Fredi Gonzalez a leading candidate to replace Lou?
Really hope this isn't the outcome we've been waiting for...
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There has been talk
in Atlanta about him and I believe he owns a home here(ATL). I wouldnt have a problem with him as a mgr, but going back to the Girardi argument. Which would you do. The Cubs will be back but are not consistent, the Braves have a very strong young core and, although havent won alot in the last few years, have still been consistently good.
RYNO all the way.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
personally
I’d be just fine with this. Fredi is, by most accounts, a good manager that was a bit shackled in Florida. He’s also a guy that knows how to work with a club of young players, if the organization decides to start transitioning to the future.
That said, I’m not going to hold my breath for this one. Fredi is, by most accounts, the favorite to head back to Atlanta and take over for Bobby Cox. The system is strong, and they have young stars in the bigs. It’s a good situation for him.
Is he my favorite? I’m not sure, but he’d be in my top 3.
btw, i'm pretty sure hardballtalk
references the gordon wittenmeyer article. for those that haven’t read the article
I'm sure Jessica would be happy
and I wouldn’t be unhappy. But I’m still convinced he’s taking the Atlanta job.
Personally, I think a lot of the managerial talk is so that when Sandberg is hired, Hendry can say he looked at lots of great managers and Sandberg won the job. I don’t think he wants it to look like he was just handed the job.
If that's the case,
Hendry should be fired simply for that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I would not be unhappy with Sandberg
But Fredi was my first choice. Let’s just say I think anybody fired by Loria is a very good manager.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 2, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
There is probably...
…4-5 different guys they could hire that would have success if the environment was right and Gonzalez is one of them.
The bigger question is; will the environment be one where a good manager can have success?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
So let's hire
a crappy one like Sandberg?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
how is Sandberg a crappy manager
inexperienced and the major league level but certaintly cant call him crappy
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It's no use
discussing this with him. He’s made up his mind and he’s not going to be rational or even pleasant about it.
Irrationality is the province of the Sandberg lovers
Well, most of them, at least.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that's mean!
Who knows whether Sandberg will be a good manager or not? I certainly don’t, but I also don’t see any red flags as to why he couldn’t be good.
I do think there are better candidates than Sandberg, but that doesn’t mean he couldn’t win if he had the right support from above.
Speaking of crappy, if your GM makes crappy decisions, the manager you choose won’t matter much in the end.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Sep 1, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
What makes Sandberg crappy?
He’s had a lot of success at each level of the minors.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I used "crappy" to make a point
Seems like some people are pimping Sandberg because a “good” manager wouldn’t want to come to the Cubs. So that would infer Sandberg is the opposite of good. Doesn’t sound like they’re helping their own cause.
I don’t want Sandberg to be manager, but “crappy” isn’t a word I’d use to describe him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
This is pure fiction.
There isn’t a single poster who has stated they wanted Sandberg BECAUSE the Cubs CAN’T get a “good” manager.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Perhaps, cw
But I’ve been seeing/hearing that rationale a lot.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
This is NBF you're talking about
He’s not rational about this topic.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 1, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
interesting article
here about Hendry talking with Sandberg and potential plans for him.
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I really wouldn't mind that
That said, I doubt Sandberg would want to be the bench coach to a 53 year old Mike Quade. He wants to be a manager, but being stuck behind a guy of a similar age would make it difficult for him to rise up to that spot. I don’t know – I wouldn’t mind Quade/Sandberg. I think if it was an old guy being brought in, someone that would likely be gone in a year or two, Ryne might ponder it a bit more.
My gut feeling is that we won’t end up with both Quade and Sandberg. If one of them gets the manager’s job, my guess is the other one goes, and I wouldn’t be surprised if another team offered the loser a managing job.
As a total side note, lost amidst all the discussions on those 2 “who rose up the ranks” is Pat Listach, who moved on to Washington, but was very highly regarded, and still is. Haven’t heard his name really connected, although some speculation is out there. I think I would probably take Fredi Gonzalez ahead of all of them, but that’s on gut feeling on what is out there, but what makes me pause is that, all the positives about Fredi are similar to the positives on Ryne and Mike.
As a side note, MPH is right. Without a good team, the best manager wouldn’t succeed. Talent and coaching goes hand in hand, so there needs to be a fit in regards to GM/manager style, and a fit with players.
I would be shocked if it's not Sandberg or Girardi.
In a perfect world, Girardi is hired and Sandberg is his bench coach.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I would be shocked if it's Girardi
From Jerry Crasnick today
Right off the top, we’ll dispense with one media-fueled drama and assume that Yankees manager Joe Girardi isn’t going anywhere unless: (A) the Cubs give him so much money that he can build his own alumni wing at Northwestern University or (B) the Yankees force the issue by cutting corners. We scanned the baseball landscape this week, and one executive after another wondered why Girardi would ever make the move.
The only person...
…who can understand why he would make the move is Girardi himself, and no one really knows what his true motivation is or will be.
I for one, happen to think the emotional tug of the Cub job may indeed be very compelling to him for all the reasons we all know. Now, time will tell whether that is how he truely feels.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Girardi is smart enough to know....
…this might be the only chance he ever gets to manage the Cubs….I still think there is a decent chance he takes it.
Do you want to be remembered as the manager who won the 28th or 29th Yankees World Championship or the one who could win the biggest World Championship in the history of professional sports (it would be hands down BTW)
Certainly something worth thinking about if your Girardi….
Precisely
Thrown in his Peoria/Chicago connections and it makes sense.
If we were talking about any other Yankees manager, I’d probably reject this speculation out of hand.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I know this feels like Wade all over again...
…but there’s no way to tell how much his personal issues will play into his decision. Therefore, that’s why I wouldn’t be “shocked.” If it was strictly a professional decision, then it’s a no brainer to stay with the Yankees.
Moreover (as you alluded to) if the Yanks get swept in the ALDS, I could see a scenario where they don’t go out of their way to keep him.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
That NBC article wins Ryne Sandberg Bingo
He’s almost certainly the fans’ choice, and he has paid his dues in the minors.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
If I read this "paid his dues" trope one more time, I'm going to vomit
Apparently, dues-paying isn’t what it used to be.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That much...
…I have to agree with and “paying your dues” should not be one of the top criteria in ingrediants that Cubs are looking for in their new manager.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Kchance must mean
“dunderhead” in some foreign language.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's got a ring
Does St. Ryno of Wrigley?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
so does Lou, amongst others
point?
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It will be one of the sadder days in Cubs history
when, in October 2013, Ryne Sandberg is fired and badmouths this team on the way out the door.
Even sadder, much of this board will be encouraging the move.
"It's all in the game, yo"
by Worf on Sep 1, 2010 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
I could see Sandberg
scaling the foul pole and ripping down is own retired number. Yeah, that would do it.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 1, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, that would actually be kind of awesome
"It's all in the game, yo"
by Worf on Sep 1, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hell yes!
Finally a way to quit this club!
- Sandberg will tear down his number like a scab from a giant wound.
- The faithful will riot and rip up Wrigley Field plank by plank.
- The franchise is sold to a Las Vegas casino to pay off Ricketts gambling debts from the preceding downward spiral
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by vonde6 on Sep 1, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then grabbing a beer...
…and sliding down the escape chute onto Waveland Ave.
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It's Sandberg's legacy to care about...
Sandberg may or may not be the right choice for manager, but why should we care that he might fail? He doesn’t care, because he’s a winner and expects to succeed. No one makes thoughts of firing Girardi part of the decision making process for going after him.
We should care...
…because we want to have fond memories of Sandberg, like we have now.
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What would be far worse...
…is if Jim Hendry is still around to hire his 4th manager.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
For this hiring yes...
…I was talking if this one gets nuked in a few years and he goes on to manager number 4 during his tenure.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
We could count
his firing of Don Baylor & bringing Bruce Kimm to be manager as his first hiring.
Thus, hoping he’s not the GM that hires Lou’s replacement.
You Could Be Right...
and it could be before October 2013. We simply don’t know how Sandberg will manage in the major leagues. He deserves a lot of consideration for the Cubs job, but that scenario of his having an unsuccessful relatively short stint as the skipper is very plausible.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
It's Girardi's job if he wants it.
There’s NOT going to be any hiring until Girardi’s season is over. Then they can talk and hopefully Ricketts and NOT Hendry, make their offer to Girardi…which, in fact, will contain many millions of dollars. If he wants it, it’s his. If not, it’s Sandberg’s…but, they still have to go through the “interviewing minority candidates” phase, to keep Selig and Watson off their asses.
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I really doubt that Fredi is a token interview
The job may very well be Ryne’s, but Fredi, in terms of managerial ability, has all the traits that Ryne has (works hard, teaches fundamentals, has some fire, maintains discipline, good rapport with players), while also having major league experience as a manager. Both are a tinge more old school than new, I guess, although I think Fredi is viewed as a bit more willing to try different ideas/strategies out.
Fredi Gonzalez might be the top managerial candidate out there this winter. He’s that highly respected.
Agree...
…and on paper (looking at it objectively), Girardi, Gonzalez and even Brenly are better candidates than Sandberg.
If proven major league success is important (and I’m guessing that is tops on the list) the three guys above are clearly better candidates right now.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I don't really get how any of us can say who would be the best candidate
Since we all have so little information about these people. All we really know is their job history, and the only defense seems to be experience. Without knowing these manager’s philosophy on winning baseball games (which includes a billion different ideas from pregame warmups to bullpen use), I’m not all that willing to throw my support in any corner, and it won’t matter at all if the players stink anyway.
Gonzalez would be a great choice
Unlike Sandberg he:
1) Has a successful major league track record
2) Speaks Spanish
3) Doesn’t have a legacy that will be tarnished when he is inevitably run out of town
by Wreckard on Sep 1, 2010 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I was in favor of Gonzalez before Lou was hired.
He’d be a good manager. I think Sandberg would be a better one.
Incidentally, to the poster above who thinks the Cubs will “wait” for Girardi: um, no.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What if....
….uh, Sandberg’s (potential) hire….works out??
Or, do we just assume a Fail?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 1, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions
That would be great
I just don’t think it will, and I think the Cubs aren’t in a position to take a chance.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I think they are in just such a position.
Because the last two “veteran”, “big-name”, “experienced” managers didn’t work out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Says the same man who tells me
Just because Gary Gaetti didn’t work out doesn’t mean Jim Edmonds wouldn’t. ;-)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
It’s different only because we’re talking about Ryno. And a lot of Cubs fans seem to have a big blind spot when it comes to him and this job.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe some do.
I understand his experience level is less than others. I am not asking for this hire because of sentimentality. I believe he is the right choice at this time in Cubs history, and he has worked hard and done everything he has been asked to do by the organization.
He has earned a promotion, in my opinion. Companies should do this more often for exemplary employees like Ryne Sandberg.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Promote him
to the new manager’s coaching staff.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Ozzie and Girardi has little experience as well
when hired as managers, or does they not count?
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Who does the Goonsta want for the next Cubs manager?
SANDBERG. “Why because he is a Cub hall of famer? If his name was Bob Sandberg and had the same resume you wouldn’t want him.” You bet I wouldn’t want him. Players want the best people to manage them, right? Well, why not have a hall of fame player managing the team you are playing for? You have some Bob Sandberg saying, “I’m the new manager. Go run me some laps fatsos.” The players will think, “Well ok.” Then you got Hall of Famer Sandberg saying “Go run me some laps fatsos.” The players will be like “He’s a Hall of Famer, he knows how to be good. Let’s run some laps. He thinks I’m fat?”
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You really think
players think like that?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 1, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Let them all
draw straws……short one loses, ummmmmmmm, wins the job. Just adding a little humor here.
Guess we’ll all find out soon enough who the chosen one is. I pity him if he doesn’t succeed from the get go. It won’t be easy because the media and fans will be on him like “white on rice” without considering the bigger picture.
If this is true, I have a problem with Hendry's search criteria
From the NBC piece:
Sources say that Gonzalez is at the top of general manager Jim Hendry’s wish list in the early stages of the process and that he prefers a manager with major-league experience
Wasn’t that the same knock on Girardi in 2006? And now some people think/hope/pray that Girardi will come back to the Cubs, while there are no indications that the Yankees are dissatisfied with Girardi as manager. The Prodigal Son does not always return home.
So if Sandberg does not have enough MLB manager/coaching experience, what does Hendry expect him to do? I hope Hendry does not expect Sandberg to go manage elsewhere and then return to the Cubs some time down the road. Girardi has shown that be wishful thinking.
If anything, the 2011 Cubs are probably the best time to bring in a less experienced manager to learn with, hopefully, a younger team.
I am not saying that the Cubs should hire Sandberg because they did not hire Girardi for the same reason – no major-league experience. I previously even considered that a Sandberg hire could be considered a rebound decision of Girardi.
But I think that Hendry has got to have a different search criteria than the ones that brought in Baker and then Piniella, only to watch them age before us like they were the president of the United States.
I want the next Cubs manager to get it. I want him to understand what he is walking into and not have an epiphany at the Cubs history, the size and style of the Chicago media, the additional commitments. I want the next Cubs manager to be able to grasp the whole ball of wax.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Which is exactly what someone like Girardi would do
while also bringing the requisite experience.
People are making it sound like if the Cubs don’t hire Sandberg, they’re missing out on the next John McGraw or Miller Huggins. I don’t think so.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 2, 2010 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Girardi would definitely know what he is walking into
And hopefully, he would bring some “Yankee Way” improvements with him. But Girardi is the early and extra Christmas present from the long, lost uncle who won the lottery.
I don’t know how good Sandberg will be as a manager, but he has done well so far in the minors.
I just don’t want Hendry to think that other MLB teams are a proving ground for Cubs future managers. Farm them out and then reel them back in.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 2, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
In just under four seasons, his record is OK
not great, not terrible.
If he wants to be a big-league manager so badly, he can cut his teeth with a franchise that isn’t so desperate for a World Series title. The Mariners or Diamondbacks would be perfect.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 2, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't factor in desperation
It might be because I grew up in LA as a Dodgers fan and watched them finally beat the Yankees in the 1981 WS.
MLB is a very clubby business – coaches and managers are usually in some club of personnel that they have worked with previously. I think Hendry may like Gonzalez because them both worked for Dombrowski with the Marlins in the mid-90s.
I would not be surprised if Sandberg ended up with the Phillies, in some capacity, based on his relationship with Dallas Green.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 2, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Except Girardi had about the same managerial experience as Girardi
A short stint with the Marlins, going a very good job before being fired by a nut job owner.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
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by Doggie Stalker on Sep 2, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and Gonzalez his hard-nosed like Girardi too
Benching Hanley Ramirez helped his reputation. I would think Gonzalez would be the top choice in Atlanta, and it is probably his top choice too – familar with the organization and he lives in Marietta, Georgia.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 2, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I cannot wait until Hendry hires a manager...
So we can at least all bitch about the same person. This is getting absolutely unbearable during an already terrible season.
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