Carlos Zambrano Pitches, Hits Cubs To Victory Over Pirates
by Al Yellon on Aug 31, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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PrintA group of friendly Yankees fans -- who had been in town for their series with the White Sox and stayed Monday just so they could come to Wrigley Field for the first time -- sat in the section just to my left last night in the bleachers.
They left town with an unexpected souvenir -- Carlos Zambrano's home run ball. If you missed it last night, here's the TwitPic I tweeted from the ballpark (yes, somehow they let a Mets fan in with their group).
Z threw well into the sixth inning and allowed only one unearned run and hit his 21st career home run, and the Cubs pounded out 18 hits and sank the Pirates 14-2. The win mathematically eliminated the Pirates from the NL Central race.
Z has now homered in eight consecutive seasons. The only other pitchers who have had at least one home run in that many or more consecutive years are Warren Spahn (17, 1946-62) and Dizzy Trout (11, 1942-52).
I know I've been in the "Z must go" camp since his suspension and placement on the restricted list in June. He pitched very well again last night, despite not having his best stuff, lowering his ERA to 4.36 by allowing just one unearned run and evening his W-L record at 6-6. Since returning to the rotation he has posted a 1.86 ERA in 29.1 innings, allowing 24 hits and striking out 22. There are still too many walks (four last night, 20 since returning), but I will admit to being interested in the possibility that Z might have, at last, figured out how to just pitch (instead of all the extracurricular activities) and could be a key part of the 2011 rotation.
Curious thing about that unearned run. Andrew McCutchen led off the game with a ground ball that Jeff Baker butchered. Baker was charged with an error; later, it was changed to a hit, which was duly announced by Paul Friedman on the ballpark PA. That play was clearly an error. The play which resulted in the one unearned run that Z allowed -- a high, arching fly ball that Alfonso Soriano simply overran -- was ruled an error on Sori even though he never touched the ball; it bounced away from him and Neil Walker wound up on third base, from where he later scored.
The Cubs had fun hitting last night, giving Mike Quade a win in the first game he managed at Wrigley Field. They pounded out 18 hits, including nine doubles; Starlin Castro had two of them and now, with enough PA to qualify, ranks fifth in the NL at .313, three points behind Martin Prado of the Braves for fourth. Aramis Ramirez drove in four runs and even Koyie Hill joined in with two hits and two RBI.
The nine doubles is the most the Cubs have had in one game since July 20, 2003, when they also had nine in a 16-2 rout of the Marlins at Miami. It was the first time a Cubs team had nine doubles in a game at Wrigley Field since a 14-4 win over the Giants on August 16, 1979. The team record (since 1920) is 10, set in a 17-13 loss to the Cardinals in the second game of a DH on July 12, 1931.
Fun stuff. It happened in front of the smallest crowd of the year, 29,538, and that number was likely only as "large" as it was because of the ceremony honoring recent Hall of Fame inductee Andre Dawson. There had been about 27,000 tickets sold before yesterday, which meant the Cubs got a small walkup sale, but only 1100 total tickets were sold for the bleachers, which felt quite empty last night. They won't have that many tonight; the paid attendance was the smallest since September 7, 2006, when it was announced as 27,105. The last time the Cubs drew a crowd smaller than that one was on September 26, 2002, when the announced paid attendance was 20,032.
Regardless, the Cubs have had trouble beating the Pirates this year and doing it in convincing fashion was fun, even in a season as dismal as this one. Let's do it again tonight.
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Russell batting in the 8th
Just curious what the logic was letting Jeff Russell hit for himeself in the last half of the 8th when he was lifted for Scott Maine anyway in the top of the 9th. You still had 3 bench players available and while I know you wont use Soto there why not get an AB for Dewitt or Kosuke at that point. I know the game was over and Quade has done a great job and i am not questioning it rather just wondering the logic behind it.
I couldn't figure that out either.
There were actually only two bench players; Soto was not available last night. But still, you’re right: Fukudome could have used another AB.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Probably because the game was out of reach...
There are two reasons that go along with this:
1. there’s no reason to waste a bench player on the off-chance that the Pirates come back in the 9th
2. you don’t want to appear to be running it up by pinch hitting there.
#2, I can understand.
But #1? In that situation? 12 runs ahead in the 8th? I don’t think the Pirates are coming back from that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
With the 2010 Cubs you can never be sure.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Aug 31, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Which makes it just as meaningless to pinch hit, no?
If there’s no threat of the Pirates coming back, why does it matter if you pinch hit?
Well...
It gets one of your platoon guys another PA against live pitching. However, #2 is probably the right answer here.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think it was very likely that Quade was not wanting to "run it up."
I thought at the time that this is exactly what he should have done here. Let a young pitcher get a unique experience of hitting in the bigs at no cost to your team.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Yeah, it is games like this
that get me to want to keep Z around. He obviously has the talent, if he could just get rid of the crazy I think we’d be in good shape!! Too bad that looks like it will never happen…..
I'm still concerned about Zambrano...
His two great outings have come against two of the worst teams in the league offensively. And while he managed to not give up runs in this one, he still had a WHIP of nearly 1.6 last night.
It may be that he’s turning a corner as a pitcher. But I’m still very skeptical.
He should get a chance to pitch..
… against a couple of contending teams in September, the Cardinals and Giants. Let’s see what happens then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As I posted in a thread last night
I still stand by my comment that moving Zambrano to the pen early in the year was a stupid panic move thanks to Hendry’s lack of proper roster construction (second year in a row I might add).
Is Zambrano worth his salary? No but he is still one of the better pitchers the Cubs have and he should have been starting all season.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I'm still in the trade Z camp
We caught the last 4 innings & it was a fun game to listen to.
Not to be a negative nellie. I’m happy he is increasing his trade value. (ok it couldn’t have been much lower) But we all know when things are going well, he is fine. It’s the moment something goes wrong or the moment he thinks someone is doing something he doesn’t like… is when there are problems. Will that happen again this year? Probably not, he’s only pitching at most 6 games? On his best behavior.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I still don't think you will get comparable value
Trading Zambrano for bad contracts just to get rid of him is not a smart move to me.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
so let him blow up again next year?
I’m not debating the merits of will the Cubs get something good in return. There is no way with that contract. But I view it very similar to MB trade.
But you seriously think that Z has mended his ways? That what has happened repeatly won’t happen again?
I wish I could believe that, but when someone acts like that multiple seasons, I tend not to believe that.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
No he probably will blow up again
but he has more value than MB and not as disruptive a force as MB. Zambrano is 6-5 with a 4.38 ERA as a starter. Considering the jerking around this year that isn’t a useless player.
I just don’t see value in trading Zambrano for bad players with bad contracts especially if the Cubs have to throw in a few million.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree
I don’t want a player who will blow up on the team. His ERA before he was put in the bullpen, was pretty bad. I see the value of getting rid of a bad apple, as a positive.
But if you see that as not a problem, I guess we look at Cubs differently. I really wish I could share you view. I would happy to wrong.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
for the record
I don’t think they will trade him, I see him on the 2011 Cubs.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
The ERA
was bad thanks to one start. When he was moved, he had one bad start, one ok start and two good starts. That was it, 4 starts.
As you say, we’ll just have to disagree.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Oh please.
He’s pitched a lot more stinkers than one bad game. He’s pitched well since his return but let’s not make revisionist history here just because many are juiced he’s contributing now. He’s going to blow up again when things aren’t going well. We know this. Al is starting to get giddy again and will remember how awful he makes it for the team when he does.
I know trading him would cost the team a lot of money, but fans need to have a long term view here of what has and will happen with Z.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a lot more likely
the Cubs will try to unload Fukudome than Z. And I’d advocate that strategy.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 31, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Much more likely.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I'm thinking this too.
And the way Fukudome is playing, if he keeps it up in September, someone might take half that contract, or maybe even a little more.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep
I still think Z is young enough to be redeemable, and to be successful.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 31, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I have my doubts.
But it may be the right choice. We just don’t know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not sure...
…because he has lost physical ability and has not shown he is capable of making up for it with better command of his pitches.
I could be wrong, but I think Z is going to be a vastly overpaid pitcher the next couple of years.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I sometimes wonder
if Z’s temper is tied to the fact that he’s been a Cub for so long, he feels a certain seniority (which isn’t a bad thing) but then uses it poorly. I wonder if he would be so volatile if he was with another team.
Yup...
I’ll look forward to seeing what he does against at least mediocre offensive teams (Cards are 7th in the NL in runs, Giants are 9th) in September.
Z is certainly a volatile type and needs to do some work on control
But some of 2010 is the team’s fault. Since when does the Opening Day starter get yanked from the rotation after a few bad outings? Sent to the pen, then to AAA to “stretch out,” then back to the rotation. No wonder he was a mess.
I agree.
I am not going to bash Zambrano, he deserves a chance to pitch again if for anything to help him get moved to his next MLB home. He is apparently going through family difficulties, and hopefully pitching regularly can help him get through it s well as get other MLB teams interested in him.
My husband was there last night.
He said it was kind of sad seeing Andre tour the outfield with the bleachers so empty and that when he got out to right there were only about 12 people out there.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
+1, thought the same thing
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
that explains alot, I couldn't understand why they didn't show the RF on TV.....
unless I missed it…..I really wanted to see their reaction to Andre, too bad….I would say the lack of attendance last night was somewaht of an embarrassment to the organization.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Aug 31, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Shame on the Cubs.
Instead of using Dawson in an attempt to prop up sales, this should have been done on a high-profile weekend to ensure nice crowds in the stands as well as in the press box.
We’ve known Andre would be going into the Hall since well before the promotional schedule was released. There’s no reason this couldn’t have been done, say, before the ESPN Sunday night game versus Saint Louis.
Was the minor bump in sales worth making “Andre Dawson Night” a sorry afterthought?
by bourbon_and_branch on Aug 31, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
+1 million
and REC’D
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Remember, it's not just up to the Cubs.
Dawson has a job with the Marlins. He has other public appearances scheduled.
FWIW, the Sunday night game with St. Louis was on Induction Day. There’s no way Andre could have been in Chicago by then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree
I think the Hawk deserved better than a sub-30,000 Monday night crowd. However, if he decided to enter the Hall wearing a blue cap with a red ‘C’ on it, I’d bet the house the Cubs would’ve done better than a random Monday night.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Wrong.
The decision on the cap was not Andre’s. It was the Hall’s. Dawson made his preference clear; the Hall chose otherwise.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
My mistake
I thought it was Andre’s. I wasn’t insinuating it was his fault or anything, and that he got what he deserved, or whatever…just mere observation.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Understood.
I don’t think the cap decision had anything to do with the size of the crowd, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You’re right.
But I think my point stands. Any weekend game would have been better than this – why not do it in front of the Mets, a significant team during Dawson’s Cub career?
by bourbon_and_branch on Aug 31, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Dawson's own schedule didn't permit it.
There’s not only one factor involved here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And wasn't it originally supposed to be Military Appreciation night?
At least that’s what it said on cubs.com’s promotion and giveaway chart. What happened to that? Did they change it because the mayor declared it Andre Dawson Day? Or did the mayor declare the day after the Cubs picked the date to honor him? What about people that bought tickets thinking they would have something honoring the military? The whole thing seemed poorly planned.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
I think that defines the 2010 Chicago Cubs
What hasn’t gone poorly :(
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs did
have a wounded Veteran throw out the first pitch. He was in a wheelchair and made a strong throw to home from the edge of the mound.
The Cubs told me that they offered discounted tickets to veteran’s last night. Cubs Care also has a game set aside where season ticket holders can donate their tickets to the USO for soldiers and their families.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought they were going to.
Is that no longer the plan?
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
Looks like he got
a #8 from the scoreboard and a watch instead.
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by katie casey on Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't seem as good.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
Apparently, we only retire numbers of players who fit about 1,358 different criteria
that change every day
"It's all in the game, yo"
I think that # 8 from the scoreboard was awesome
I would pay for a 7
by cozmotaylor123 on Aug 31, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Was he sitting in the 500's a bit to the third base side of the press box?
I was walking around the upper deck and thought I saw someone that looked like Mr. KC, but then thought, nah, because I didn’t see you.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Aug 31, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
OT. By the way. We drove out past your neck of the woods on Sunday for a project my wife is working on.
You live WAAAY the heck out there. I admire you and your husband coming in for so many games.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Aug 31, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
We were both brought up in the city.
We love it out here, but I miss it sometimes. So I really enjoy coming in for the games. My husband commuted downtown for almost 12 years til they finally relocated him a little closer. That was rough. He came home looking green sometimes.
This location isn’t bad for going to Wrigley North. With a daughter off at school in Milwaukee we go there a couple times a year as well. She has a view of Miller Park from her window this year.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Baker's error
Brenley called it a cue shot. Replays clearly show the ball hit the ground and bounced away from the direction Baker was moving. First indication was he overran it; after watching it it took a weird bounce. I’m OK with a hit.
Where was this performance all season against the Pirates?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
At least we don't have worry about the embarrassment of the Pirates reaching the playoffs anymore... ;-)
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Bleacher tickets are too costly.
The notion of paying so much to sit so far away was incongruous with over 100 years of MLB precedent, and couldn’t last forever.
Return sanity to the bleacher pricing, and watch sales for tickets and beer rise.
by bourbon_and_branch on Aug 31, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree.
I was a walk-up last night. There’s no way I’d ask for a bleacher seat. I immediately asked for an outfield 500, and got one for $18. And there were a lot of other guys up there like me. By themselves, maybe deciding to go at the last minute … many of them with scorecards, roaming around to different seats as if the seats weren’t reserved. The far reaches of the upper deck last night reminded me of what the bleachers used to be like.
Center field was almost completely empty, much to the joy of two little kids who had the run of the section running back and forth and up and down at will. They were easy to pick out from where I was sitting because they were 10% of the total “crowd” out there.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Aug 31, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I counted the CF bleachers last night at game time. Total count: 12.
They closed the CF bleachers for one game last September. That could happen again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
12 people in the CF bleachers in TOTAL?
:-O
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't understand it! The Cubs have played with a high level of energy all season!
They are always competetive and you know everyone of them is giving you 100% on every play!
The fans see this and appreciate it!
We also can’t blame management for anything! Lots of great moves over the lst years have given us an exciting flexible roster!! Not wonder Tom Ricketts loves Jim Hendry!
And 1 of those 12 guys was sititng on the concrete blocks
Last night’s game was a $50 bleacher ticket (face value with tax). Somehow we were discussing the bleachers with 2 younger, attractive women in front of us. Why they conversed with us is beyond me this morning.
We remembered in the mid 90’s when you could easily by 8 bleachers tickets from Ticketmaster a week before the game and ejoy a beautiful evening like last night. But for only $10 per ticket.
At $50, the Cubs must be in contention for that beacher ticket to be a value. Especially for a night game at the end of August.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
I was at the game last night, and it was so odd to see the bleachers that empty.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
OT: I wonder what is wrong with MLB-AM?
Some of the MLB.TV archives are still not available, some live feeds were not (or were only partially) available yesterday, the quality on several feeds was substandard and the support forum disappeared about 8 hours ago.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Remember ladies and gentlemen
that yes, last season, and this season especially, have been tough…but just think if it was our 18th consecutive losing season. So, for the Cubs, it would be very similar to winning the NL East in ’89, and not finishing another season above .500 since. Could you even imagine?
I’m not celebrating the Pirates recent misfortune, they can still say they’ve won a title in the last 40 years…but, it’s a nice perspective to look at when we’re going through a season such as this one.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
the pirates also
have about $80 million less in salary – that would be enough to pay for one of many other teams salary…that is the part that (at least this is my thinking) torques off many Cubs fans
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I didn't watch more than a minute or two of the game last night.
But Z’s pitch count — even with four walks — seems pretty high. Did he just have a lot of long at-bats?
Yes.
He was over 60 pitches in the third inning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Seemed like a lot of foul balls hit off Z.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Aug 31, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Gotta bring Z back
You won’t get equal value, and you’ll have to pay a huge chunk of his salary. He got jerked around (bullpen) and jerked the team around (Sox game), so let’s cal it even.
The story from last night was lll the empty bleacher seats. No more young people with beer money on a Monday night.
Wanna see a real empty bleacher section: try the night after Labor Day, one week from tonight. There will be tumbleweed blowing through.
LaRussa is a dupe for Glenn Beck 8.28.10
Agreed.
Those two night games vs. Houston will be very sparsely attended.
And if the weather turns cool during the Giants series… expect it to be even smaller.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
do you think the
last series V. the cardinals will be highly populated? I usually dont pay to close attention to the attendance but figure if the Cards are still in it that should be a high drawing series
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Yes, the Cardinal series will draw...
… especially if the Cardinals are still in the race.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Al's right! Buy my tickets!
4 for 9/24 and 2 for 9/26 (will not conflict with Bears game)
LaRussa is a dupe for Glenn Beck 8.28.10
by Dan Serafini on Aug 31, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
Even if the Cubs and Bears were playing at the same time…
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Really it is a win-win
for the fan in September . Lower ticket prices, Amtrak has off season rates, and the weather might be a bit cooler . However I would still like to see the W flag fly after the game ends .
I'll be there!
With a group of 12 or so (if we can find the space)!
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
What's the story with "NO PEANUTS".............
……….in the bleachers? Why did the Cubs do this? Is this ban to continue?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
The Cubs hosted kids with peanut allergies in the batters' eye suite last night.
Thus, no peanuts were allowed in the bleachers, because those kids could have had reactions even from the peanut dust. One of the first symptoms of a peanut reaction is death.
It’s a one-time thing, just last night only. I suspect the Cubs may do this once or twice a year. It’s a good thing for kids who otherwise would not be able to attend a baseball game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
yeah, that's not true
first, death isn’t a symptom, it’s a a result.
second, food allergies cause about 150 to 200 deaths a year. obvously, if you have a food allergy you have to be diligent about what you eat and prepared to deal with bad reactions but it is rarely fatal.
by circuitclout on Aug 31, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, so my terminology isn't exactly correct.
However, the point is the same. A person with peanut allergies may have NO symptoms until death.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
'A' person
first…peanut allergies occur in less than 1 % of the population.
second…the percentage of that less than 1% who just drop dead with no symptoms is even smaller.
Anything is possible and some are so hypersensitive to peanuts as to react as you’ve described, but to classify fatal exposure to peanuts as anything more than a rare occurence is either intentionally misleading or ignorant.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
either way
someone who is allergic to nuts can go nuts if they are exposed…and Al is correct – a person could die, especially if they were sitting in the stands and the person next to them was eating peanuts, drops them all over that person going after a foul ball and then proceeds to sneeze on that person with a mouthful of peanuts while drinking peanut beer and eating a peanut butter sandwhich
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You sure you haven't gone nuts about peanuts?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
my sons nickname is Snoop
as in Snoopy
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This would have been a better reply to my comment below.
About Charlie Brown and other “Peanuts” characters.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
You sure it's not ...y'know....Snoop?
Best keep out them vacants and hide the nailgun, yo…
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
bring your green hat
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...and someone could die from being stung by a bee at the ballpark
or being struck by lightning during a rain delay…
just because it can happen does not make it anything more than a possibility.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
So, because you can't protect against everything
you should protect against nothing?
It was one night. You can do without your nuts for one section and one night.
"It's all in the game, yo"
But Worf
Some guys just can’t live without their nuts.
by Steven Schweickert on Aug 31, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
many married men
would like to have a word with you
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You misunderstand me
I’ve no problem with the Cubs hosting peanut-free nights. I think it’s a great idea.
But it’s not some grand humanitarian campaign by the Ricketts family nor is a peanut allergy so serious that a kid would just drop dead in the Bleachers when some peanut dust wafted by.
I’m calling nonsense on the overreactions, not the policy.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
My niece has a severe peanut allergy (egg too)
No, she wouldn’t drop dead upon contact with peanut dust. But she’d need an eppy pen and immediate hospitalization. Not the easiest of things to manage when you’re at a ballgame.
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"It's all in the game, yo"
Oh for crying out loud...this is over the top.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd add to this that death can be a symptom.
Yes it is more important and a result, but if you want to get technical about it as some are here GJ, death is also a symptom and whether it is a small chance or not of course death is something to worry about as well as bad reactions to it. These kids are getting a rare chance to watch a game in a safe way and I’m very glad it happens. People with this hypersensitivity don’t always know they have a problem until they have a violent reaction.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Because I ate lots of peanuts at the game last night. Then I scopped up the peanut shells, ground them into dust with my fists and threw them into the Wrigley air without concern for my fellow man.
OK, I ate lots of peanuts at the game last night. All lies after that.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe you are strong enough to crush an empty peanut shell
That’s how I knew you were lyiing
"It's all in the game, yo"
Would you beleive me if
I said I used empty plastic beer cups and then ensured that they were not recycled? I had a few of those lying around.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
This was for families that have peanut allergies
Only certain section.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is a sign
of actually having a person as the owner of the team…
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I think it is a sign
of not eating peanuts in the bleachers for a night.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it is a sign
of lower peanut sales
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I think it is a sign
of higher ticket sales
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That's because the Cubs don't want to see Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Linus, Lucy, etc. in the bleachers.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Bring on the 5th umpire.
Common mistakes by the Official Scorer may not change the game but they do change the stats. Its time to bring on a 5th Umpire to act as the Official Scorer and Play Reviewer.
Because it's not worth it mid-game
If you must, go back at the end of the day or week or month and fix things.
"It's all in the game, yo"
They did it right in the little league WS....It took very little time and they got calls correct.
I see the umpires egos and Bud’s ignorance being the only thing keeping baseball from getting this done!
Replay, when it comes
Should only be used in plays that would put or remove the tying or go-ahead run across the plate, on base or in the on-deck circle.
No one should care about a call in a 14-2 game. Seriously? The losing team is going to argue that they got hosed?
"It's all in the game, yo"
In which case,
Wouldn’t it be a better option to let the team’s managers call for replay? This way, the stats could be correct, and yet, it probably would not be used in blowouts.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly how big a problem is this?
I mean, just how many MVPs or Cy Youngs have we lost — or more to the point, how many incentive bonuses — because replay hasn’t been in place.
A .240 hitter isn’t going to become a .300 hitter.
"It's all in the game, yo"
There is no way replay is going to cause that big a change in the stats.
I think that’s pretty clear, even proponents of replay know that.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
...
Also, the umpires can have a time limit on how long they can review plays.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
so whats a blowout?
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Again...
no reviewing plays unless they involve putting the tying or go-ahead run in the on-deck circle. Make the losing team prove they can get close.
There is wiggle room there. Maybe say the tying or go-ahead “in the hole” instead of on-deck. Maybe say tying, go-ahead or within one.
Some kind of limit though. I personally wouldn’t give it to the managers because I think they would use them as delays for warming up their pitchers or cooling off other pitchers.
If you gave it to managers, then give them two a game. If they run out, then give the umps the power to review under the limits I set forth earlier. And add in only after the seventh inning (for ump reviews)
The only stats I care about are the standings and the final score. Baseball has managed to survive 120 years without replay affecting whether a .280 hitter should be a .282 hitter.
"It's all in the game, yo"
I care about getting everything right
I dont think they should be able to replay whether a hit is a hit or an error but you are correct – give the managers 2 replays and if you use them up you use them up, boom done, maybe a booth review for the 9th for anything (especially in the case of a perfect game/no-no) but to say, sorry you are down by 4 runs so we cant review if that was a catch or a home run – you never know what play is going to cause the pitcher to lose it, an offense to get that spark – to shut everything down at a certain point is stupid and you might as well have a mercy rule
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Like I said, tweaking it a bit is fine
I just believe philosophically that a team only has a real beef with a bad call if it was a close game.
Maybe I’m not giving baseball people enough credit. You rarely see challenges when a team is down by three TDs in the NFL. Maybe they would figure it out themselves.
Or you can also give the umpire full-on veto power and say, “Look, Tony, you’re down by 5 runs. Your starter got knocked out and you’re facing Roy Halladay. It’s going to rain any second and we are in the bottom of the 4th. Go sit down and shut up.”
"It's all in the game, yo"
Just let the Umpires handle Replay
Do not let the managers throw a flag.
Baseball could actually do replay much easier than football. No explaining most rulings (catch, fumble, down by contact, etc) to the manager. No need to reset the clock.
Most plays in baseball are, well, bang bang.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I still like my suggestion
that in order to initiate a challenge the manager has to come out and have a tirade – this way while the fans are entertained the replay gets done and if the manager is wrong he gets thrown out – same with the bench coach at which point you dont have enough coaches left to challenge another one
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
No flags, just tirades
I like this. Fair, yet still entertaining.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
you are both wrong
the stats and the game should be correct…we have the technology
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That would come with the calls being correct. Where do you draw the line at a game being to far out of reach for replay?
Two 9 run leads were erased on the same day recently….What if a bad call was made and a comeback didn’t happen because of it?
so damn the results
if a team is down by X
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Yes
It’s an acknowledgement that bad calls don’t affect each and every outcome. If you are down by 9 runs, blame someone else besides the ump
"It's all in the game, yo"
You know
Umpires could have reviewed every close call in last night’s game in less time than it took you to write all this today.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, that was just fricking stupid
How long did you spend coming up with that?
"It's all in the game, yo"
You have a point here.
Let’s hope this posts as a reply for once today.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No, this is fricking stupid
Replay, when it comes Should only be used in plays that would put or remove the tying or go-ahead run across the plate, on base or in the on-deck circle.
That is assinine. I watched the cubs come back from 7-1 vs. the Astros earlier this year to win 14-7. So according to your logic, there were a series of plays that didn’t merit replay while the Cubs came back to win that game.
The Cubs scored 5 runs in the 5th inning make the score 7-6. So somewhere in that inning, the Blue Light Special lite up and now replay is working?? Preposterous.
Watch baseball and get a clue.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no interest in turning over replay to managers
who will immediately use it to freeze pitchers or allow them to warm up or to bring on rain delays.
You want replay to help you? Don’t fall behind 7-1.
"It's all in the game, yo"
I can live with that
So long as the umps have the right to deem when a manager is simply stalling for time by asking for a replay
"It's all in the game, yo"
No, no managers at all
Like you said:
Baseball has managed to survive 120 years without replay affecting whether a .280 hitter should be a .282 hitter
Umpiring, has also survived this long. Replay is just a technology and technology is just a tool to get a job done.
1. Have replay with the umpires only.
2. Expand what is replayable.
3. The Strike Zone is not replayable. There is already other tools to monitor and improve an Umpire’s strike zone. Use them.
4. Have replay from the start of the game to the end of the game. It’s just part of umpiring the game.
5. Have replay from Opening Day to the end of the World Series. It’s just part of the season.
6. Go to ball games, drink beer (for me, not the umpire), have fun.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
We're not that far off
If you give it to managers, I want my restrictions. “Getting it right” does not mean adding another tool to the manager’s arsenal of stall tactics. The game is slow enough.
If you give it solely to umps, open it up for the whole game.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Agreed
The NFL needs manager-initiated replay to cut down on how much replay there is in agame. It’s a filter.
Baseball should have alower volume of calls under review. I think baseball are much simplier too, for the most part. Out or safe, whart base is a runner on, hit or foul, etc.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a very reasonable plan.
So, under Bud Selig, it’ll never happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What if
we give Bug and even BIGGER statue? One that spins. Then?
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It would just make everyone dizzy to look at a spinning statue.
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The Colorado Rockies would like to have a word with you.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I think keeping Z is almost a certainty, at this point.
Another on-field explosion might change things. But Z is arguably better than any free-agent pitcher the Cubs could afford to sign AFTER dumping Z’s salary. That’s assuming the Cubs want to make other moves like signing Adam Dunn, possibly trading Kosuke and getting a veteran reliever or three.
Also, none of the young pitchers who have started or could start have looked all that good, so an internal replacement for Z in the rotation is unlikely. I would like to see Shark in the majors soon, though.
I'll be curious to see what they do with Shark
when he is called up
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by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
My guess is he takes Casey Coleman's rotation spot.
I’d imagine Coleman has probably pitched his way into the bullpen derby next year.
It would nice to have some horses who can run in that derby
The Cubs tried the bullpen of failed young starters this year. The results don’t beg for a repeat.
Well, let's see.
Marmol and Marshall are assumed. Cashner (if he’s not made into a starter) and Russell as near sure-things. That leaves two or (probably) three spots, and Grabow will be given every chance to have one of those, based on his contract.
The Cubs, as they did six months ago, need a dominant guy who throws right handed for the eighth inning (and that guy should not be Esmalin Caridad). Hendry will probably give somebody a mulityear deal to fill the role, but I would like to see him roll the dice in another way — maybe trade Kosuke (and cash) to a team with a right-handed reliever who needs a change of scenery.
based on next year being iffy
for contention I dont mind Z in the rotation. His WHIP is rediculous but if they can slot him as the #2 starter behind Dempster that might take some pressure off of him and if they just say, “Look, regardless if you have a bad outing or two you are going to pitch every 5th day, dont be a jackass” I think he might respond positively to that. Regardless, unless we can move most of his salary we wont be in the running for the Cliff Lee sweepstakes, might as well give it a shot.
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I would love to see the Cubs sign Cliff Lee.
But I don’t see it happening, and he’ll probably get more money than he’s worth, anyway. The decision not to try Colvin at first (to me) signals that Adam Dunn or another big bat will be signed to play there. That means the Cubs probably won’t have a lot of money to sigh Cliff Lee.
If I had to predict this offseason, I’d say the Cubs sign Dunn, trade Kosuke and save $4 million or so, acquire a Bob Howry 2007 style setup guy and look for a 1-year or 2-year rental on a starter who could be Z/Wells insurance.
I like it
and agree with you
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It probably won't be enough to make the playoffs next year.
But the team might have enough to sneak into the wild card hunt or contend if the Central is really bad.
Realistically, the Cubs need to make moves that will get the fans excited for 2011 but that will help the team truly contend in 2012 and beyond.
Totally agree on Lee.
I’d go get him and sit on getting a bat for another year, if that’s what it took.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
The problem with Lee ...
is that the Cubs will have to overpay him, because the Yankees and others will be involved. I’d pay Lee for five years. I wouldn’t pay him for eight.
Not that Jimbo is asking me what I think, though. :)
The Cubs will not sign Cliff Lee.
You can book that.
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I think you're right.
But did any of us, in August 2006, predict that the Cubs would around $300 million in the offseason?
tough question Al
do you sometimes post information as “Opinion” when you do have inside information about the situation?
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your silence is deafening
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Dude... your posts are six minutes apart
Maybe Al had to go pour another cup of coffee or something.
"It's all in the game, yo"
LMAO
Geez, now I have to answer every question in six minutes or less? Pressure’s on.
I post lots of my opinions here. I don’t think I should have to explain every one.
That doesn’t really answer the question, I know. There are some questions I can’t answer.
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what is your favorite food
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answer me DAMNIT
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hey buddy
you are on my rules here…my question, my rules
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Why do you like Joe Morgan so much?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Answer me!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot the sarcasm font. ;-)
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I was being a tad silly there
I figured you werent going to answer it regardless of what the real answer is
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If someone asks me if I have inside info...
… and I can post it without compromising my source, I will.
Otherwise, I won’t.
But about that favorite food thing? Forget it. Never telling.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and I understand that
if you blab everything then you get nothing and you have bills to pay I am sure…would be nice to get paid to do this
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I think your right
Hate to see it, but I think he will be a yankee. But what do you think about Kerry coming back at a discount? He could help stabilize the pen and would probably like to retire a Cub.
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As I've said many times
I’d do it at the right price.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But with the present state of Cubs hitting, why would Lee sign with them?
I assume he has no interest in piling up 1-0 and 2-1 losses.
So to sign Lee, they need more offense first (and some defense wouldn’t hurt, either). But that doesn’t leave the money to sign Lee.
Castro is now officially #5 in batting avg in the NL.
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Pat and Ron brought that up during each of his last AB's
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by Madison Cub Fan on Aug 31, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
watched the Extra Shitty Program Network
this morning and for all of you that wonder why Jason Heyward is so high on many RoY lists it is because they had multiple orgasms over his performance last night. Granted he had a spectacular night but they talked about him for about 5 minutes on Baseball Tonight…bleh – the things I sit through to see the score of the Cubs game
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Heyward shouldn't win RoY
But he will.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
Reggie Bush shouldnt keep his Heisman
but he will
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No, he won't
Buster Posey or Jamie Garcia are going to win. And they’ll deserve it.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently Braves fans are really divided over here.
When I made the Derrek Lee FanPost at Talking Chop a few weeks ago, I saw another FanPost titled “A Proposal to Bring Together the Pro-Heyward and Anti-Heyward Factions”.
I haven’t perused the comments in that post, however, so I don’t know what exactly the person wrote. Like my post, the Heyward FanPost was also an SB Nation Atlanta Editor’s Pick.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Are really divided over him*
Can’t write.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
How good was Colvin's throw?
Top of the 4th inning – G. Jones singled to deep right, G. Jones out at second.
My seats last night were in the right field corner, terrace reserve level. I saw Colvin run into the corner and then make the throw to second. I could not see where Colvin fielded the ball. But the throw looked great and right on the bag to get Jones at second.
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pat and ron
went nuts about that throw – sounded like a fantastic play that was fielded pretty well by Colvin
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Colvin has a good arm
It helped that Garrett Jones is probably not the fastest runner. But the throw was still great. It’s a play like like that makes me say no to Colvin at 1B.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
it also sounds like
Jones was loafing…hmmm…poor fundamentals strikes again
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He might have been out of the box
I was watching the ball come into the corner and waiting for a bad inning to start.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Pat made the comment
that “Jones thought he had an easy double”
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Fitting on Dawson Night
It was a great throw from right field, so no, the narrative of “another lazy player” fails.
LaRussa is a dupe for Glenn Beck 8.28.10
by Dan Serafini on Aug 31, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
At the game
We said Colvin was channeling The Hawk with that throw.
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by RiskyBusiness on Aug 31, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
WHA?!!??!! I thought it was Peanut-Allergy night at the Ballpark!?
;)
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
In a botanical sense...but not a culinary one.
Next thing you’ll tell me is there’s this magical animal that gives us bacon and ham and pork chops.
Keep dreaming….
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
But Peanuts
are far more sane than a hazelnut is.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And chestnuts?
Well, they’re just lazy.
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Despite scoring 14 runs
that throw got the biggest cheer (from me and the crowd) of the night.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting sidenote
pertains nothing to the game just saw it when looking for other stats - The KC Royals have the 3rd highest ba in the majors as a team…
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And they rank 15th in OBA....
… and 23rd in runs scored.
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Seattle Mariners...
dead last in the triple slash categories
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Just shows you
how unimportant batting average is compared to OBA
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
its a combo of everything
and middle of the road in OBA should have them better than the bottoms of the majors in record
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Z- Meh
We’ve seen this before.
Cubs fans and Z have a co-dependent, abusive relationship. Right now, he’s in the “bring you flowers and rub your feet and watch ’Kate Plus 8” with you" phase.
Take him back and you’ll be in the “I SAID I WANTED TURKEY POT PIE, BIOTCH” phase again by June.,
"It's all in the game, yo"
Yes
I’ve only been saying that for three years. I hated Z before it was cool to hate Z
"It's all in the game, yo"
Forgive me for not having a photographic memory of your posts, Worf.
The way I see it, the Cubs can either trade Z, pay most of his salary and get someone who definitely won’t be as good in his place, or we can roll the dice on him.
Next year will be a roll-the-dice kind of year anyway.
Note that I’m not defending Z. I’m just being a pragmatist about the situation.
You very well could be right.
But I don’t see any chance that what we would get for Z would help next year’s team.
Z might help, though the odds are bad.
This is pretty much how I feel.
The Cubs aren’t likely to get anyone to take the entire contract. If they have to pay the money, they might as well roll the dice and see if they can keep him under control. It’s clear his talent is still there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
My feeling is that the Cubs have rolled the dice plenty of times
You’re basically looking for a 10-die Yahtzee at this point.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Yeah, I know.
You know I got in the “get rid of him at any cost” camp in June.
It might not be that simple.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There's no question it won't be that simple.
The question is whether he’s worth dumping at all costs. I’d say, right now, that the answer is no.
The Cubs should explore a trade. But they should be prepared for another year of Z.
Oh we are going to take a beating on any trade
I’d jump for joy if we got 20 cents on the dollar.
I just believe the cost of keeping him is worse.
"It's all in the game, yo"
And that's the crux of the argument.
You want to dump Z at all costs.
Al and I want to see if a trade is possible while figuring that trading him for a ham sandwich would be a bigger mistake.
oh you can reply twice
in one minute to a comment but it takes you 15 minutes for you to answer my question above – I see how I rate in your world
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I just believe the cost of keeping him is worse.
This is the question management had to answer about [name redacted] last year. We know what that answer was, and it was pretty clear-cut.
it’s not quite as clear-cut with Z.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
For two reasons:
There’s a lot more money involved, and Z has more upside than MB had.
and a third reason
Both of the guys that he got into dust-ups with, Barrett and DLee, are no longer with the Cubs.
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Especially with Soriano lining up in the "dead weight" camp
Flushing Z means the 2011 dead weight $ would be about $36M less any salary relief on Z – probably no more than $5M or so. So take $30M+ from the anounced payroll budget and that’s what the real allowance is (assuming they get something out of Grabow next year).
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that, Al.
For a long time, I agreed that the talent was still there, he just needed to get his head screwed on. First, I don’t think the latter will ever happen, at least not permanently. Second, as far as the talent still being there, his velocity is down, it seems his pitch count is high every time out much like Rich Harden, he no longer eats up innings like he used to, he’s just never been the same since he got his mega-contract. Never. The no-hitter in 2008 was right in the middle of a terrible stretch where he had “dead arm” issues, was ineffective, then had one magical night, and went right back to getting shelled again the next time out.
I hate to say this about Big Z, but here goes: he’s a “league minimum” guy. Meaning that if he has something to shoot for, if there is a carrot dangled in front of him, he has the chance to be great. From 2002 to 2007, he had that carrot (which was a big money contract) dangled in front of him and he was great. Once he gets the carrot, however, the edge is gone. Since he got his big money in ‘07, I have never seen the old Z for any extended period of time. A game here or there, but never with any consistency. More than anything, I wanted him to be “the guy”. Yes, he’s had a good couple of weeks. I’m not falling for it this time. If they are not able to unload him, then so be it. As long as he’s a Cub, I’ll always root for him. But I’m still in the “get rid of him at all cost” camp. I’m just not buying this good little stretch he’s in. And last night, he was just mediocre anyway, but the team got him 14 runs. He had to labor just to get into the sixth inning. Just not the same, and IMO, never will be again.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Z isn't the same pitcher he was four years ago.
But I don’t think it’s because he is no longer pitching for a contract. He pitched a lot of innings in the Dusty years. I really think his stuff just isn’t as good as it used to be.
Agree...
…but let’’s not blame this one on Dusty as well.
By the way, how is Dusty doing with the Reds? He must have gotten smart again after leaving the Cubs.
Zambrano has had a steady decline since 07 and that is plain to see for anyone who is paying attention. He has less zip on his fastball and has also lost command (a bad combo for a pitcher). I could live with his fastball being 2-3 mph slower if he was hitting his spots, but that is not the case.
Zambrano is going to be a 10-12 win guy for the rest of his starting career assuming he stays healthy (and that is a question mark). The Cubs will try desperately to trade him, but I don’t think Ricketts will agree to the amount of dough they will need to eat and than figure out how much they will have to pay someone else to replace his innings.
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Oh, I wasn't trying to blame Dusty for Z.
Actually, watching Dusty manage the Reds — a team that doesn’t make near the mental mistakes that we used to see when he managed the Cubs — makes me think that the Cubs organization is far more responsible for players’ bad habits than Dusty or Lou ever were.
And I don’t think that’s just a developmental issue. A lot of the guys the Cubs acquire from other organizations through trades or free agency are bad fundamentally.
I have been saying...
…the samething for several years – managers don’t set up organizations to have success, good organizations put the manager in a position to have success.
There are countless examples of this, with Joe Torre being the poster child example. If the baseball organization is not strong at the top, there is no manager in the world who will overcome that and be able to win consistantly.
I only hope Ricketts has a plan to address this, and I have to admit, I am starting to worry about that a bit.
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Other than canning Hendry midseason ...
which I suppose was an option, the Ricketts couldn’t have done much in the past couple months.
Completely agree....
….and I had no problem with Ricketts observing for one year to get a handle on the goings on. Canning a GM mid-year rarely makes any sense.
What surprises me is his committment to let Hendry go into 2011 as the GM. Rarely, does a GM who has had the highest payroll in his league for 2 straight years (missing the playoffs both years) get to hire a third manager during his tenure. This puzzles me, but I am holding out hope for one scenerio; Ricketts will hire a President of Baseball Operations this offseason, who will then directly oversee Hendry’s moves and determine whether he wants to keep Hendry in that role.
I we are still status quo 6 months from now, I believe Ricketts will be making a big mistake by allowing that to happen.
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Despite the fact that BigZ was better in 2009 than he was in 2007 or 2008
That’s sure is one funky steady decline (sarcasm intended). Baseball-Reference is a good friend to have……
Yeah.
It helps to have perspective about his production over the years, you can bet any team interested in acquiring him will look at it closely, and not just get all excited he’s pitched well for a month.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
as long as management
knows that he will be “Good Ole Z” next year at some point and treat him like the 4 year old brat that he is and treat him as such then I say roll the dice…to go into next year like he is the Ace and treat him as such then I say no way Jose – get him out
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In case my stance was not clear after his dustup with Derrek Lee at US Cellular,
I broke up with Z a long time ago, after he punched Michael Barrett.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
we will see the same story out of Z eventually.
As such, the Cubs should try to trade him.
The ultimate problem is that Z can just invoke his NTC and say “NO”. When he went into time-out, he seemed to imply that he would accept a trade… but just a couple weeks later he has been spilling more of the “this is where I want to be”.
So, unfortunately, I don’t see Z going anywhere.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
IF a trade happens ...
it’ll happen in the offseason. I’m guessing you know that.
For the record ...
I hope Hendry explores possible trades. I just don’t think Z is SO hopeless that we should do anything to get rid of him.
if Jim can move Z and Fukudome this offseason
he will be absolved of the bad contract he will give a middle reliever this offseason
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet large sums of money ...
that at least one of those two will be a Cub in April 2011. My guess would be Z.
If you win that bet
Could you donate the money towards Z’s contract so we can then dump him?
if fukudome
is a good defensive RF and a league average bat, why move him?
by circuitclout on Aug 31, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
because
we can save $3.5ish million in doing so and have someone similar to Fuld as the 4th of
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And ...
we have Tyler Colvin to be the team’s third outfielder, who is also inexpensive.
if we didnt have Colvin
I would be ok keeping Fukudome – it appears we just need someone from May 1 – ASB to play RF…
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Colvin brings a couple things to the table that Kosuke does not.
1) He can hit lefties. There’s some debate as to whether Kosuke just hasn’t been given enough of a chance to hit lefties, but I don’t buy that, and neither do the Cubs. That means the team loses salary and a roster spot on someone like Xavier Nady as a complementary piece to Kosuke.
2) Colvin can be a middle-order bat. That becomes less important if someone like Dunn is signed, but Kosuke never fulfilled expectations as the lefty who could hit fifth.
Kosuke is a MUCH better defensive outfielder.
fukudome is expensive
and he’s prone to long slumps but his numbers have improved over the last three years and i’m not sure how it helps the cubs to pay him to play elsewhere while replacing him with a high-risk/high-reward option like colvin, or even eventually jackson. the cubs should have no trouble finding enough at bats for colvin next year even with fukudome on the roster and if he plays well he could garner a better return at the deadline if the cubs are out of contention.
by circuitclout on Aug 31, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
absolutely
if Fukudome was 2-3 years younger I would be all for keeping him as he is improving steadily – however, by the time he gets close to being worth his contract he will start declining…
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
he's gone after next year
and you’ll have a better idea what you have in colvin and jackson a year from now. colvin can back up at all three OF spots so you’re still likely to be able to get him 350 ABs or so next year and he can step into the starting RF job in 2012 if he continues to develop.
by circuitclout on Aug 31, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say that
after this season Colvin has warranted a good serious look at him being starting RF next year – worst case scenario he performs the same as fukudome does when he slumps during the summer and we are in the same boat after next season – remember, part of why he came out of nowhere is that he had TJ surgery that sidelined him for part of 2009
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I project Colvin to be our Tino Martinez...
that’s what I’m hoping for anyway.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
TJ surgery...
Is that where they remove your ability to see the Cubs failing?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
It's where you lose the ability to stop beating dead horses.
Just kidding, TJ. :)
He's currently sporting the second highest OPS and OPS+ on the team
Behind only Soto. I’m not on the “trade Dome for only $3m in salary relief” bandwagon anymore. I’d put myself into the “it shouldn’t be that hard to find 5ish starts a week for our 4 outfielders/maybe backup 1B next year” category. Fuld could still provide a bench pinch runner or defensive replacement.
Or we could sell high on Kosuke now ...
knowing that we have a right fielder in Colvin who looks to be ready to play every day.
If you look at Kosuke as an asset, then think of it as trading from strength as opposed to dumping him when he’s not worth much. The better he plays for the next month improves the Cubs return. I’d be thrilled if the Cubs could trade Kosuke for a good right-handed reliever, even if the Cubs had to pay a good chunk of Kosuke’s salary for next year.
Also, it’s pretty clear that the Cubs don’t intend on playing Soriano, Byrd, Colvin or Fukudome at first next season. I suppose that could change, but the fact that the Colvin at first experiment ended around the time Lee was traded could be very, very telling.
Just keep him.
He only has one more year on his contract. Dome will be more useful with us then trading him and getting reliever, while paying most of his contract. It’s only one more year anyway. He isn’t bringing down the team or blocking anybody important being a 4th OF.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
unless you can get a servicable
4th OF AND a legitamate bullpen guy for about the same amount of money and strengthen the weakest link
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
But don't you see?
That Kosuke has one more year left on his contract AND that he’s played better of late mean that he could actually bring something back in a trade. And teams should trade from strength.
Too often, the Cubs have dealt guys at their lowest value. If Hendry can get a good return for Kosuke, they should make the deal. Considering his power and his ability to hit lefties, Colvin is at the very least an adequate replacement for Kosuke.
Trade Fukudome, if you can,
and keep Z.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 31, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not opposed to dealing Z in the right deal.
I just think it’s near-impossible that the right deal will come along. I’m in the camp where I don’t think the Cubs should just GIVE him away.
Absolutely
I’m in that camp, too. If someone knocks you over with a feather regarding Z, that’s one thing. But I think he’s young enough to recover from his various demons. And pitching doesn’t grow on trees.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 31, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm in that camp of not expecting a worth-it deal.
young enough to recover from going ballistic after a bad period? not in that camp. We’ve enabled him too much on the team. Guess I hope he does though.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This will come down to...
…how badly the Cubs want to shed him as a distraction. If they have a burning desire to do that, they will have to eat considerable dough unless he throws a few complete game shut outs down the stretch. Even then, they will end up eating half his dough.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Didn't you hear? Z has turned over a new leaf.
Nobody will have to eat his dough.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
With Z's build,
He’d turn over a giant Redwood.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
We can just get one from FA
We’d have to pay most of Dome’s contract anyway. Dome can be useful for next year’s team.
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But we already have three good outfielders.
And if you want to trade from a position of strength, you either deal Kosuke or Byrd. Soriano is not going anywhere, and Colvin is too cheap and versatile to trade.
I’m not saying trade Kosuke at all costs. But if Hendry can get someone to pay $5 or $6 million of his salary (a big, big if), that money could be used to shore up the bullpen or possibly get another starter.
We have too many outfielders, and Kosuke makes the most sense to deal when his value is relatively high and he has a cheaper replacement on the roster.
damn you elgato
you are making sense
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Thanks.
What’s funny is that I suggested a couple weeks back that the Cubs consider keeping Kosuke and move Colvin to first. Al and others shot that down, but my thinking was that instead of signing Dunn, the Cubs could get Cliff Lee. Note: I’m not trying to start a Lee argument at this point because it’s pretty clear he’ll get a ton of money from the Yankees.
But if Colvin isn’t set to play first, I see very little reason why he and Kosuke should be on the team together. And if the Cubs can save a decent chunk of change in a Kosuke trade, I say make the deal.
I'd make that deal any day of the week.
If we saved a good portion of his salary. problem is the other teams realize now what they can expect from him and I doubt an offer will come of the percentage I’d like to do it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand.
I think it’s amusing that his good play of late is an argument for keeping him for some posters AND a reason trading him makes more sense now for others.
It is for the BCB members.
I doubt as much for other GMs or Hendry. However…he keeps pitching like this until the end of the season, and things may get interesting.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to me.
As long as the return is decent, we should trade Kosuke. We have a replacement — whom I believe will be better next season — ready to go.
Deal from strength, Al.
If it would somehow to beposisble to get a good right-handed reliever
and save $3m in salary relief the process, I’d jump on that. Even with his strong play, I was under the impression we could get one or the other, and not both. I’m not really in favor of that kind of return.
I don't think as always it comes down to an opinion on one day.
Hendry has been looking at trades for Z all year and one good stretch isn’t going to affect him trying to do so. I agree that making a bad trade isn’t in the interest of the Cubs now, but I doubt if he was ever willing to do that he is now.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
But when he's pitching well, then he wants to stay.
When things are blowing up, he seems more willing to leave.
It really becomes a double-edged sword that stabs the Cubs either way.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Same as any high priced egotistical athlete. Of course, it is pretty common.
It is a double edged sword I am sure the Cubs would rather not deal with long term. Sooner or later he will go on a bad streak and blow up again. But getting nothing for him would hamstring the team as well. Not a great solution here really.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Cobwebs in the stands
I was at the game last night, and I saw something I never could imagine happening in Wrigley. The two seats right in front of us had cobwebs on them. I was shocked at first… then realized they just came off a road-trip… but the image still remains… how odd that was, and how empty the park was. Sad.
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions
No, it's not sad. It's good.
And good that the Ricketts were on the field so they had a nice up close view of what they can expect in the future, if they think this is still 1987, and that losing is going to be tolerated. The only way you get a billionaire owner’s attention is with empty seats, so there is nothing wrong with that. And besides, if we have not proven out loyalty to the rest of the baseball world and to ourselves at this point, we never will. Having empty seats in the second half this year, IMO, has been a very important first step to improving things, and I am personally very happy to see it.
I did feel terrible for Hawk that the stands were so empty on his night, but for the greater good, I was happy to see Tom Ricketts a half-full (at best) ballpark. My general impression of the Ricketts family is that they want to win. But everyone wants to win. Even the Tribco suits wanted to win. It makes no sense that any owner would ever want to lose. But this offseason is going to tell a lot about whether or not the Ricketts have the white-hot PASSION to win that we all hope they have. I’m very interested to see how they are going to react to a season like this.
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by ctcoff99 on Aug 31, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
good thoghts
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Ricketts will have no one...
…to blame but himself moving forward if the club does not turn things around and move towards building a strong baseball organization as Ricketts has stated he wants.
No matter how smart of a businessman Ricketts is, he is not a baseball man and does not posses the knowledge or experience to determine what is best for both the short term and long term health of the baseball organization. He has comitted to “start” 2011 with Hendry as his GM and we will see how that plays out. Beyond that, you hope he has a plan to elevate the quality of the baseball organization from the top down.
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i have reserved judgement
on Ricketts until I see the actions taken. Its not like much could have been done in the middle of the season to fix this mess. BUT, if they want to show the fans a committment to winning, there will have to be some moves made, which in a relatively weak FA crop, might be a challenge.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Here is the problem...
…how can an objective person trust the current baseball brain trust to make the right moves?
I would think the first move should be to add a quality baseball mind to try and eleminate some of the mistakes that have been made and to hopefully be in a postion to make better decisions that aren’t just throwing money against the wall and seeing what sticks.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
the problem is
who is out there that is available? Nobody with proven success. Also, if the Ricketts want to win, they are gonna have to spend, and eat, some $$$$. But if improvements are not made, to the point where we at least contend a little next year, than its time to move on.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I highly doubt...
…Ricketts will have an appetite to; spend, spend, spend to cover up previous mistakes.
What this all comes down to are making good decisions, and keeping the status quo in the brain trust to get this accomplished would not be wise.
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Having spent over $800M on a team
Someone in the family should at least the basics of “baseball man” down, right quick.
They won’t be making the trades, signings or draft picks. But they have to evaluate the people who do to preserve the family investment.
Empty stands during the ceremony.
What a lot of people don’t realize is that 30 minutes before game time for most night games, the stands are pretty empty even on days when the night game is a sellout. People have work, they get stuck in traffic, etc.
If they wanted to have a full house, they should have done it before a day game. ANY day game. 30 minutes before Wednesday’s game, there will be more people in the bleachers than there were on Monday, even if the total crowd is smaller. People show up earlier to day games.
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So very sad to see that .
However it was to be expected after the fall of the 2010 team . Lots of folks with money problems and it is very expensive to take a family there . THe diehards will continue to attend .
ew
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by katie casey on Aug 31, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone else notice
that Andre thanked the fans watching at home on WGN when the broadcast was on CSN. :) Or did he mean the fans back in the day?
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Maybe the Hawk still thinks
all of the games are on WGN . Just like the good old days . REmember when you could see a fair amount of baseball on TBS and WGN ??
I'll be around section 205 for tonight's game
I doubt I’ll get there early enough to say hi to the fans in the bleachers, but I’ll look out for you, Al.
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I say
We should trade Silva for Francisco Rodriguez and keep Z. The Mets get a starter and save $5 million and the Cubs get an 8th innning righty and insurance for Marmol. Then, the 1st time K-Rod blows a win for Z, they can do a UFC style cage match on the mound. That would sell some serious tickets.
by SouthWabashSoul on Aug 31, 2010 10:32 AM CDT reply actions
I say
We should trade Silva for Francisco Rodriguez and keep Z. The Mets get a starter and save $5 million and the Cubs get an 8th innning righty and insurance for Marmol. Then, the 1st time K-Rod blows a win for Z, they can do a UFC style cage match on the mound. That would sell some serious tickets.
by SouthWabashSoul on Aug 31, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions
a little off topic
but i have watched parts of a couple Nats games in the last few days and Dunn had some pretty good plays at 1st base. He isnt exactly Lee, but definitely better there than in OF.
aybe a Cub next year?
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I'm not opposed to it.
I’ll take his OBP, which is good enough to provide offense while at the same time being consistent.
I know detractors will say he strikes out a lot, but what the heck, isn’t a strikeout of the same value as a popout or a flyout? One out = one out.
I know he’s not Lee, but Lee had quite the run at first while with us. I’m hoping Dunn comes and has a few good years with us. Just no 8-year contracts with a NTC, please!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
the value of a pop out
is that if you have a runner on base they have a chance to advance 90 feet as well as still putting the ball in play therefore giving you the chance for reaching base on an error…therefore a K is an unproductive out…it is the biggest reason I dont like Dunn – that I and I am afraid of the contract that Hendry jams down his throat
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by hansman1982 on Aug 31, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
But that's Jim's specialty!
Just no 8-year contracts with a NTC, please!
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by digitalbenjamin on Aug 31, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions
I know.
Just ask Soriano.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
When Z has his next bad start...
are we going to ask that he is traded at all cost again? Trade Z at the end of the season and save some money. I hope Z has a good career wherever he goes.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Golfdish have longer memories and attention spans
than some people on here
Z's act is tired
He does this all the time. Shows flashes of brilliance (albeit against the Pirates), has a meltdown, press conference, fresh start, etc, etc.
I’m just tired of him. He’s just not very professional. Plus he totally crapped the bed in the opener this year.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad they won and hopefully he’s increasing his value, I personally don’t want to see him in a Cub uniform anymore.
I felt that way too after the last meltdown.
But if Hendry can’t trade him — even getting someone else’s bad contract in return — what are you going to do? Release him and eat all of the deal?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fun Fact
Casey Coleman started the first game of Iowa’s double-header with Albuquerque. Darwin Barney has singled and scored and Micah Hoffpauir has a two-RBI double.
Ahh, the wonders of suspended games.
Did Coleman pitch long enough to get the win?
That’d be cool — to get a win in Triple-A while you are in a major league rotation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No
In fact, he never took the mound. The game was delayed in the top of the first.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Even better!
He starts a game and doesn’t throw a pitch!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hey Al...
everything cool now?
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet you wake up everday thinking...
“Who do I have to argue with today on BCB?”
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I can bet that whole sequence never would have been expected.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The peanut sequence?
I left for class when it started and when I got back, it was deleted.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Good sketches burn out quickly rather than fading away.
Not sure what happened with this one though ;)
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet Lou retiring did take a little chunk out of it.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the score of the game so far?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Iowa leads
4-0 and are still batting in the top of the first inning.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this the first or second game?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
First game
The suspended games are always played first and will be a full nine innings. Game two will be a seven inning affair.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 31, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Here I go...hitting rephresh.
so many witty comments about to vanish…
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:48 PM CDT reply actions
all swivelity has been lost...
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
email me
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
No fair.
I’m always the last one standing at musical chairs.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No, SWL is being serious.
Trust me, he has something to show Gibbon Jockey (internet picture).
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he is.
That’s why I said it lol. No cool table for me.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok fine...email me too.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
No...sniff...that's ok.
I don’t need your pity :P
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU WHINY BITCH!
I went through the trouble of finding something just for you and you pull the “sniff sniff” act?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You did?
You like me, you really like me!!!!
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You have 3 minutes before I delete it forever.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Delete what witty comments?
the peanut dust stuff?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Hmm dunno but I did email him.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all dust in the wind now..
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It's pean.....ahem...nevermind.
It’s BUTTER JELLY TIME!!!
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
In the tailpipe...
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
whatever you do on the internet aside from here is your own business
freak.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not falling for it.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe it was Damon Wayans who provided the offending fruit to Eddie Murphy
before he became a big star.
Wayans…not Murphy.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
Don’t know the name of the rival detective who wore the anti banana in the tailpipe disguise…seemed to fade away after the movie unlike Damon. Loved Damon in In Living Color. He’s already in a classic as well…The Last Boyscout. Bad acting but great movie.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't fool the Alster!
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet you think that looks like a banana.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
and...it is dancing.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Those pom poms are pretty puny.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Dust in the wind...
All we are is dust in the wind….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing lasts forever but the earth and skyyyy
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, matter cannot be created or destroyed...
so we have and always will exist.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
However, all your money, won't another minute buyyyyy
All we are is dust in the wind.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy cow...
A lot more vanished than I thought. I feel violated. Thankfully for you all I still have my clothes on.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
my chestnut about being allergic to chestnuts got axed!
wasn’t that funny anyways.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Aug 31, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
ISWYDT.
I’ve got an abnormal funny to that old commercial where a guy with a long beard growling gets a atra or something to shave it off, then looks sedate as his wife swoons and says…I’ve been swivelized! …guess we all were today.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope they saved some runs for
tonights game.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
not to be negative...
but in the 9 other times this team has scored in double digits, they have only scored 5 or more runs in the very next game exactly twice.
The following are the times they’ve score in double digits and the ensuing score of the next game.
12-4
11-7
10-2
14-2
12-0
12-4
11-5
14-3
15-0
14 – TBD
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Aug 31, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I know. That's
what bothers me when they score in bunches like last night. Maybe tonight they will change that.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
That's what I was thinking too when they kept scoring.
Though I’m sure with our record with the Pirates this season, it took Quade awhile to decide they needed to slow down. Gotta take your runs when you can. Let’s hope they can score 5 or more tonight.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 31, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Last
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