Whatcha think? Prince Fielder a Cub?
if the Cubs are serious about adding some bats, how about picking up Fielder from the Brewers? even though he's killed us in the past, I always thought he was a class guy, ever since Reed Johnson robbed him of a homer at "Wrigley North" and Fielder tipped his hat to him, letting Johnson know he made a great play.
I hated to see D.Lee go, but for me at 1st, it should be either Hoffpauir OR pick up Fielder. regardless of what they do, I'll back them. after all, my wife and I are Cubbie Fans to the end! GO CUBS GO!!!
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Class act?
You are talking about a guy who attempted to storm the opposing clubhouse after a game. No thanks.
by Mothershipwit on Aug 31, 2010 4:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You lost me at Hoffpauir.
Let’s hope he’s not even on the 40 man next year.
by Dcr18 on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
you can say that again.
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Let's hope he's not even on the 40 man next year.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
amen!
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 5, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You lost me at Hoffpauir.
Let’s hope he’s not even on the 40 man next year.
by Dcr18 on Aug 31, 2010 5:51 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hoffpauir?
Please. He is not a major league player.
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Dubois is only six HR short of the Iowa CAREER record for home runs.
The record is 90. This is not a record a player really wants to have.
Hoffpauir, FWIW, has 81 career HR for Iowa. The record is held by a guy named Joe Hicks.
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That's what happened to Crash Davis.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He'll be 31 next year
Three-year deal, max. And that would make me nervous.
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who are you talking about?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 31, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
the 3 year deal thing is confusing considering he’s already under contract with another club
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 31, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I was responding to a hypothetical that Al put forward
Philosophically, I think there is a shorter shelf-life for fat players. I also think that they bring less and less to the table as the game gets more advanced.
I also have a personal bias. I did not find John Kruk or David Wells charming in any way. I think they were fat slobs who disgusted me to my very core.
And Babe Ruth wouldn’t exist in today’s game. He’d either be forced to stay in shape — he was not really fat as a young player — or he’d have his career cut short.
So yes, ride the fat whirlwhind for a bit, but do not give a long-term contract.
"It's all in the game, yo"
I hope you’re basing this on the fact that Ruth has been dead for over 60 years and nothing to do with the actual game of baseball.
by worldcupfever on Aug 31, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope
Put Ruth in a time machine right after the 1927 season and send him to 2010 and he doesn’t crack a starting lineup.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Based on?
Guys who hit .340 with Ruthian slugging and a cannon arm generally find their way into the lineup. Are you saying his drinking would keep him on the bench?
But if Fielder can start, I would think Ruth would get a shot 2010 or any year.
In no particular order
He used a 60-oz bat, never faced a non-white pitcher, never faced a split-finger or slider, batted against defenders with mittens and heavy uniforms, was a coach-killer and was a fat slob.
Today’s pitchers would blow heat by him and then make him pull a love handle muscle with their sliders.
I don’t hate all old-timers. I think Ted Williams — if you gave him half-a-season with a DVD player and a trip through the league — would be almost as good today. I think Musial would do fine. I think DiMaggio would be fine so long as he didn’t let the media destroy him.
But not Ruth. I think he is the single most overrated athlete in American sports.
"It's all in the game, yo"
I'm totally with you on the overrated part.
Not as convinced he wouldn’t crack a starting lineup although it would be interesting if you had that time machine so we could see.
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So...so is Ty Cobb?
Cy Young? Any big stars before modern equipment and stadiums? Or before they were integrated with African American players? Then how about before Latin American players were integrated? When exactly is the time stars are meaningful? I think it’s silly to rate players of different eras the same. Which also means that players not using steroid are also judged unfairly in the 90’s/00’s. Ruth is the only player in all those stars you mentioned that was also a very good pitcher while hitting astronomically. I don’t think he would be a star of course now (without steriods and a beer after the game) but any player of that era would fall short of course. Athletes get stronger and faster and now have modern training methods with all the money in the game. It’s comparing apples and oranges.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think stars from the 60s and 70s
probably would translate well today.
Anything before that, it would be tough. I think Ted Williams, with his work ethic and passion for hitting, could do it.
Baseball has gotten away with the scam that you can compare eras. You can’t. You can’t in other sports either, but they don’t get sanctimonious about it.
"It's all in the game, yo"
hmm...perhaps the 60's and 70's would.
Still had far less competition, as well as not a lot of body training. It is all speculation, when there are far less teams to play, far less of a talent pool to compete against, there’s no real way to compare players. I’m with you that I think the players of that era had a better work ethic, they were getting paid next to nothing so pretty much had to work hard to earn a living.
I hadn’t thought much about comparing eras a lot until Goose Gossage was under HOF consideration and saw how relievers now have changed so much there is no real way to compare them between modern ones and anything before specilization. Though it’s always been apparent comparing white only team hitters with those with African American/Latin American players and more teams doesn’t make sense.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The beauty of statements like this
you do not need a shred of evidence, just a bunch of suppositions.
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 3, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions
well, being that Ruth used testerone
he would have been on suspension for 50 games to start with
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Ruth used testerone
so he is one of the cheaters who should not be allowed in the HOF
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what is the proof for this?
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 5, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
it has been linked many times here
and a simple google search gave many links
Even the Big Bambino himself, Babe Ruth, injected himself with extract from a sheep’s testicles, hoping for increased power at the plate (and in the bedroom). He attempted this only once, and it made him incredibly ill;
only once that we are aware of, and doesnt once make you guilty of using? fact, Ruth used testerone while playing baseball, fact that makes him a cheater, fact if people want a notation near names of users who go in, then we need to start with cheaters who are in already
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and lets not forget he drank like a fish
during Prohibition, which would be an “illegal drug” so to speak at that time, maybe not performance enhancing, but still just like weed it would have been illegal to consume.
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cheating, such as steroids and greenies is not a new problem
Monahans report say Aaron admitted to using greenies, Willie Mays kept a bottle of "red juice" in his locker — the same stuff as greenies
and the Mitchell report didnt look into greenies at all
The Mitchell report, however, didn’t examine the use of greenies, citing the additional time that would have been required as well as the belief that anabolic steroid use was a more pressing matter.
and
Monahan suggests it’s disingenuous to offer up a history of the game’s doping culture and leave out a chapter on amphetamine use, which dates back half a century and, most certainly, involves some of the game’s most storied names. In his autobiography, “I Had a Hammer,” former home run king Henry Aaron admitted to having experimented with greenies
so yes, you can literally put Bonds, Clemens, and so on in the same “cheaters pool” with Gaylord Perry, Hank Aaron, and Babe Ruth for starters.
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weak
did it make him a better player? No, so it is irrelevant.
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 5, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
He did it once, got sick and never did it again
so clearly it did not have an impact on his playing abilities, making it as irrelevant as your drinking comment.
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 5, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
then you could say the same for players who juiced but didnt have great careers
which is a long list. Sorry but you are now making a case that it is ok since he only admitted to doing it once. Also, he admitted to using it once which is more than Sosa, so technically Sosa is a clean player compared to Ruth, Aaron and Mays, who have all admitted to using testerone or greenies
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and this is an interesting quote
Who says it was sheep testosterone that made him mysteriously ill in 1925? Ruth collapsed at the railroad station in Asheville because he had been on a tear for weeks. He was in the midst of breaking up with Helen, his first wife, and taking up with Clare, his second, and in the meantime screwing every willing woman he came across as the Yankees barnstormed north toward Opening Day. He was eating too much crap, drinking too much, fucking too much, sleeping too little, wearing himself out. He developed—it’s logical, isn’t it?—a stomach ulcer. Every detail relating to that barnstorming trip and his own train trip from Asheville to New York and the hospital points to ulcer, and so does the medical report from the hospital—not to mention the great raw scar wound in his belly after the operation.
So which is it? My assertion that he had an ulcer? Or that sheep testosterone made him sick? Or was it, as the gossiping old ballplayers liked to whisper, syphilis? You don’t cut into a man’s stomach to cure syphilis or, I assume, to counteract sheep testosterone.
Ballplayers, especially old ballplayers, are like old women gossiping over a cup of tea. They pass along rumors and hearsay as fact. Read Eldon Auker’s autobiography, which despite its charm and vivid recollections—the once-great Tommy Bridges as a pitiful drunk on Auker’s front lawn is one—passes along gossip he heard as factual information. We sportswriters do the same. And readers and reviewers and other sportswriters accept it and it becomes what Mark Twain called the petrified truth.
If Ruth did, in fact, take sheep testosterone, I’d bet my hat and ass that he didn’t take it to help him on the ballfield. He’d have taken it for the same reason Rafael Palmeiro took some other performance-enhancing substance: to have even more fun in bed.
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You just don't get it
your statement that Ruth used testosterone as some way of disparaging his performance is bogus. By your own admission he used it once and apparently it did nothing positive for his playing. Case closed.
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
cheating = cheating
right? or does cheating once make it ok since it was not made nkown if he did it again? and, as linked above, it is plausible that he was sick from other means and not the testerone, making the case that he could have used it other times and this is the ONLY one we know of.
again, cheating is cheating, doesnt matter if its once of a hundred times, it is still cheating.
but i guess we can eliminate the corked bat incident for Sosa since it was once and didnt help him, right?
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it had zero effect on his play
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
cheating = cheating, right?
that is what i am saying, and you are saying is not true so far. he cheated, you think it had no effect, that is not known if it did or not, it is only known he took testerone which is cheating and today is worth 50 games first time.
you also have skipped where i linked about Hank Aaron and Willie Mays using greenies, which again is cheating, and again would put them in the same class as Bonds, Clemens and so on.
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Your logic is twisted
If Ruth did indeed inject himself with sheep testosterone and it made him ill, how the hell does this take away from his on field accomplishments? Answer: it doesn’t.
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You are making too much sense for Cubbie-Tim
he has painted himself into a corner and does not know how to gracefully extricate himself.
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by lookingdeadred on Sep 11, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Moreover, by your logic..
…. Santo cheated every time he ate a candy bar.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Or drank a soda loaded with caffeine right before a game.
I think it’s fair to say there is a vast difference between using anabolic steriods with a known danger and effect than doing something stupid once.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 7, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
beggars
Can’t be choosers. I guess I didn’t realize a 90 plus loss team could afford to be picky. I’d rather have prnce than dunn or kila!
by neifiisgreat on Aug 31, 2010 11:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You're out of your mind, then.
Given the choice, what baseball GM or manager would want that?
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by Al Yellon on Aug 31, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should have just stopped at your first 4 words
you nailed it right there.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Paying Nady a one-year deal versus paying Prince a 5 or 6-year deal?
I’d take it in a heartbeat.
Prince will eat himself out of the league like Mo Vaughn did.
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The only problem with that though
is the Cubs don’t have power prospects to move. Ideally they would have some power RF/LF prospects to move to 1st base but they don’t.
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We've also had Derrek Lee in place for a number of years now.
I’d bet we’ve traded away some 1B prospects over that time because there was no place for them to go really. Add to that our minors system sucked for many years to begin with.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Highly unlikely...
…I just don’t see the Cubs adding anyone for 2011 who makes double digit millions per year (either through trade or FA).
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I started liking Fielder
after his reaction to Johnson’s play too. IIRC, that was a grand slam he robbed him of.
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Here it is.
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by katie casey on Aug 31, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly wouldn't trade for Prince...
…but the Cubs should seriously consider him when he hits free agency after next season. He’ll be the youngest of the Big Three (Pujols-Gonzalez-Fielder) and has always hit well at Wrigley Field. Naturally, there are downsides – mainly weight, conditioning and attitude – to consider. There’s also been a lot of bad blood between the Cubs and Brewers in recent years, so maybe he wouldn’t want to come here at all. But he’s absolutely a guy to keep an eye on.
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Give him a fat contract and a gift certificate to a deep-dish pizza place
and he’ll forget Milwaukee.
That bad blood thing is overrated. More for fans than players
"It's all in the game, yo"
Probably.
But he’s been plunked an awful lot by Cubs pitchers and has presumably taken a lot of guff from fans at Wrigley.
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He's been plunked an awful lot by everybody's pitchers
He’s got a reputation.
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The real trick is not hitting Fielder
the real trick is missing his fat ass
"It's all in the game, yo"
What he's got is his Barry Bonds autograph model big-ass elbow guard.
The one that lets you get hit by pitches all the time without having to worry about moving off the plate by hurlers trying to make the outside corner vulnerable.
If the ball doinks off your body armor harmlessly, you’re not going to worry about bailing out on Marshall’s curve ball.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Aug 31, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
But he’s been plunked an awful lot by Cubs pitchers and has presumably taken a lot of guff from fans at Wrigley.
So was Jim Edmonds. That worked out OK for the Cubs in 2008.
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I agree with you and Worf there.
I just don’t see a reason at this point to spend a lot of money on a long term contract for a player at top dollar. The conditioning part just adds to that. Looks so easy for that to turn into a Sori/Dome contract.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
For a 2-3 year deal maybe
but he’d likely want more. Plus I’m concerned with how his defence will make Rami and Starlin look much worse. The “no D-Lee” affect should start to show its head before the end of this season.
Just win the next game...!
NO
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Prince is going to want
Ryan Howard money. I would be concerned if would want a long deal in years mainley because of his girth. If he would show some concern about getting into shape, then maybe a offer should be put on the table. He has one more year on his deal, so a trade with the Brewers who would want a ton dose not seem feasable.
So Prince a Cub, maybe the odds are 1,000 to 1.
if you give me those odds
i’ll gladly take them
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 31, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
He is in shape.
Yeah, he is a big dude, but so was his dad, Cecil. Hes just built like that. His dad played pretty good until late in his career, and his dad had to play in Japan early on if im not mistaken. As big as he is, he is still in pretty good shape. He gives the term “big boned” true meaning.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
In good shape?
He’s better than before but hardly in good shape. Doesn’t really matter if it’s body type or not, there is a lot to be worried about long term. I doubt it will be that many years before his only realistic option is to be a DH in the AL…course according to Al, then he could be DH in all of the league.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 2, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would you want Fielder next year? To back up Dunn? Ridiculous. Girardi won't stand for it.
There, I got my Dunn AND my Girardi jabs for the day in on the same post. Now what do I do?
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No to Fielder...
I’d take anyone else… Hell, I’d even try to bite my tongue and let Hoff play there…
Why you may ask…
He’s gonna want insane levels of money in a contract and in 2 or 3 years
when that Stay-Puffed Marshmallow man body of his starts to disintegrate
we’d be stuck with a broken down 1B-man with a contract that will make
Sori’s look like chump change…
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
Hell... I'd much rather see the Cubs wait
and throw that insane level of cash at Pujols…
Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano and Zambrano. It's the 2010 Murderers' Row of baseball failure. - Paraphrasing Gene Wojciechowski
Oh I don't hate em...
If I did I’d have to hate myself… lol…
What I would HATE is paying a guy who is, has been and shows no inclination to
get in better shape, suck cash out of the Cubs wallet for 5 or 6 years while only
being worth it for 2 or 3 at best…
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 2, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
The Hoffpauir ref made me think of that.
Maybe he started using lowercase.
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