Aramis Ramirez Undecided about 2011 Option
I'm not really sure why he's undecided. It seems like an easy choice to me. Although, with the team being bad, maybe he does want one last long term deal. But for a guy who's been on the DL for extended time the last two years, I'm not sure what team would give him one.
He also seems really skeptical about the current state of the team:
"They don't know what they're going to do at first, or second," he said. "I'm sure they'd like to add a couple relievers in there, probably another starter. They have more things to worry about than me right now."
"It doesn't matter," he said. "I don't think a $6 or $7 million manager is going to make any difference. You've still got to have good players. That's the key."
It sounds like he's genuinely torn; 16M for one year, or chance at contention with another team.
As a Cub fan I think I would be happy if he doesn't exercise the option. He's done really well since the All-Star break, but he's obviously breaking down. His strikeout rate is the highest it's been in his whole career. His wOBA is the lowest of his career.
In the end I would probably expect him to exercise it.
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I hope
he doesn’t come back. If he doesn’t, Marquez Smith will probably get a good chance to win the starting job in ST.
agreed
Maybe Marquez surprises, but his ideal role is as a 3rd base backup with some line drive pop. I hope the Cubs ask him to pick up an OF glove if he is back. I’m not all that certain that Marquez will definitely be protected this offseason, although I’m not all that sure that anyone will pluck a 3rd base backup in Rule 5.
All of a sudden Marquez Smith is on the radar for the major league team?
Two words: no way.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not as a starter
I hope. But he could be a better choice than Jeff Baker next season.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 11, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
problem is
Jeff Baker offers more power, a better glove at 2nd (not that it’s good, but Marquez doesn’t react well there), and has played the OF.
So a guy has a decent half season in Triple-A at age 25...
… and suddenly he’s a major league backup?
I doubt Marquez Smith ever plays a game for the Cubs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
huh
I’ve never suggested that Marquez was going to make the bigs. I simply said his ideal role would be as a 3rd base backup. I probably should have added that his value is too limited to really have a role unless the right situation presented itself. That said, if you read what I wrote above, I wrote that I’m not all that certain Marquez will be protected (put on the 40 man) this offseason. I said it before in the other thread about the Rule 5 – Marquez would be 5th or 6th down the line of guys that I would protect (Archer, Chirinos, Guyer, Cabrera are definitely ahead, and I think I’m still at a toss-up between Marquez and Matt). I have also said that, if the Cubs gave Marquez OF work, he would have a better chance of reaching the bigs.
At least Kila had some major league experience before this year...
… and some huge numbers in the minor leagues.
Thanks for taking 120 plate appearances as gospel for Kila’s whole career.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I hope he does come back...
Maybe the Cubs should try him at first?
If he doesn’t come back, i can picture him going to AL and finishing up with a HOF career.
I think
HOF is a little too much, but he really was one of the best hitters in the National League the last five years. Behind Santo, the Cubs really never had a really good third baseman until Ramirez.
I don't think his career is over.
Especially if he goes to the AL and can be a DH. He wouldn’t be hurt anywhere near as much. If he did that, I can see him being a HOF’er if he decides to play long enough.
by TheHawkRules on Sep 12, 2010 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions
What about his #'s gives you the idea he could be HOF?
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 12, 2010 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Your criteria must be very low
I see nothing that makes me think Ramirez will ever come close to the Hall even if he plays until 40.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Nah...
If he decides to go to the AL, and if he DH’s, I can see him…
1) being more healthy and having less DL time
2) hitting around 30 hr’s and 100 RBIs for another 5 seasons. (maybe more)
Take both of those, add them to his stats, and I believe he will be HOF worthy.
by TheHawkRules on Sep 12, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
4Got...
… and I still see him as being on the best clutch hitters in the game.
I really don’t think any of that is unrealistic. It may not happen, but I def believe it can happen.
by TheHawkRules on Sep 12, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
i like Rami, dont get me wrong
but him walking could help the cubs a lot in salary relief.
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Him walking
would be a very good thing, as sad as it would be to see.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 11, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.....
….it could help jump start the rebuild. This team wont be contending next year unless they plan on spending even more money.
It tells you
something when your own star is really skeptical about the direction of the team.
I really think he’s not sure.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 7:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
He has one thing right...
…and that is the manager won’t make much difference if they don’t have the right players.
Regarding his coming back, I’d almost guarantee he will be back playing for one more multi-year deal beyond 2011.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
My hunch
is that he’s trying to get the Cubs to guarantee 2012.
I’m fine if he goes, as that would probably force the Cubs into a full rebuild.
That would be ridiculous if Ramirez wanted the Cubs to ensure 2012. I would be amazed if he said that.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 8:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
MLB is a business
And Ramirez is exploring the business angle with nothing to lose. If the Cubs bite and guarantee 2012, my thinking is that Cubs simply sit back and wait till he takes the $14M and says he will report in February. The thing is the Cubs will not be able to trade him since his 2012 salary vests if traded plus walking money.
We are stuck with Ramirez next year which is good since it will give time for Vitters to heal and prepare.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Why would the Cubs ensure the 2012 option? That just doesn’t make any sense.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 9:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is the Cubs we are talking about
I agree it won’t make sense, but look at the contracts of his team mates. Jimbo has given us no reason to believe he consider something like that.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 12, 2010 7:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
Jim Hendry is not the sharpest knife, but wouldn’t Ricketts like order them to buy him out?
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't see how VItters is option
anytime soon. He has had one decent summer in the Cubs system. He has been hurt and has produced average play. VItters has a long way to go to reach Chicago.
I would actually respect him if he walked
He won’t get anywhere near 16 million so he would be willing to sacrifice money to play for what he believed would be a contender. Not holding my breath.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
Never Quite Fulfilled His Promise...
I’ve been a fan of ARam since the march to the playoffs in ’03 when he was Mr. Clutch.
Yet, like much of that team – and even the teams of 2007/2008 – He never quite lived up to his promise. He’s been injured easily and often, caught loafing too many times to recount, and weak in coming through when it really counts (save for the occasional walk-off hit/HR).
From this article, it seems clear that he a) is fully aware that he’s physically declining and only has so much baseball left in him, or b) doesn’t have the same drive and desire to play baseball anymore, particularly on a team that’s rebuilding. Of course, it could also be BOTH.
In any case, I did find it interesting that he mentioned second base, especially given that DeWitt has been such a good acquisition (and is much better than Fontenot, Baker or whomever else they could’ve put in there). It almost makes me think that he’s looking for reasons to not be hopeful (not that he has to look very far, mind you).
At the same time, I also think back to the reports earlier in the year regarding the clubhouse division, on which he was supposedly on one side. I wonder if these comments may be an outflow of that, or at least echo it in some way (assuming, of course, that those rumors were true).
In the end, I can only say “thanks Rammy…there were some magical times – especially early on in your Cub career. But enjoy your next stop, wherever that may be.”
re: DeWitt
Let’s not praise him too much yet. He’s hitting .267/.331/.392 (prior to tonight’s game), while striking out close to 20% of the time. Defensively, he’s been, at best, average, if not below average (I won’t use UZR straight for such a small sample size). This equates to a -0.1 WAR. Not exactly sterling work for a starter. I wouldn’t mind replacing him, but I think we’re probably going into 2011 with him as a starter. Unless he starts showing some power, his ideal role should be as a utility infielder, primarily a 3rd base backup.
I also found the injury thing weird
Is he really hurt, does he need more time on the DL. He really just seems bored at time on the field.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 8:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You will miss Ramirez way more than you think you will
3B that consistently post a .380-.390 wOBA don’t grow on trees. I would be willing to wager that the Cubs don’t come close to replacing his production at 3B in the next 4 years unless Vitters somehow fullfills his promise.
I also don’t think he is completely done. His full-season numbers aren’t pretty, but since May he has had monthly wOBAs of .357, .418, .376 and .476. I don’t think the Cubs should resign him, but somebody will give him a 3 year deal at good money.
As far as the complaint about the clutch-hitting, that is just daft. He has a career .920 OPS with RISP.
It should be noted
the free agent market for third baseman is just awful. The only one that will command serious money is Beltre. Aramis plays at a premium position and his #s since the break have been fantastic.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 8:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
His numbers since the AS break have been very good
but hardly 18 million dollars good especially considering he is injured again.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 12, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ramirez isn't going anywhere.
This is just talk.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know
he really seems like he may consider opting out. Like he said, the team is going nowhere next year. His option is only for one year. Aramis has got over 75M coming his way, I think he realizes he’s breaking down.
by Bad Midget on Sep 11, 2010 9:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ramirez didn't say "the team is going nowhere next year".
He said they have other things to worry about before him. There’s a big difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah
I kind of took the “the 6 million dollar manager won’t matter” to mean “this Club is going nowhere, maybe I should get out.”
of course Aramis isn’t going to tell Paul Sullivan he thinks the team isn’t going anywhere
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I kind of took the “the 6 million dollar manager won’t matter” to mean “this Club is going nowhere, maybe I should get out.”
of course Aramis isn’t going to tell Paul Sullivan he thinks the team isn’t going anywhere
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 9:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless something really strange
happens we will see him in Mesa next March . He knows his best days are well behind him .
Maybe he is worried the next manager will make him run out groundballs and not just waive his glove at 3b?
I don’t know why he would need to worry! He is an amazing hustling player who always gives 100%!!!!!!!
by TJ11 on Sep 11, 2010 11:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
This seems like a very conflicted post
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'm not saying
we would be good, but Smith would be the only real option unless we went and signed someone.
Seriously?
Marquez Smith isn’t even as good as Jason Dubois.
And Dubois was never any good.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Smith at 3rd
and a few others have said Hoffpauir should get a shot at 1st. If you think Wrigley is empty now wait until then.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Thank you.
You’re right. Marquez Smith is the third-base version of Micah Hoffpauir.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
re:
First off, let me be real clear. I don’t think Marquez is a ‘definitely will make the bigs in any sort of role" type of guy. I’m not even sure that the Cubs will put him on the 40 man this offseason. As noted above and in another thread, I would place a higher priority on Archer, Chirinos, Cabrera, Guyer. I might even place a higher priority with Matt Spencer’s raw power, although it’s more a toss-up. I’m not sure another team will pick up Marquez in Rule 5. It’s hard to stash away a guy whose ideal role, if he made the bigs, is that of a 3rd base backup with only line drive power. Not impossible, but the right situation has to occur. I also think that, if whatever organization he is on tries him in the OF, he might have a better shot to reach the bigs as a versatile backup.
That said, it seems like you are suggesting that Marquez has little to no chance at the bigs. Whereas I thought Micah Hoffpauir was grossly overrated by some Cubs fans here during his mini-hot streak a couple moons ago, I think you are somewhat underselling Marquez here. I don’t think he’s a great fit for the Cubs in the near future, but
a) He has played 2nd before. He’s not great at it, but you can probably live with him as a double switch option, or an emergency option.
b) He’s far more athletic and has a better shot at being decent in the OF.
c) He’s got a far more compact swing than Micah did, which gives him a better shot at coming off the bench. Micah had more raw power, but he needed AB’s to give him some level of consistency, due to his swing.
As a side note, but Marquez has actually hit decently well at every level. It takes him a little time to adjust, but for example
d) In the Southern League last year, he posted the 18th best OPS. Sure, .780 doesn’t look good, but it was 18th best. He had the 11th best SLG.
e) Had he qualified in 2008, he would’ve had the 2nd best OPS in the MWL, with the 2nd best SLG and 6th vest OBP.
Let me be clear. I do not think Marquez is a “definitely will see time in the bigs in some sort of role” type of guy. He needs the right opportunity to emerge (namely, a team with a bench that already has power options, along with a bench that has a utility player), and that opportunity may never come for him. I don’t think it’s here, at least, not for the start of 2011, and probably not for 2012 (but too hard to guess the makeup for 2012’s roster right now). That said, I don’t really see the comparison to Micah Hoffpauir.
It may all boil down to...
…how many millions Ramirez is willing to eat to leave the Cubs. Whether he bolts or stays may depend on which direction the Cubs will take. I imagine Ramirez will want some hint of the Cubs intended direction from Hendry for 2011 before Ramirez makes a decision. If Ramirez decides to leave, I’d be willing to bet Hendry has told him the Cubs will be rebuilding for 2011.
A month or so ago Ramirez seemed to be indicating that he wished to spend the rest of his career here. Things can obviously change quickly. He has looked so frustrated at times I wouldn’t be suprised if he passes on the money in order to play for a contender.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Sep 11, 2010 11:15 PM CDT reply actions
I'm not sure
Jim Hendry telling Aramis that he plans on contending will make Him think about staying here.
Hendry may like him
But you don’t exercise that option, unless of course Aramis turns back into the old Aramis. Even if Aramis does that why would you exercise a huge option for a injury prone player?
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 9:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Really
maybe he having an off year. If he can dedicate himseflf to some phyisical program, I think he is still young enough to contribute for a full season. He is not going anywhere. NO one walks away from millions of dollars, no one.
Go Cubs!
Guaranteed Money
I agree that nobody walks away from millions of dollars, but he may find more guaranteed money by testing the free agent market and taking a 4 year deal for less per year. He is injury prone and he may decide that the risk of another injury riddled, low performance year would be too much of a risk for what will probably be his last long big money contract.
by neifiisgreat on Sep 12, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not
sure of his guaranteed money from the Cubs. I am thinking it is something like 16k. So what you are saying is he can get a 3-4 year deal worth more than that, I just do not see it. As you have stated, his injuires and low performance will not dictate more than what he already has.
Go Cubs!
We'll see this offseason,
I think that Aramis has to hope his representation knows the market well enough to guide him to the right decision, neither of us really know what the demand is.
by neifiisgreat on Sep 13, 2010 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions
i think
he will leave and sign with a better team. what i dont like is he was glad to stay when he was hitting under 200. now with better numbers he decides to change his tune.
I suspect Aramis will be back -- and I hope he will be.
One year at $14.5 million isn’t THAT much money in the grand scheme of baseball. Anybody the Cubs sign to replace him (who would be any good) would need more than one year on a contract. And if we’re talking about Marquez Smith, I doubt there’s anybody in the minors who could be much of a contributor at third in 2011.
While Aramis could decline his option and not return, many fans (including this one) hope the Cubs trade Kosuke and save some of the money he’s owed in the deal. But the key difference there is that the Cubs have a decent in-house option to replace Kosuke in right.
I’m not sure how I see Aramis leaving as a positive for “jump-starting the rebuilding.” Maybe I’m missing the big picture.
Agreed.
The fact that Fukudome has played well recently may make him dealable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And he has an internal replacement.
The Cubs need to get behind the idea of trading from strength.
My point with the rebuilding comment
If Aramis leaves (and as noted, I doubt it … I think there’s a greater chance the Cubs do something foolish like guaranteeing 2012 than there is of him leaving), I think even Hendry would have to acknowledge the chances of competing are significantly slimmer. There’s simply too few options out there, without tearing up the farm, for us to find solid corner guys. If that leads to a more controlled approach this offseason, that, in of itself, is a positive by freeing up payroll for the future. If that leads to Hendry shopping some guys instead of making FA acquisitions, that could also jump-start the rebuilding process.
I agree with this
If the Cubs have any chance of contending in 2011, Aramis will have to be on the team. But, for the long-term, it may not be bad if he leaves. I don’t want him around in 2013 or 2014 when I think the Cubs might be back to being good.
I actually think Aramis staying helps the rebuilding efforts.
Given what we know, the Cubs will not go all Florida Marlins on us next year. A youth movement might be the best thing for 2013 and beyond, but Ricketts won’t just let the team suck next year. And this isn’t me saying this — Hendry has said that the team will try to compete.
With that in mind, Aramis staying for one season is a heckuva lot better for long-term thinking than signing someone like Adrian Beltre would be. Aramis is, in a way, a 1-year rental next year if he exercises his option. He makes the team better in the short term and he doesn’t hurt anything after 2011.
Also, I don’t think I buy the thinking that if Aramis leaves, Hendry will trade other veterans — mostly because I don’t know who the Cubs could/would trade and get much of a return, other than Marlon Byrd. Soriano is going nowhere. Fukudome’s fate isn’t (or shouldn’t be) tied to Aramis. The other guys of value are low-cost players like Marmol, Soto, Castro, Marshall, Colvin and Gorzo — and why would the Cubs trade them given their price tags next season and their price tags going forward?
Last point, I don’t want the Cubs to keep Aramis if they’re required to pick up his 2012 option.
exactly
The 14M might be a lot to swallow, but that prevents you from spending huge money on a guy (Beltre) who’s coming off of a career year.
oh my god
dude, i didn’t say everything you said was dumb. I said you were dumb if you thought Lou leaving won’t matter. That’s all. I like you, i think your smart. I’m not a hater.
I don't see a team offering him
14M for two years with his history of injuries, his age and the economic times we live in.
If Steve Phillips Was Still a MLB GM...
I could see Rami getting more money guaranteed by opting out. Right now he’s due the $14.5 for next year and a $2 M buyout for 2012. Given the dearth of free agent 3B in this year’s class, it wouldn’t be unheard of for some GM to give him three years at $12M per year, guaranteeing him 36 instead of 16.5.
Even at 10M per year that deal would make sense for Ramirez if he has doubts about his own ability to hold up next year and earn a legit contract in the 2011/12 offseason.
If Steve Phillips was still in the game this would happen. Now? Maybe…
Let's hope he takes that precious option somewhere else.
His apparent insistence on remaining in the middle of the lineup while injured helped kill this season early. Now he’s back to tease Hendry with that option once again, baiting us with padded stats piled-up in meaningless games.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
How do we replace him?
The internal options are uninspiring or too far away (Vitters, Junior Lake), and the free agent market basically consists of Aramis and Adrian Beltre. I would be ok with either of them for the right deal, Beltre is an excellent defender and is capable of excellent offense, but he is also aging and likely to be a hot commodity. I think the Cubs could try to acquire two change of scenery guys: Alex Gordon and Brandon Wood. These former hot prospects have failed to take their teams 3B jobs and run with it, but are still young enough to improve. Their price is likely to be low, maybe the Cubs could acquire them both through trade and let them fight it out with DeWitt and Baker. At its worst it is a relatively inexpensive way to fill the position until Vitters is up.
by neifiisgreat on Sep 12, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Contending or not
Aramis may be the best choice. The guys you listed are brutal:
Beltre coming off a career year
Wood and Gordon really do suck, Gordon isn’t even plaing third these days.
All those minor leaguers really wouldn’t be great.
Maybe Aramis for one mire year isn’t a bad thing?
Then again, you can always move DeWitt to third (where he is a better defender), and maybe give Barney a chance.
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Beltre
probably won’t make it out of Boston, even with Youkilis able to play 3rd, Beltre has been the heart of their order this year. Wood and Gordon have indeed been brutal, but Gordon has some redeeming qualities.
Assuming A-Ram does opt out and doesn’t resign with the Cubs, how do they spend the money from his contract, and do they spend the money?
by neifiisgreat on Sep 12, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
The Cubs would potentially have room for a couple of premium free agents. Whether they want to down that road is to remain seen.
Right.
Plus, since he returned from the DL in late June, he has performed up to previous levels. I have no problems keeping him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree!
Plus all the kids coming up can watch how a true big leaguer goes about his business everyday!
Him, Soriano, and Byrd…..Always giving 100%!!!!!!
I find it funny
how Castro (I think) lives in Soriano’s apartment (why can’t sori buy a house, that’s weird).
Maybe that’s where Castro gets his great hustle from!!!!!!
by Bad Midget on Sep 12, 2010 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sori has many, many houses in the DR.
I believe he has something like 8 miles of beachfront property.
There are some pretty pricey apartments in Chicago. We’re talking private elevators directly into the apartment, private under-street garages.
That sort of arrangement also provides a level of security and privacy that you can’t get from a single-family in the city. There’s a doorman, and you’re living 35 stories above street level. Living in some Lincoln Park brownstone and making $18M annually, you’re a target for undesirable types.
Sosa, for instance, lived on an entire floor of that tower on the east side of lakeshore near Navy Pier.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I believe he has something like 8 miles of beachfront property.
Holy crap. So that’s what 135M buys you.
According to what I heard, in the DR, it wasn't even 1 year's salary.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I still don't get it
The joke is that Sori and Rami supposedly don’t hustle. You can’t accuse Byrd of not hustling. The joke seems to fall apart. Your shtick is usually about 1 for 75 on being funny.
If Ramírez leaves, the Cubs will have their hands full with the infield, except SS.
Ramírez has lost a step and is injury-prone. If Ramírez stays, the Cubs would be wise to look for a backup who could play 3B and hit well full time if necessary.
On the other hand, Ramírez bat is still there, as demonstrated in the last weeks. The problem is when he’s not healthy, which is too often.
If I were Ramirez I would decline the option
I think he could get a 3 year deal at around 12 million per year. He is right there with Adrian Beltre as the only 3B options worth having on the FA market this year or next. If Bautista can replicate his year this year next year, he will be on the list to (2012 FA). That’s $36 million guaranteed vs. only $16 million for next year.
Your crazy
if you think Aramis can get 3 years.
I know the supply/demand means the price would be high, but why on god’s green earth would a team give 3 years?
Anyone see what Buster Olney wrote
about this today?
Aramis Ramirez says he’s thinking about passing on his 2011 option. If he does, champagne bottles probably would be pulled out of storage in some corners of the Cubs’ front office. If Ramirez becomes a free agent, there is no chance he would get a contract for $14.6 million on the open market, given his performance and injury history.
Just to add to the debate.
no one is saying
he will be able to match/exceed his yearly salary but he likely can get more than $16 million guaranteed if he opts out.
by circuitclout on Sep 12, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
But the yearly salary matters
Because I don’t think Aramis thinks his career is going to be over after 2011. Because unless he completely craters in 2011, he’s going to be in line for at least the same $7 million a year he’d get if he signed a FA contract after this season.
Let’s say he signs a three year, $21 million contract after this season. That means he gives up $14.6 million this year. That means Aramis would have to think he could only get a contract for less than two years and $7 million after next season. That’s utility infielder money.
Aramis would have to think his career is almost over for it to be worth it financially to opt-out. Now if he just wants to play for another team, that’s a different issue.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 12, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
is $7 million a year realistic?
last year beltre got $10 million for one year, polanco got 3/$18m and figgins 4/$36m with a vesting option. i think 3/21 is at the very low end of what he could get. ramirez runs into a much deeper free agent class a year from now and his glove at 3B is only going to become more suspect.
how much longer he wants to play and how much he values the chance to play in the postseason are both variables that don’t favor the cubs.
by circuitclout on Sep 12, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows
But I sure wouldn’t give a guy with his injury history a big contract. Who would open their wallet for him? Boston? Maybe, but why wouldn’t they just re-sign Beltre? The Dodgers are broke. The Giants have Panda. Both NY teams have third basemen.
White Sox? Maybe. Angels? Maybe. Tigers? Perhaps But I have trouble seeing those teams breaking the bank for Aramis after two injury filled seasons.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 12, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
3 and $30 million isn't really breaking the bank
Acquiring a 4 WAR 3B is pretty tough. Ramirez is only 32. Except for that horrible stretch in April and May this season he has been quite productive the last two years. For a contending team with a hole at 3B I can see why you would gamble on Ramirez. Beltre is only a year younger than Ramirez and his track record is more checkered than Ramirez. Ramirez is probably the best 3B to go on the open market in the next two years. I don’t think 3/30 is out of the question.
Let’s say he doesn’t opt out and has a bad season next year? He may have given up a lot of guaranteed money. Either way, unless he has a monster year next season, because of age he has a better chance of getting 1 more big deal this year rather than next year.
I think the Angels were one of the options in the last contract signing
I suspect they’ll make some moves after this season. They surely aren’t going with Brandon Wood again. They might be willing to go 3 for $30m. The only thing with them is I don’t see any contracts other than Matsui’s one year deal coming off the books. They would need to increase payroll which they have already done with Haren.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
angels
Cots has their 2011 obligations at, tentatively, 93.667 million. Matsui and Scot Shields are FA’s. Weaver is due for a huge pay raise. Napoli is likely to traded/let go this offseason, if early rumors are correct. Aybar/Kendrick/Mathis/Morales/Callaspo are all in arb years and will likely get some bumps.
Rumors have put them with Carl Crawford for a long time, which is going to be a big money deal. If they don’t land him, it certainly seems to suggest they have some money to play with, but whether or not Arte wants to use it is another question.
I can just picture
Hendry and Bush shoving down champagne with donuts too! Except Hendry would be the only one eating donuts.
the donut jokes about Hendry are not only old, but horrible
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There is a difference.
Lou’s age — and I didn’t make “jokes” — did have something to do with his performance; he himself talked about “senior moments”.
Hendry’s alleged donut eating had nothing to do with his job performance.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wow
So you defend ageist jokes by saying that they have some true. That’s like making a joke based on a racial stereotype and then defending it by saying it has a kernel of truth. Utterly ridiculous.
You're the one who's being ridiculous.
Lou made fun of himself. Lou’s age may have had a direct influence on his performance as manager.
Jim Hendry’s alleged “donut eating” had nothing to do with his performance as GM.
I do not understand why you cannot see the difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If anything, the alleged "donut eating" might have helped his performance as GM
an unhealthy diet may have contributed to Hendry having that hospital stay awhile ago, during which, IIRC, he agreed to terms with Lilly in one of his better FA signings.
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His contract is up after this year, and I haven’t heard anything from him or the Tigers about wanting to return. As an option for the Cubs, he’ll give you some HR pop, pretty good defense, but way too many Ks.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
The more and more
I think about it, I really think he’s going to opt out. He’s mentioned a couple of times this season how he’s upset about the players, I really think he just wants one last deal
If you put your self in Aramis’s position, ask yourself what does he have to play for? He’s made over 75M, money shouldn’t be a problem, he knows he’s not going to win anytime soon here. I really think he’s going to opt out.
If
Aramis opts out the Cubs have two power holes to fill. One has to be first base (unless they trade Dome, move Colvin to first, and sign a right fielder), the other can be second or third. There aren’t any real third base options, and the only real second base option with enough power is Uggla (with Dewitt moving to third).
None of that sounds very likely, so as much as it would be nice to get out from under Aramis’ contract, he’s probably the Cubs best option.
DEJESUS!!!
A few months back I thought no way
but now it is possible. I’m sure his agent is testing the waters. If there is a chance for something like 3 years for $27-$30 million then he may go.
Of course, there is always the possibility that Hendry resigns him for another 3 years. I wouldn’t rule anything out with Hendry. He knows his job is on the line.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
I don't want A-Ram for another three years
He seems to be reverting to being indifferent in the field and on the base paths. The yearly quad/hammy issues. As players age those catch up to you in other ways. The shoulder is still a big question mark. Since he didn’t have surgery if he falls on it he could be right back on the DL for half a season, or more, again. If he wants out, I wouldn’t chase after him too hard with more years and more money. If he opts out, give him a firm handshake, look him in the eye, and say “thanks”, to him, Jim.
A year of a middling FA replacement is better than giving a big contract out again to an aging player.
Aramis is full of it..
he knows he is coming back
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This is the thing
remove the first two months of the season, when I think he was injured, and he’s really been great all of the last two years. He’s easily one the best free agent out there (maybe Beltre is better). I could easily see some desperate team giving him, obviously less than 16M, but a fair 3 year 31M or 30M. I know that’s a pay cut, but Aramis still has value on the market. Not to mention third base is a premium position, where slugging third baseman just isn’t around on the open market. Longoria, Zpack and those guys are locked up.
Gordon Wittenmyer reports in the Sun-Times Tuesday...
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I guess that settles it then.
Glad he said he’s staying.
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