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Too Many Errors, Too Many Runs Allowed: Cubs vs. Reds Preview, Saturday 8/28, 6:10 CT

This is not a math problem. What number does not belong in this sequence:

20, 23, 28, 29, 30, 30, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 38, 40, 40, 42, 43, 45, 47, 48, 48, 49, 50, 55, 58, 60, 61, 61, 63, 73, 82

Actually, two numbers don't, but the one I'm looking at is 82. That is the number of unearned runs the Cubs have allowed this season, a frighteningly large number and 62 more unearned runs than the MLB leader, the Padres. (The "73" belongs to the Nationals, who are second in baseball in errors as well.)

Unearned runs don't simply come as a direct result of errors, although the Cubs lead the major leagues in that category too (103, more than twice the MLB's best, the Padres with 51). They come when an error is made and a pitcher can't shut down the offense after that. Example: say a team records the first two outs in an inning and then an error is charged on what would have been the third out -- then the team batting scores nine runs. All nine runs are unearned.

The Cubs actually had an inning almost that bad earlier this year against the Reds at Wrigley on July 2. In the seventh inning of a close game with the Reds leading 1-0, Ryan Dempster walked the first two hitters, followed by an error to load the bases. After a strikeout, Dempster walked in a run and was replaced by Brian Schlitter, who walked in another run (which was unearned because of the error).

Then Schlitter got Orlando Cabrera to pop up. That should have been the third out and ended the inning with the Cubs trailing only 3-0, but Schlitter and Bob Howry could not get that third actual out until five more hitters had reached base and seven more runs had scored, all unearned. Instead of still being in the game down only 3-0, the Cubs trailed 10-0 and the game was essentially over.

There is a high correlation, at least this year, with few unearned runs and contending. The top seven numbers on that list belong to, in order, the Padres, Twins, Reds, Rays, White Sox, Giants and Yankees -- all contenders. The bottom seven belong to, in order, the Diamondbacks, Indians, Brewers, Mariners, Astros, Nationals and Cubs, all far out of playoff races.

As of this morning the Cubs are underperforming their Pythagorean projection by one game. The MLB average of team unearned runs allowed this year is 43. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that the Cubs were a MLB-average team in that category this year and thus, had allowed 43 fewer runs.

That would equate to a Pythagorean winning percentage of .458, or a W-L record (after 129 games) of 59-70, five games better than the current actual record.

That still isn't great, but it would be a start. Better defense, better relief pitching = more wins. It's obviously not the only thing that needs to be fixed on this team, but it would be a good beginning. Whoever the next Cubs manager is, if he can instill this in his team, good things will follow.

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Today's Starting Pitchers
Randy Wells
Randy Wells
Cubs
vs. Bronson Arroyo
Bronson Arroyo
Reds
5-12 W-L 14-7
4.56 ERA 3.82
120 SO 91
50 BB 55
17 HR 20
vs. Cin -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Randy Wells 5-12 26 26 0 0 0 0 154.0 169 83 78 17 50 120 4.56 1.42


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Bronson Arroyo 14-7 27 26 2 0 0 0 174.1 149 76 74 20 55 91 3.82 1.17

Bronson Arroyo has faced the Cubs twice this year, both at Wrigley Field, and not allowed them a single run in 13 innings. In those 13 innings, he has given up seven hits and three walks and struck out ten. Clearly, we are doomed. Maybe the results will be different in a different ballpark, but current Cubs are hitting only .213 (37-for-174) against Arroyo.

Randy Wells had one of his better outings of this year on August 7 at Wrigley Field, but the Cubs lost anyway. How often have we said that this year? Though Randy's overall numbers aren't great, he has posted a 3.76 ERA in 11 starts since June 28. The Cubs have gone 2-9 in those games, perhaps largely because of the ten home runs he's given up. The only current Red who has homered off Randy is Drew Stubbs, who is hitting .311/.326/.733 against the Cubs this year with five HR in 45 AB.

Also, Happy Birthday to Randy Wells, who turns 28 today.

Lineup via tweet from Carrie:

#Cubs lineup for Sat nite vs #Reds 2B DeWitt, SS Castro, CF Byrd, 3B Ramy, 1B Nady, LF Colvin, RF Fuke, C Hill, P Wells

Reds lineup via tweet from the Reds official Twitter account:

8/28 Reds Lineup Bruce RF Valaika 2B Votto 1B Rolen 3B Gomes LF Hanigan C Subbs CF Janish SS Bronson Arroyo P

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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 6 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 7:15 pm, 8:15 pm and 9 pm CDT.

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Solid Analysis, Al

Interesting to see the correlation between errors/unearned runs and wins.

We knew going into this season that defense wouldn’t be a strength, but I don’t think anyone could foresee leading the majors in unearned runs.

Eamus Catuli!

by wrigley_boy on Aug 28, 2010 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Excellent analysis, Al

Really good stuff. I really like how you showed the importance of defense in relation to pitching (often relief pitching). Living in San Diego, I am observing a team doing it the right way, and it is not at all surprising to me that they are on the opposite end of the spectrum from the Cubs when it comes to pitching and defense.

Let’s hope by next season the new manager has instilled a much bigger emphasis on defense while the GM finds a way to patch together a quality bullpen.

by paulucla on Aug 28, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks.

Like I said, that isn’t the entire problem with the Cubs. But it would go a long way toward improving the team right away.

Then we can start working on the failure to hit with RISP.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What bothers me

is that this has been an ongoing problem through at least three managers. Actually, there have been three.

1) RISP
2) Fundamental mistakes
3) Weak bullpens

And it seems like every rookie that comes up has basic problems – that speaks to poor coaching in the minors.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Aug 28, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Neither Dusty nor Lou was big on fundamentals.

If you’re talking about Castro’s errors, keep in mind that he is 20 years old. I don’t think that necessarily screams out “bad coaching”.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro I can excuse for youth

I have a harder time with (thankfully gone) double clutching fielders, guys who can’t recognize nor hit cutoff men, inability to bunt or execute a hit-and-run or even to pull a ball to the right side of the infield with a runner on second.

And I don’t blame the ML coaches as much simply because they should already know how to do this when they get to the show.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Aug 28, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent observation

This problem has to improve in the minors from here on out, or we will be forever running uphill.

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Aug 28, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am going to try to be optimistic here

but, I think this is going to improve. Castro has been pretty bad on defense, but has improved throughout the season, and has gold glove potential. Dewitt is an improvement over theriot, and If we can find a defensive improvement over Nady to play back-up third, that will also help. If we do hire Ryno next season he most likely will enforce fundamentals, and defense more than Lou has. The future is brighter. We can only hope!

by Notsnud on Aug 28, 2010 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Castro has improved on defense throughout the season?

That’s overly optimistic. He makes the same mistakes he made at the beginning. He could well improve, and become a gold glover sure…but he needs to make a lot of improvement on defense. He will need instruction and a hard work ethic, it was not his fault he was brought up so early.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, that extra month in the majors has ruined his defense

if he stayed in AA until june the difference would be minimal

by jesus christos on Aug 28, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Where did I suggest a month would change anything?

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castro is definitely a key.

When I see him make errors I remind myself that he is 20 years old. He will get better.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

why so many (not you) seem to be surprised at Castro’s errors? This happens often with young infielders, especially at SS and 3B.

Would people prefer it if Castro was an outstanding fielder with below average bat? Some young shortstops come up with polish defensive skills but lack hitting, others come up with advanced offensive skills and need to improve their fielding. It is very rare that a rookie SS or any 20 year old rookie comes up to the majors as a finished product. Castro was too good to leave in AA or AAA for the rest of the season. The Cubs are not contending, the errors are growing pains and like it or not, the Cubs are willing to live with them, and so am I.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 28, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

In truth

Dewitt is actually worse than Theriot. On the other hand, Castro will get better and a new manager could hardly do worse than Lou in demanding better effort from everyone.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 28, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeWitt was originally a 3B.

With a full spring training at 2B I would expect him to improve.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He spent the entire

2010 spring training with LA playing 2b exclusively.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 28, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeWitt is worse than Theriot?

I hope you mean defensively (and I’m not so sure about that), because, he’s a HUGE improvement offensively. I think DeWitt is a very good acquisition and a bright spot for the future. Let’s hope this DP combination works out for years to come. Defense up the middle is KEY for a contender. Castro will get better once he figures out that the routine plays shouldn’t be taken for granted.

Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!

by Easy Ed on Aug 28, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could you point out some evidence

that DeWitt is a huge improvement? The numbers don’t suggest anything of that sort.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 28, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can

DeWitt: .277/.353/.389
Theriot: .288/.329/.340

Sorry, a .669 OPS is putrid, especially if his glove is not superior.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Aug 28, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defensively

DeWitt Defensive runs saved above avg. -3
Theriot +5

DeWitt 11 errors
Theriot 6 errors

Listen, I prefer DeWitt to Theriot but to portray him as a huge improvement just isn’t true.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 28, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

These are 2010 stats

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 29, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

At the risk of sounding like a stuck LP: Go Cubs!

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Aug 28, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I had a 28 year old ask me what an LP was the other day.

Thought about it and just told her it was one of those round vinyl things. More explanation than that just flows by the thumbtexting gen anyway.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year we committed

105 errors but only allowed 56 unearned runs. So while the errors certainly have been a factor, this is a team lacking in many many areas. Our bullpen stinks. They’ve won the fewest games and lost the most. Beyond Marmol and Marshall, no one has a WHIP that’s acceptable. We don’t turn DPs and still can’t find a cutoff man. We only throw out 21% of basestealers and our pitchers seem clueless when men are on base.

In truth, this team lacks both good instincts and and the leadership that gives a team heart. When our most expensive player blames his poor performance on the team rather than himself, it speaks volumes for Piniella’s failure to demand excellence of effort. I’ve seen many losing Cub teams, but this is one of the least likable squads in my lifetime.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Aug 28, 2010 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

105 errors in 161 games.

Cubs are on pace for 130 errors this year — 20% more than last year. And, as noted, once the errors are made, the pitchers don’t shut the other team’s offense down.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Len was talking about the amount of errors last night during the game.

I knew it was bad but not that it was the worst. The sooner this culture gets changed the faster the team can turn things around. It’s like tying the arm behind the pitcher every fourth at bat.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow, those unearned numbers are just depressing

The world's biggest BCS hater and damn proud of it!

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by MrNFL on Aug 28, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs have not valued defense for a while.

I think the story is worse then even those numbers. The balls that dropped in front of
or between fielders or just the inability of fielders to get to balls they should have. These don’t show up as errors but we have seen it all year. Even Lee and Dome who should have been our best fielders seemed to have problems. I never thought I would say this, but Byrd has been the only really good fielder on the team for the entire season.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Aug 28, 2010 5:19 PM CDT reply actions  

It would be nice to see Randy have a solid outing.

But either way anyone who thinks he’s shown an ability to do anything more than be mediocre is I think fooling themselves. His flashes of brilliance always seem to be followed by a number of games without focus. If he is ever able to truly earn being a starter for the season he will need to be a lot more consistent than he has been so far.

Tonight would be a good time to start that.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't that a bit misleading - or in the example you cited, a LOT misleading?

I understand the concept of an unearned run, when a batter who gets on base as a result of an error that should have been the 3rd out eventually scores. It’s the “everything after that is unearned” waterfall that I don’t necessarily agree with.

Seems to me there should be a way of classifying all the stuff that happens afterward as earned, if it was indeed “earned”. Easy example. 2 outs and batter gets on because of error. Next batter hits a home run. To me, a fairer way of assessing the damage would be 1 unearned one (the batter that get on because of error) and 1 earned run (the batter that hit the home run).

I understand the homer wouldn’t have happened if the error hadn’t happened, but it just bugs me in those situations (as Al cited up top) where the floodgates open, and lots of runs are scored legitimately (because of hits & walks) and they’re all considered “unearned”. Seems to me that they were quite earned – and some pitcher’s stats ought to reflect that.

Maybe there’s some variation of ERA that captures a truer picture of how bad (or good) a pitcher is?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

There are times when...

… runs can be earned to a specific pitcher while being unearned to the team.

Example: starting pitcher puts two men on base, then gets two out, and then someone reaches on an error, loading the bases. Manager changes pitcher. Relief pitcher gives up grand slam.

The runs are unearned to the first pitcher and to the team — but the reliever is charged with an EARNED run, and any further runs in that inning are charged the same way, earned to any pitcher who gives them up, but unearned to the team.

If you add up the individual pitchers earned run totals and compare them to the team total — for almost any team — they won’t match for this reason.

Make more sense now?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

So in the example you cited, those last 7 runs are all unearned runs to the team

but earned to Schlitter and Howry?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean the orignial example in the Preview post

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's correct.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I still think calling them "unearned" is misleading, even if it's only labeled that at the team level

but I’m glad to see that at least the pitchers aren’t getting away it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

whoa - that's one heckuva formula. Thanks for posting.

I kinda see how that accounts for everything, though I don’t know why/how he came up with “13” as a multiplier for HRs. And is “K2” simply two times the number of strikeouts?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 28, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't know

I’m not too statsy myself. But FIP seems to be the pitching stat du jour (with wOBA being the hot hitting stat).

by JohnM on Aug 28, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still prefer ERA+

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Aug 28, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know about a specific stat that shows exactly the impact of errors on runs scored,

But it is definitely painfully obvious that teams leading in errors will have more runs scored on them and will hugely impact their chances of making the playoffs. When you have the combination of a bad RISP team and errors…it’s a double whammy. As bad as our bullpen has been this season, I think most would admit it wouldn’t be quite as bad had our defense been better. This is definitely an area in which we can improve quickly and become a much better team for it.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please pitch well Randy.

Let’s get more runs than them. :P

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Aug 28, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

The next manager can't change a thing...

It’s on the players to perform. Managers are overrated.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 28, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree.

A manager sets the tone for his team. Yes, the players have to perform but the manager can lead. If managers are overrated, why do specific managers (Gardenhire, Scioscia are good examples) always have their teams overperforming their talent level?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 28, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe saying a manager can't change a thing is extreme...

I believe a veteran player sets a better tone than a manager. I also think managers reflect their players more than players reflect their manager. I’m sure there are managers that do spark their team, but I believe players are the true ones pulling the strings.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 28, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they can set the tone, and make a few changes...punishments

that can make a difference. This year’s team was just an example though of a team that it didn’t matter. The amount of games a manager could have affected by playing a certain player or benching a bad performance would have never been enough. Let’s hope the next one can at least lead next year’s team in the right direction with fundamentals and hustle.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 28, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

pitching and defense...now that is something new!

Baseball, whether you are 10 years or 30 years comes down to the outs. A team is given a minimum of 27 outs a game…..give teams more outs and they will statistically score more runs at greater rates than at the minimum….it is exponential algebra….

pitchers will fatigue

batters will adjust and be more productive

more opportunities with runners on base

The intangible is attitude.

To me all this spells SANDBERG….with Dernier on the staff both defensive oriented players who PLAY THE GAME RIGHT.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Aug 29, 2010 10:09 AM CDT reply actions  

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