A Pennant Race Test: Cubs vs. Reds Preview, Friday 8/27, 6:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Aug 27, 2010 4:00 PM CDT
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PrintYes, I know the Cubs aren't in a pennant race.
But this series is new manager Mike Quade's first test in playing a team that is in one. The Reds were the choice of many to come out of the pack and contend this year, and Dusty Baker's bunch has fulfilled that prediction. This is nothing against Dusty -- glad for him that he's doing well -- but I have the nagging sense that the Reds have had quite a bit of luck go their way this year, and that may not continue. Mike Leake, so good early in the year, went to the bullpen recently, got pounded by the Giants, and might be shut down for the season. The Reds are 25-10 against the Cubs, Pirates and Astros, 48-44 against everyone else. That is one way you can win -- beat up on teams at the bottom of the standings, split against the others, but the Reds got blown out twice by the Giants and nearly blew a big lead yesterday.
In any case, this series will be interesting to watch, just to see how Quade's team and managing style does against a club better than the Nationals -- although after the Cubs held the Nats to five runs in three games, the Nats scored 11 against the Cardinals last night. Incidentally, over the last two weeks, the Cardinals have lost eight of their last 11.
One more playoff note: if the season ended today, only two of last year's playoff teams (Yankees and Twins) would be making a return visit. And of the other six, two of them (Reds and Padres) had losing records a year ago, and the Reds haven't finished over .500 since 2000. This, I believe, is good for baseball.
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Johnny Cueto threw five shutout innings at the Cubs on July 3 at Wrigley Field, but had to be pulled after allowing 12 baserunners and throwing 101 pitches. The Cubs, who have been leaving ridiculous numbers of runners on base this year, left 10 on base in the first five innings that day, but won anyway, the only game the Cubs have won vs. the Reds since July 1. Current Cubs are hitting .343 (35-for-102) against Cueto with eight homers.
Tom Gorzelanny has been a pleasant surprise for the Cubs this year. He threw well in his only start vs. the Reds this year, giving up only an unearned run in 6.1 innings on April 11 in Cincinnati. Gorz has gone at least six innings in 14 of his 19 starts, and one of the ones he missed was the game he was hit in the shoulder by a line drive. He has held current Reds to a .216 average (22-for-102) and though Joey Votto has homered off him, Votto' totals are 2-for-13.
Cubs lineup via tweet from CubsInsider:
#Cubs lineup @ #Reds (8/27): DeWitt 2B, Castro SS, Byrd CF, Ramirez 3B, Nady 1B, Colvin RF, Soriano LF, Soto C, Gorzelanny P
Reds lineup via Reds beat writer BJ Rains:
Reds lineup tonight (no Phillips) - Bruce RF Chris Valaika 2B Votto 1B Rolen 3B Gomes LF Hernandez C Stubbs CF Janish SS Johnny Cueto P
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Go Cubs!
Let’s get 4 straight!
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
by mikegncb34 on Aug 27, 2010 4:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
crazy talk
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
If I had sex with Tiffani-Amber Thiessen
I would no longer have anything to dream about
"It's all in the game, yo"
If I got to pait a watercolor of you while you were doing that
I would sell it at the next Soup Club Charity Auction.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
happy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If I died while having sex with Tiffani-Amber Thiessen
I would die with no more dreams.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Aha!
That is who I see lurking in the window during my dreams. Never could figure out what that was, as I was concentrating elsewhere.
LaRussa is a dupe for Glenn Beck 8.28.10
by Dan Serafini on Aug 27, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Please remember to use the donation box for CHANGE ONLY.
I’m getting sick of cleaning it. Gross.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Yes, the Cubs season ended several weeks ago.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
WEEKS!
WEEKS?
YOU THINK WE HAD A CHANCE A FEW WEEKS AGO??
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
PLAYOFFS????
DON’T TALK ABOUT PLAYOFFS! YOU KIDDING ME? PLAYOFFS?!?!?!?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't take this the wrong way Dan....
but I hate your very soul and hope you die in a car fire.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I was referring to when we traded Theriot....
that pretty much sealed our fate.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually sometimes forget he played here
Then I wake up screaming and realize he did
"It's all in the game, yo"
I don't even know who you are anymore.
Thinking we had a chance “several” weeks ago. Idiot.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm the guy with the photoshops of your girlfriend eating soup out of a Brewer Hat while wearing a Braun jersey.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
...
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like SOMEONE is doin' it wrong.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
well several could mean 17
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
as in...I only had
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I only had several shots of tequila....why am I only wearing an apron and this Indian headdress?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn you have that problem too?
Mine always seemed to be after Jack Daniels shots at neighborhood parties. Think I’ll switch to Mad Dog.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
mmmm
mad dog 20/20 bling bling
I Love Larry - Brick are you looking at random things around the room and saying that you love them - I Love Larry
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Several? I'd settle for one...
…if it was named Rickie.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
CAPTION: "So you so see Koyie, I'd like to let you play...but you suck."
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Don't hold back.
Tell us how you really feel.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Dude, he has like a bionic hand.
Give him a break.
Did you ever play BIONIC COMMANDO? Such an awesome game.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Is that when Steve Austin doesn't wear any underwear?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
My cousin may have.
I’ll have to ask him the next time I see him.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ask him what?
And your cousin? Huh?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
If he'd ever played Bionic Commando before.
Wouldn’t surprise me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I loved that game!
But I’ve been playing Jordan vs Bird recently. I just got my old NES from the parents’ house, and I’d forgotten all the great games I had!
"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Aug 27, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
"Why...you couldn't end up being the next COMMISSIONER!"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
"Whatever butt buddy games you did for Lou for your job ain't happenin' with the Quadster"
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
DUDE HAVE YOU SEEN MELISSA & JOEY?
INSTANT CLASSIC!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
She needs to make up her mind if it's Tiffani or Amber before I can love her the way she should be.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
If you ever say anything remotely negative
about Tiffani-Amber again we are going to have a problem.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
*sigh
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
She deserves a complete love from me
And I need to know who she really is inside to offer myself. Might have to go with Elizabeth Berkeley instead.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I just died a little inside
I’d sleep with Screech before I would go near EB.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd probably pick Lark Voorhies instead. She wouldn't do the Screechster either.
Before the plastic surgery
But Elizabeth ain’t bad on the eyes either
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I would let Screech put a ball gag in my mouth
before going near Elizabeth Berkely. That is a Petri dish with legs
"It's all in the game, yo"
Reds are a fraud
I am looking forward to their three-game sweep in October.
"It's all in the game, yo"
How are the Reds doing it?
Top 2 in OPS+ and fielding percentage in the NL, but just below league average in ERA+. Most runs scored in the NL.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I bet the think they need to get more lefthanded for next year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No, there's a reason why they won't.
(A) They’re not the Cubs, and (B) they’re not managed by Lou Piniella.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
that's two reasons
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, realized it after I posted it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
How are they doing it?
Call me a Canadian fanboy but two words. JOEY effing VOTTO!!!! I hate the Reds and all things Cincinnati except old Joey Vots.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Skyline Chili - hate. Grater's Ice Cream - love...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He is good no matter what else he is.
Reds lost both Nix and Rolen for 15 days and they are having trouble. Cards going through a swoon of course as well, having lost a good part of their rotation and dealing away Ludwick to get Coleman. Looks like a limp to the finish line so far.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 27, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
You say it in your post.
Most runs scored in the NL.
Reminds me of the 2008 Cubs. Doesn’t really matter if your pitching has a few holes if you score a lot of runs.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I did both.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Somehow I don't think we're talking about the same thing.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Maybe,
But I tried blacking out those games as quickly as I could.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't really matter now, does it?
What’s important here is we each added another post to career totals…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I dunno, some times it's nice to have a Cubs-depression and think about the good ol' days of 2007 and 2008.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I just hope the Cubs can be better in 2011 than they are this year.
That being said, I don’t think three or four moves is going to make them among the top teams in baseball next year, despite what JH says.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I we we righthanded too
not sure how that’s relevant though.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
"we we" reminds me ...
When I was a little girl we had a neighbor (Dutch) who, whenever he took a sip of scotch would say, “like an angel wee weeing on your tongue.”
It wasn’t until much later I learned what he really said was, “like an angel wavering on your tongue.”
In other news around MLB
Hawpe signed with the Rays, White Sox claimed Manny, Rose is giving Rocket advice, and rumor has it, the Dodgers might put Lilly on waivers (if they haven’t already).
I say we put in a waiver claim on Lilly and (assuming we win thanks to our improving but still sucky record) refuse to offer up anything in trade to Dodgers. They’ll either have to pull him back or let him go and we assume salary, right?
Of course that’s asinine but think how much better it makes the original trade look – Hendry could say, hey we got DeWitt AND prospects for just Theriot. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Aug 27, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
Brilliant
"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Aug 27, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
hell
we already made out like a bandit in that trade…dewitt will at least be servicable until we see if Lee is capable at the MLB level…
I Love Larry - Brick are you looking at random things around the room and saying that you love them - I Love Larry
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I like the idea, but...
Why in the hell would the Dodgers trade for him and then put him on waivers?
Is the Dodgers financial situation with the divorce thing so screwed up that
this makes any sense at all?
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
They were about 6 games back, and still 'buying' at the 7/31 non-waiver trade deadline
The Dodgers are now 11 back, in 4th place. They can trade him now, or get compensatory draft picks if Lilly signs elsewhere as a FA.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
reply fail
they are now so far out of it that they are trying to get something for DeWitt and they know they are the only ones dumb enough to trade for Theriot
I Love Larry - Brick are you looking at random things around the room and saying that you love them - I Love Larry
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Ok I understand putting Theriot on waivers if they did that...
but why Lilly…?
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
Lilly is the one someone else might actually want to trade for ; )
I know the Yankees spare no expense to have everything a team could possibly have for a run at the World Series, but I don’t think TOOTBLAN is on their shopping list.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Read Al's post again.
The lineups are there.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption:
“Listen up, Koyie. Next years new manager was a former catcher, so, if you’re still here, pick his brain a bit and you may learn something.”
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!
Has Nady...
started every game at 1B since Lee was traded? I haven’t been paying much attention lately.
Nope.
Hoffpauir started at first in the third game at Washington.
I also remember hearing that Colvin would get playing time at first. Not sure if this has happened, though.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 27, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We might see it on a very limited basis..
But it appears that watching Colvin take ground balls for about a week was enough to put the kibosh on the The “Tyler Colvin, Have Glove – Will Travel” experiment.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
First is such an easy position
I play first on my ball team. All you have to do is be able to catch. That shouldn’t be an issue for too many guys at the MLB level.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen some of Castro throws?
Rami isn’t exactly laser-sharp, either.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 27, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
oh its soooooo easy
especially when you compare the slowpitch leagues to MLB - that is why they hand out 30 gold gloves a year for 1b
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I didn't say it would be easy for me
to play first in the majors but it should be pretty routine for a major league ball player.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
yet there are ones
(Dunn) who dont do it very well…just saying he might not be as comfortable in the infield…maybe he isnt good at digging balls out of the dirt on a throw…maybe they just want him to work on it over the winter and see what they have and worst case scenario get a reclamation project in the spring…or maybe someone wants Soriano and Z but needs Colvin thrown into the deal…or maybe monkey’s will fly out of my butt
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Dunn has improved though
I think first is a position you can become pretty serviceable at if you work at it. That’s all I am saying. And we agree that the off-season and spring training are the times for him to put the work in not at this point. I would rather see him working on his hitting at this point anyway so he continues to develop his bat.
"We love them, We mourn for them, Unlucky boys of Red" - Morrissey
"Giggs gets past Viera, past Dixon, who comes back at him, it's a wonderful run from GIGGS!!!" - Martin Tyler
"He's got a man deep..wait, no that IS Mandeep!!" - Don Taylor
by Section 312 on Aug 27, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
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by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 27, 2010 5:52 PM CDT reply actions
"Good for baseball"
I agree in principle with the idea that new teams in the playlets is good for the game. However I think that is short-term thinking that only masks the issues baseball has.
IMO, the game needs to address some serious financial inequities. The small market success stories make these changes less likely.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
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