to him team and is committed to being better.

Colvin is going to get 3 starts a week.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just have no reason

to think that they’re lying all the time. I can disagree with their decisions without thinking that they’re deliberately deceiving me. It’s not like they can tell the future or anything, nor can they actually play the game for the players.

Of course, I also think that I’m not supposed to be privy to their every move, unlike a whole bunch of people who, were they given the chance to be a GM, would utterly suck.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Lou said Colvin would get 3 starts a week repeatedly and didn't do it, was it a lie?

Last week when he said Colvin was going to start the next day and waited 3, was it a lie?

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

he changed his mind.

He’s the manager. He’s allowed to do that, and best of all, he doesn’t answer to you.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said...

for a guy that goes out of his way to point out how we shouldn’t judge players and others people.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I fail to see

how there’s a contradiction.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

but of course

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if they were Lying or just making excuses....

But the team had just won 97 games…..Adding Bradley to the mix was just about the most stupid thing you could do.

Everybody but Hendry and about 3 fans knew this……And Everybody was right except those 4 people…..

Now 2 years later we still might be going after Dunn.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally, I think the left handed thing

was a good idea that was poorly executed. Milton Bradley wasn’t the only guy who could hit from the left side and play RF that was available.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

And those of us who wanted him in the first place 2 years ago are glad...

and even gladder that 1b will be open so at least his awful OF defense won’t be much of a factor.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Colvin's work at first

Is to make signing another guy like Nady unnecessary, not so much an audition for the full time job.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not signing another Nady = A Good Thing

That was $3M spent with little or no payoff.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

wasted money made in the Bradley deal, who should never have been signed in the first place.

Who wouldn’t have been needed if Dome had been what he was supposed to ……and on and on and on….

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness...the Dome deal wasn't outright stupid.

Hendry should get a pass for that one.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to be a party pooper, but...

I hope the 1st 5 ground balls go right through Colvin’s legs, so there will be NO doubt they’ll need a 1B next year. Nothing against Colvin…he needs to stay in the OF. Enter Adam Dunn.

Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you think ground balls going through legs is a reason to sign Adam Dunn...

I have bad news for you.

P.S. I’m an Adam Dunn fan.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why weren't you over on that "Colvin to 1B" thread a couple days ago?...

those guys beat me to death on the Adam Dunn potential FA signing. It was brutal.

Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry man...I can't be everywhere.

Deal with it.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Work on that

Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!

by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I remember that.

I just perused it, didn’t actually comment in it.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty indifferent about Dunn

All I care about is not giving him more than a 3 year contract.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true.

Enough of these five-year deals already.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least now

it makes sense to go after Dunn, somewhat. We actually need a proven 1B with a decent bat, now. The ‘08, 97-game winners, needed zero improvement. Zero. Lou’s excuse to the frustrated Cub masses was, “we need a left-handed bat”. No we didn’t. We needed nothing…except to not have a 3-game losing streak in October. Did that team lose every game to a decent RHP that season. Absolutely not. A “left-handed bat” wasn’t going to win that series. But, since a lot fans demand improvements and adjustments when confronted with failure, the Cubs thought they needed to make one…and made a devastatingly bad one.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

That team really needed someone who could bunt his way on and steal a base.

The 2007 and 2008 teams didn’t have any real ability to manufacture runs, and that was part of their problems in the playoffs.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan and his ego approve.

Todd Hollandsworth; "So, Starlin, do you like hitting in the two-hole?"
Starlin Castro; "Yeah, I hit second."

The Face of the Chicago Cubs.

by Ryno Runner on Aug 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...that's why the 2008 team led the league in runs scored

"...the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back." Ryne Sandberg 7/31/05

by shifafaontheside on Aug 23, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2008 team featured career years ...

from just about everyone, and several guys left and needed to be replaced. Kerry Wood is one of my all-time favorites, but Hendry was smart to let him walk.

Gregg was clearly not the answer. But standing pat after 2008 was NOT an option.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

How was it NOT an option?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that the Cubs needed a closer.

Are you saying you would have given the job to Marmol?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

In hindsight, it probably would have been a better decsion.

I guess Hendry and Lou didn’t think Marmol was ready.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guzman also could have done better.

But if you told me that you don’t think he was ready for the pressure in the ninth inning (closing close games), I’d be inclined to agree with you.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So there's no question he wasn't considered for closer.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which other closers were available after 2008?

I remembered Gregg from before that year, when he gave up the game-winning home run to Daryle Ward in a game the Cubs stole in Florida.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want to come off as a

“if we only would’ve done [blank] we would’ve won”, because that’s not right. I was merely getting back to the original point elgato made: “I think the playoff failures in 2007 and 2008 and last year’s August collapse made Lou be more of a by-the-book manager.”

And I think “we need a left-handed bat” was a ‘by-the-book’ response. “Well, solid RHP pitching killed us in that series, I guess we need a left-handed bat.”

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they wanted a LH bat...

… why not just keep Jim Edmonds? He did a solid job and could have continued to platoon with Reed Johnson.

Oh, and if the Cubs had won the division in ’09 with that LH bat? They would have faced the Dodgers again — except in 2009, the Dodger rotation had two lefthanded starters and two key LH relievers (Kuo and Sherrill).

Get hitters that can hit. Doesn’t matter what side they hit from.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Logic!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

I can stop, if you want.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The pain! The pain!

Brain….hurts…from…electrons…flowing….

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because...

…Jim Hendry had a nice dinner with Bradley.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's what Ricketts has to do.

Stop paying for dinners with free agents.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or...

…make sure the guy having dinner with FA’s makes better decisions.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, go with the seared halibut with seasonal vegetable medley

instead of the prime rib with baked potato and sour cream

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have the mercury levels in the fish checked first...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a problem

Just hang the fish in the freezer until all the mercury drops down to their tails, then cut off the tails.

That’s how we used to deal with it for all the Lake Erie perch & walleye we caught in the 70s…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are, I hope, joking

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Aug 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes I am

we never had to worry about freezing them, especially the ones we caught in the Cuyahoga River – they’d already be cooked by the time we landed them! ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what happens when the Lake is on fire...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh. I played with mercury all the time as a kid in the '60s.

We’d break open outdoor thermometers and then push the mercury around with sticks. Wud we know? We were kids.

Mrs. Zeke would say that it DOES explain a few things though…

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

50 years later

An old 50’s thermometer falls down and breaks in our basement, mercury spreads across the floor, my wife is crying because she thinks our 9 month old is going to end up disabled because of it.

Thank you modern health media.

by Danwood on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be right over with my stick...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

+100000000000000

The whole lefty-righty obsession is one of the reasons the Cubs are in the mess they’re in right now.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems like Fukudome was deemed to not be a full time player after 2008

I assume going forward with having him, Edmonds, and Reed Johnson wasn’t what Hendry wanted, since none of them are full time players.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd guess you are capable

of distinguishing the difference between I’d guess and I know. However, I have no proof of that.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was because Colvin hasn't played 1B since college?

He’s been exclusively an OF since summer, 2006.

As it is, they’re tossing him out there with about a week’s time of taking ground balls, without even one spring training of drills at the position. They could have found more time in the OF for Colvin, but I would say they’re rushing things with this move to 1B.

And it could be Lou didn’t want to put an untested player out there against a team in the pennant race. That’s one of the unwritten rules, IIRC. If we blow a game against Washington, it’s no real harm.

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 23, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rotations did not seem to be Lou's thing

He like to put in “his guys” and ride with them.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it was a good decision

The Cubs don’t need a “faceman” they need a good nuts n’ bolts baseball manager. Quade has done a good job at 3B coach and he was a very “hands on” manager for Iowa before that (at least he was when he came here to play the AAA Nashville Sounds.) The Cubs will have a chance to evaluate him for the next 6 weeks; Ryne Sandberg is involved in a minor league pennant race in Des Moines so we’ll get a good opportunity to evaluate him as well. Right now it looks like a three-way race to me between Quade, Sandberg and Brenly.

by eamus-catuli on Aug 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought Brenly

wanted no part of that dugout, and that he likes the confines of the booth much better. I know that’s not a direct quote, but I thought he shared that sentiment at some point within the past year or so. No?

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I believe he has said that many times.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

He also told the Score last week ...

that he’d be interested in managing the Cubs or other teams. So who knows?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on the situation, I suppose.

He’d probably not go back to Arizona, for example.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know that was mentioned as a possibility.

But I can’t remember if he actually interviewed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Managers make millions, local TV analysts hundreds of thousands.

I’m not sure if he has other kids around the house and prefers the 6-hour a day TV job over the 11-hour a day manager’s job.. but I’m pretty sure there will be a time Brenly will entertain coming back to the dugout in a decent situation.

by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 23, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard him

say in two interviews this year that he wants to manage again.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

As far as Trammell goes....

I wonder if he was interviewed along with Quade and JH and/or Ricketts just liked Quade’s answers better.

Maybe they want the younger players to play more and Quade was more open to this.
Who knows…..

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I was wondering about that earlier today, actually.

I wonder if the Cubs’ lack of success when Trammell was managing this year is the reason he’s not in charge now.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imagine the uproar if Trammell was hired

and the team played poorly again. Ricketts would lose all credibility with the fans. At least with Sandberg or Girardi, Cub supporters would be willing to accept a degree of rebuiding losses. Tram has never won and he has no cred here as he did in Detroit.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

played poorly this year or next?

because the team isn’t going to be much better next year either.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the next few years

because if he were hired permanently, he’d be getting at least a 3 year contract.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

and short of some minor miracle...

this organization isn’t going to be very good for the first two of those 3 years.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm shocked

Am I to understand that Jim Hendry has mislead us when he assured that 3-4 moves would turn things around?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm shocked you'd ask me to restate what everyone who follows the Cubs has been talking about
I’m here to tell you it’s not some kind of a major rebuilding job," Jim said. "When you start seeing the improvement in the young people that we have and the type of young arms that we have and the arms that we have coming, you make three or four solid moves in the off-season and your young guys keep developing, then you’re right back to being a contending team, and that’s the way we’re going to go about it.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK...now back to my question.....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You do have a point.

When did JH say that?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be completely honest,

I think it’s going to take more than 3 or 4 moves. 3 or 4 moves, next year’s product might be a little better than this year’s, but they’re going to have to make even more moves in the offseason of 2011-2012 to make this all work out.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Drew thinks of Hendry's proclamation?

The catch to the whole “3 or 4 moves” is …

“When you start seeing the improvement in the young people that we have and the type of young arms that we have and the arms that we have coming…

Hendry phrased it that way on purpose.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No idea.

I do have a hard time buying some of that, based upon the way the rookies have played this year. Flashy, but wildly inconsistent.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

They may still turn out to be good....

but it’s obvious that they’re not ML ready now.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

This.

Either they’re lights-out, or they’re giving up base hit after base hit.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

that if they make the right moves, and the existing players improve, we got a shot. We always got a shot.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's nice...you perfectly summed up Hendry's commet in your own words.

Could you give us your opinion of what Jim Hendry said now?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the question.

There’s nothing to have an opinion on. It’ll work or it won’t. There’s too many variables to judge.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And as the season progresses...

…we’ll need a shot. We always need a shot.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take a lemon-drop

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was said on August 6th

well after the bullpen had imploded numerous times

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, just maybe...

…they could compete for the division with 3-4 really smart moves.

There is one caveat, one of the move must be Hendry going bye bye.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Legends Can Get Fired, Too

I hope Sandberg, if hired, will have a better won-loss record with the Cubs than Trammell had with Detroit, but Trammell was a Tigers legend that got fired after a fairly short stint by Detroit. The same thing could happen to Sandberg in Chicago. I don’t know what to make of Trammell’s managerial tenure in Detroit. His record was bad, but that was a reflection of the undeveloped talent that the Tigers had back then.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about the undeveloped talent.

Trammell’s record was 43-119 in ‘03; 72-90 in ’04 and 71-91 in ’05.
Leyland took over in ’06 and went 95-67 and 88-74 in ’07.
THant speaks volumes about Trammell’s abilty to win.

"...the name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back." Ryne Sandberg 7/31/05

by shifafaontheside on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are assuming the roster remained intact all of those years.

It didn’t. The roster Tram had in 2003 was very different than Leyland had in 2006.

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed with respect to Fukudome, although hopefully it won’t interfere much with Byrd’s or Colvin’s playing time. Also I’d like to see Quade fill out lineup cards according to who’s hitting and not according to seniority or salary.

by eamus-catuli on Aug 23, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Presumably...

… Colvin will be playing a lot of 1B, which would mean Byrd & Fukudome both start in the outfield.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

so how would that work exactly?

if you go 0-for-4 you get benched the next day, and sit until your replacement goes 0-for-4?

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

With Nady, Soriano, and Dome as the others, that would not take long....

But those players seemed to have a longer rope with Lou.

Hill had a never ending rope for some reason.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

soriano and fukudome have been above average hitters this year (by ops+) so their presence in the lineup seems to be justified. nady has been in the lineup and hitting of late. hill is a backup catcher, he isn’t relied on for his offensive production anyway.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true....but when the lineup is dictated by how big your salary is, its hard to get in there if you are a kid.

If he had a SS making Tejada money, do you think Castro would have been up this season? Even if the veteran was having a horrid year?

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dictating a lineup by how big the player's salary is...

regardless of performance is just about the dumbest thing a manager can do. Look how that line of thinking worked out for us this year.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I am saying....

After the last few years, would Soriano and Dome even be on this team this year if they made the same as Colvin? He beat them both out of a job in the spring.

If Lee and ARam made a low salary would they have kept playing while their avg stayed around .200 or lower? Let alone batted 3-4?
Their stats went up when the team fell out of contention.

I just want a manager who will put the best players out there everyday, regardless of contract. Also one that will not put up dogging it.

Losing could be handled better if the fans, who for the most part are not stupid, saw a team that was busting their ass and a manager who was playing his best players everyday.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

but technically

soriano and fukudome have performed.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

at about a league avg level.....

Dome is a 4th OF and Soriano is nowhere near what he used to be.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

slightly above league average

if you’re going to replace them might as well replace byrd too.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let it Dernier at 1st base

Maybe if Bob was around this team on a daily basis, things like baserunning would improve.

by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

That’s probably what will happen Al although I regret it. Colvin is real versatile at all three outfield positions and that’s a good thing to have. Hopefully we’ll get a 1B through free agency.

by eamus-catuli on Aug 23, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope it is Dernier

He was at the 2010 Cubs fantasy camp and is the coolest guy in the world. Plus, he flat out believes that Sandberg will deliver us to the promised land in 2012.

The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!

by VegasCubFan on Aug 23, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd love to see ...

Girardi as manager and Sandberg as his bench coach. I know it’s extremely unlikely.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

that would be something to see

but as you said, unlikely.

The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!

by VegasCubFan on Aug 23, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet Sandberg would ...

take a bench coach job if the Cubs hired an old, top-line manager like Joe Torre. But short of that, Sandberg probably wouldn’t be second banana to anyone.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and I don't think he'd be asked to do that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, too.

I’d actually kinda prefer Sandberg be a bench coach under someone like Torre, first, before taking the manager job himself. But, I’m just a guy with major league experience that includes such attributes as walking through a turnstile, keeping score, eating a hot dog and drinking a beer while watching a game…just to name a few…so, Ryno could very well be ready to go from day one.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Aug 23, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we did that, we may as well get Mark Grace to coach 1st base

Maybe Luiz Visciano to coach 3rd, Greg Maddux to be the pitching coach and Andre Dawson as the hitting coach.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Aug 23, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Er… JOSE Vizciano.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Aug 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be overjoyed

to have Maddux as the pitching coach.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't get scared Drew!!!!!!!!!

But I totally agree with you on this one!!!!!!!!!!!

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn, that would be fine

Maybe a waste of some of Mad Dog’s baseball intellect, but he could sure teach guys how to make their talent count. Doubt he would do it, at least not until his kids are in college.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember Quade here at Rockford

When it was the Expos’ affiliate in 89-90. Nice guy, knew his stuff.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Aug 23, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions  

If Sandberg...

…was the Cubs first choice, he should be hired shortly after the season ends. If he isn’t, it will tell you the Cubs feel there are better options out there (for what they are looking for) and they are waiting until those guys become available (after the playoffs are done).

If Sandberg is hired after the WS, it means it didn’t work out with other guys they may have had higher on their list.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

cough...Girardi...cough

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Concur

I would hope that they have a list of criteria already established and weighted. I would imagine then that they have run all of the possibly candidates through the list. It is then possible that the results are too close to call for a couple to a few of the candidates. Hence, they need to do more in depth analysis which would include interviewing. Certainly, as you state if someone becomes unavailable, then it would change things. However, I don’t think that if Sandberg is hired after the WS it means it did not work out with the other guys. It could mean that Sandberg was just better….

"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root

by TheRiot Police on Aug 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the over/under on the number of times Quade's name will be mispronounced by broadcasters over these last weeks?

KAY-d
Kay-dee
KWAY-d (most likely in my opinion)
Kw-AH-d
Kway-DEE
Kw-AH-dee

Others?

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Seriously.

I wouldn’t be shocked if the PA announcer in DC gets it wrong tonight.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

ok... how IS it pronounced?

I thought it was KWAY’d myself … haven’t been listening to radio/tv so I have no clue

by Emelie on Aug 23, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kw-AH-dee

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Zee-KEE

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's MISTER Zee-ZEE.

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joke fail. What the President meant to say was:

“That’s MISTER Zee-KEE.”

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quade and the Cubs

It will be interesting to see what Quade does with the in-game managing between now and the end of the season. The one thing I like about considering him for next manager is the anti big recognizable name aspects of this. I have no idea who will be the next manager and I hope they choose a good one without giving wide public recognition any weight in the decision at all. Cubs brass are inside the organization and should know what they want their manager to contribute and who they think has the best chance of achieving their goals.

I don’t really think that minor league players are going to play in the major leagues this year and in the following years, and just get better because they are playing in the major leagues. Some will get better and some won’t improve. For the rest of this season it doesn’t matter, but when the next season starts it is much more important to get as many of the big underperforming contracts off the books as possible. Assuming they get salvage value and prospects for the underperformers traded, this is what should get as much talent on the major league field as possible. The losses on these players should help avoid overinvesting in players for possible short term gain.

by AboutTheCubs on Aug 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Quade's Record In Iowa
2003 70 72 .493 3rd in Central Out of Playoffs
2004 79 64 .552 1st in Central Lost in Finals
2005 64 75 .460 4th in American North Out of Playoffs
2006 76 68 .528 2nd in American North Out of Playoffs

from Mike Quade’s wikipedia page

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't judge his ability as a manager by the W-L minor league record.

Wins and losses take a back seat to player development and determining if a player can meet the demands of their positions; ie: eschewing player (righty/lefty) match-ups late in a close game to see if a left handed hitter can be successful against a tough lefty reliever or leaving a struggling fielder in to see if they can play through their ‘Dr. Strangeglove’ moment, etc.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

True Enough

I figured I’d post his Iowa Cubs managerial record in case fans were curious about it.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Aug 23, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

For those in the "Quade was named manager as a favor for longtime service" camp...

…that can only mean one thing. Ladies & Gentlemen – meet our new 1B coach:

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 11:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually, that wouldn't be the worst idea.

He’s a great guy and has a reputation as a mentor to younger players. He’ll make a fine coach when he quits playing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, now you're asking Jessica to show up.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's get it started!

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

He sure is!

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he'll knock you on your can if you crowd the plate...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, It wasn't pretty.

I wanted to see a change, but not see him go out like that. I wish him and his family well and will always remember the Pinella years, for the good, and the bad. Overall, IMO, more good than bad.

"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra

by imacubman on Aug 23, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that didn't tug at

your heart strings you don’t have a heart.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lost it when he said

that this will be the last time he’ll have the uniform on.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 24, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes me too.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 24, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see some pictures of Quade where we can see what he looks like, not like THIS:

I likely wouldn’t recognize him if he passed me on the street…

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone feel like eating a hard boiled egg?

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just shaking it here, boss...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

he looks like this, of course.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

They stole that look from

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like he caught his frank and beans in his zipper...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

some of those songs sound like that too...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember when I heard this album for the first time almost 40 years ago

totally blew my mind. I still listen to it now and again. Pure gold.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 24, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who probably got it from here

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like me every time I come to Wrigley...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

and Munch probably got it from here

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also how I look every time I come to Wrigley...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Workplace blocks this.

Damn firewall.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this a picture fail?

I’m not seeing it at home, either.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

guess.

I saw it when I posted, but when I went back to the thread, it was gone.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

At first, I thought it was a firewall issue.

I couldn’t see it at work, but that’s not a surprise. However, pictures that the firewall usually blocks still show up at home, and this one doesn’t.

What is it supposed to be a picture of?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arnold

in Total Recall, about to have his eyes pop out of his head.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Aug 23, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said it earlier

but I really think he’s the bald headed man from the TV show, Fringe.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Aug 23, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

First-base coach for the 2000-2002 A's?

Not a tough job there. “Billy says you should stay right here.” “Another take sign? OK…”

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by Clutch16 on Aug 23, 2010 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

But maybe some of that Moneyball stuff stuck

…like looking at matchups when constructing a lineup.

by ChipSet on Aug 23, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting on base is important?

The world's biggest BCS hater and damn proud of it!

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by MrNFL on Aug 23, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

For clogging purposes.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

keep in mind

that he was also a minor league manager in the A’s system, and their managers were asked to work on fundamentals and plate discipline, to get it engrained in the players.

by toonsterwu on Aug 23, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tonight's lineup

DeWitt 2B, Castro SS, Byrd CF, Ramirez 3B, Nady 1B, Colvin RF, Soriano LF, Soto C, Coleman P Not bad.

"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"

by Itchy on Aug 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

So who gets those pictures next year?

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hill

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuld.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna go with Justin Berg.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry

Scene: Tom Ricketts’ office, sometime next season…

Tom: Jim, I’m sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but you’re fired.
Jim: You can’t fire me – I have pictures!

(nonchalantly tosses incriminating 8×10 glossies onto desk then settles back in cushy chair with a smirk…)

Tom: Um, Jim… those are pictures of yourself…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very funny!!!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grabow or Shark

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez fourth, Nady fifth, Soto eighth.

It’s the same stuff people have complained about all year.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Idiots complained about Aramis when he was in a slump

but slump or not, he belongs batting 4th. Nady belongs on the DFA list.

"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"

by Itchy on Aug 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

When he was hitting .163 he should have been moved down.

Agreed about Nady…..Jim can’t seem to move him so release him before the deadline and let him try to find a team.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but if this lineup were hitting properly, Ramirez would be batting 7th

That is how he has been hitting. In the .160 slump, he simply should have been on the DL.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Care to rephrase that?

Since July 1, Ramirez is hitting .327/.363/.635 with 13 HR and 40 RBI in 42 games. That’s a .998 OPS and a pace for almost 50 HR and 160 RBI in a full season — MVP-level performance over 171 plate appearances.

He might wind up with decent full-season numbers after all.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's like 2006 all over again

Just goes to show you how important he is to this team’s success.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK - I hadn't looked at the overall

It has felt more like hot and cold, with most of the hot in that intial breakout streak he had and more cold since then.

I’d still like to see him get to more ground balls….

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He should have been hitting sixth.

Soriano, who had a better first half, should have been hitting fourth.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

So you were happy when Lee and Ramirez were a collective black hole at 3 and 4 for two months?

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

happy, no

frustrated, yes.
them’s the breaks.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

A "bad break" would have lasted a week at most.

I wonder if Lou kept hoping they would burst out of their slumps, which they never did.

If he had constructed a lineup that didn’t revolve around those two, the season might be different. It’s all in hindsight, unfortunately.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

Which is why I don’t get all the complaining about it. This team was not built to contend if 2 out of the 3 big guns (Aram, Lee, Soriano) don’t hit/are injured.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

The complaining stems from seeing two flat tires on a car and the driver just grinding the rims into the asphalt for miles and miles...

yeah he could pull over and put the bald spare tire on and pickup one of those tiny temporary spares and only go 35 mph the rest of the trip….but at least he’s actually going forward more than 5 mph.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're analogy would work better

If the flat tires could magically refill themselves.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is,

With flat tires, that usually doesn’t happen.

Even I thought that Lou should move those guys out of the 3-4 spots in the lineup.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I meant before then.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is, he magically refilled himself

Now if we want to talk about why he wasn’t on the DL when he should’ve been, that’s a different story, and sadly one we’ve seen before.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every time this happens,

You wish the player could have refilled himself sooner.

Now it’s great that Ramirez is tearing the cover off the ball, but I think it’s a case of too little, too late for the Cubs in 2010.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course you do

I’m not denying they sucked hard, but the alternatives were also simply too little. I get that people like to complain (I do it all the time), but these are also guys who have solid track records. We all know what they’re capable of. The fact that someone went and created a bot (TJ11) to specifically complain about it, though, seemed a little overboard.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

In this,

You and I are in complete agreement.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soto and Byrd were hitting almost the entire time Lee and Ramirez were MIA at the plate...

hell, even Soriano was occasionally helping the team….your argument regarding alternatives is puzzling.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think Lou was playing favorites?

i.e., sticking Lee and Ramirez at 3-4 regardless of how they were hitting because he had almost never constructed a lineup without those two there?

That could also be part of it.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Because that would be something very intriguing about this season, if indeed that was the case.

As you said earlier, the Cubs would still be bad … just maybe not quite as bad.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

He didn't refill himself, he went on the DL

And if he hadn’t, he would still be struggling. What was gained by putting it off?

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, but you get the idea.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

most if not all teams are built

on best-case scenarios. that’s why there are clever cliches about best laid plans.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

not sure

how realistic it is to expect the cubs to move both those guys down in the order and then know when to move them back. the cubs offense was pretty much built around a 3-4 of lee and ramirez. it’s a bad break that both struggled early in the year but i can’t blame the cubs for leaving them there and hoping for the best.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right in saying the Cubs were built around a 3-4 of Lee/Ramirez.

However, they need to do what they are put in those spots for … and that is, hitting the baseball. They simply were not getting on base for much of the year, whether by base hit or BB or anything.

PS: SWL, what has gotten into me today? You and I are in agreement about just about everything here.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a coincidence

that they didn’t hit and the cubs were bad.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did Lou un-retire?

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, don't you see that Colvin's playing?

"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"

by Itchy on Aug 23, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see Soto back in the lineup.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure what we are waiting for at 1b.......

But I will say Quade has balls for moving Soriano to 7th.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

What I would like to see at this point in the season.....

Dewitt/Barney 2B
Castro SS
Byrd CF
ARam 3B (He’s hitting now….)
Colvin 1B
Soto C
Soriano LF
Fuld RF
Coleman P

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Fukudome DH'ing then? Gotta play him to trade him.

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not holding my breath that any BIG move happens.

They might get Dunn and try and find bullpen help, but that’s all I see them really doing.

Dome could end up being a really expensive late inning defensive sub.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're probably right...this is gonna be a LONG 18 months...

because the Bears are gonna blow as bad as, if not worse than, the Cubs do.

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go Raiders.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're nothin' without JaMarcus Russel

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by Easy Ed on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least the Bears only blow once a week...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he's going to have a chance to DH in November.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assume Beef went down for Soto?

Please do not tell me Mateo went! That would wreck my season!

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Roster moves

Castillo & Fuld sent to Iowa.

Soto activated, Hoffpauir recalled.

I don’t understand this. If Colvin is getting 1B time, why do the Cubs need Hoffpauir?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Hendry is amazing!

maybe he feels bad for screwing with Hoff when the GM didn’t know the rules last week?

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that Lou's gone

Apparently we question bizarre decisions instead of calling them flat out stupid.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

One more move.

Bob Dernier named 1B coach.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You called it

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take $5 out of petty cash and treat yourself... ;)

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

To what? Another Frosty Malt?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would! Yum!

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

chip in a quarter more and you can get THREE Super Big Gulps!

and after seeing tonight’s lineup, you may need all three…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

Another Big Gulp!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow! :D

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by cooliogirl47 on Aug 23, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's time to teach baserunning!

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

which is funny, since Dernier is a roving instructor

That should be getting done at the lower levels. I think it got lost at the Major League level.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying it was all BS?

Is Hoff coming up to watch Nady play 1B?

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that is the case, that is all we need to know about Quade....

If we see the old guys down the stretch,

Quade= Essian/Kimm

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a nice positive way of thinking Ed!

I like this!

Do I think you are correct? Nope!

But we can dream!

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problem is, if Nady was going away, he would not be playing.....

I think we will see plenty of Nady for the next 5 weeks…..And then none of Quade next year.

by TJ11 on Aug 23, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that'd be nice.

Let’s hope so.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

...ooops - too late...

Skip: You guys. You lollygag the ball around the infield. You lollygag your way down to first. You lollygag in and out of the dugout. You know what that makes you? ... Larry?
Larry: Lollygaggers!
Skip: Lollygaggers.

by Zeke on Aug 23, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like cursing.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that a song by Leo Sayer?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

He felt like

something but it wasn’t cursing. He must not have been A Cubs fan. :P

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 23, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because. It's. The. Cubs.

There’s your answer.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeWitt

Nice to see him get a shot at leadoff. Lou never did try it. Even on day when Kosuke plays, I’d have him hit 8th…

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Aug 23, 2010 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

So you'd bat the guy with the 2nd-best OBA on the team 8th?

I wouldn’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course not

That spot’s reserved for the guy with the best OBA.

by shoemile on Aug 23, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhere TLR is shaking his head...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or slamming the phone for the dugout.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

9th makes more sense

There may be something in that idea.

by ClarkFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

DERNIER

He’s the new 1st base coach – just heard it on The Score. Nice call, Al.

Ryan Theriot - one of the most fairly decent SS in the last 10 years for the Cubs.

by IrishCubsFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Seemed logical to me.

And might be a sign that Sandberg is coming next year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 23, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Jaramillo is fired and Leon Durham hired from Toledo

You may be on to something, Al.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I know.

But Leon is waiting in the wings in Toledo. Of course, maybe Larry Bowa could come back to coach 3rd base next year.

Get the whole 1984 gang together.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, I'd be ok with that.

You can be sure he wouldn’t have a problem lighting a fire under a lazy ass or two.

Between Dernier at 1st and Bowa at 3rd, you’d have OF, IF and Baserunning covered.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Sutcliffe as pitching coach?

Or do you think he’d prefer a broadcasting gig?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling Rothschild survives.

He’s done a decent enough job during his time. Plus, I think he’s the source of the photos.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring more to...
Get the whole 1984 gang together.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, if I had to peg it, I'd put Sut in as pitching coach.

Him or Scott Sanderson.

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by Bill Potter on Aug 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake: We’re putting the band back together!
Elwood: We’re on a mission from Tom.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 23, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jaramillo

So, is Jaramillo the biggest flop of all the Cubs flops this year? Is he to blame for our terrible offense, or was he dealt a fading lineup?

Ryan Theriot - one of the most fairly decent SS in the last 10 years for the Cubs.

by IrishCubsFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

The short answer is no.

The slightly longer answer is, hitting coaches are the 2nd easiest scapegoat on the team.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's to blame.

What I think is that there have been quite a few players in decline this year—Lee, for instance. And Ramirez, who struggled for the first half of the season, said he didn’t want to work with Rudy for some bizarro reason.

It’s worth noting that a few of the younger players, such as Soto, have played better this year.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I didn’t realize players could refuse to work with a coach. Sounds obnoxious.

by IrishCubsFan on Aug 23, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed it does.

This happened way back in June, when Ramirez’ batting average was hanging around the .150 area and many of us on BCB wanted him to be put on the DL. Nearly everyone (Al included) realized something was wrong with his swing.

And yet, he never worked with Rudy at all. It was only when he went to the DL and came off it that he started hitting the cover off the ball.

Unfortunately, at this point, it is too little, too late, at least for this season.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not in love with tonight's lineup ...

but I doubt Lou would have EVER hit Soriano seventh. I’m not sure why Nady is hitting fifth, though.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

SHOWCASING!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

For when he clears waivers!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 23, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i wonder if Ramirez's numbers since july 1st....

are good enough that he might consider opting out of next years contract for a 3 or 4 year deal with a team like the Angels. I know it sounds crazy but I remember when J.D. Drew did it to sign with the Red Sox

by wfree0104 on Aug 23, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Drew wasn't 32.

And he didn’t do what you’re referring to in 2010.

by elgato on Aug 23, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

okay I looked....

he was 31, and there’s not going to be a lot of 3b on the market

by wfree0104 on Aug 23, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol....a 4 year deal for Ramirez?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 23, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

he'll at least consider it

he’s only guaranteed about $16 million (2011 salary + bonus) and if enough teams are interested in his services he should be able to beat that on the open market on a two or three year deal.

by circuitclout on Aug 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

how old was drew?

and he might want to play for a tea that he thinks is in a better position to win

by wfree0104 on Aug 23, 2010 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Jamie Quirk??

Managed KC in 2001. Len and Bob were just talking about him.

when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."

by 1060 W Addison on Aug 23, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

According to...

Baseball-reference.com’s 2001 Royals page, Tony Muser managed that team for the whole season.

Quirk might have had a temporary assignment for a game or two, but Quirk has never officially been a major league manager.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 24, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

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