Cubs Deal Padres Devastating Setback To Playoff Hopes, 1-0; Marmol Posts 37th Save
by Al Yellon on Sep 30, 2010 9:23 PM CDT
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PrintI could get used to these 1-0 wins. Couldn't you?
First, before recapping the Cubs' 1-0 win over the Padres, their fifth 1-0 victory of the season and second this week, let me just say:
I really, REALLY, REALLY hate those 1984 Padres uniforms. And based on this tweet from Carrie earlier today, I was led to believe that the Padres "Throwback Thursday" would be from 1978, not 1984. I should have known better -- the Padres marketing department spares no opportunity to stick it to the Cubs, which in my opinion is truly classless. You don't see the Yankees or Red Sox do those kinds of things; the Cubs' biggest rival, the Cardinals have more respect for the Cubs than that. It's just really difficult to see a Padres team wearing those uniforms -- any Cubs fan who lived through that NLCS or, like me, was there and saw the way Padres fans treated us, would feel the same way. Served 'em right that they had to sit through a 22-minute rain delay, their second of this season.
That's why I take great satisfaction in the fact that a Cubs team far out of playoff contention rose to the occasion and has virtually delivered the death blow to a San Diego club that was in first place for almost five months. The Padres now must sweep the Giants to tie for the NL West lead. Or, they could win two of three while the Braves are getting swept by the Phillies -- but don't count on that, because Atlanta has the best home record in the National League.
Enjoy your winter at home, Padres players and fans. The Cubs have almost singlehandedly handed the NL West to the Giants, by losing two of three to them at home and beating their rival three of four.
The Cubs put together another fine pitching performance by four pitchers Thursday night; Tom Gorzelanny got himself in some trouble with walks, but got out of it. All the Padres got tonight, apart from a handful of walks from Gorz, was three singles. Andrew Cashner was throwing 98+ and continuing his much better pitching since Mike Quade became manager. Sean Marshall did his job effectively, and Carlos Marmol was outstanding in closing off the Padres for his 37th save -- 13 of those saves coming in September. That ties him with Bruce Sutter (1979) for fourth place on the all-time Cub single season list; next up is Randy Myers (38 in 1995).
That could happen this weekend, and if the Cubs can sweep the Astros they'd pass them into fourth place. The Brewers have defeated the Mets to win their 76th game so the best the Cubs could do is tie them. I'd very much like to see the Cubs do that, and perhaps the Rockies could help out over the weekend in defeating the Cardinals so the Cubs can finish within only a few games of them as well. There are no dominant teams in the NL Central -- not even the champion Reds -- and I do not think the Cubs are as far away from contention as some of you do.
Props to Brad Snyder for his ninth-inning RBI single, the first game-winning RBI of his career, after Aramis Ramirez blooped a single to lead off the inning. Darwin Barney pinch-ran and advanced to second on Xavier Nady's first sacrifice bunt since 2006 (and only the seventh of his major league career), then scored on Snyder's hit. It was the 61st 1-0 game in the major leagues this season, most since 1976, and eighth for the Cubs this year (5 wins, 3 losses).
Which is yet another reason to build a strong pitching staff for 2011. Baseball seems to be swinging a pendulum toward lower-scoring games and better pitching; Cub starters did their part this year (tonight's quality start was the Cubs' 93rd, tied with the Astros for third in the NL behind the Phillies and Giants). Form a more solid bullpen and you have a team that could surprise next year.
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Haven’t enjoyed a spoiler role more than with these yellow shirts of a bygone era!
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Will this Padres team qualify as a "collapse"?
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
Not quite as epic as the 2007 Mets
But pretty close, IMHO
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The 1964 Phillies...
…nicknamed, “The Phold” is also a notable late season collapse — Not sure if it’s the worst, but it’s gotta be up there.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
I certainly think so...
they absolutely OWNED the NL West for essentially 5 months. Then the L10 in September? I think so.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
They still should have won the playoff game with the Twinks.
Inge got HBP with the bases loaded in extras. Run should have scored. May have been the difference…
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Amen. Git 'er dun Bud...
Oh, right. It’s still Bud. Nevermind.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
This might not make up for 1984,
But it comes pretty damn close to it!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
How did the Pradres treat you in 84 Al? And what's Al short for?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
American League
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Padres fans threw nails at friends of mine.
And seemed much happier that WE lost than that THEY won. Disgusting.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Have you been to any recent Pradres games? Were they any nicer?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
I went last August when Kevin Gregg imploded and couldn't get three outs.
Same exact thing. Seemed happier that the Cubs lost than the Padres winning. Padres fans, also, were acting as if they’d just advanced to the World Series.
I actually said as I was leaving: “If any Padres fan taunts me, I’m taking a swing at them.”
San Diego Smooth Jazz Man was also at this game, his story of it is exactly the same.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You should've taken a swing at Gregg
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
He'd've probably connected for a HR
Everyone else did
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Sep 30, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wouldn't have known which pitch to throw to me.
I’m a switch-hitter.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I had the exact same experience in 2008
They were much happier that the Cubs lost than that their team won. They’re losers even when they win.
by LT on Sep 30, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
SD Padre fans=Chicago W Sux fans
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Jesus Christ.
Despite this story, I stand by my words earlier. I had no problem with Dodgers fans in August 2009. Padres fans, however….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure they weren't
Philadelphia fans wearing different colors?
I'm sure they were meanys in dodger colors
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
Dodgers fans or Padres fans?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Stay out of the bleachers and the nosebleeds at Dodger Stadium is what I hear.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah.
I was along the first base side, about 15-20 rows up from the field.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Clutch is right
It’s the knuckedraggers in the cheapie seats that throw things at you during the game.
And talk about baseball stupid – all they know are the Dodgers and nothing else. Ask them which teams are leading in the other divisions, or who’s leading each league in home runs, and you get met with a few seconds of silence followed by “um, go Dodgers!” Get a brain, morans.
Well, if you asked me those questions
I’d probably give you an “um, go Cubs!” But if you can come by my cheapie seats anytime at Wrigley and you won’t get anything thrown at you.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
I have never had a problem at Dodger Stadium
Never. People can mnake fun of Dodgers fans for coming in the 3rd and leaving in the 7th, but I have never experienced any trouble there and enjoy my trips to the venerable (yes, it is now) ballpark.
I have heard of issues in the bleachers, though — but it’s not confined to the Cubs. I wouldn’t sit out there, anyway. It’s not a good sightline.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 30, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
In my experiences in the Dodger Stadium bleachers
the fans aren’t even watching the game. They’re generally facing away from the field and looking for ways to involve the security guards (beach balls, giant flags – Mexican, US, or Dodger – or inappropriate signs) or fight.
Dodger Stadium... isn't that where...
…Peter Cetera got the crap kicked out of him (jaw broken, etc.)?
Wait a minute... who am I here?
Don't throw stones at glass baseball stadiums
5/7/2004 – Man charged in slaying outside Wrigley Field
It wasn’t Frankie Hernandez who clubbed the driver of an SUV with a miniature bat just outside Wrigley Field — but it was Hernandez who took the brunt of the retaliation, police said Friday.
Hernandez, 26, was shot once in the chest and killed in a curbside fracas outside the Cubby Bear bar Thursday. Police said the gunman was Rodrigo "Joker"Caballero, 22, a passenger in the SUV who came out after his friend was hit with the…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 1, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
The 17K in the park sounded like 35K when Kyle Blanks hit the bomb off Gregg. Yet another awful day at a Cubs/Padres game.
That, work and others reasons kept me away from a Cubs/Padres series for the first time since….about 1992.
It was going to be a rainy, stormy day in San Diego before the Cubs were going to take 3 out of 4…
Oh, wait…
Somehow, DT SD was spared most of today’s rain. It rained heavily elsewhere during the game.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 30, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was wondering about that.
It sounded extremely loud for the crowd size at that game. After what I saw earlier, I’ve often wondered if the Padres were pumping in fake noise through the stadium speakers when that happened.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, they do it all the time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
No surprise.
They have to do that, or they wouldn’t have a home-field advantage at all.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh
Isn’t this post the exact same thing. If you go to a visiting stadium you risk abuse. That’s just a fact of life. Especially when you are a national fan-base that has a reputation nationwide for being annoying.
by JSB on Oct 1, 2010 8:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
wow, unbelievable
I can’t believe fans could go so far just to add insult to injury. I’m glad I’m young enough to not have lived through the 1984 heartbreak with the hazing and harassment added from so-called Padres fans.
All I can say is, it must have been exhilarating for Padre fans to abuse the moment in 84 to their advantage at the Cubs fans expense… until it happens to them.
It must be fun for Cardinal fans to remind us about our collapses, heartbreaks, sweeps… until it happens to them.
Don’t worry, if they can’t handle a sample size dose of what we’ve had to deal with for years just give them one of those classic “view-master” toys with the rotating film discs that resemble images of world seires rings, Pujols jerseys, puke covered Padre jerseys (oh wait, that’s not vomit, those are just the colors). It’ll keep them quietly busy for a while.
Jack Brickhouse: "Hey! Hey!"
Harry Caray: "Holy Cow!"
Vince Lloyd: "The Chicago Cubs are on the Air!"
Len Casper: "Oh Baby!"
Bob Brenly: "Give it to a Kid!"
Ron Santo: "YES!", "All Right!, let's do it!", "Oh No!", "Oh jeez come on!" AND...
"This Is The Year!"
by #1 iowan cubs fan on Sep 30, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah you told me about this
When I sat with you in the bleachers for those Cubs games in July.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never had a problem down at Petco (and the Murph before that)
the Tigers jersey I was wearing probably had something to do with it … ;-)
Fidrych jersey?
Who would mess with that?
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Did I read that right?
Nails? Who brings nails to a ballgame? That’s crazier than when people would bring produce. At least they could claim they planned to eat something like tomatoes. But nails? What the..?
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
Yeah nails!
I mean, what good is throwing nails when you should be using a nail-gun!?!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 1, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure where Muskrat got her info, as this was billed as a 1984 tribute from the beginning of the season. San Diego had the nerve to ask the Cubs to wear throwbacks as well, but Ricketts wanted nothing to do with it.
by bourbon_and_branch on Sep 30, 2010 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
Like I said pre-game
I’d have told ‘em we’d do it if they bought the unis, and then “forgotten” them in Chicago.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Good for Tom Ricketts.
Classless of the Padres to even ask.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's all Ricketts is proving to be good for....
….a cheerleader. Crane Kenney is still team president and Hendry is being relied upon to cleanup a disaster he created, when both should be shown the door. Ricketts tells the Padres no we won’t wear our ‘84 uni’s. Good job Tom.
P.S. did anyone hear the crap Ricketts was spewing the other day about how successful the Cubs minor league system is based on their wins and losses. Seems to me, Tom is in way over his head.
by troutfishin on Sep 30, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't Tom have his baseball people around him?
I think the Ricketts family will prove to be successful in the future. Give them some time.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
If by baseball people you mean
Kenney and Hendry than any sustained success we hope for will remain hopeless.
Again, the fact that Ricketts thinks that a player development system can be judged by wins and losses is beyond baseball stupid, it kind of makes me wonder exactly what kind of baseball fan Ricketts is, it certainly seems to me that he’s more of the casual type.
by troutfishin on Sep 30, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya think?
This ballclub he owns is a business. It’s part of his family’s portfolio. He cares about its profitability, not Marmol’s WHIP. He cheers for wins and bemoans losses as a businessman first because those results affect his bottom line. He does the same activities second because he’s a fan, but nothing is forcing him to be a good one.
Seriously, y’all – get rid of any expectation that what is important to you about the Cubs is also what is important to the family that owns it. You cheer for Cashner climbing the ladder – they cheer because that last K means that they’ll sell another jersey or two (and because Cashner made an out – yay!). You can play armchair GM – that guy? He pays an actual GM to do all that tedious “thinking about baseball” stuff for him.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
baseball is an equity investment business
In many respects a baseball franchise is an abstract value, the command of its individual brand in a monopoly marketplace.
The only thing that increases abstract value is interest. Interest is only sustainable by winning….
Get it
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Oct 1, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1 !!
Rec’d…. this is a sad statement for some but they have to realize it is totally true…
Just win the next game...!
Again, I hope you're wrong with this
Ricketts is, it certainly seems to me that he’s more of the casual type.
But as you point out with this
Kenney and Hendry than any sustained success we hope for will remain hopeless.
I can’t help but agree. I just hope Ricketts sees the same light Rocky Wirtz did.
Just win the next game...!
Minor league wins...
…are really meaningless for the most part. The goal at that level is to develop players first and win second, so I wouldn’t get too excited about minor league win loss records.
My jury is still out on Ricketts, but I have to admit I’m not thrilled with what I have seen to date. What happens this offseason will firm up my opinion on where this organization is going.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
it will set the tone
I subscribe that cleaning house starting with Hendry will begin the process.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
well then, get comfortable...
…because that ain’t gonna happen for awhile.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Probably not...
…but usually what you see with new ownership (in any sport) is that new owner bringing in a President type who reports directly to them who oversees the onfield product, especially when front office performance is in question.
We’ll see what happens this offseason.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Let's see...
I wanna see the first 30-45 offseason days. I hope you’re wrong but like you mentioned, if there’s not a lot of cleaning you may very well be dead nuts on.
Just win the next game...!
This was definitely the best response to that request.
3 outta 4 and hope you take the rest of the year off!
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The Padres' marketing department must be asking the Florida Marlins for advice.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't the Padres ask the Cubs
in the past few years to wear the 1984 jerseys when the Padres wore their 1984 throwbacks?
Yes, and Yes.
Muskrat’s completely wrong. The Padres only wore the 84 unis one other time this year. All the other ‘Throwback Thursdays’ reflected 1978.
Sorry to beat the dead horse, but this team throws 1984 back in the Cubs face as much as possible.
I keep waiting for the celebration of the 1998 Pennant winner, but that never happens. Why do the Braves and Astros escape this?
Of course, there was no clever “Cubbuster” theme song in 1998.
Revenge is sweet, you bastards.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 30, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really.
As the reporter for the cubs mlb.com site, she falls somewhere in the grey area between journalism and PR. They/She can say all she wants that she has autonomy but, in reality, she does not.
And for the record, I’m not disputing the decline of journalism… only whether Muskat plays a role in said decline.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
She's got to walk a fine line between being interesting and being a cheerleader
And it doesn’t always work, IMHO.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Exactly. And that's why I can't really consider her a "reporter".
Though I do think she catches just a bit too much grief around here. Some of it is well-deserved… some is not.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
How low can the Padres go?
That club is way beyond dispicable by continually rehashing the whole 1984 thing.
Hope they enjoy sitting at home (in their 1984 “throw-back” jerseys) this postseason watching the other teams play!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
i said it before and still think
we should have offered to wear the 1984 Tigers uniforms…….to honor Alan Trammal of course, no other reason
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
Al, several of us were talking about this in the third overflow thread.
Why do you tell us to “be careful” at Gaslamp Ball? I know the reputation Red Reporter and Brew Crew Ball have toward Cubs fans … is Gaslamp Ball about the same (i.e. a Cubs fan can get banned for nothing at all)?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
Yes.
I have had reports of that. Ask SDSJM about it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's interesting
I went over there to check it out earlier this year, and all of the posters seemed real laid back. I got no static at all from them. It might be different when they’re not cruising on top of the division, but I didn’t get the same vibe about Cubs fans there as I have at…other SBN sites.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think I remember a comment posted here a while ago,
Possibly by drewishdrewid, saying he got banned at Brew Crew Ball for simply trying to help a Brewers fan correct his box score.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Strangely, I am not banned at Gaslamp.
I can still post but have not in nearly 2 years. My last post was a critique of the first TBS playoff efforts, which I also posted here.
I was scorched. Perhaps the failure of the Padres in Colorado irked them.
I have been banned at the Angels site for asking the blogger not to swear in every paragraph he wrote during the 2005 ALCS.
I have been banned at the Sox site for historical postings about the White Sox.
Cue the Crawdad.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 30, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't even sign up for Halo's Heaven
Because of all the swearing over there. Despite the Angels being my AL team.
It’s a rough neighborhood.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 30, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on! It's Disneyland!
I went to an Angels polayoff game as a kid. My dad got tickets through the press. I remeber 2 things:
1. The police officer wearing a shiny, silver Colt .45 pistol.
2. Running around the whole concourse with a friend and then running into the game when we heard the crowd roar. One time we ran in and stopped as a fan was being carted out on a stretcher – foul ball.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 1, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I posted very rarely when Maddux was there
I had no trouble but then everyone loves Maddux.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 30, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds just like
fan-base envy, you know like the fan-base of the team that plays nine miles south of the Clark & Addison shrine.
Just win the next game...!
SDSJM's type of history...
CUBBIES SUCK! 1908! 1908!
That was the type of “history” that SDSJM posted on SouthSide Sox.
He’s coyly called his posts at SouthSideSox as “historical” in nature ever since even though it was clear he was there merely to cause trouble. Once though he did candidly admitted he was there to provoke.
Wait though…a Cubbie fan trolling a Sox discussion group? That NEVER happens, right?
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Several honest, reasonable people...
… looked at Cubbie fan SDSJM’s posts on SouthSideSox back in the Sox historic championship season of 2005 and deemed them as trolling and mere attempts to provoke Sox fans. Heck, even SDSJM once admitted that.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
False. You can say whatever you want without any liability.
If you can find where I said I was trying to provoke people please post the message.
Well, you’d just make something up.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
My mistake...
… for giving you credit for having a shred of candid honesty. You don’t.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Do posters get banned for nothing at all anywhere?
Maybe there are silly posters on these sites who want to endlessly flag people because of emotional distress they have.
Yes. I could get used to these 1-0 Cubs victories.
If they are next year when we are in contention!
Nevertheless….GO CUBS! They are giving me some hope for next year (even if these were “meaningless” games).
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
by mikegncb34 on Sep 30, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey San Diego! Who Ya Gonna Call?
Padre Busters!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
San Diego, what do you say?
Your Pads are gonna lose today!
(to the tune of “Go Cubs Go”)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
WHO ARE THESE CUBBIES????
Mike Quade seems to just be giving new life to this team. Excellent job by Q.
by braziliancubsfan on Sep 30, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions
A team that has a manager who cares
I can only imagine how their record would’ve been if Lou left earlier.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Well, when did Lou originally annouce
7/22 or the like? I don’t know, let’s say add 6 wins.
Won’t make the playoffs but it sure would cement Quade in the role for ’11.
The fact Ryno didn’t get called in tells me the Cubs may have already made one decision going forward.
Just win the next game...!
Off by a month. He announced on August 22
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That's when he left
He originally said this was his last season. It’s that date I hoped he just bolted.
I mean what’s the point on staying. He already lost the club. Staying several more weeks just reinforced all the crap that was illustrating he simply just didn’t give a damn.
Just win the next game...!
I thought the fact that it was his last season was known from the start
I don’t recall a specific announcement but there probably was one.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
OK I looked it up and he did make the statement around July 21
but frankly I think it was pretty well known it was his last season from the start.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too
Wish he left earlier, or just decided to retire before the season. They wouldn’t have made the playoffs, but could’ve been .500 or so.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Um Ryno was busy managing
his Iowa Cubs team at the time. Would that have been fair to his players he had making a play for the playoffs to move him to Chicago then? I don’t think so. The Cubs did the right thing.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
What's more important?
AAA or the big leagues. Like players, some coaches are looking to make the jump. I have this argument all the time with Rockford Ice Hogs (’Hawks farm team) and Chicago Wolves (Thrashers farm team) fans all the time; them wanting to see players and coaches (coaches Mike Haviland of the ’Hogs and John Anderson of the Wolves for instance) stay there.
A sound organization stresses the importance of growth in their discipline. Up until at least the start of the 2010 campaign it looked as if Ryno was being fast-tracked to the majors with their sights set on Lou’s retirement after 2010. Now not so much.
IMO if the Cubs were dead set on Ryno being the next manager, they would have made the necessary arrangements to have Lou leave with dignity as of his 7/21 announcement and bring Ryno up right then and there.
Just win the next game...!
Then we clearly disagree.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
That's cool
However I’d be willing to say / bet that to a man, the AAA players would not only have truly been happy for Ryno he made it to the big show, it would further their enthusiasm in DesMoines knowing the guy that coached them got called up, so too could they.
Just win the next game...!
You didn't remember this FanPost, Al?
The second post is…somewhat prescient.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Al called it!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
BOOM. DONE.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 30, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I never got on that post the support for that idiotic request.
Sure am glad we beat them tonight in particular. Couldn’t happen to a better team.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
SET, are you pondering what I'm pondering
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
Not sure.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
wince
I think so Brain, but where are we gonna find a lederhosen at this time of night?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
yah...but...
and I do not think the Cubs are as far away from contention as some of you do.
Contention in the central division title (whoopppiiie) or contention for a pennant or winning the world series?
IMHO…they are far different things
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Make the playoffs
Then anything can happen. Ask the Marlins.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 30, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. Just get in. Then it's a crapshoot.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Well it may be a crapshoot
but a team with Halladay, Oswalt and Hamels has just a slight advantage :-)
"I knew when I left that restaurant that night that he was our guy." ~ Cubs GM Jim Hendry, Jan 2009.
No kidding...
Ask the 04 Red Sox or the 06 Cards or the 08 Cubs (97 game winner goes 3 and out to LA)
Yep.
I’d rather have a chance to win the WS, but of course you take whatever you can get. I don’t think Cincy has a chance but I’d much rather be there able to try…
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Still I appreciate KC's point
especially since competing within the division was the ceiling Andy MacPhail perpetually set for the Cubs under his watch. Sure, the playoffs are something of a crapshoot, but when your stated goal is just staying in the hunt of the NL Central, your spending habits reflect that same modesty.
Some offense...
and an ACE and a CLOSER (of lockdown variety….) which BTW in MHO …Marmol has become….and a real strong 2 and 3……(which the cubs do have)…..
Get the Cubs an ACE………and how about some hitting all year….not waiting until September to do it….
Yea..they aren’t all that far away…….BUT….I just don’t see the ACE….and someone else at the top of the rotation to step up and win a post season series next year even if they could take the Central…..which I believe correctly Al pointed out they aren’t all that far from being competitive for
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
He spends....
he just spends poorly
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
I remember a MacPhail quote which I've probably posted here before
something about his objective was to compete for the wild card and hope for the division title. Way to set your sights high, big guy…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Thank You
I couldn’t have said it better myself
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
I remember where I was watched
the 1984 NLCS from and who I was with . My son asked me to explain what occured and why . ( Earlier today) . His response was why are they rubbing salt in the wound so many years later ??? Good question but it is classless and shallow . Looks like the 2010 Cubs showed class and took 3 out of 4 . I dont think the Padres can dig out of this one !!
I doubt many of the Cubs players...
…realize how happy this makes Cubs fans. Suck it Padres…yeah I just brought back suck it.
It is funny though how our best rivalry, the Cardinals, don’t act like the Marlins, White Sox or Padres. Why? Because they have enough pride in their own organization, to worry so much about tearing down another.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
As much as I dislike the Cards, I gotta agree with you here.
Dear Jim: Hi. I'm Mike. Get Ryno in there. Ok bye. ---Mike
Oh I wouldn't go that far.
Live in St. Louis for a day. Takes that long to hear them constantly tear down the Cubs. They are just smart enough not to do it with the manager or nationally.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cardinal organization does publicly rip on the Cubs
The Cardinals’ marketing department is not the entity producing the t-shirts proclaiming that “Zambrano Mows My Lawn” or asking “Got Rings?”. That merchandise is produced separately and not sold or re-sold by the Cardinals organization. An organization is not responsible for the actions of its fanbase outside their premises. The Cardinals as an organization are friendly and classy in their interactions with visiting fans. About the only division rival that skirts complete respectability in this manner is the Reds, and that’s just because they don’t censure Marty Brennaman’s bitterness about obnoxious Cub fans. That’s their prerogative, but I don’t think GABP vendors, ushers, ticket-sellers, gate personnel, announcers, scoreboard operators, or security personnel discriminate against Cub fans simply because they are Cub fans.
Almost every other National League team out there is exactly the same – they don’t feel the need to antagonize their paying customers simply because that customer is wearing another team’s colors. The only organizations that feel the need to do this are two comparatively young franchises that haven’t had much sustained success in either attaining the post-season or (more importantly) putting asses into seats. Whether its good business to attempt to alienate a certain rarely-returning number of your paying customers in order to create more loyalty in the portion of your customer base that may return more often is debatable, but most organizations have come to the conclusion that this is not a trade-off they are willing to make. They may privately fume that the only times their turnstiles move with any regularity is when Team X is in town, but they sure do like it when the fans of Team X bring money and leave it in their park.
And we know that this strategy is already working negatively for at least one of these organizations. At least two individuals who post here have declared that they will no longer attend Cubs games at Petco due to the actions of the Padres organization. I kinda doubt those guys are gonna go out and buy Padres gear either, so that organization has already lost two paying customers that we know of. Who knows how many other Cub fans in San Diego or Miami have made the same decision?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 1, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow - all those words and I messed up the subject
*The Cardinal organization does not publicly rip on the Cubs
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
no Pujols just rips Cubs pitchers
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I disagree......
I live where the dead birds spring train…and find their fan base can be rude and condescending
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
....though that's the fans....
do agree for the most part the ORGAN-I-Zation…..is usually pretty classy
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
hmm...TLR beats the media into submission...
Broadcasters spend their games putting down the Cubs. Talk radio here has spots on it where they take a half hour to discuss how fat and ugly our fans are. I wouldn’t say zackly classy besides print media.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It does indeed.
Funny thing is he seems more reasonable than the rest of the media here.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
You can bash Philly fans all you want.
I can wear a Cubs jersey here and no one says a thing. My jersey of choice is a Sandberg 1984 mitchell and ness jersey. I saw my first Cubs win here this year. Saw quite a few losses in a row.
Most people here hope the Cubs do something. Based on Dallas Green going to Chicago in the early 80’s.
DX had style, I'll give them that - but nothing compares to the Road Warriors
“We dine on danger and snack on death. Tell ’em Hawk!”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
From the McCovey Chronicles
Exactly. The Cubs are paying you guys back for throwing Steve Garvey and 1984 in their faces all week. How does it taste SAN DIEGO? Far, deep and OVER?
And that’s a follow-up to a Ron Burgundy quote. And no, not “Stay Classy, San Diego.” The other one.
This will make me smile all year.
Beat them 3 of 4 when they work so hard to laugh at us. We got the final laugh…suck it Padres!
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Giants fans have our backs
They never schedule 1989 throwback night when we’re there. Besides, they’re too busy hating the Dodgers and Angels.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 30, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I have to think San Diego has an inferiority complex.
Prolly from years of frustration like us. But you don’t help matters when you act so childish towards us. They got what they deserved for sure.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
As a fer instance,
The fox network here runs ads where Jeff Foxworthy says in it, “If you are a Cubs fan, you are definitely not smarter than a fifth grader!”. I don’t mean that’s particularly grating, but it’s what the media does around here. They have an image of us as stupid beer swilling fat fans and inept team and love to laugh at the team whenever possible.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 30, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
San Diego's inferiority complex
goes far, far beyond baseball. Something about the shadow of Los Angeles blocking out all the sun there.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 1, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
Aside from the Dodgers and Padres, most people I know in SD could care less about LA, and the same goes for those I know in LA regarding SD. The only jealousy I can think of, if any really exist, is SD having the football team and LA having basketball. Sure, folks in SD root for the Lakers, but if you put sports aside, there’s very little that causes inferiority — It would be more accurate to call them rivals. I think OC being in the middle has a lot to do with this — Acting as somewhat of a large buffer zone between the two.
If I had to pick, I’d live in SD without thinking twice. The climate is better, the beaches are better, the ladies are better, there’s less traffic, and I find the people in SD to be more laid-back than those in LA. I went to school in SD and I believe it’s one of the finest places to live in the country. LA, IMHO, not so much.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
What - no love for their former team, the Clippers?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Sorry, repsectfully disagree
This market has an INCREDIBLE inferiority complex toward LA. It’s everywhere, especially in the native population.
Laid back to be somewhat apathetic about everything. It’s gotten worse, not better. Most complain about the ‘good old days’ before all the transplants arrived.
Los Angeles gets blamed for all the ills here, for reasons I cannot fathom.
LA is better place to work, generally and if I was able to find employment I’d be out of this town in a blink.
This town aspires to be Fresno. Apologies to Fresno.
(They hate the Clippers. You’d think the Lakers were the home team. That’s the only ‘item’ associated with LA they DON’T hate. Frontrunners.)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Did they hate the Clippers when they were in San Diego or only after they moved away?
If it’s after they moved away, I could see that, I guess. One of those lovers spurned things.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
They hated the Clippers
and owner Donald Sterling. Mainly Sterling. His rein of error in this market might be the worst the NBA ever saw. His girlfriend was asst GM. He moved his coach’s office into a hallway of the SD Sports Arena. He asked the training staff if they could re use tape to save cash.
I had just moved here. To see 2200 people at an NBA game was an eye opener.
He drove 120 miles from Beverly Hills to see the team lose nearly 60 games. Now, he only has to go 10 miles to see a suck team.
Losing 2 NBA teams is a horrible thing to have happen. The Clippers were ill-fated. The Rockets were sold to out of town interests, even though by 1965 standards, they were successful at the gate.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never lived in San Diego
But I’ve been there over a dozen times. I know many people from San Diego. And I agree with you. A rainy day is Los Angeles’s fault.
Think it goes beyond that...
nothing original. There is absolutely nothing original in most of CA. Sports teams are expansion or transplants. Many people are transplants. No natural roots. I see the same thing in AZ several times a year I’m out there. There can’t be, the teams haven’t been there 100 years.
It’ll be a couple more decades [in CA, AZ, Fla etc] until you hear, “my grandfather told me about going to a [Dodgers’] game when he was a kid”.
There’s something to be said about history. Even in the case of the Cubs’ futility. All the old places the Cubs played, even besides the West Side Grounds and well before 1916 and Weeghman Park. When they were part of the National Association before the National League. When they played before the great Chicago Fire. How their “newest home” Wrigley Field, is fast approaching a century!
And the other great ballparks come and gone: Ebbets, Forbes, Sportsmans, Polo Grounds, Exposition, Crosley, Comiskey, Tigers Stadium, the original Yankee Stadium & of course we still have Fenway. There’s none of that in CA and many other parts of today’s MLB. I was soooo lucky to have my Dad and Grand Dad tell me all about those places. I think it’s part of the anchor of the fan base, a good portion of the fan base since it’s multi-generational.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 1, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, Dodger Stadium
is over 40 years old, so the ‘grandfather’ clause can now be invoked.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
When I visited there during the playoffs in 2003
San Fran was pretty united in wanting to see the Cubs beat the Braves (their old division rivals). And since they weren’t holding out a lot of hope of beating the Marlins in their Division Series, a good many of them were pulling for the Cubs to win it all and give some relief to another long-suffering fanbase. As a Cub fan, I got more than one drink bought for me – my then-GF who was a Braves fan? Eh, not so much.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
we gave them Fonty not Theriot
so of course they have our backs
Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot
I am old enough to remember a funny column from 89
It might have been Royko, but I am not sure, but it as about unsuccessful efforts to get Giants and Cub fans riled up against each other. The writer said he couldn’t find either Giant or Cubs fan who would say anything really bad about the other team. Each wanted to win, but neither had any enmity. Honestly the Padres are the only Cubs post season opponent I disliked ( OK I am weird I like the Braves). This series was SWEET.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
You're not that weird
(lived on 3 different streets with “Peachtree” in their names)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
WOW!
BCB is quite the “G” rated site compared to its west coast brethren — It seems anything goes over there
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie" -- Tony Montana
It's not just the west coast
This site makes all other blogs seem like they all originated in the flames of hell.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
Yes Al takes all the fun out of it.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Sep 30, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
IMHO, he alienates one segment of the fanbase
And by doing so, he creates a much more diverse community. I’d wager that the demographics here are representative of far more market segments than almost any other site on SBN. A good bit of that comes down to enforcing a code of conduct which other sites do not. IMHO, it also makes for better conversations than competing to see who can come up with the most original combination of profanity, obscenity, and blasphemy on the fly.
YMMV.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Oct 1, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like coming here because (for the most part) people treat each other civilly and with respect.
We can disagree. We can vent. We can moan. (and we do…)
But as long as we can do it without tearing someone else or their opinion down in order to make ourselves or our opinion appear better, then I’ll continue to visit and post.
Plus, folks who post here can write reasonably well. Some sites read like they should be posted in crayon.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
It's not the "code"
that some fans get annoyed with, but rather the self-rightous manner of how it’s displayed. At least for me, it’s the “can do no wrong” mentality more so than the integrity of its content. I don’t mind that he runs a tight ship at all. Just a month ago or so I was lambasted for merely speaking my opinion on Lou’s departure, and how his personal life was a dagger in the heart of this season. Instead, I guess I was supposed to honor him like he passed away.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
You weren't the only one making that point nor the only one who took flak for it
Too soon, man – just…too soon.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Man, I hate SBN sometimes
It ate a whole paragraph there saying that it was an unpopular stance to take on that day, and Al wasn’t the only one opposing it. And that if you were to make the same point again today, you’d have a hard time finding opposition as vocal about it.
(the preview button is my friend)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
A brother in arms!
I think it may be safe in ’11 to start complaining about it again. Lou will be well-settled in his retirement by then.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I kept pretty mum on the whole thing, actually
I generally don’t do Big Emotional Stuff that close to Moment 0, but I can’t say I was as upset by your stance as many around here were. If you were to write a FanPost about it a week after the season ended (with appropriate accolades for back-to-back division titles, etc.), you’d probably get far less backlash.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Harsh criticism
isn’t accepted well here like WCG or many other blog sites. Even if it’s done in a respectable manner, going against the mainstream way of thinking won’t go very far. Most of the people that think the way we do usually steer clear of this place. To each his/her own I suppose. One thing I can’t complain about is the excellent content this site possesses.
"How do you know somebody is great? When you see how they respond to adversity. Anybody can man a ship when the waters are calm." - Jerry Angelo
I harshly criticize people all the time...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially people by the name of Theriot.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
I just read the McCovey Chronicles thread
Wow they were really into the game. I think they are going to send Snyder, Marmol & Quade some nice gifts. There love of Quade is pretty funny.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
True
Most of what people are saying is true. I was in San Diego in 2008. I even e-mailed Al because I know his history with the Friars fans. Same thing being said now happened to me when I was there. We took the first two games of the series and lost the last game. Ironically it rained that game too and if memory serves me correctly they honored the 84 team that night too. Anyhow after the game Padres fans rejoiced. Almost as if they won the WS. Clearly they were going nowhere that year, but beating us for one game put them over the moon.
For a team that has never won a World Series ever they sure do talk pretty big. As I was in the elevator to the parking garage a group of Padres began taunting me. I took it in stride and threw a few verbal jabs back, but I made a point to tell them as I was getting off the elevator that while there team is on the golf course in October, you can watch ours in the playoffs on TBS, I let the elevator shut and walked to my car. So long story short I’m glad we dealt them a blow to their playoff chances. Just like the Marlins they are another classless organization that doesn’t get it.
I can’t wait for the day we win the World Series I will make sure to attend games in San Diego that following season and make sure to rub their noses in it. Best of the luck to the Giants this weekend and to San Diego grow up.
If it was easy it wouldn't be the Cubs.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Sep 30, 2010 11:38 PM CDT reply actions
The Cubs could still reach 3rd place,
and while that’s not much, it would allow us to start hibernating with a more positive feeling for next year. The way the team has played in September and Mike Quade has managed shows that the team, despite all of its weaknesses, does have some real potential. 2011 may be too early for a WS win, but the Cubs should be able make a real bid for the playoffs.
Or is the KoolAid getting to me again?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
lol.
I read your header as “the Cubs could still reach third BASE”.
That means something else entirely…
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
thanks for that. i like the way you think.
that picture and a cubs win against the classless padres: priceless!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
You don't mean...
http://craphound.com/images/basesystemxkcd.jpeg
Possible NSFW warning
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I kept seeing game 5 of '84
Wish it was this game
Fashion statement.
They may have been wearing retro uniforms, but the were wearing them very nowtro.They didn’t wear them with the baggy pants like that in 84. They wore them tight and showing some stirrup (not high to the knees either).
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
Showing some 'leg' as it were ;)
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
When the game first started my wife said, "Wow. Those uniforms are ugly."
Ugly in 1984. Ugly now.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
I don't know what's worse, that uniform
or the crap the Vancouver Canucks used to wear. According to this list, SD is 5th (1983 but hey close enough right?), Canucks 4th…
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-ugliest-sports-uniforms.php
Guess who’s #1 ?? Don’t cheat…
(75-93 ’stros)
Just win the next game...!
without a doubt, the Canucks' flying V...
those should have been #1.
Nothing wrong with the Rainbow ’stros. Color scheme always made me think of flames and fire. Or maybe that was J.R. and Nolan…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Glad I don't have to see that tonite at United Centre
It’ll be the ‘classic’ ’guins jersey hopefully playing a nearly Stanley Cup home squad.
Just win the next game...!
I did too. Those are surely not in my
top 10 worst.
Unfortunately for me with hockey being my 1st sport, it seems it has the choke-hold on really, really, really bad uni’s…
Just win the next game...!
Techincally, they wore the wrong caps.
They wore the 1978 caps. The 1984 caps had orange piping around the “SD.” Since they were to wear the 84 unis only twice, they didn’t make caps for those games.
The Padres couldn’t even get their beloved uni right.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Question to the people:
Why has the Cubs bullpen fared so much better under Quade? Cashner, in particular, has been much better.
Good question.
It’s not the way he’s being used — that’s virtually the same.
But there is a difference, particularly with Cashner. I’ve noticed it too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I read something ...
not long after Quade took over that talked about how Lou could really give up on players, and that there was a noticeable difference in the play of some guys almost immediately after Lou left. I want to say that Cashner and Kosuke were mentioned specifically. But even beyond Cashner, the young guys have pitched better.
I’m still not sold on the offense for next year. Despite the strong play this month, the team really hasn’t hit THAT well.
BTW, the S-T and the Trib both had stories this morning about Kosuke possibly playing his last game as a Cub. I can’t freaking wait. :)
I'm all for dealing Kosuke, too.
He’s actually had a pretty good year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He’s actually had a pretty good year.
That’s why I’m not sure anymore.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
That makes it more sure
sell high. Of course that’s relative but he’s the best he’s been in his 3 years, Aprils’ excluded. If he can be dealt with minimal salary eating, it should be done.
Tyler Colvin……your table is ready.
Just win the next game...!
Agree...
…Kosuke can be a useful player, but I don’t think anyone will be wiling to pick up more than 5 mil of his salary.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That probably depends ...
on what the Cubs get back, player-wise, in return.
It usually does.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Heh.
But, seriously — if the Cubs get a low-A prospect for Kosuke, they could probably save more than $5 million.
I doubt it.
Put yourself in the other team’s shoes. Forget any prospects – just think in terms of payroll. How much would you be willing to pay to have Kosuke on your team next year? I’d be pleasantly surprised if it’s anything north of $6-7M.
Which means I expect the Cubs to be eating about half his salary ($13.5M) at the minimum. If the Cubs want players back in any deal, they’d most likely have to eat more.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
whoops - I think I misread your post and mishandled my math efforts.
Let me try again.
I think Cubs will have to eat at least half of Dome’s salary just to begin with. If there’s any players coming back, Cubs will have to eat more. So most we could save is $6-7M but probably less.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think you are dead on.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Then I respectfully withdraw my "I doubt it"...
…and replace it with a “AMAZING!!!?!?!!!! minds think alike”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Tyler Colvin will be more valuable ...
in 2011 than Kosuke Fukudome, barring injury. I’d be a lot of money on that.
If that's true ...
why do you have reservations about trading Kosuke?
To be honest I forgot how expensive he was.
I love his defense, but you are right…that’s a lot of money for a platoon player.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
If Colvin hadn't shown the ability to hit lefties ...
I might feel very differently. But Kosuke in right for another year would cost the Cubs $14.5 million PLUS another free-agent contract and a roster spot for a right-handed hitting outfielder. The Cubs don’t really have a right-handed hitting option in the minors.
Meanwhile, Colvin could play there every day, cost less than a million dollars and save the Cubs $5 million or $6 million — assuming the Cubs can get another team to take Kosuke and pay that much of his contract.
Given all that, and the fact that Byrd and Soriano are pretty much guarantees for next season, trading Kosuke is a no-brainer.
Not a no-brainer, me thinks
Let’s assume the most optimistic scenario you mention -that another team would pay $6 million. Are you going to be able to get a 4th outfielder that hits decently and plays good defense and can play all 3 outfield positions for much less than that? Looking at OPS for all ML outfielders, Kosuke ranks 25th, one notch below Soriano. I would use him strictly as a backup for Sori/Byrd/Colvin – not a platoon partner. I don’t think we’ll be able to realize enough savings and replace his talent to make it worth trading him.
But you don't need a fourth outfielder who plays all three positions.
Colvin can play all three, and I’m guessing the Cubs can find a guy who can play the corners effectively for much less than $6 million.
Hmm
And put up an OPS of .800?
I’m not doubting you, but could you give some examples of players available that fall in that range for those dollars?
Probably not with an .800 OPS.
But the Cubs could use that $5 or $6 million to address another need, give Colvin a full-time job and have a decent fourth outfielder who can play the corners — without paying $3.3 million for a Nady type so Kosuke won’t have to face lefties.
I see what you mean
I just really think that between Soriano’s health and Colvin’s possible sophomore slump that the 4th outfielder is going to get a substantial amount of playing time and we would need a bat at that level to replace those two. Hopefully I’m wrong!
That's possible.
I’d actually be fine with keeping Kosuke if a) he was more, or the Cubs viewed him as more, than a platoon outfielder and b) he performed well as a leadoff hitter.
Check out his leadoff stats, http://cubspack.com/2010/09/29/who-will-lead-off-in-2011/.
Also, Kosuke is a very good RF, but he really hits more like a CF. Which means he’s blocking a spot where a power hitter would normally hit.
Yikes
Those are terrible leadoff stats.
In fact, that link provided a pretty dismal picture of the leadoff spot for the Cubs. I like the idea of Byrd there, but then you’re looking for a #3 hitter.
Al and I were discussing this earlier.
Should the Cubs try to improve the leadoff situation this offseason? It’ll be pretty tough to do, as the only position where a true leadoff guy could really fit is at second. I would be willing to give Orlando Hudson a cheap a 1-year deal to see if he has anything left (note: a cheap, 1-year deal). But I can’t think of any other options outside of (ha) trying to trade for Brian Roberts or something.
I actually think DeWitt’s OK, but I don’t see him as much more than a younger Fontenot with more upside and better skills at third. That might be a good thing on a lot of teams, but on a squad with no clear leadoff guy and a lot of slow, free-swinging veterans …
I’ve been a proponent of signing Dunn to a reasonable deal. But if a better leadoff option presented itself by way of trade (or free agency, though I don’t know anyone who would fit), I certainly would be intrigued.
Also, I don't like Byrd leading off ...
but if the Cubs did sign Dunn, he and Aramis could hit three and four, making it possible to move Dunn higher in the order.
Byrd, Castro, Dunn, Aramis, Colvin, Soriano, Soto, DeWitt
Not ideal, but workable, I guess.
Meh.
Kosuke certainly is better than he was in 2008, but he hasn’t improved much between 2009 and 2010. His OPS went from .796 to .810.
Also, he’ll end up playing in 16 fewer games in 2010, or only 130 for the season. To me, that says that his increased performance is because he’s more rested — not because he’s really improved that much.
And, I’m sorry, but I can’t get behind a $14 million platoon player, even if he’s left handed and can start most of the time. You can argue as to whether he can actually hit lefties, or whether the Cubs gave up on him hitting lefties too soon. But, as a Cub, Kosuke will require a platoon partner, meaning the cost of having him on the team is MORE than $14 million a season. You could argue that it was $3.3 million more (the cost of Xavier Nady) in 2010.
I would never dispute Kosuke’s defense. But, to me, he’s just a confounding player who’s statistical pluses mask his practical downsides.
But he has played better in 2010. He also only has a year left on his deal, and the Cubs have a cheaper (probably better) replacement in Tyler Colvin who won’t require a platoon partner. I personally will be thrilled when the Cubs dump Kosuke.
Kosuke's hit lefties better than righties this season
I don’t understand the sentiment to dump him at all costs. If the return is decent, that’s one thing. But he would provide value backing up all 3 OF positions next season with around 3 starts a week.
That makes me feel better.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
Kosuke's not MB.
But he is blocking Colvin, and possibly other moves. As has been noted, Kosuke’s improved play — even if it’s not THAT much better than his 2009 — coupled with him having only 1 year left makes him tradable.
This is just a personal feeling.
When Quade makes a move I usually feel like I understand it and it makes sense.
When Lou made moves, I often didn’t understand them and found myself wondering what was going on. Maybe it’s as much a change in dugout and bullpen atmosphere as anything.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
That might be part of it.
I think it’s more that Quade doesn’t seem like the angry old guy who will sit you for a month for one mistake. My guess is that the guys in the dugout knew why Lou would sit guys like Baker and Fontenot for seemingly weeks at a time, even though we didn’t. They probably made some mental mistake or offended Lou’s sensibilities, and the other players were on pins and needles as a result.
Approachability may be a part of it
I’ve only played under ‘Q’ for a couple weeks now, so that’s a tough question to answer. He is the same, approachable person that he was prior to being named manager and I think the guys really respect that.
-Sam Fuld (Source)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dempster said this
He’s been very upfront and very honest with all of us. He’s been tremendously supportive. He’s given us a lot of confidence to go out there. What he’s done for the bullpen – those guys have really stepped up with his belief in them.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
That's right.
My guess is that the players respected the fact that Quade was very upfront about benching Castro for a couple games, whereas Lou probably wasn’t explicit in why he put guys like Fontenot and Baker in the doghouse.
There isn't nearly as much bullshit going on
No more him-hawing crock-of-shit news conferences (e.g. what the hell do you want me to do about it?!).
That rubs off onto the players, especially the younger ones.
What though I really want to see? Is Quade kick Ramirez and Soriano in their lazy arses.
Just win the next game...!
One of the more interesting things ...
that Lou said all summer was that he couldn’t understand why none of the Cubs young relievers were stepping up. Now, with Lou gone, they are — which is fascinating.
During his final press conference, Lou said he’d be watching the Cubs on TV. I’d love to hear his comments on the improved performance (particularly in the pen) since he left.
I remember that quote - I agreed with it at the time and I still do.
It’s one of the more astute things Lou said during his tenure here. I recall he also added in something about what a great opportunity they had and no one was taking it.
There must have been other things going on behind the scenes because if this quote here is what was keeping the bullpen down and underperforming, i.e. they felt like they were being picked on, embarrassed, thrown under the bus, etc. then I’m not too impressed with their mental makeup. I don’t care if it was Attila the Hun making that statement, it was dead-on, and anyone worth their salt would see it as a challenge and want to work harder to step up and take advantage of that opportunity.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think there was SOME truth in what Lou was saying.
It was astonishing that NONE of the guys were really taking advantage of the opportunity. But I also felt that most of them just didn’t have the talent to make it work.
It showed Lou’s exasperation at the time, and how he couldn’t understand why nothing was working. His middle-order bats had forgotten how to hit, the ace of his staff had regressed emotionally, and he couldn’t get anything out of his bullpen (other than Marmol and Marshall).
It’s hard not to attribute the change in performance to Mike Quade. He didn’t get a bunch of new players on Aug. 23. He’s gotten more out of the players that Lou had apparently given up on. And I think that’s why he’s probably going to be the manager next season.
I will note that I think the trade of Derrek Lee has been a huge lift to the Cubs. In a lost season, I’m guessing Quade would have put Lee in the No. 3 hole each day as a way of respecting a veteran (the same way Quade has deferred to Hill). But getting Lee out of the middle of the order, IMO, has really helped the team. And I say that with much respect for Lee’s seven years as a Cub.
Quade went out of his way the other day
to give credit to Rothschild and Lester Strode. To me one of the most intriguing mysteries is the relationship between Lou & Larry. I don’t have any reason to believe they did not get along very well, but what I am curious about is how much Lou listened to Larry. Obviously the kids in the bullpen did a crappy job this year under Lou but it is not as if his bullpen managing was good in the previous years.
None of the relievers save Marshall & Marmol did “step up” but it seems like a chicken & egg problem. Lou had no patience when they had problems and yanked them around and they seemed to get even worse. You may not be impressed by their “mental makeup” but a bunch of rookies might actually need a little support.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
This makes last nights' win all the better
the Padres marketing department spares no opportunity to stick it to the Cubs, which in my opinion is truly classless.
Ah, San Diego, a junior-grade LA… Hey San Diego !!… ENJOY the off-season and your Chargers being blacked out once or twice more. Enjoy your “winter” teams’ sports too.
Just for shits and grins, I’m just pouring it on a colleague who lives out there and is [allegedly] a big fan. He thought it was just fine-and-dandy they celebrated that 25-yr NL pennant last season in the Cubs faces. My only wish is that with Marmol’s last out last night the Giants magic number would have gone to zero.
Just win the next game...!
I had this thought last night as I am leaving work
Would a viable strategy for 2011/2012 be to sink some money in Jake Westbrook types instead of sinking a bunch of money in a Cliff Lee. You still don’t have a true ace but the theory would be that you strengthening the back end of the rotation enough that from 1-5 it is stronger than anyone’s in the division. Likewise, would take some pressure of the bullpen as your 4th/5th guys should be going longer than a typical 4/5 guy.
To make this work, contract dollars and length would have to be reasonable enough that it still allowed u the ability to improve the bullpen and add an impact bat without jeopardizing the future.
Just a thought…flame away.
"All I want is food and creative love" - Rusted Root
Yeah, Westbrook types
and Lilly types…
A good 1 through 5 gets you to game #163.
A strong 1, 2 & 3 gets you 11 wins starting with game #163.
Just win the next game...!
I have to go with no.
The Cubs need that horse at the front of the rotation.
Dempster and Z are solid as #2/3 (in some order). Gorz and Wells are fine as 4/5. It is that TRUE #1 that is missing.
I would much, much rather invest in Cliff Lee than two of Westbrook/Lilly (who, IMO, would cost more than 1 Lee anyway, given the dearth of available pitching).
And one of the primary reasons is a very overlooked component of Lee, in particular. That is, his ability to go DEEP into games. In essence, he makes your bullpen better because you know there will be 30-32 times a year where you will only pitch Lee and 1 (or maybe 2) other relievers to cover the last 1-2 innings. He essentially eliminates the middle men. This lets you “spot” them much better on the other 4 days.
I do not think your strategy is horrible or unthinkable in anyway. But give me Cliff Lee as the only offseason addition… and I think that makes the Cubs a contender. Yep. I said it.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Nice rush for 4th place after a very disappointing 24 months
clean house Ricketts
not pretty but necessary
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Hadn't looked in days
Thought they were just about a lock for the #8 pick.
Pgh, AZ, Was, KC, Cle, Bal, Sea #1-#7 in no particular order.
Just win the next game...!
And then someone is pushed back a slot
Because AZ did not sign Barret Loux. I think AZ gets the #7 pick for it.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 1, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
the padres always play up the 1984 thing
thats why I’ve actually been watching this series for a change. Every year there is some special event and they give away something commemorating the 1984 playoff series.
Mine always ends up in the urinal.
Cub fan since 1969 and Im not taking my avatar down until they show up in a playoff series.
It was nice to see the Cubs
starting to turn down the Gas lamp
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I always love the hilarious persecution complex you guys have about the Padres.
I really, REALLY, REALLY hate those 1984 Padres uniforms. And based on this tweet from Carrie earlier today, I was led to believe that the Padres “Throwback Thursday” would be from 1978, not 1984. I should have known better — the Padres marketing department spares no opportunity to stick it to the Cubs, which in my opinion is truly classless.
I also love how you fail to mention that this “classless” act of wearing the 1984 jerseys was done because all 40 of the Padres’ jerseys were being raffled off for charity immediately following the game.
I know you like to think this was all about the Padres making you relive a traumatic, nearly 30-year-old experience, but in all likelihood it was to raise interest and money for an organization dedicated to children’s health and education.
by Wreckard on Oct 1, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They do "The Shirts Off Their Backs" thing every year and give the proceeds to the Padres Foundation.
The marketing department can’t think of a single thing to market other than 1984? That’s their big money maker? Really? Regardless of what the $ is for…the reason they chose the 84 jerseys was because they were playing the Cubs. They make a point to do it almost every single year during a Cubs series.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Not to pile on too much
But the fans indicated they wanted the ‘78s. Maybe they could have raised more for charity if they’d given their own fans what they wanted?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Marketing department won out.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a team with almost no history
Their comeback in that series is one of the few memorable things that franchise has ever done in the post-season. Why shouldn’t they celebrate it any chance they get? It’s their prerogative. And if doing so this year generates some extra money for charity then that’s all the better.
The only thing you can do as a Cubs fan is get over it.
PADRES =
Classless.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Nobody is saying they shouldn't have the right to do it...
what is being questioned is the motivation and character behind it.
It’s like a certain proposed construction project that’s been overly debated. Just because you can doesn’t always mean you should.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
A constant assumption that someone is doing something solely to bother you
reeks of a persecution complex.
Have you ever been to more than one Padres/Cubs series in San Diego?
They do the ’84 celebration during the Cubs series…..every. single. year.
I’m not assuming anything.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, yes, you are
You are assuming they do this every single year against the Cubs to “get at” the Cubs fans, and not for the sake of their own fans.
Do you know for a fact
that they aren’t doing this to “get at” the Cub fans?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Of course I don't
There are two possibilities here:
1) The Padres could care less what the Cubs fans think and are doing this to entertain their fans and drive interest to a charity raffle
2) The Padres are doing this to throw 1984 in the Cubs fans’ faces because they are classless and mean
If #1 is true, everyone here has a persecution complex and is being really silly.
If #2 is true, then everyone here is giving them exactly what they want.
Wrong
As has been pointed out to you several times, Padres fans said they preferred a different year. The team chose to do this when the Cubs were in town.
- may or may not be true. Whatever the reason, other teams’ marketing departments (except the Marlins) don’t do things to deliberately slam other teams. I’m not sure why you think this is OK.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Padres fans preferred and got the 78 jerseys for every single throwback day except this one
1 and 2 above are the possible explanations for this. The only logical reaction to either of them is to not care.
By caring you’re either feeding their troll or acting like a paranoid with a persecution complex.
Thank you for speaking reason.
I wasn’t a fan of either team back in ‘84, but I root for both the Cubs and the Padres now (as well as two other teams, and no I don’t see that as improper) and this gloating I’m seeing here sickens me. I hate to break it to Cubs fans, but not every Padres fan is obsessed with making us relive being beaten by them. This sort of stuff is why we’re regarded as one of the most oversensitve, touchy and unbearable fanbases in all of MLB and receive no sympathy when we fail. Not to mention it’s destroying our karma (if you believe in that sort of thing, which I do).
You gloaters got your wish; the Padres are eliminated, now shut the eff up and let it die.
Great, they auctioned off the jerseys for charity.
You don’t think they could have done the same thing with 1978 jerseys? Or another year that they did on one of the Throwback Thursdays?
No, the ‘84 year was specifically chosen to stick it in the Cubs’ face.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sure, but maybe it wouldn't have generated as much interest
No, the ‘84 year was specifically chosen to stick it in the Cubs’ face.
Obviously if that’s their goal you’re sure making it work for them.
The fans voted for the '78 unis
http://www.gaslampball.com/2010/6/24/1535339/1984-padres-uniforms-to-return-for
They already expressed more interest in them.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That vote was for which one people would rather see, not necessarily bid on
You people are so weird about the Padres. It’s hilarious.
Maybe you're the one that's weird.
Everyone seems to agree but you.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
No, we're all in the echo chamber.
Wreckard is the one that’s sophisticated enough to “be above” all of this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
His avatar does say Mr. Know-it-all
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
That explains a lot.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I'll share some of Wreckard's perspective on this one
Even if the Padres are “classless”, so what? Shouldn’t a lack of class be their problem? Why make it yours?
I understand it may have been the most traumatic sporting spectacle you (the collective you) ever went through, but it was also 26 years ago. I don’t expect you to forget, but sheesh, why torture yourself?
I suspect one of the reasons the Padres keep doing this is because of it generates reactions like this. Why do you keep feeding the troll? Just ignore it. I suppose there are no guarantees it will go away, but ignoring them would deprive them of some level of satisfaction.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 1, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
So the one they vote for is not the one they would most likely bid on?
Makes sense to me. Why bother with that silly voting stuff in the first place, the marketing guys no much more than the fans about this stuff.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
So why would they not listen to their fans?
Of course, you seem to know more about this than the Padres do, so I’ll defer to you on this one.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
They did listen to their fans.
They already did multiple 1978 throwback jersey days. They decided to do 1984 just for this final Throwback Thursday.
This was done to coincide with their charity raffle. Presumably to drive interest in said raffle.
Either that, or an elaborate marketing troll to make Cubs fans feel sad.
I hate to tell you this
but Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy are not real.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Thank heaven for Woodstock Willie.
He IS real. I’ve seen him.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
In Woodstock it's Willie.
The folks in Punxsutawney will try to tell you he’s an imposter. They think Phil is the only true prognosticator of prognosticators. Do not believe it. Keep in mind that they also believe that the same Phil has been the only groundhog for the past 120 or so years of Groundhog Day’s history. They claim his long life is due to a special elixir they give him every summer at the Groundhog Picnic. If you ask me…they’ve had a little too much of that elixir themselves.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
How would one go about procureing said elixir?
If one were so inclined…
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
I wish I knew.
I’m not a member of the Inner Circle.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
So.... you're saying throwback jersey day is a myth?
Or are you saying that the charity is fake and they made this all up?
I’m confused.
Let's clear this up
Who cares if the Marketing stunt coincides with some local charity?
the Padres showed a total lack of class for their opponent (the Cubs) by doing this when the same marketing stunt has been pulled by them before when the Cubs are in town. They were wrong for doing this in this way.
IF the whole 1984 throw-back jersey thing is SO important, then why don’t they do a “1984 throw-back jersey day” sometime else during the season? Why only when the Cubs are in town? They could still donate whatever money they get then to the same charity!
In the words of my old college president: “It’s never right to do wrong in order to get a chance to do right”.
Think about that one, Padre fans!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Marmol mania.
A couple nuggets on the ridiculously under-appreciated season Marmol is having…
~He has saved 13 of the Cubs 17 September wins.
~He has saved 37 of the Cubs 73 total wins (over half).
~He is likely to set the K/IP record for a reliever (there was an article recently posted around here that I can’t find right now).
Shut up Joe Morgan.
He also...
~Leads NL relievers in WAR (3.0).
~And you could argue he has been just a touch unlucky… his BABIP is .327.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
This one?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"Fukudome may played"?
Who proof these things?
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
It's the Internet!
Anyone can write anything without having pesky things like editors around to filter the message! (See my screwup above for an example)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"Fukudome may played last game for Cubs"?
Editing his own articles must not be Phil Rogers’ strong suit.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Oct 1, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way, what is his strong suit?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Oct 1, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Reporters and columnists ...
rarely write headlines.
OT: Omar Minaya and Jerry Manuel won't return to their present roles next year.
I know who the next GM and manager for the Cubs will be next year!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
Got a link for that?
And if your answer is “Minaya and Manuel”, you’d be wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
...you're wrong
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS OUR BOY: ADAM DUNN IS JUST A TOY!
No, I'm right.
My response was to your comment about who the Cubs’ GM and manager will be next year.
It won’t be Minaya and Manuel.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was only kidding.... >_<
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"My favorite food is Macaroni and Cheese, from the blue box." Geovany Soto
I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 1, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, do you know who Eckhart Tolle is?
You might want to read a book of his or watch a lecture.
Yes'm
Check him out!
He’ll revolutionize the way you feel about Padres fans and the pain they have caused you.
Yes'm
Still waiting for the 1998 Padres
celebration. Has yet to happen, but 1984 seems to be etched in stone here.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
They don't seem to care at all about beating Atlanta....
I’ve actually asked the 6 “longtime” Padre fans in my office about that ’98 season…only one of them remembers who they beat to get to the WS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That 1998 Atlanta Braves Team
The Braves won 106 regular season games that season. That’s the most posted by any National League team since the 1986 Mets won 108. You would think that the Padres would celebrate beating that great Braves team.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Ha Ha!
I think next year, when the Padres come to Wrigley, we should have a “2010 throw-back jersey day” in celebration of when the Cubs knocked them out of the 2010 playoff race!
What do y’all think?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha HA!
I think next year, when the Padres come to Wrigley, we should have a 2010 “Throw-Back jersey Day” to celebrate the Cubs knocking them out of the 2010 playoff race!
What do y’all think?
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Oct 1, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryder Cup Update: USA 3 Europe 1
P. Mickelson / D. Johnson - 1Up thru 11 - L. Westwood / M. Kaymer
S. Cink / M. Kuchar - 2Up thru 11 - R. McIlroy / G. McDowell
S. Stricker / T. Woods - 1Up thru 9 - I. Poulter / R. Fisher
B. Watson / J. Overton - 1Up thru 8 - L. Donald / P. Harrington
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
SWL is just giving eths (and other BCBers from across the pond)...
…a chance to go find their golf outfits from 1985. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Sorry...I should have worked something about Maple Bats in there.
Sheesh.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Marmol's 37 Saves
That’s impressive on a team that’s only won 73 games to this point. I wouldn’t be bothered with Marmol picking up 2 more saves this season. I want the Cubs to win all three games in Houston, but I don’t want Marmol to blow out his arm. I’m hoping Cashner or Marshall can close out that third game.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
don't worry...
I’m sure with Koyie HIll’s bat in the lineup we’ll win the rest of these games by double digits.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Hill is a younger version of Paul Bako. The Cubs aren’t going to need Marmol to save any games this weekend because they are going to blow the Astros out three games in a row and finish ahead of them in the standings for that all-important fourth place slot in the NL Central.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Only Bako is a better baseball player than Hill.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 1, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Bako With His OPS+ of 62 Was
better than Hill has been with an OPS+ of 50.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Wasn't Bako ...
better at things like sacrifice bunts and moving runners over? Or is my memory off?
The "Great" Paul Bako
It seems as if he was a better handler of the bat than Hill was. Hill is slugging under .300 this season. That’s just inexcusable for any position player on an MLB roster.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I joined BCB just for this reason:
Thank you Cubs I love you.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
You're welcome.
I have no problem with the Giants. If you guys do get in, I hope you win.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks, I hope so too. Also Quade is such a classy dude for putting his best starting rotation against the Padres and the cubs are classy for playing hard. I gained tons of respect for Byrd when he made that diving catch against the Giants when the Cubs were getting blown out, shows a lot of heart and respect for the game.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
1954
Well, it’s not as far back as 1908, but it would nice to see the Giants end their world championship drought.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
im more of a cake kind of guy
but its the thought that counts
i guess
ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS 5000X BETTER THAN PV AND BROB
by jesus christos on Oct 1, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I got you
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
t's Posey time!!
Screw you Flannery.
This team has definitely shown some heart late in a failed season
Can’t say the same for many Cubs teams in my lifetime.
Dibs on that peanut butter cookie hiding behind the coffee cup...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Then I'll snag that m & m cookie.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
I get the roll of postage stamps
I can’t just go home and bake up some postage stamps.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Good.
You guys all take the cookies and stamps.
I get the laptop.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Your phone is probably more powerful than that laptop
And has better apps, too
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Please tell Mikey
that I gave him a standing ovation when he had his first at bat at Wrigley in a Giants uniform the other day and that I’m sorry I can’t root for him anymore.
♪♫ It's a beautiful day for the ladies, so throw all your dishes away. ♪♫
We love you back, sanfrankid
It’s been noted around here that the Giants fanbase is one of the few in the NL that has always been nice to us.
We’ll forgive you for 1989 if you forgive us for 1908. Merkle should have touched second anyway and McGinnity was guilty of interference.
In 1989
I had Giants fans consoling me and a friend after losses. They were so happy to be winning it was as if Cubs fans were invisible. They were happy to win. The competition didn’t matter, as it did in San Diego 1984. In losing I had the best experience possible at Candlestick and I have had an affinity for the Giants since then.
As far as I am concerned, that’s a great fan base.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 1, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Friar Friar
MLB Network did a documentary on the ‘84 Padres a year ago. I couldn’t even watch it. I know it’s been almost 30 years, but I still hate those guys. I hate that team. San Diego is a beautiful city and they’ve done a lot to support the military there which I appreciate. But as a baseball organization they are as classless as the Marlins of Miami.
Most of the guys on the two teams were kids or babies during the ‘84 LCS. Starlin Castro wasn’t even born yet. So, from a player’s standpoint, I don’t think they really care or like the uniforms that much. They were ugly uniforms then and they’re even uglier now. Whatever magic those unis had in 1984, it didn’t work in 2010.
The doc
wasn’t quite what you thought it might be.
Sure, it celebrated the comeback in the NLCS but it examined…..the strange things that have happened to many members of that team afterwards.
Deaths….Show, Wiggins
Loss of Limb…Dravecky
Gwynn….ripped off by his agent, literally broke
Garvey…humiliated by many paternities
One would almost call that team cursed if one believed in such nonsense.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Oct 2, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
payback????
go home friars and remember it was the cubs that finished your season. 1984 was my first taste of cub failure. quade is starting to scare me because i think he will get the job now. i thought he was keeping the seat warm for rhyno but now i dont know.
as far
as trading kosuke if hendry can trade bradley i think he can pull it off.
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