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Snap! Padres skein ends
Todd Hundley’s bat helped end a 10-game losing streak.

The Todd Hundley reference? Or the “skein” reference? Skein, apparently has something to do with thread.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 7, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't get it either.

What’s painful about this? Using skein instead of skid? Am I missing something here?

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 7, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

TODD Hundley

It was supposed to be NICK not Todd. While Hendry made his best trade with Todd , the man was my least favorite Cub of all time.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 7, 2010 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh I got that

But I saw the “skein” first and thought it must have some foul reference. And I was right – a flock of wildfowl (as geese or ducks) in flight

Thank you, I’ll be here all week. Try the veal…

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 7, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean it isn't Phil Nevin...

I still hate Phil Nevin. In my book, Todd gets points for being the son of one of my all time favorite Cubs (even if Todd was jerk).

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by kaseyi on Sep 7, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevin, on the other hand

enjoyed his time with the Cubs. He talked about it in length when he did some pre-game radio Padres talk after retirement.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 7, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did?

Sure could have fooled me from his time when he was here. Seemed pretty sour faced most of the time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 7, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya know........

… after getting to know Randy a little bit and meeting Todd as well, I learned to go a bit easy on Todd. All was not what it seemed.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Sep 7, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

There are some things about the situation Randy and Todd could have used for sympathy and never did.

I was just happy that the situation didn’t ruin Randy’s relationship with the Cubs,

Last I heard Todd has really put his life on track and is doing well. I hope that is the case.

It must have really gotten to Santo having to cover those 2 years as I believe Todd is his Godson.

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by puckishcubsfan on Sep 7, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

No sympathy from me

This is guy who let his off field activities destroy his career and badly hurt his team. To me that is the worst thing a player can do. We get on players for messing up on the field for all sorts of reasons ( lack of talent, focus, hustle etc.) but a player who screws up because of substance abuse and totally screws his talent and his teammates is as bad as it gets.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you have no sympathy for someone battling addiction?

Yes, we all got on Todd Hundley for his poor performance as a Cub. You make it sound like his addiction problems were his fault.

Harsh.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was a drunk and a first class LECH

No I have no sympathy for him and frankly though I would not post it , I lost a lot of respect for Randy too for off field issues. I know you Al have no sympathy for Farnsworth, so how is this different? People who not only ruin their own lives , but those of the their teammates and loved ones are not getting my sympathy. Guys who have serious off field issues not related to drugs and booze I can have sympathy for but not Hundley. I am supposed to forgive his craptastic play because he I presume has not straightened himself out? I sincerely wish him luck, but he will remain at the top of my list of least favorite Cub.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again, you miss the point.

You think, apparently, his off-field problems were his choice. Addiction isn’t a choice.

I’m not going to ask BeerCub to post what he found out here, but clearly there were other issues. Your lack of sympathy is appalling.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Addiction IS a choice

it is also a medical condition but I am not letting every drug addict and drunk off the hook for their actions with they had no choice or free will. I believe Z’s temper is part of personality that he has to work very hard on too change, does not mean you or I give him a pass on it. Farnsworth was a hard drinking, hard living guy who has in fact now settled down as well, does that mean all the stupid things he did as a Cub ( twice breaking his foot by his actions) are now OK?

People seem to have more “sympathy” for people whose off field actions destroy their on field abilities than they do for a player in decline or going through an epic slump.

It is unfortunate that Hundley was drunk who slept around. It is fine that he and his father are now doing better, but he is responsible for his horrific play and even more horrific attitude when he PLAYED for the Cubs. He does not get a pass because he had an addiction.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Addiction is a choice?

We’re done here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You make a choice to start drinking or taking drugs etc

and unlike cancer or heart attacks you can cure yourself. While use of drugs leads to an addiction the initial choice is yours;. Is Todd Hundley really on the same level Jon Lester? Am I supposed to say his crappy play was OK because he had no choice but to drink and cheat? Please tell me why you hate Farnsworth so much but seem to be cutting Hundley a pass. You think Farnsworth was less addicted to drinking and carousing? From what I understand Farnsworth is settled down now with a wife and kids so again is all his behavior with Cubs forgiven because he has now cleaned up his act?

Does any player with a drug and drinking addiction get a free pass for both their on field and off field actions?

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think unless

you are an expert in the addiction field, you should just leave well enough alone.

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by TheRiot Police on Sep 8, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is mental illness?

Certain players in recent history with serious anger issues don’t seem to elicit much sympathy, even when that mental illness has harmed their careers.

by Wreckard on Sep 8, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

When they don't do anything about it and blame others...

… for their problems, you’re right. That doesn’t deserve much sympathy.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you're going to cast aspersions about Randy

You better be able to back it up.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Sep 8, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too judgmental on your part

It was more than just addiction. And since it took two years of camp before Randy and Todd separately would open up about some of it (Randy gets rather emotional about it, justifiably so), out of respect for their privacy I’ll leave out the details, but suffice to say there were other heavy factors at play.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Sep 8, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is unfortunate they both had a rough time

but both of them did very bad things and in Todd’s case it had was very detrimental to his team. I am being labeled as an uncaring person because I refuse to agree that Todd’s on field performance was OK because of his off field issues. Ruining his own life is his problem, helping ruin his team is not. He will likely always be my least favorite Cub.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem to think...

…. that Hundley intentionally performed poorly. I doubt that was the case. I didn’t care for his performance on the field nor his public attitude, at the time.

Eight years later, it appears there may have been extenuating circumstances. It’s long gone from what the Cubs are now; I’m willing to take another look, although I would also grant Todd Hundley his privacy.

Apparently, you hold grudges and don’t understand addiction. That’s a real shame.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Al

For your perspective and keeping a level head on this. I’m grossed out that there can be such ignorance – but worse for some to put it to typed out words. Addiction is a terrible thing that has hurt so many – the fact that some would make light of it or judge it in such a quick and insensitive manner really strikes me to the bone. YUCK.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Sep 8, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again how is this so different from Farnsworth

Is every player with an addiction to be forgiven for the damage they cause because they later stop it? You can wish a player good luck with the rest of his life without saying what he did was understandable because he was an addict. I don’t thing ANY player ( ok maybe Manny) intentionally performs poorly, but you have no problem criticizing, Z, Miles, Farnsworth who had a variety of off field or personality issues that effected their play.

Hundley let down his team ( and his family) with his actions. Being an addict is not a get out of responsibility free card. I have known addicts who have destroyed their lives and in some cases those around them. Some have managed to kick their addictions but the damage they did was permanant. Again it is great if they fix their lives but I don’t have to forgive or forget what they did.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 8, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see how you can possibly compare the two.

Your attitude, really, about this is repulsive.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why not?

Seriously Al you keep saying that. Both were heavy drinkers who slept around. Who is to say Farnsworth
was not addicted to alcohol? He has clearly settled down personally. Does he not deserve credit for cleaning up? Why can’t you afford him the same pass you seem to be giving Hundley for allowing alcohol and personality issues to badly effect his play?

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 9, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

One size fits all, apparently, according to you.

Why can’t you let this go?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 9, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think addiction is a very hard disease to battle.

I haven’t looked at Todd Hundley’s career enough to say whether he battled and tried to end/overcome his addiction, but I will say there are players such as Darryl Strawberry who have continued to know they are harming the team, their families and themselves without making a committment to change it. If a man tries to legitimately get help I can sympathize with him, most everyone battles addiction to some drug in their lives…legal or not. Caffeine, alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs or whatever.

 Z has an emotional problem. He should have tried to get help on his own knowing it was harming the team. He didn’t, and the team enabled him…with him there’s blame to go around everywhere. As I say I don’t know if Todd was with us long enough he could have gotten help but to me the key is if he tries over time. I’d want every player to have a healthy life and career. Some don’t care they are harming the team and should be let go. We’ve gotten awfully close to that point with Z. I hope mgmt takes his situation to learn how to handle players like that in the future.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 9, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Todd Hundley got help after he left the Cubs

Good for him, but I refuse to give him any kind of pass for his behavior when he played for the Cubs. I believe a key factor is overcoming addiction is accepting responsibility and Todd Hundley’s actions were very damaging to the Cubs and I have no sympathy for that. Are people here saying alcoholics and drug addicts get a free pass for their actions because they can’t control themselves, but if they later overcome their addictions we should just be understanding of all the damage they did? I don’t believe that. You can support him in his new clean life without saying his past behavior was in retrospect not really his fault. I continue to find it mind boggling that a player can be attacked for lack of skills, focus, hustle but if in fact they were a crappy player do to an addiction to alcohol or drugs that effected his play, that means you should be understanding and not criticize him or

Z in fact did get help. I find it startling that Z gets no credit at all for spending his entire off season in Chicago working on both his physical & mental issues. Obviously he still needed more help but unlike Hundley he has made a very public effort to acknowledge problems and deal with them while he is playing.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry

by Doggie Stalker on Sep 9, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one ever said

Todd’s on field was ok with anyone. But frankly, you’re rather being an ass when you’ve been told repeatedly there were extenuating circumstances. And you couldn’t be more wrong about addiction. I’ve met and talked to both Hundleys. There’s a LOT you don’t know.

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by BeerCub on Sep 8, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

For your sake, I'm glad dogs can't read...

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by ballhawk on Sep 9, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

So tired

of Soto sitting so much. Surely he can handle catching back to back games.

by Cubsfan Waveland on Sep 7, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

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