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OT: Code Violations - Deconstructing the Nationals-Marlins Brawl

 

On September 1, 2010, Chris Volstad of the Florida Marlins threw a pitch behind Nyjer Morgan of the Washington Nationals, causing Morgan to charge at Volstad and incite a bench-clearing brawl. While relatively little fighting took place, the motivations behind the conflict are fascinating to me.

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History and Background Info

Nyjer Morgan arrived in Washington late in the 2009 season in a trade for chronically under-performing Lastings Milledge. He made an immediate impact by showing good defensive skills and above-average hitting for your typical center-fielder. And then there was his speed. Morgan possesses speed superior to most in Major League Baseball, and he has the stolen base stats to prove it. Many Nationals fans saw him as a fresh, young face around which to build the team in the future.

 

Baseball is not a forgiving sport, however. As lauded as he was at the end of 2009, his performance in 2010 was equally panned – an almost .200 point drop-off in OPS will do that to a guy. Nearing the end of a frustrating season – in terms of both team and individual success – Morgan appeared to be fraying at the edges. He got into a shouting match with fans in Philadelphia, the aftermath of which was a fan being struck in the head by a ball he flung into the stands. MLB handed him a seven-game suspension for this action, which he immediately appealed. To Morgan's credit, the fan who was hit has claimed to hold no ill will toward Morgan.


While appealing his suspension, Morgan was at the center of another attention-grabbing incident, this time versus the Cardinals. Late in the game, Willie Harris of the Nationals stroked a bases-clearing double to break the game open. Morgan was at first and motored around the bases to seemingly score on the play, except he missed home plate and was called out when one of his teammates touched him in the act of directing him back to the plate. The slow-motion replay of the play indicates that Morgan was more interested in hitting catcher Bryan Anderson than he was in touching home to score a run. Morgan defended his actions at the time by saying that he was unsure of where the ball was, but the catcher was blocking the plate, indicating the play was coming home, so he decided to concentrate on dislodging the ball.


As seen in the replay, however, the play had been cut off at first base, and Anderson was stepping away from the plate, conceding it to Morgan, when he was pushed. The replay also makes it quite clear that Morgan was pushing Anderson – his arms fly up in an obvious shoving motion. The push surprised Anderson, dislodged his mitt, and sent him staggering toward the dugout. The Cardinals were livid that a player would disregard home plate in favor of landing a blow on a catcher who was conceding it. Nationals' manager Jim Riggleman appeared to agree with their assessment, commenting to the press that the play was unprofessional and benching Morgan for the next game.


Three days later, Morgan again made contact with a catcher while missing home plate, this time in Florida versus the Marlins. The game situation was decidedly different, however. While Morgan missed scoring the Nationals' 12th run in the late innings versus St. Louis (the Cardinals had 5 runs), this time he failed to score the go-ahead run in the 10th inning. Once again, it appeared that Morgan was concentrating more on colliding with the catcher than on scoring the first run of the game in extra innings. The play did come home this time, and catcher Brett Hayes applied the tag and held onto the ball. And then crumbled to the ground in obvious pain – Morgan's blow had separated his shoulder.


Analyzing the play showed similarities to the play versus the Cardinals: Morgan could have taken a different action, avoided contact, and still scored. Morgan's defense was also the same: that the catcher was standing in a way that indicated a collision to dislodge the ball was his only chance to score. Unfortunately, Brett Hayes' discomfort extended beyond a couple of awkward steps toward a dugout – he would be unable to play again for at least 10 days.

 

The Marlins scored in the bottom of the 10th inning to win the game 1-0.


9/1/2010 – Nationals vs. Marlins

The baseball press was buzzing with the news that Morgan had done it again, missing an easy chance at home plate in order to land a blow on a catcher. During the game the next day, players and coaches on both sides expected the Marlins to retaliate in the name of their fallen comrade, and it did happen, but not immediately.

Nothing happened to Morgan in his first two at-bats, and he made an out both times. By the time he came up a third time, it was the 4th, and the Nationals trailed 14-3. With the game result seemingly decided, Marlins pitcher Chris Volstad enacted revenge for Hayes by delivering a pitch to Morgan's belt. It was an obvious and professional purpose pitch. Morgan dropped his bat and trotted to 1st base, seemingly accepting his punishment. Morgan then proceeded to do what he does so well – he stole 2nd base on the first pitch to the next batter and stole 3rd base 2 pitches later. He would score on a sacrifice fly to cut the Nationals' deficit to 10 runs.

When Morgan next came up to bat in the 6th inning, Volstad immediately delivered another purpose pitch, this time throwing behind Morgan. Home plate umpire Marvin Hudson ejected Volstad, but Morgan responded by flinging his bat away and charging the mound, swinging a fist toward Volstad's face as he neared him. Marlins 1B Gaby Sanchez came running in and clothes-lined Morgan, sending him to the ground. Nationals third-base coach Pat Listach charged and pinned Volstad to the ground while a dog-pile formed on Morgan. The benches cleared and players were restrained to prevent any further altercation. Morgan arose from the bottom of the pile with a torn shirt. He then yelled at and gestured toward the Marlins fans as he exited the field, having also been ejected from the game.  See it here.

The Aftermath

Major League Baseball took the following punitive actions against these individuals for their part in the melee:


Team Name Position Action Taken
WAS Nyjer Morgan CF 8 game suspension
FLA Chris Volstad P 6 game suspension
FLA Alex Sanabia P 5 game suspension
FLA Gaby Sanchez 1B 3 game suspension
WAS Pat Listach Coach 3 game suspension
WAS Doug Slaten P 3 game suspension
WAS Jim Riggleman Manager 2 game suspension
FLA Edwin Rodriguez Manager 1 game suspension and fined
FLA Jose Veras P Fined


Riggleman's extended suspension was due to remarks made to the press regarding the incident.

 

***

With the facts laid out above, I would like to examine the motivations of the various participants more closely, as they relate directly to baseball's fascinating set of unwritten rules. While entire books have been written about The Code (most recently, these two), I will concentrate only on those parts that relate to the Nationals-Marlins game. I will do so by constructing a sort of "karmic ledger" for each of the participants, tracking the "Karma Score" (KS) of each throughout the narrative.

 

While I, as an outside observer, cannot claim to know everything that was going through everybody's heads, I think I can construct a reasonable approximation based on actions taken by and quotations from each of the involved individuals.

 

Nyjer Morgan and the Nationals

Morgan's actions in the week before the fight can be chalked up to frustration with his performance in the 2010 season. His numbers were down, and he knew he was not contributing. His frustration grew when his manager acknowledged his lack of performance by moving him out of the lead-off spot coveted by every baseball speedster. Resentment and heckling by the notoriously unfriendly fans in Philadelphia contributed to his flinging a ball into the stands, resulting in his first suspension.

 

While Morgan appealed the suspension, it added to his frustration, painting him as a weak-willed troublemaker as well as a poor contributor. So Morgan took a lesson from his background as a hockey player. In hockey, if a player isn't performing up to expectations and he is being seen as less than a man, he can always start a fight. His first attempt to do this was with Bryan Anderson of the Cardinals – he obviously wanted to get a good shot in on him. When even that backfired (by his failure to score and the poor press in the aftermath), Morgan felt even more need to prove himself.

 

So he took the next opportunity he was handed. With Hayes blocking the plate, Morgan felt he had a free chance to put a check on his opponent and gain accolades from his teammates and fans. I do not believe that Morgan was trying to seriously injure Hayes; he just wanted Hayes to remember him the next morning. What followed made him look even worse – unnecessarily injuring an opponent is one of the largest violations of The Code there is – and the injury threatened the remainder of Hayes' season, as everyone found out the next day.

 

At that point, Morgan knew he was in for some retribution from the Marlins (Karma Score -10). The nature of these things is that retaliation is dealt at the discretion of the opponent, so he could have no way of knowing when it was coming. During the game, he saw two of his teammates plunked. Although there was no way to know if this was in retaliation for his actions, it still seemed to settle the score slightly (KS -6). When he stepped up for his 3rd plate appearance and was hit by the first pitch, he saw it as piling on, but not completely unexpected (KS +2). He rapidly stole 2nd and 3rd, and that was his small measure of revenge for getting hit (KS 0). He knew quite well that he was incensing the Marlins, but thought it justifiable.

 

When he came up the next time and Volstad threw behind him, he was livid at such an overtly belligerent act – the debt had been paid, after all. So he responded the only way that honor would dictate and charged the mound.

 

Side note about The Code: Throwing behind a man is as nakedly aggressive an action as anyone can take on a baseball diamond. Former pitcher Rob Dibble (in a foreword to Ross Bernstein's "The Code: Baseball's Unwritten Rules and Its Ignore-At-Your-Own-Risk Code of Conduct") gives an explanation:

 

"[Norm Charlton] would throw behind guys, which really made them nuts. I mean, if you ever wanted to see a guy crap himself, throw a 95-MPH fastball behind his ass. He doesn't know what to do. […] The ball comes at you so fast and guys know that if they move back, which is their initial instinct, that they could be dead."

 

Chris Volstad and the Marlins

In mid-August, the Marlins' hopes for the postseason were still alive, but fading, when they got the news that their starting catcher Ronny Paulino was to be suspended 50 games for violating MLB's drug policy. Paulino's numbers weren't terrific, but he was still the backstop for the majority of the season. With his suspension on August 20th, the Marlins promoted Brett Hayes to starter, and called up minor-leaguer Brad Davis to back him up.

 

On August 31st, the Marlins were 7.5 games out of the Wild Card spot, but still fighting. That night, they were involved in a tight battle with the Nationals, a pitchers duel that remained scoreless through 9 innings. When speedy Nyjer Morgan walked with one out, they knew they had to keep a close eye on him – he could be in scoring position in a flash. Distracted by Morgan's presence at 1st, closer Clay Hensley unleashed a wild pitch, and Morgan easily took 2nd. Rattled, Hensley walked Alberto Gonzalez to put men at 1st and 2nd with one out.

 

The next batter, Adam Kennedy, tapped a 2-2 pitch slowly to 2B Emilio Bonifacio. He flipped to SS Hanley Ramirez to start the inning-ending double-play when someone yelled at Ramirez to check Morgan, who was charging around 3rd. Realizing that he wasn't going to throw Kennedy out at 1st, Ramirez triple-clutched and finally threw to Hayes, who held on to record the inning-ending out on Morgan.

 

The next day, the news came back – Morgan's hit, which replays showed to be unnecessary, had sidelined Hayes indefinitely. This punk, with his recent checkered history, had just cost them their 2nd starting catcher in less than a month. They would now be forced to start a guy who had been in AAA not two weeks before. Morgan was definitely going to wear one (Karma Score +10).

 

Because they could take their time to sweat Morgan, the Marlins didn't retaliate immediately. Instead, Volstad kept the Nationals down for a few innings while the Marlins piled on the runs. A couple of hit batsmen in the early innings could be construed as honest mistakes – both times were in one-out, one-on situations, after all. And besides, this was turning into a laugher. Up by 11 in the 4th, Volstad saw no reason not to remind Morgan that they still had business together.

 

My interpretation of the Marlins' thinking: "Nice and easy, right where it isn't going to hurt too much – see? No need to make a fuss. Don't get cute, and we're all cool." (KS +2)

 

"You're running? On the first pitch? On our third-string catcher? Who doesn't have a hope in hell of throwing you out? I dunno...maybe if we had our second-string catcher in there, he coulda got you, but we don't. Gee, wonder why that is? Oh, because of you! That's right!" (KS +7)

 

"Running again? Really? You're going down..." (KS +12)

 

Side note on The Code: A "blow-out" in baseball is defined differently by different generations of ballplayers, but none of them would characterize an 11-run game as anything else. Stealing in a blow-out is frowned upon. If you are the team with the lead, it's seen as piling on, meaning you have no respect for the competition. If you are the trailing team, it's seen as putting players in unnecessary jeopardy (stealing can be dangerous) and needlessly prolonging the misery.

 

The discrepancies in perception are telling in this case. Tensions were obviously high going into the game, but the Nationals saw a couple of hit batsman and decided that the Marlins' ire was somewhat sated. Even then, hitting Morgan was seen as acceptable because he was the one with whom they were really mad. In their eyes, things were over, or pretty close to it. Morgan's stolen bases were not that big a deal because, hey, a couple of other guys got plunked, and he does steal bases, y'know.

 

The Marlins, on the other hand, were really only out for Morgan. They saw the earlier hit batsmen not as casualties but as honest mistakes. It was obvious (to the Marlins) that neither the Nats' catcher nor their 3rd baseman were involved in Morgan's idiocy, so why should the Nats think that they were after the entire team?

 

The truth of the matter, of course, lies somewhere between these two views. The Code is about respect: respect for the game, respect for one's teammates, and respect for one's opponents. Nyjer Morgan violated The Code in a truly egregious way, but he did so as a representative of the Washington Nationals. The Marlins violated the Code in their own way: By their insistence on harassing Morgan, they disrespected the rest of the Nationals by making the assumption that they wouldn't stick up for their teammate.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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A great post,,,

…Although you may mean that it’s to that Philly fan’s credit, rather than Morgan’s, that the fan bears no ill will. While the Marlins’ actions seem entirely appropriate, you do an excellent job of making the case for the Nationals defense of Morgan.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

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by ernaga on Sep 8, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it's to both of their credit, honestly

While researching this, I read this article, describing the anonymous fan’s feelings about the incident, and there seemed to be less reason to believe that Morgan was being malicious. And just now while I was searching for that article again, I came across this piece with quotes from another fan that seem to exonerate Morgan, as well. If any more negative evidence arises (especially if anyone has film of the throw), I will edit the article to remove any mention of the incident.

And thank you for the kind words on my presentation of the Nats’ side. Credit ballhawk for that. If you had read the dialog we had on this subject, you’d know that I initially sided with the Marlins on this one (and that’s not easy for a Cubs/Braves fan!), but his defense of Morgan’s actions led me to read more articles and comments from the DC side of things. It seemed a lot less cut-and-dried then, and I felt both sides needed telling in one piece.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have one question

Is there a rule saying that stolen bases are no longer an option when the score gets to a certain level? If so, please cite it in the rulebook.

Screw unwritten rules. Screw them until they cry. I hate them.

You don’t want a man stealing? Throw him out.

You hear so much about the “right way” to play.

Here’s how you can tell if you played the game “the right way”

At the end of the game, look up at the scoreboard. If the number next to your team is bigger than the number next to the other team, you played the right way.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not going to be as harsh as Worf.

But I do agree with the concept that if you are down, you try however you can to get back into the game. Morgan is a one-dimensional player. His dimension = speed. Like Worf says, if you don’t want him stealing, throw him out. Morgan led the league in CS last year and he’s leading this year — so teams can do that.

Throwing behind him is childish.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite part is Clutch's comments about the Marlins

thoughts about running on a third-string catcher, who doesn’t have a hope of throwing him out.

I am reminded of Clint Eastwood in “Unforgiven”

Sheriff: “You just shot an unarmed man”
Clint: “Well, he should have armed himself.”

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I tried to address Morgan's speed and stealing ability

A useful comparison here is Rickey Henderson. Rickey’s game revolved around base-stealing to such a degree that he simply could not understand why anyone would take offense to it. It took the American League many years to figure out that his intentions when stealing never had anything to do with showing them up, that it was in fact just Rickey being Rickey.

Like Morgan, Rickey led the majors in CS in his early years. Unlike Morgan, Rickey didn’t have a malicious thought in his mind when running the bases.

As for stealing when you’re down huge, Jason Turbow mentions in his book the Mariners-Indians game on August 5, 2001. The M’s held a twelve-run lead at the 7th inning stretch, but Cleveland stormed back to tie (3 in the 7th, 4 in the 8th, and 5 in the 9th) and eventually won in 11.

He also mentioned that this was only the third time in major-league history that a team had come back from a dozen down and gone on to win, and the first time it had happened in over seven decades.

I’ve been trying like heck to get B-R to spit out a list of games where a team has rallied to win after trailing by 11+, with no success thus far. Judging from the 12-run number, I’d guess that I still wouldn’t have to take off my shoes to count ’em all.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looked through the Game Log there

Attempted steals by the Phillies: 0 Same with the Mariners-Indians game above.

Was Mike Schmidt known as a Cub-killer before that game?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Just because there weren’t any attempted steals, doesn’t mean there wouldn’t have been if a Nyjer Morgan type of player had been on one of the teams.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's look at this from a different angle

In that game situation, down by 11 in the 4th, do you believe that Nyjer Morgan would have been stealing 2nd and 3rd had he not gained 1st base via a purpose pitch? If he had singled or taken a base on balls, would he be looking for the extra base in that situation?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe.

Remember again — Morgan is a one-dimensional player. He gets on base, he steals. That’s what he does.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not 3rd base

But I don’t have a real problem with a guy who basically says, “If you hit me, I’m going for a double or a triple, so maybe you should think twice about hitting me.”

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was basically saying,

I’m more of a man than you and don’t you dare question why I do something. He had no intention of helping his team. He was trying to show the Nats they couldn’t punk him, he was better than all of them. Riggleman said himself, he said he was glad Nyjer had stolen those bases because of all that Nyjer had to put up with from the Marlins. He had spoken to Nyjer after it had happened. It is clear Nyjer did it to get back at the Marlins only, not to score a meaningless run. If you think he was trying to show anything besides I’m right and I’m more of a man or player than you, go back and listen to Riggleman’s comments.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I don't have a problem with a guy doing that

Again, if the message is, “You hit me and I’m going to try to get in scoring position” then I don’t have a problem with that.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay...I did have a problem with that, given the actions he

was responsible for earlier. But this is a much different argument here and of course my opinion could be wrong lol.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

But this is how many people WANT ballplayers to handle it

Instead of charging the mound.

The great Don Baylor story is this: Whenever he was hit, he would take every opportunity to take out the second baseman or shortstop with a slide.

One time, the second baseman asked him why. He said. “Ask your pitcher.”

My view is this: If you throw at a guy, no matter how justified you think you are, you really have no call to complain about what he does next.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I simply disagree...

Because the ball in the tuckus was punishment for hurting the catcher. If they had thrown at him because he had been scoring runs or just because he stared too long at a homer, silly reasons like that pitchers use, then yeah you have no right to complain. But Nyjer separated the catcher’s shoulder when sliding would have scored the run. He knew it was coming and didn’t react because of it. That’s where it should have ended for everyone.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it was the Marlins' fault it continued

Unless someone went and made stealing bases illegal

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

well I disagree with you there but completely agree that the Marlins should have ignored it.

By the way, I’m looking for a new avatar…any suggestions that are printable?

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

This stuff gets my blood boiling

Grown men using pitched baseballs as weapons over silly little slights and “unwritten rules”

Write them down then.

Go with Elmo or Big BIrd.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that injury or attempted injury are

pretty much the only good reasons to plunk a guy. I hear peeps like Pujols saying a batter stares too long and he’ll get his…very silly. Grown men should as you say be able to handle a batter scoring runs or watching a homer leave the park without throwing at him after.

I gotta leave for the night but I’ll try to write them down. Elmo does sound like an apt character for the Cubs season. Thanks for the suggestions.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's part of the problem right there

In general, players prefer to settle disputes on the diamond directly. If Morgan was an infielder, he’d have been spiked waaay before the 4th (the fish sent enough guys around the bases, after all), and that would have been the end of it. With Morgan playing CF, the only way the Marlins could retaliate was via purpose pitch, which tends to cause some hard feelings.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look, I do not have a problem with the beanball for the catcher takeout

My beef all along has been over the silly notion that you can’t steal bases while DOWN 11 runs.

I get that most unwritten rules boil down to “Don’t be a dick” Stealing with a big lead, swinging at 3-0 with a big lead, intentionally walking a guy for no reason other than to keep him from a milestone, showing up the pitcher or batter with excessive taunts… I get it.

I still fail to grasp how stealing while DOWN 11 runs is a dick move.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 9, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because it makes no difference to the outcome of the game

It makes a player look like a selfish stat-padder and prolongs a contest that’s already decided.

Here’s the Win% graph for the game. Note that the first plunking and stolen bases took place in the top of the 4th.

That dip from 99.5% to 99.2% really helped, didn’t it?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH COME ON

No one on either side of this fracas was consulting a damn graph.

If the losing team is supposed to quit playing, then just put in a mercy rule and refund tickets.

Otherwise, you keep trying. It’s not that tough a concept.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 9, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine, forget the graph

Stat-padding is looked at as selfish, no matter what the game is. Stealing in a blowout is stat-padding. Happy?

I’ll remind you that you’re arguing against history, here. Morgan’s stolen bases and eventual run scored did in fact make absolutely no difference in who won or lost the game. Absent ticking off the Marlins, why shouldn’t he have stolen? Because he was selfishly padding his stats, unnecessarily prolonging the misery for his teammates, and making no difference in who actually won the game. If that last part isn’t bad baseball, then I’d hate to know what you think does.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I've said all along...

that the last consideration — is it smart baseball — is all I care about.

The Marlins have no reason to be ticked.

You don’t want a guy paddng his stats? THROW HIM OUT! OR DON’T PUT HIM ON TO BEGIN WITH!

I am so very tired of thin-skinned little punks babbling about being shown up.

You know how you show up an opponent? You beat them. The Marlins were ahead 14-3 and still worried about being shown up.

That’s a Marlins problem, not a Morgan problem.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 9, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not how Joe remembers it.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 21, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well yes...

but stealing bases , especially 3rd being 11 runs down is hardly the way to win a game. You might score a run yes…but you lower your chances of scoring more than one run. And besides Riggleman’s comments show it was exactly Nyjer getting back at the Marlins.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is a fair point

I’ve said all along that I’m not sure stealing in this situation is a smart baseball move.

I’m just saying it shouldn’t be a code violation. Of course, my code basically boils down to “Just win, baby” so there you go.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 9, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me the whole thing boiled down to

a spoiled brat proving his manhood got a classless organization to respond at the same level he operates on.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 13, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't think stealing when you're down and out is against the code

I don’t think that’s a code violation. Not like stealing a base when you are UP 14-2. No, that was just 1 guy (Morgan) pissed at getting hit, and another guy (Volstad) pissed that he didn’t get the message.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The general rule is that aggressiveness on the basepaths is frowned upon in blowouts

If you wanted to make the case that stealing when trailing in a blowout is breaking an unwritten rule, you could say it’s unnecessarily prolonging a game for the purposes of stat-padding. I purposely avoided that interpretation of Morgan’s actions (even though a couple of Marlins mentioned it after the game) because I don’t believe that motivation factored into his decision-making.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you just don't hear about that side of the blow-out

The broadcaster talk is “Don’t steal when you’re way ahead. The code says…”

But when you’re down in a blow-out, the thinking is “Get on base. Don’t waste outs. Maybe we can get a big inning and get close.”

I can understand not wanting to get in the head of Nyjer Morgan…

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is one question... and one question only that needs to be answered

was it a smart baseball move?

I can see the case that you shouldn’t steal down 11 runs because you are risking an out when every out is precious, that it is smarter to play station to station and hope for a couple of big blasts to get you closer.

But I can also make the case that you want to rattle a pitcher and throw off a defense. Remember, in a blowout, the pitcher wants balls hit to defenders. If you can throw off the defenders, so much the better.

Or you can make the pitcher waste throws and maybe get into a bullpen, which no team leading by 11 wants to have to do. At the very least, you can affect the next day’s game.

I can also see wanting to send a message that basically says, “If you hit me, then I’m getting at least a double out of it. Don’t hit me.”

The Marlins had a beef with the takeout slide/intentional collision. They are just whining punks over the stolen bases.

And as Al said, this is what the guy does.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wish I could answer you with what actually happened in the game

But everything I know of this game comes from replays of the key moments and written reports and comments afterward. I’ve read conflicting reports of whether Volstad made an attempt to hold Morgan on first, but the fact remains that Davis attempted to throw him out at 2nd and 3rd. Those were SBs, not defensive indifference.

As for smart baseball, Volstad was still the guy pitching in the 6th who smoked one behind Morgan. If the Nats’ intent was to knock him out of the game early, I guess you could call it a Pyrrhic victory.

And as for rattling him in the 4th, Morgan was the only baserunner the Nats had in the 4th inning when he was plunked.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've read that Volstad was holding him on

and even if they weren’t, who cares? That’s their fault for not holding him on.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It actually makes a difference

Because it’s rare for players to steal in blowouts, opposing teams will generally not attempt to hold them on. It’s a gentlemen’s agreement – “We agree not to prolong your misery any longer than necessary by throwing to 1st, and you agree to put until a ball’s in play.” I’m sorry if that offends you for being an unwritten rule, but that’s how it normally plays out.

If Volstad was holding him near first, you can say that the Marlins saw it coming. A case could be made that they were goading him into the steal attempt. Let me check Gameday’s log of the events, and I’ll revisit this.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, they were goading him to steal

so they could later throw at him for stealing?

I wish Morgan would have taken the bat with him when he charged the mound.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's the rub

What’s the point in throwing at a guy who steals on you when you thought he was gonna steal on you? Any defense the Marlins could give for their actions crumbles in the face of that.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

So long as we're babbling about unwritten rules

I always thought that had to do with the fifth inning or sixth or something.

As in, “Don’t steal with a big lead after the fifth”

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a reason they don't write these things down

It really is situational. Fifty years ago, a big lead was 5+ runs. Nobody would look twice at a guy who stole bases while down by 5 today, even in the 9th inning. But once a lead gets to double-digits, the outcome of the game is certain in over 99% of the cases. It could be the 2nd inning, and people would still look askance at a guy stealing while trailing by 11. What’s the point, aside from stat-padding or disrespecting the opposition?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about

The fans paid good money to watch a game and for one team to “give up’” is basically fraud?

Or…

99 percent of the time, the game is over. Let’s try to be a 1-percenter!

Otherwise, just put in a damn mercy rule.

Look, the Marlins were going to go after this guy. He could have stayed put. He could have stolen. He could have done anything and they would have come up with an excuse, which is why I put 98 percent of the blame on them.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I firmly believe that the whole thing would have been over if he hadn’t stolen both bases. It might have even been over had he just stolen 2nd, especially if it wasn’t on the first pitch after the plunking. Stealing 2nd on the first pitch was showing them up. Stealing 3rd was rubbing their nose in it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

THEY WERE UP 14-3!!!!!!

And they are worried about their noses???

This is one more piece of evidence that the Marlins are a bush organization.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 9, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That may be the case, too

But it would be hard for any team to just ignore it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't agree with you about them going after Nyjer.

They already hit him, had the game won. They didn’t plunk him again until he stole the bases. I don’t see how you could assume they would have done it without the bases being stolen. Which doesn’t make it right to throw at him, but I do believe it was the reason it happened.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 9, 2010 3:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gameday is inconclusive

It doesn’t appear as though it keeps records of pick-off attempts after the game (or maybe inning) has ended.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 8, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your eloquence here does not change the fact that there are a lot more questions

to be answered than your loquacious statement.

Assuming Nyjer freaking Morgan had an intelligent thought process beyond “they punked me, I’ll show them” is giving him far too much credit. Every reaction he had from the Philly game onward was simply a reaction towards the opposing team and nothing more. He was upset at his season and found targets to let his frustration out upon.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

But was it a smart baseball move

You can make smart moves for stupid reasons.

My point is that i do not give one glop of rabbit feces whether it violates some unwritten code cooked up by a bunch of juvenile ballplayers who are trying to attach deep meaning to the fact that they play a game with mittens and sticks.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm...

Don’t really agree it was a smart move for Nyjer but I do agree it was also a dumb move to throw at Nyjer the second time as a result of it.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please cite in the rulebook where that rule is written down

if you can’t, then it doesn’t exist

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree that the Marlins throwing at him

was the wrong move. They had already plunked him, their catcher was already gone. They only hurt themselves for the rest of the season. I guess I just like seeing a headcase acting like a punk get plunked…as Riggleman said after the Stl game, “very unprofessional and he deserved to get hit which is why I sat him the next game”. But the Marlins overreacted at the end.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

further eveidence you never played the game

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 11, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least I played some ball, clearly you never did

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Sep 14, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh-huh

you’re a fraud and a faker and a loser. A frakerser.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 14, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

It'll cost you.

I’m thinking a bag of cheetohs and an energy drink…

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 21, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

A bunch of spoiled...

…rich babies who forgot how to play baseball if you ask me.

by TheHawkRules on Sep 8, 2010 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Plenty of blame to go around here.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, Marlins and Nationals players rich?

Not usually. Maybe they make more than us, but I’d be surprised if less than half were making league minimum.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Sep 9, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Plays that make half a million...

… and are treated in such luxury as ALL major league players are…

Yeah, I’ll count them both as rich and spoiled.

by TheHawkRules on Sep 9, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

You go do what they do with that level of proficiency

And I’ll give you $400k/year myself.

But you don’t, so you don’t get to complain that people who generate so much revenue for their ballclubs get compensated fairly for it.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Sep 9, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter WHAT they do...

… while in college I worked with the biggest corporation in the world. It makes more money a year than the yanks/redsox/cubs combined. I got paid crap.

It doesn’t change the fact that these guys are “rich”

Grow up. I can complain about what I want. It’s a free country “nobodyspecial.”

Oh, to give you back some of your medicine. You can’t complain about my complaints. Why? No real logical reason. You just can’t do it.

Whatever man.

by TheHawkRules on Sep 9, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh
… while in college I worked with the biggest corporation in the world. It makes more money a year than the yanks/redsox/cubs combined. I got paid crap.

We haven’t established that you were one of the best 900 or so in your field, like pro ball players are. Therefore comparing your salary to their salary is ridiculous. Equally ridiculous is the fact that ‘you got paid crap’. Perhaps if you unionized like baseball, you could have made a fair wage while working for them.

Otherwise, save your temper tantrums for when they’re most useful.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Sep 10, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Both of you.

Knock it off.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Sep 10, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post!

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You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
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by lexmarklover on Sep 8, 2010 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for breaking it down, Clutch.

I liked some of the background about the participants in it I didn’t know about. I’ve not liked the Marlins organization because of their history with us, their classless front office, and this doesn’t exactly help things. Morgan might learn from this, but in this day and age, probably not anytime soon. I do think this is a clear example on both sides of how not to handle problems or hotheads.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 9, 2010 3:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Wonder if it was the steal of 3rd that really got the Marlins?

Get plunked, steal 2nd to get in scoring postion, no big deal. But then stealing 3rd is rubbing it in, especially since it was Morgan’s bush-league play that put the 3rd string catcher behind the plate. The 3rd baseman should really have stepped on him that play.

And why didn’t Riggelman bench Morgan after the play the game before? He made a gross mental error that cost his team the game.

by ClarkFan on Sep 9, 2010 9:27 AM CDT reply actions  

If stealing 3rd really bothered him

Volstad should have made a “pickoff attempt” and fired one over Morgan’s head and let him score. Basically saying, Keep it up, a-hole, and enjoy your run.

Or, you know, he could have just left him stranded at 3rd, like a good pitcher should.

"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella

by PacificCub on Sep 9, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Riggleman benched him after the Anderson play

Because it was obvious that Anderson was conceding the plate. There was no gray area there – if Morgan had aimed a foot for the plate, he would have scored. And if you isolate the incident, Morgan hitting Hayes makes him look far less like a villain than him hitting Anderson.

As a player is approaching the plate, they have to make a decision to slide or collide. Morgan stated that when he reached the point where that decision had to be made, Hayes was still straddling the plate and looked to be ready to receive the ball, so he went with “collide”. If you take away Morgan’s actions in Philadelphia and his hit on Anderson, and add in an apology for injuring Hayes, this becomes a non-incident.

Also, as I said earlier: I’ll say this in Morgan’s defense – Hanley Ramirez did his catcher no favors by thinking 1B first and then bunny-hopping his way around to finally throw home. You have a speedy guy in scoring position, one out, and a possible, but not probable double-play ball hit to the right side. You gotta know that guy is gonna go for home. If the ball scoots though, he scores. If the runner beats the throw to 1B, he scores. There is no way he’s not gonna try for it, so why not look for it first? I understand that the first instinct is to try and turn the DP, but that should have gone out the window when he saw how slowly the play was developing. Instead, he hung Hayes out to dry, letting him stand there straddling the plate long enough to make Morgan’s hammer shot look somewhat legit.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would you recommend the book "The Code"?

I just looked and found that my husband has it in his baseball book collection. Debating whether or not to add it to the huge stack of books I want to read this winter.

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I don't care if I NEVER get back ♪♫ Jack Norworth and Albert Von Tilzer

by katie casey on Sep 9, 2010 4:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Throw it in there

The book is a little Twins-centric, but the author makes no effort to hide the fact that he’s a Twins fan. It also appears as though that was the organization that provided the most access for him, so he went with it.

If you’re interested in this stuff at all, I recommend both books to which I linked (“The Code” and “The Baseball Codes”). Obviously, they cover a lot of the same ground, but give different anecdotal examples as illustration, so each offers a slightly different perspective, one of which may make more sense than the other.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 9, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks

I’ll add it to the pile.

♪♫ Take me out WITH the crowd.
Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack,
I don't care if I NEVER get back ♪♫ Jack Norworth and Albert Von Tilzer

by katie casey on Sep 9, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You play to win the game

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou

by Ace Venom on Sep 10, 2010 12:07 AM CDT reply actions  

You should play to win the game.

I don’t think that was what either team had in mind once the score had the Marlins 11 runs ahead…and if you don’t believe that, check out Riggleman’s press conference the day after this incident. Both were looking for vindication and retribution once the game was out of reach.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 13, 2010 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morgan Ensberg

disagrees with you.

Ensberg says that there is no such rule that you can’t steal bases down 11 runs, only when up 11 runs. He says that of Hayes didn’t want to get run over, he shouldn’t have been blocking the plate. He also says Morgan was right to charge the mound and that the Marlins were in the wrong.

He does hammer Nyjer Morgan for his display to the fans after the fight, which he calls disrespectful because it called attention to himself over the team.

But that just goes to show that the “Code” is not interpreted the same way by all ballplayers.

I’m kinda surprised with how well you researched this you didn’t even check out Morgan Ensberg’s comments, or if you did, that you didn’t even address them.

I urge everyone who reads this diary to then read Ensberg’s comments as a counterpoint.

by Josh Timmers on Sep 12, 2010 1:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Ensberg's article came out slightly after I was finished doing the lion's share of research for this

He does not mention Morgan’s actions vs. Bryan Anderson, something that happened only three days before he blew up Hayes. If you discount that, then he is absolutely correct: Hayes was blocking the plate and Ramirez hung him out to dry by doing that little bunny-hop before throwing home. Morgan would indeed have been guilty of nothing, aside from making a poor slide/collide decision.

I believe that Ensberg is making a mistake by not discussing Morgan’s history here. He may be doing so unintentionally (he might not know about it) but that act is fundamental to understanding why the Marlins reacted the way they did. If the guy who nailed Hayes had been anyone who hadn’t done something amazingly similar three days before, nothing would have come of it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 12, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have responded to Mr. Ensberg on his blog

My response can be found here, but it doesn’t really contain any information which cannot be found in my original article above.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 12, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is my problem with your analysis

Because I don’t accept that Nyjer Morgan should not have been allowed to steal second and third in that situation but Juan Pierre would be allowed. It’s starts with the assumption “See, we know that Nyjer Morgan is a bad guy, so we have to interpret his actions differently than Pierre.” I think that leads to massive trouble because frankly, we don’t know that much about Nyjer Morgan except what he does on the field. And we certainly don’t know what’s going on in his head.

I think it’s dangerous if the Florida Marlins take it upon themselves to determine that Nyjer Morgan is a bad guy and that they’re going to teach him a lesson. As Ensberg says, it’s especially cowardly to throw behind a batter, since a player’s natural instinct is to go backwards.

You pile on by calling him a “punk.” The funny thing is that you present this as a kind of rational breakdown of the situation, but you betray your biases by saying he’s a “punk.”

by Josh Timmers on Sep 12, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I only called Morgan a punk

In my interpretation of the Marlins’ view of the situation, and I did so because I believe that is exactly the way they were viewing him. Do you think that in reviewing game film for the upcoming series vs. the Nationals that the Marlins coaching staff didn’t see the play versus Anderson? Remember, the Anderson incident was the last game that Morgan played in before facing the Marlins; he sat the last game of the Cards series because of it, so that was the last thing they could review before facing him. I think they saw it, someone said “Isn’t he also appealing a suspension?”, and the word went out to keep an eye on this guy because he’s been acting out of line recently.

There are all sorts of angles to this, which is why I’m so fascinated by it. If I truly believed that Morgan was 100% wrong and the Marlins were 100% right, I’d have stopped thinking about it after a couple of rounds with ballhawk.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Sep 13, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm biased and I'll admit it.

You look at everything he has done this year and yeah, Morgan has acted like a punk throughout. Thinking he had deep meaning and a love for the game or passion to win…something beyond his nose out of joint is imaginary.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 13, 2010 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

But stealing while DOWN 11 runs should not be used as evidence of his jerkdom.

"It's all in the game, yo"

by Worf on Sep 13, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

He firmly established his jerkdom long before that happened. If he keeps going he can reach TO status in no time.

Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10

by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 21, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

One last note on the whole mess

Nyjer Morgan successfully appealed the 7-game suspension from the incident in Philadelphia. but was made to serve an 8-game suspension for his actions in Florida. He must also pay a fine.
Source

The suspension began on September 17 and will finish on September 24, leaving Morgan available to play in Nationals’ last 8 games of the season.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

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