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OT-Vintage Base Ball 1860's Rules

Last weekend my family and I went up to Big Bend, WI to a see a couple of vintage 1860's base ball (yes-it was two words) matches (games). It was a nice break from the type of ball the Cubs have been giving us lately. I just thought I'd share some of the experience with any of you that may be interested. 

We went to see the Milwaukee Cream Citys, the Milwaukee Grays and the La Crescent Apple Jacks. They try to present the game as historically accurate as possible in regards to the rules, equipment, uniforms, field specifications, customs, and language of the period. They apologized for the bleachers and chain link fence as that is not authentic to the time period, but they are planning on using it for a little league team.

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The flag only has 33 stars.

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Vintage bats.

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The umpire explains the rules.

 

The visiting team doesn't necessarily get to bat first. The decision is made by a coin toss of the umpire. Before they got underway, they very politely asked for permission from the ladies to roll up their sleeves as it was rather hot outside. We readily consented. It was evident to us cranks (fans) immediately that this was indeed a gentleman's game.

It is the hurler's (pitcher's) job to deliver the ball as near as possible over the center of the dish (home plate) and to the striker's (batter's) liking. It would be ungentlemanly of him to try to deceive. He pitches the apple (ball) underhand. The behind (catcher) wears no protective gear and none of the ballists (players) wear gloves.

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The hurler-I believe his name is Stache.

Some of the rules were as follows...

  • Foul balls do not count as strikes.
  • The striker is out after swinging and missing 3 balls if the behind catches the third strike on the fly or first bounce.
  • If the behind does not catch the 3rd strike on the fly of first bounce, the striker may try to make 1st base.
  • Any ball first touching the ground or touched by a player within the base lines is fair, even if it goes a foul thereafter.
  • Hand outs (Outs) are made when any ball, fair or foul, is caught on the fly or first bounce.

When a tally (run) was scored the player reported to the tally table and requested an ace (run) be recorded. He would get to ring a Tally Bell and they kept the score on a chalkboard.

There is only one umpire. He makes no calls of hands out (outs) unless the ballists cannot come to an agreement. Ballists are either out or not out, the word safe was not used. If there is a disagreement and he didn't see the play he'd discuss it with the players and even ask the cranks what happened in order to make his decision. Replay-what's that?

 

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The umpire, the striker and the behind.

The language also made it entertaining. One particularly enthusiastic rooter yelled things like  "nice daisy cutter" (ground ball). There were lots of compliments like "well played" and "well struck". The ballists had great names like Handlebar, Butterfingers and Skunk. The outfield was called the garden.

If anyone is interested in going to a vintage game or learning more The Vintage Base Ball Association has all kind of info. If you are looking for a team in your area it has a list of their members most of which have websites of their own with their playing schedules. The Cream Citys Handbook is also interesting. Along with the rules it has more info about the equipment, uniforms and at the end it has a fun list of reasons not to swear which is pretty amusing.

Hip Hip Huzzah!

katie

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I want the umps clothes.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Aug 9, 2010 6:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Shot a feature piece on a vintage game a couple summers ago.

A long drive out past the SW Twin Cities Metro to a little town and it was an absolute riot. Anyone who can, get out to see a vintage game some time.

by MN exile on Aug 9, 2010 6:48 PM CDT reply actions  

The La Crescent Apple Jacks that we saw

came all the way from MN for this game which was about 25 miles southwest of Milwaukee. That could explain why they seemed to be particularly serious about getting all the rules right.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 9, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mine was with the St. Croix Valley something-or-others, I believe.

It was a couple years ago, and I think they took on a “town ball” team.

Even though I was running around with a camera and monitoring audio, it was a load of fun, and I’d go to one again without hesitating, given the chance. (And presuming I hear about it ahead of time!)

by MN exile on Aug 9, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great post.

Thanks for the photos and the explanation. Sounds like a fun time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Aug 9, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks. It was awesome.

And since these particular games were held at a park, they were free. Often they play at historical living museums where you have to pay to get into the place to see the game. Not only did they not charge us, but one of the guys seemed so pleased to have real cranks (that weren’t friends/relatives of the ballists) that he invited us to join them for their BBQ later. How’s that for hospitality? Unfortunately, we couldn’t stick around. But that would have been neat because all of the guys were so eager to answer all our questions.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 9, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wonderful

just a wonderful post. So how many cranks turned out?

Go Cubs!

by wild bill on Aug 10, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks. The five of us may have been it.

Seemed like mostly family and friends-maybe a couple dozen at the most. I’m guessing that when there are events held at places like in this video (Old World Wisconsin) that there would be a larger crowd. We couldn’t make it to any of the games there so we started searching online for the schedules of the teams they mentioned and found a date and place that worked for us.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I played vintage base ball for about four years

It was a blast. Much friendlier and just as competitive as the softball leagues I used to play in. My wife will tell you I have am a great behind.

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Aug 9, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

lol

That’s cool.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 9, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure the games were corkers!

Thank you for the report.

"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain

by brook on Aug 9, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

My Dad used to play vintage ball

He’s 83 now so that tells you it was a while ago. The story that has been told in the family is that some of the old House of David players put together a league to play by the original base ball rules and that my dad’s league grew out of that. I’ve tried to find verification but have’nt found any.
P.S. here’s a link to the old House of David baseball research.
http://www.peppergame.com/

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by carolinacub on Aug 10, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Interesting story and link.

Thanks.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post

Everytime I see stuff on re-enactments like this I do have to wonder if they are presented through a rose colored lens:
I would like to know for certain how gentlemanly these games were. We’ve all seen pictures of how rowdy fans could get by the turn of the century – seems like there would be plenty of heckling and gambling going on. Also I would like to know if it was an odd place for women to go to back in the day when most of their men were likely in the middle of the Civil War. Were early female “cranks” the 1860s version of groupies?

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 10, 2010 9:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Good point about the rose colored lens.

I found this which suggests the Civil War changed the game a bit .

Although baseball was somewhat popular in larger communities on both sides of the Mason Dixon line, it did not achieve widespread popularity until after the war had started. The mass concentration of young men in army camps and prisons eventually converted the sport formerly reserved for “gentlemen” into a recreational pastime that could be enjoyed by people from all backgrounds.

Also, one of the rules on a sheet they handed out to us at the game I was:

No person engaged in a match, either as umpire, scorer, or player, shall be, either directly or indirectly, interested in any bet upon the game.
Can’t help but wonder if in fact it was a problem, hence the need for the rule.

I bet any rules about swearing may have been due to the females present. I like to use those rose lens to think they got the guys to behave rather than that they were groupies. :) You could be right though. They could have been early Trixies.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 10, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

So I guess what I take away from this

Is that the term “slump buster” likely dates back to the 1860s – or at least some form of it maybe “decline ender”?

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 10, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

This sort of talk is improper.

You are being vulgar and offending my sensitive ears.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 10, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

So much for

19th century sensibilites matching our own. I guess the much maligned “collapse stopper” should never be used in public either.

Good manners and clean speech never go out of style.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Aug 10, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Once a Cub, always a Cub

I played a few seasons for a vintage team near Grand Rapids, MI. The CUBBIES! The Fallasburg Cubs. Gotta say that it is a lot of fun. And… like the ‘real’ Cubs… we lost most of our games too. Geez. Did those curses affect us too?? But if you get a chance to watch it, do it. The commitment to the authenticity is tremendous.

by Keithmc6 on Aug 10, 2010 9:30 AM CDT reply actions  

this sounds very cool....I'd love to go to one of these, thanks for the links also.

puts me in the mind of one of our favorite books (Crazy 08)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Aug 10, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Springfield

It IS a blast! I play for the Springfield, Il. Long Nine. We occasionally get up to Milw. & play up there. We play that any ball caught on one bounce is an out as well. Any foul language or spitting is punishable with a days wage (25 cents). I have made it a family affair as two of my sons & one grandson also plays for the Long Nine. I have another son who lives in Vernon Hills & he plays for the Chicago Salmon. Check out the Springfield Long Nine website, and we may be playing in an area near you.

"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields

by KedzieKid on Aug 10, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great.

I see that the Chicago Salmon is playing in Des Plaines this weekend. My son and daughter are planning to see a Civil War reenactment there that my niece is participating in. I bet the vintage game is at the same place.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 10, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn traditionalists!

Seriously, I have caught a Long Nine game and they are fun to watch. I particularly love the first bounce rules.

Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted. -- Albert Einstein

by Worf on Aug 10, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

TALLY BELL!

The next retro stadium must have a TALLY BELL. Whoa..

by aldimond on Aug 10, 2010 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

That looks like fun!

Baseball the way Abner Doubleday intended it to be played ;-)

Thanks for posting that!

by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Aug 11, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

No DH, I see.

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by BatCubFan on Aug 11, 2010 4:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I think I saw a technical balk in there somewhere

Everything that can be counted does not necessarily count; everything that counts cannot necessarily be counted. -- Albert Einstein

by Worf on Aug 11, 2010 4:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Now I what kind of game Selig likes to watch.

Seriously, great post. I wish I could see a match using old base ball rules soon.

Question. What did the ball they used look like?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Aug 12, 2010 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Here. I found this photo on the Cream City site.


I’m guessing the boy in uniform is a mascot (batboy). I didn’t see a mascot at the games I attended.

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by katie casey on Aug 12, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's too late to help this year...

…but Cantigny (http://www.cantigny.org/) has a Vintage baseball tournament every summer. It was in June this year and it seems like it’s usually been June or July in previous years. It’s a fun way to spend an afternoon.

Great post, by the way.

by MarchHare on Aug 14, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks.

I’ll have to watch for that. That would be a great place for one.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 14, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the laugh.

No wonder the other cranks were teasing us about our attire. I thought it was my son’s Cubs shirt (this was in Brewer territory), but it must’ve been our shorts that were shocking them.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Aug 19, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

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