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Dempster, Cubs Relievers Pounded In 18-5 Loss To Mets

Ryan Dempster: not your day.

I'll let Josh review this game later on in the minor league wrap, but it seems to me that following the Iowa/Memphis game today -- in which both managers were ejected and at this writing, is in the 15th inning tied 7-7, would have been more entertaining than watching the Cubs lose to the Mets 18-5 and give the Mets three five-run innings. This included five RBI for Mets rookie SS Ruben Tejada, who came into the game hitting .185 with eight total RBI in 184 plate appearances and never more than one RBI in a game before today, and two RBI from Mets pitcher Jon Niese, who had one career RBI in 71 plate appearances before today.

My friend Dave said that if Ryne Sandberg had this good a record with Iowa with some of the guys now on the major league pitching staff, he should be manager of the decade. He has a point, too. Marcos Mateo: not a major league pitcher. Thomas Diamond: not a major league pitcher. James Russell: well, maybe a situational lefty next year.

Whoever is named manager of the Cubs next year, he and Jim Hendry have to rebuild the back end of the bullpen, because it's awful. And what on Earth was Mike Quade doing, putting Sean Marshall in the game with one out to go and the Cubs down 13 runs? That's the time you put in one of your backup position players to pitch. How much fun would it have been to watch Kosuke Fukudome pitch? Marshall shouldn't have been anywhere near that game.

Star-divide

That's a minor quibble, after Ryan Dempster struggled his way into the fifth inning. Quade was clearly leaving him in there to try to get him his 100th career win. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, with the team far out of pennant contention. But Dempster couldn't seal the deal in the fifth inning, and thanks to Tyler Colvin trying to throw a ball in before he had it and then dropping it, Dempster wound up giving up four unearned runs in the fifth inning.

Even then, the Cubs had a shot at getting back into the game when Geovany Soto hit a home run right to our bench in left field leading off the seventh. In four and a half years in that corner, that's the first direct hit. Unfortunately, it bounced off the bench and down several rows, where it landed in the hands of a Mets fan. On the replay you can see us in the top row looking for it -- I thought it had rolled under our bench, but I never saw it bounce down.

Oh, well. After Geo's home run, the score was 8-5 and with the Mets bullpen having been shaky the last two days, it looked like the Cubs had a shot. That's before Russell and Diamond came in and put the game far out of reach. For a time it looked like the Cubs might have their second 16-5 loss in two weeks, but instead the walks and hits kept on coming in the ninth. Cubs pitchers wound up giving up nine walks and 21 hits in their worst loss of the year. (And let's not even talk about the wave, which went around Wrigley three times. That simply does not belong at Wrigley, or any stadium. It's a tired old gimmick. Give it up.)

The games don't mean that much right now, but it will be interesting to see how Quade leads the team back in tomorrow's game against Houston. If the Cubs do bounce back and win, and maybe win another series, it's a point in Quade's favor. A minor point, maybe, but a point nevertheless.

Meanwhile, Iowa's game -- with Ryne Sandberg watching from the stands after being tossed -- is still going. Josh's recap will be up later tonight.

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In conjunction with the GM, yes it is.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Giving them TOO MUCH influence.

There’s a difference, which I think you can clearly see, between a collaborative effort, and just giving the manager carte blanche (which I think Hendry did with Lou and Dusty).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree it should be a collaborative effort to an extent

However, if you’re going to continue to lessen Hendry’s responsibility for the past seven years by blaming the manager’s with this “carte blanche” defense, it’d be nice if you gave some evidence every once in a while.

by shoemile on Sep 5, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry isn't capable of building a set of Legos, let alone a major league bullpen.

"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL

by HotDogDude on Sep 6, 2010 9:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I rewound and watched Geo's HR bounce down

But I saw you reach for it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

This will also serve as a Memphis vs. Iowa game thread.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I bet if someone does one tomorrow

They’d get some comments :)

''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 5, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Since the big club plays at the same time

We’ll probably just do a combined thread like we did today – it was pretty fun.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Feel free.

Sounds like fun. Maybe both teams will win tomorrow.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

for today...i think both in one worked well, since they played at the same time

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"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 5, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on, Iowa!!!!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Camp with the terrific diving catch!

But the Redbirds are up 8-7 in the bottom of the 15th

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's a link to MiLB gameday audio feed if you want to listen to the rest of the I-Cubs game

http://asx.aicmail.net/mlb/flash/pcl_iowa_cubs.html

and if you click on that link twice and open up two windows, you get a cool echo thing going…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 5, 2010 5:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Al, if Memphis and Iowa end up with the same record,

Does Memphis make it to the playoffs over Iowa?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

You'll have to ask Josh.

I honestly don’t know.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't be up when you post the minor league

What did Ryno get thrown outta the game for

''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I missed the first inning

but from the recap, it sounds like arguing balls and strikes

by Josh Timmers on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arguing balls and strikes in the first inning.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe they do

I think they were tied going into this series and because of tiebreakers (head-to-head?), Iowa was going to have to win 3 out of 4 to advance.

Hope Josh can confirm/correct.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 5, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Iowa loses tomorrow

The season series between Memphis and Iowa will be tied. They then go to the second tiebreaker, which is divisional record, and Memphis has the better record there.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 5, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see if good defense begets good offense

Come on, Camp!

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

This guy had an ERA of over 8 when he came in.

Seriously? Why are they making him look like Cy Young?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:38 PM CDT reply actions  

don't look good for the I-Cubs

The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!

by VegasCubFan on Sep 5, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Still breathin'

Winning run at the plate

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Mota walks.

Come on, Adduci!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

let's go Adduci

The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!

by VegasCubFan on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed that these games don't mean much - no matter who wins or loses, but...

when is the last time you saw a team put up a five spot in three separate innings? That just doesn’t happen very often…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Our bullpen is awesome!!!

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Totally Awesome" - Jeff Spicoli

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Sep 5, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs lose :(

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I google for it turn it on...

and it’s last 1/2 inning. They lose.

''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your fault!

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

RATS

The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!

by VegasCubFan on Sep 5, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Crap.

Need to win tomorrow.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Why was Sandberg ejected?

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Or I could just wait for someone else to ask LOL

''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly

by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Josh

Gameday just said ejected in the first, just curious why

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Norrick's ERA went from over 8 to 6.60.

And he pitched three innings, and the Iowa Cubs couldn’t get so much as a run against him.

Cy Young Norrick!!!!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:44 PM CDT reply actions  

That's one thing they have in common with the parent team...

Making crappy pitching look good.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were noticing lots of similarities

An inability to throw first-pitch strikes was one of them

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh,

When do the Iowa Cubs play tomorrow?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions  

1:05 Central

Jay Jackson goes against Evan MacLane.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 5, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The same Jay Jackson who pinch-hit in the late innings?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aah..

Ryno ejected for arguing a call at second base, attempted steal by the I-Cubs, he continued to argue from his perch at third base and got tossed.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you.

As I said, I missed the first inning.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 5, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem...

Listening to the post game show.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Meant to be a reply to Josh, above. :)

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

by sicubsfan on Sep 5, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Mets' ninth had to be the longest inning, in terms of time, I've witnessed ever.

Or maybe it just seemed that way because it was the third time they batted around, and the second time in two innings.

We were in standing room and I think I damaged a hamstring just standing there.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Sep 5, 2010 5:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Why the heck not?

Does anyone know if Rami was really hurt or was he benched for dogging it to first?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's hurt.

Sore quad. Day-to-day. Hill had to play 3B because Barney had already PH and Baker was out of the game for DeWitt. Hill played a couple innings at 3B last year too, and a few games in the minors there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw him pull up short of first

But the replay the WGN cut to first didn’t show anything, and he appeared to be walking just fine (if a little slowly) back to the dugout. It was fairly inconclusive from what they were showing, and they didn’t really circle back to it afterward, either. So I ask.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 5, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

huh

At that point, the game was out of reach. Might as well take Aramis out. There was no one else on the bench to turn to, as Baker had started, DeWitt had come in, and Barney had been used.

by toonsterwu on Sep 5, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

this

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 5, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

woo hoo

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 5, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

...should be green

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

weeeeee

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 5, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did HWSNBN hack your account right there?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010! State high point count: 3/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Sep 5, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

i acn call and ask

Chronologically inept since 2060
"I could be writing this crap!" -- Crow T. Robot
Me: Q: I can run but not walk. Wherever I go, thought follows close behind. What am I?
Wrigster A: Theriot

by Cubbie-Tim on Sep 5, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

...is futile

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 5, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The wave sucks...

but if it went around the whole stadium, then it would’ve been kinda cool.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Sep 5, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 6, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think I've ever wanted a Cubs game to end more than today's

My brother and I decided to try the bleachers (RF) and sat in a sespool of what the nation thinks of Cubs fans and people from New York. It was in our corner of suck that the wave started and right in front of us where Tyler Colvin dropped the ball that lead to the 4 unearned runs. Highlights included knocking out another huge helmet of nachos, a brief lead, and a cute blonde a couple rows down. At least my brother and I went down with the ship together.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Sep 5, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Koyie Hill should have pitched the 9th.
“I was trying to talk my way into playing center [field],” Hill said. “[Quade] asked if I wanted to play second or third, and I said, ‘Center field.’ He said, ‘Second or third,’ and I said, ‘Pitcher.’ He said, ‘Second or third,’ and I said, ‘Second,’ and he sent me to third.”

by Nooblet on Sep 6, 2010 1:18 AM CDT reply actions  

TG I fell asleep during the 7th/8th inning.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Sep 6, 2010 2:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Ho hum

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by MrNFL on Sep 6, 2010 2:12 AM CDT reply actions  

because Don didn't know the words?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 6, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I actually didn't mind seeing Marshall in the 9th -

that was a long freaking game and I just wanted it to be over! The way this season is going a position player would have probably given up another four runs

by doofus cubs guy on Sep 6, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

The way this season is going a position player would have probably given up another four runs

The way this season is going, a position player probably would have thrown a three-pitch strikeout.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 6, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

that

dropped ball by colvin pretty much lost the game. these relief pitchers are not doing themselves any favors in regards for next year. what an embarssing season. lets just hope they can turn it around as fast as they did after the dreadful 2006 season.

by NOMAR on Sep 6, 2010 10:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Who was the woman in the Bleachers with the No Wave sign?

Len and Bob commented that it’s either “No Wave” or Wave with the (/) through it. But not both.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 6, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

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