Cubs, Silva Have Uninteresting Loss In Front Of Disinterested Crowd
by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 8:00 AM CDT
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PrintLast March, the Cubs signed an 18-year-old Korean named Jim-Young Kim, a righthanded pitcher. According to this cubs.com article, he had a bullpen session at Wrigley Field last night in front of Larry Rothschild and will be heading off to instructional league this fall.
The article also notes that Kim's uncle is the assistant pastor at Hebron Korean Church. About 1,400 congregants from the church in this small town near the Illinois-Wisconsin line made the trip to Wrigley Field last night to watch Kim's bullpen session and stayed for the game.
I say "stayed for the game" because a large number of these people wound up in our part of the bleachers during the game last night. They didn't actually watch the game -- not one of them. Standing, yakking, laughing, but not paying the least bit of attention to the Cubs' 7-3 loss to the Astros, despite repeated entreaties from crowd control to, at the very least, sit down so others could watch.
Not that there was much worth watching. The Cubs and Carlos Silva, just back off the DL, gave up a run in the first inning and then took the lead back 2-1 in the bottom of the inning. That was the extent of any Cub participation in actually looking like they could come back and win the game.
In the second inning, Houston's Brett Wallace hit his first major league home run into the shrubbery in center field and that started a hit parade that made it 4-2 Astros. The Cubs cut it to 4-3 in the third, but that was as close as it got. As Houston extended their lead to 6-3 off Silva -- who didn't pitch all that badly, considering a month of rust -- and then to 7-3 off Scott Maine, the main entertainment on a windy night was wondering whether Michael Bourn would hit for the cycle.
Bourn had led off the game with a triple, then doubled and singled and had two more chances. Those resulted in a sacrifice fly for the final Houston run and a strikeout. We almost got to see something extremely rare over the last four years -- a three-inning Cubs relief appearance. Thomas Diamond threw two perfect innings and was probably going to be allowed to finish the game, except Brian Bogusevic, leading off the ninth, reached on catcher's interference. That brought Mike Quade out, and James Russell finished up. Quade strides quickly out of the dugout in a purposeful walk to the mound; you know he's made up his mind before he even gets there.
Brad Snyder made his major league debut as a pinch-hitter for Maine after 845 minor league games and 3500 minor league plate appearances; he hit 124 home runs in eight minor league seasons. Astros reliever Tim Byrdak struck him out. Speaking of Byrdak, as a lefthander he had not been permitted, in five previous appearances vs. the Cubs this year, to face Marlon Byrd. Last night, with both teams far out of contention, Astros manager Brad Mills allowed the first Byrd vs. Byrdak confrontation, which resulted in a fly ball to center field.
About 300 or so gathered at the corner of Addison & Sheffield before the game to watch the unveiling of the statue honoring Cubs Hall of Famer Billy Williams. Here's a view I took from inside the ballpark; that's Ron Santo at the podium speaking. Here's more on the statue including some video.
Finally, although last night's crowd was announced as 31,596 paid, there couldn't have been half that many inside the park, including the 1,400 Koreans. That makes the season total 2,807,294, which means the Cubs must average 27,529 over the seven remaining dates to draw three million. That seems likely with the Cardinals coming to town to end the home season, but there won't be even 15,000 in the ballpark tonight, on a cool night with no ceremony and no young phenom Asian pitcher to watch.
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Were the bleachers full?
I thought there were a lot of empty seats in the bleachers the past few weeks. I know you have a spot you like to sit, Al, but maybe it would have been easier just to move away from the group?
Why should I leave the seat I've sat in for more than four years?
The bleachers were about half full, with all those people. It will be emptier tonight.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think maybe because it's easier for a couple of people to move
than to move an entire group of people with no interest in the game. And it’s not like your seat is numbered or anything. Although last night would have been boring and ugly from any vantage point.
Well...
… they weren’t bad people, just totally uninterested in watching the game. Not sure why they even bothered staying after they watched the kid pitcher throw.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Have you noticed fewer ushers?
The ones in light blue shirts? There were none at our ramp on Sunday and there’s usually at least one keeping the aisles clear. They needed one because there was a pretty big group partying near the elevator, clogging the main concourse at the top of the lower deck.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Yes.
In general, when they expect smaller crowds and after schools are back in session (many teachers and students take these jobs), there are fewer crowd control working.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right. This was Sunday when it was pretty crowded, though. We found it curious.
They needed someone up there.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Almost every usher available showed up on Monday
because they were getting time and a half.
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Sep 8, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Waaaah! I hate it when chatty Koreans ruins the game for me! What? No, I'm not pouting!
I’m much more interested to read what you have to say, Al, when it doesn’t involve you sounding like my mom. It’s a huge turn off and I don’t want to have to find another site to read about the failures of the Cubs.
Yes'm
by OrangeGore on Sep 8, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
There wasn't a whole lot to say about the game itself.
I guess I could have posted a blank recap. But then you wouldn’t have had anything to read at all.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well I thought it was interesting,
partially because I live so close to Hebron. I also found it cool that so many people went when it sounds obvious that they were there only to see him and show their support.
♪♫ Take me out WITH the crowd.
Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack,
I don't care if I NEVER get back ♪♫ Jack Norworth and Albert Von Tilzer
THAT
is an excellent point, hehe. I would much rather read this recap than no recap!
Personally, I choose to read Al's recaps
rather than going to Cubs.com, etc. because of the way he tells it. I love hearing his point of view as a fan in the stands which includes what is going on in his surroundings. It helps me picture what it was like being there. I enjoy it in the way I enjoy listening to Pat Hughes describe the Astros uniforms as chimney brick red with salmon colored numbers.
♪♫ Take me out WITH the crowd.
Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack,
I don't care if I NEVER get back ♪♫ Jack Norworth and Albert Von Tilzer
by katie casey on Sep 8, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Now that you mention it, I don’t really read any other recaps either. I hadn’t made a conscious decision to avoid others, but I’ve certainly developed a routine of going here to read them and not anywhere else…unless I’m looking for post-game quotes from the players/coaches.
So, yeah, thanks for for doing these Al…even after poorly played, meaningless, September games!
I agree.
I like what Al has to say almost all of the time ABOUT THE CUBS, but complaining about something so subjective and personal on this site (that doesn’t enlighten his readership in regard to the CUBS), read by thousands, is not something I want to read.
Yes'm
It is his site
so he can write whatever he feels like. Don’t like what he writes find your information some where else. I don’t like reading your whining either.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
You don't.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Isn't a blog supposed to be "subjective" and "personal"?
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If it's not supposed to be ...
it certainly is something that’s common and accepted.
Yes I think so.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Same here katie.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Oh please
you are getting paid to write these recaps. If you don’t do it, they can find someone else who will. Don’t flatter yourself.
Thanks for the snark.
I was clearly joking. Nice attitude.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
hehehe...
I like your recaps. I like reading about things from a fan’s view, instead of a suit. Some people act like they have to read everything posted.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Except some really
love to snark Al. It’s part of mic’s history on here.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I'm sure Al doesn't take it personally...
people like to get at whoever is in charge of things.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
But the point is
there is no reason to only come here to snark at Al constantly. That’s all he does.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
This.
must make him feel witty.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how you do it every game Al...
They should be paying you to watch and report on a team this bad. Disinterested is a word you could use to describe this whole team since May… when we were getting swept by the Pirates.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Amen to that.
If they don’t like reading it, well…don’t read it . I find it interesting to read which is not very easy these days.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
these guys know better how to run a website than Al
isn’t that obvious
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's always easy to complain rather than actually run a blog
and have to do it yourself. Then you have to take all the time to run it and wow, now look at all the critics you have to make happy. Not an easy thing to do.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
the thing that amuses me
is why come back three times to comment. If I sincerely had an issue with something someone was saying I might comment, but to repeat it. How do these people have that much time on their hands during the week?
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
It doesn't take a lot of effort to make a few posts
It does take a lot of effort to run a blog with so many differing viewpoints and people like himself taking shots just to do so. Which is why he won’t ever do anything but snark.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Another legendary Cub’s “night” ruined by an opportunistic promotions department.
If you can’t do something like this on a weekend, then what’s the point? Even in good times, the crowds for night games are late-arriving.
by bourbon_and_branch on Sep 8, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions
The crowd outside was actually larger than I expected...
… given that it was a Tuesday night, with a bad team playing, a non-marquee opponent, and it being held while people were still coming home from work. They had a nice gathering outside for the ceremony.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm mad at myself for not going now.
I didn’t because I am going tonight and I knew I’d be exhausted the rest of the week if I went to two games in a row. But it would have been worth it. Dang. What was I thinking? I ♥ Billy Williams.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Which is exactly why they should have honored Billy on the weekend for more people.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't think this was worthy of fanpost
But I am curious, how guys have hit their first HR this year against the Cubs? It seems like a lot.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
how did Tyler colvin know
Right away he would want the Homerun ball? Normmaly it would have been tossed back into the bleachers.
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 8, 2010 12:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you kidding?
Cubs players know better than to toss an opponent’s HR ball into the bleachers.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Are you looking for guys who have hit their first *career* HR vs. 2010 Cubs pitching?
Or their first 2010 HR vs. Cubs pitching?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If the former, here's your list
Jason Heyward, ATL: Homered on April 5 off of Carlos Zambrano in first MLB AB in Atlanta.
Neil Walker, PIT: Homered on June 1 off of Ted Lilly in Pittsburgh.
Chris Johnson, HOU: Homered on July 19 off of Justin Berg in Wrigley.
Steve Hill, STL: Homered on August 15 off of Marcos Mateo in St. Louis in MLB debut. Only MLB HR to date.
Chris Valaika, CIN: Homered on August 27 off of Tom Gorzelanny in Cincinnati. Only MLB HR to date.
Ruben Tejada, NYM: Homered on September 5 off of Marcos Mateo in Wrigley. Only MLB HR to date.
Brett Wallace, HOU: Homered on September 7 off of Carlos Silva in Wrigley. Only MLB HR to date.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Thanks
That is exactly what I was wondering. I wonder if the Cubs lead in that category.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I ain't doing the research for that one :P
My computer was whining enough about the number of tabs I had running just to get one team’s worth of data.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That is pretty freakin' amazing.
I remembered Heyward but none of the others, besides Wallace, came to mind. Nice research!
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it is amazing
Heyward could have been anyone. But that leaves 6 on the list. It did seem that we’ve heard Pat & Ron a few times this year saying Cubs gave up first career HR
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like you are famous, MCF
it also caused one commenter on Bleed Cubbie Blue to muse that it seems like the Cubs have been giving up an abnormal amount of first career homers this year…
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
I was gonna say
If he’s gonna steal our ideas, he should steal our research, too – he missed out on Neil Walker and Chris Johnson. But then I read TFA and realized he restricted it to first-year players. Both Walker and Johnson played last year, but did not hit any HRs.
OTOH, he thinks that Maddie is a dude.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Not the way I read the article.
It’s about first career HR.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was having Disinterested Dreams while the Disinterested Loss took place, and had a Disinterested Listen to the Disinterested Archive this morning.
It was like having Dysentery.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Only if you did it on the pot
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
If you cannot drink beer...
…going to games on the pot is fun, too.
LaRussa, Pujols: dupes for Glenn Beck
I find that disturbing.
I hope discover a cure for the disease.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Not a fan of the Billy Williams statue.
Why pick the bad early 70s uniform and facial hair version of Sweet Swingin’ Billy? How do not have him in either his batting stance with bat held straight up and down, or in the middle of his beautiful swing, arms extended? This pose looks like he’s watching a foul pop-up or something.
Except for the embarrassing spelling error on the Banks statue, I like it much more.
Me neither. We were just discussing that last night during the game...
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Because of His 1972 Season
I’m assuming they did that because 1972 was Billy’s best season in the big leagues.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That year...
… was about as close as anyone has come to a Triple Crown since it was last won in 1967.
Billy won the batting title and finished third in HR and second in RBI.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Trotting out a lineup ...
that includes Hoff, Hill, Barney and Baker made it seem like Quade was disinterested. I understand that Aramis is hurt and that Castro is getting a timeout. But to start all four of those guys on the same night was just ridiculous.
It was the first thing Quade’s done that makes me question his candidacy for the job next year.
I actually like seeing Barney out there.
Not that I’m advocating he start over Castro, of course, but Darwin appears to be living up to his billing as a slick defender. I agree about the rest of those guys, though, as you mention, Baker was in as a replacement for Aramis. And I believe Figueroa has been getting hit hard by lefties, which probably explains the Hoff.
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Barney looks REAL good in the field.
Smooth hands and good footwork, natural instincts. Looks like he can hit a little, too. He’ll be a fine backup middle infielder next year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
barney
Yup. Been saying that for several years. The kid can field. He’s a better athlete than he gets recognized for, and when you add in that he has a real good feel for playing short, he’s fine defensively. I know there were folks here that questioned his athleticism, but this isn’t Theriot. Barney isn’t a plus athlete, but he’s a solid athelte.
The thing that gives Barney a chance to stick (there are plenty of AAA SS’s that are good defensively) is the fact that he can recognize the breaking ball. In the right situation, Barney could be a starting SS in the bigs. Probably of a 2nd tier team, but still.
I'm glad Barney's getting some playing time.
But there’s no way Quade should start those four guys in the same game. Even starting Castro and Soto could have made a huge difference.
Amen elgato. I was a little surprised Al didn't mention it before.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I was surprised Soto didn't start.
Quade had said Castro would sit for two games. Therefore, both should be in the lineup tonight.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But, again ...
this is about sitting Castro AND Soto AND Nady AND Ramirez, when the only thing that likely HAD to happen last night was to sit Ramirez.
Sure.
But you can sit more than one person on one day. Four? Too many, I agree. It was like a spring training split squad lineup.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's what I'm saying.
playing them together today just makes it more obvious. We’ve got a day off tomorrow for rest. It didn’t help that they did it on Billy’s night either.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I don't care if it was on Billy's night.
I’m troubled by the bad conventional wisdom that Quade is displaying. Last night’s lineup was straight out of Lou’s 2010 Greatest Hits.
Well I do. I saw him play and he was fantastic.
They already used the celebration to drum up attendance on a week night which seemed cheesy. At least they could play a lineup with a better chance of winning.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade shouldn't be doing anything for promotional reasons, though.
He should just be drawing up better lineups, period.
The other issue (and then I'll move on) ...
was that benching Castro and Ramirez required Jeff Baker to start against a right-hander. Baker has hardly faced any righties this year, and the ones he has faced have owned him.
I don’t really see the point in benching Castro for TWO games when doing so prompted such an awful, awful lineup. With the Cubs facing a righty — and given the team’s bench — either Castro or Ramirez AND Soto should have started.
Rami had a quad pull I've been told as you said before.
Who besides Baker could play there? Another rookie perhaps…I doubt one that would do a lot better. Agree Castro should have played. The point was made. Hearing Quade say he didn’t know if he would play today seems to say he was waiting for Castro to say something he hasn’t yet…like I’ll do what you say. But the point has already been made.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the key is Castro.
Quade could have started Castro at short and Barney at third.
Yes.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade kept his word and kept Castro benched. Good on him.
We could be eliminated Friday. I don’t think it’s that important to have the best possible line up against the Astros.
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Sep 8, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times do I have to say this?
It’s not JUST about sitting Castro. It’s about sitting Castro along with Ramirez, Nady and Soto.
And no one’s suggesting Quade must play his best lineup. But last night’s lineup was sickeningly bad.
Good news: Starlin is back in the lineup tonight.
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@CubsInsider: #Cubs lineup vs. #Astros (9/8): DeWitt 2B, Castro SS, Byrd CF, Nady 1B, Colvin RF, Soto C, Soriano LF, Barney 3B, Wells P
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Good Geo is back too.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Quade is goin' in for the quill!
I mean, kill!
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Much better.
But why either Soto or Castro didn’t start last night is truly beyond me.
Nady battin' clean-up
That’s our Cubs, folks!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
DeWitt can play 3rd
I wouldn’t mind seeing him there for a game or two while Rami’s on the shelf.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That would have still required Castro or Baker to play.
But I agree with you that it would be fun to see DeWitt get some time at third.
Lots of disinterest this time of year.
The other day in SRO there was a knot of Red Sox fans to one side of us and a bigger group of Cub fans to the other side. None of these fans saw a pitch.
Disinterest to the right of us; disinterest to the left of us. Into the valley of death ride the 600 fans who actually watch!
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Here I am
stuck in the middle with you.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Could you sing that again...
…into my good ear?
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Oh sure, laud the Tennyson reference but ignore the Stealers Wheel reference that follows?
Good God man, have you no sense of culture??? ;-)
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Silva
gave up 9 hits and a walk in 5 innings. That’s a 2.00 WHIP. I’d hardly call that adequate. It also seemed that he has gained more weight since he went on DL.
Since it looks like he will be back next year, it’d be to our advantage to insist he get into a shape worthy of his salary. No one can tell me all his aches and pains and injuries aren’t due in part to his conditioning.
Finally the lefty/righty thing paid off for the Astros in the later innings. Four of our first five hitters were LHB and when Quade brought in Snyder to PH, Houston countered with LHP Byrdak who had the advantage of facing 5 LHB, none of them even making good contact. The next two rookie relievers retired the minimum number of batters they faced. The problem with having platoon lineups is that it causes matchup problems in the later innings when the opposition brings in relievers.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You know after
all of these years and a lot of money you would think Carlos would find a stationary bike and bottled water.
Well he has got 10 wins on a 90 loss team. That is about 6 more wins than I thought he would get.
Soto should get Silva in touch with his personal trainer
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Agreed, Silva looked bad and was getting hit hard
Interesting to see how differently his return was framed from Z’s, given that they both pitched the same number of innings, allowed the same number of baserunners, and both lost.
maybe thats b/c
Silva wasn’t suppose to the ace coming into the season. Actually I believe many didn’t even think he’d be a starter. Plus his problem was physical. If he has a fast heart rate that needed medical care… as opposed to someone needing anger management.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
He did pitch badly.
I don’t agree at all it was a good performance given anything as Al said. He wasn’t pitching well before the time off and didn’t last night. I think losing some weight is a great idea.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
In other news, Trevor Hoffman made Lee Smith's Hall of Fame case even more irrelevant last night
600 saves
Good for him.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Free BLou
I disagree.
I think Hoffman should finish the season. The round-number argument doesn’t carry much weight for me. 714, 755, 511 — none of them are round numbers, and we remembered them.
We also remember 762
But that number will live in infamy.
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Funny thing is ...
I don’t remember that number. I knew Bonds has a handful more homers than Aaron, but the tarnish attached to Bonds makes me not care/remember how many he hit.
Same here.
Personally, that number is not the real one. I know it’s in the record books and it will never be changed, but I prefer 755.
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I agree...the number 61 should also be the relevant number.
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Ditto
And I don’t think I’m just being a bitter old man – when it happened (and when the season ended) I didn’t care one bit about it. It was done, and nothing could be done to change that, but it didn’t mean I cared about the new number.
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I didn't know the number.
I knew 755 because that is the only home run record to me. What Bonds was allowed to do is horrible and worse his buddies stayed in jail so he can’t be put in jail.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
755 Better Known Than 762
I really admire Hank Aaron for cutting that classy, congratulatory video that was shown right after Bonds “broke” the record. Aaron didn’t have to do that. 755 is still the number to me. Also, 61 means more to me than 73 for the single-season record.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Funny story about 511...
A bunch of us took a class in college called “History of Sports in America”, thinking it was going to be an easy “A”. Nothing doing – it was a legit class, taught by a History professor who just happened to love sports (baseball most of all), and she took it very very seriously. I think I still got an “A” but man, I had to work for it.
Anyway, first day of class and she starts off talking about the significance of numbers in sports and how people remember them. She throws a few out to the class, quizzing us. When she says “511”, I raise my hand and say “Mel Ott”.
She looks at me blankly – “Mel Ott?”. I said something like “Yeah, Mel Ott. He hit 511 career homers.” She stares at me for a few moments and then goes on to explain about Cy Young and his 511 career wins.
Even in college, I was thinking like a ballhawk…
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She shoulda high fived ya!
The Mel Ott reference is much more difficult… yet strangely I knew that stat as well.
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Dude,
I’m planning on learning a little history and eat some pizza.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
mel ott
I just about choked on my Subway. That’s funny stuff
by cozmotaylor123 on Sep 8, 2010 12:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
In those days
Ott was probably still third on the all-time list. :P
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Of course he should finish.
He should stop because it makes it more memorable to some ESPN clown? He signed the contract to reach this goal but he signed the contract. That would be low class and not worthy of a fantastic career as a closer to walk away just because he had reached his save number he wanted. With less than a month left.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he signed a contract to be a relief pitcher.
If he is not doing the job as closer, the manager of the team has the right to replace him, which the Brewers did, with someone who did the job better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I disagree.
He already has plenty of money and accomplishments as a reliever. I think he signed the contract only to get the 600…otherwise he probably would have retired. I never said anything about pitching when he’s not doing the job, mgmt has every right to sit him if they wish, it’s their money and decision. I simply meant he shouldn’t walk away having accomplished his goal unless they want him to.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Or unless he wants to.
It’s three weeks for a team that’s out of contention. It’s really not that big of a deal.
Agree with you it isn't that important.
I just like seeing a player finish his career with the same effort he started it with….but yeah it’s their decision and his obviously.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all in favor of letting him play as long as he can
As long as he is capable of playing, of course. I highly doubt if he’ll continue after this season simply because of the season he’s had, which means the economy should take care of that.
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Right.
And if the Brewers want to turn the closing duties over to somebody else for the rest of the season, I doubt anyone would object.
Those duties were turned over a while ago.
They’ve just tried to get Hoffman spot situations so he could hit his milestone.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Interesting.
Well, then, let him finish the year.
I'd give him some chances, but if the Brewers are thinking about their future, they need to have their new closer saving games, too.
That would be John Axford, who has been pretty good.
He has 20 saves in 22 chances… and each of the blown saves he only gave up one run (so it isn’t like he completely imploded).
Shut up Joe Morgan.
I'm fairly certain that he'll be stopped...
Hoffman was pretty mired in the Brewers bullpen for most of the summer stuck at 596 until, as expected, Macha decided to give him a late-season run at 600. Now that’s he’s there, I expect that you’ll be back to seeing Axford exclusively for the remainder of the season.
Whether he retires after the season I don’t know, but I doubt the Brewers will pay out that option for 2011. He may very well have that round number forced on him.
by Damen Jackson on Sep 8, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Hoffman's had a fine career.
14 seasons of 30+ saves, was on five playoff teams. But he will be 43 in October. It’s time to hang it up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep.
Though my opinion doesn’t mean much…the Brewers are the ones having to pay him to make the record and should be the ones deciding.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Fashion News from Wrigley Field
I was walking down Addison last night and approaching the main gate. I usually enter through Gate D, but I had upper deck box seats on the third base side. As I neared Clark and Addision, I saw a young woman ahead of me wearing daisy duke shorts and a plaid shirt. Not Country Western night, but she pulled the outfit off. How short were these shorts? Let’s just say I saw more cheek than I should have.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I'll bet she was awfully cold after sunset.
It was chilly out there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not where I was sitting
Upper deck box seats, section 413. Right on line with the pitcher’s mound. With the wind direction, the upper deck reserve acted as a wind shield. Two of my buddies wore shorts and I did not need my sweatshirt.
Probably the last I’ll see of shorts like that until 2011.
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, from that angle...
… you were blocked from the wind. It was way cooler in the bleachers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I could see the ivy more on the right field wall
I’ll be chillier tonight – back in section 240.
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
moving on the right field wall
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
We can still have warm nights.
That is to say, I hope we still have warm nights…
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You're right
You have to at least pay cover for that show.
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Here are MY questions:
1. Did you take pictures?
2. Give me the pictures.
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by PacificCub on Sep 8, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
And there is some law about sexting that I was concerned about, if I did take a pic with my phone.
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Can Wellington
get a start sometime soon? Not asking for a lot here, maybe 2 starts a week, hell I would take one. Can we get the kid sometime behind the plate.
Yeah.
I don’t really see why Koyie Hill is starting any games at all.
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by Al Yellon on Sep 8, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
So you're saying Wellington might have a beef....
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
a BCB battle at the O.K. Corral ?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Milking this for all it's worth?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I'm not feeling
veal good at where this thread is going.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Hoof course, I don't have a steak in this
But I don’t see how these guys cud filet each other over that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
They seem to have a bone to pick over it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
They just like to roast each other.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
This is one prime thread.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Sep 8, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
My only guess...
…as to why we’re still seeing so much Koyie is that Quade is giving him a departing, thank-you gift for being such a solid clubhouse guy for the last couple of seasons. I don’t want to break too bad on Hill — he seems like a decent fellow and has played his role as backup catcher as best he can. But I have to believe this is the end of the line for him with the Cubs. There’s no reason – to my knowledge, anyway – why the team shouldn’t roll into 2011 with Soto/Castillo as its backstops.
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It would, however...
… be nice to get Castillo, you know, some actual major league playing time.
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Oh, I agree.
Maybe Quade will play him more the last couple of weeks.
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but after Soto hits game winning HR
You give him a night off. Hill had a rough night both behind the plate and at the plate.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's true.
Hard to say what the Quadster is thinking. Maybe Soto wasn’t feeling well.
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Or the Cubs were taunting me for actually listening to a game
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
If you hear your name called out by Ronnie
I’d turn the game off and hide under the bed.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh puh lease.
Lou played him more than he should ever be played this year and last. Who cares if he is a decent fellow, he’s a god awful, horrible hitter that shouldn’t be in there with a rookie to see. That was awful last night watching him take the collar when the team desperately needed a hitter with so many back ups in there. We gave him his thank you gift long ago, sit his butt down where it belongs.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to know ...
if Silva asked for Hill. It’s possible that Quade (wrongly) tried to accommodate Silva in his first game back.
has Hill been catching for Silva alot this year?
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I can remember a couple occasions where Soto caught Silva. I was just speculating earlier, though.
B-R's gonna send a hitman around to my place
To collect on their bandwidth charges for today.
In Silva’s 21 starts this year, Soto has caught him in 16. Hill’s stints have come in short bursts – he caught Silva’s first two starts and then another two in a row in late May.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Hm, another interesting theory.
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I don't disagree...
…but that may not be how big league clubhouses work in September when the team in question is miles out of the race.
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i really think
last night was more of a lefty batter scenario (against Figueroa) than a thank you gift.
Too much is made of matchups like that.
Sometimes the platoon advantage is worth it. With someone like Hill? Not so much.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
When the Hoff is hitting cleanup ...
and Koyie Hill gets starts over the team’s hottest hitter — assuming Soto didn’t need a rest — then lefty-righty matchups are WAY to important to Mike Quade.
Does Soto do something to piss off the managers?
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's one theory:
Soto is arbitration eligible for the first time this season. I hope the Cubs wouldn’t do this, but maybe they’ve played Hill more than it would seem to make sense because to keep Soto’s numbers down?
That can’t be it, can it?
With Lou
I thought Hill had something he was blackmailing him with but I’m guessing he won’t be able to blackmail Quade with that.
So I’m going along with your evil theory.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Managers do seem to get hung up on veteran, good-guy catchers.
As for Lou, I truly think the playoff collapse in 2008 and the August collapse last year — after the team had somehow managed to get to first place despite a ton of injuries AND MB — made him question whether winning was possible in Chicago. I’m not sure whether he started believing in a mystical curse or just that the Soriano-Lee-Ramirez core wasn’t good enough.
Either way, he started doing more conventional things — like refusing to move Lee and Ramirez in the batting order this spring and playing veterans over young players like Colvin, Soto and Jake Fox (last fall). He started playing it safe when he needed to take big risks to try to shake things up.
Lou took risks in 2007. But by 2010, he was a by-the-book manager who relied on steady veterans and conventional wisdom.
by elgato on Sep 8, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now, see, you and I agree completely on this.
I think that’s exactly what happened.
Regarding Hill, Lou liked having a LH-hitting backup C in Seattle. Henry Blanco did a fine job and could easily have stayed.
Let’s hope the next manager makes a more logical and reasonable choice to back up Geo.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Blanco WAS expensive.
And Hill hit OK last year. I don’t have a problem with Hill as the backup. I didn’t like the fact that Hill got so much playing time despite horrible offensive numbers.
Lou did take one big risk this year that blew up in his face — moving Z to the bullpen. When THAT went awry, any creativity Lou had went out the window. Hence, “Look, what do you want me to do?” for five months.
amen
who ever it is
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree.
Castillo and Barney should both be starting 2 or 3 times a week to see if they are ready for bench duty next season.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Maybe Quade is trying to win as many games as he can
so he can use that as a bargaining chip next year. “Hey, look how I got this disinterested team to play ball the last 40 games!.”
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I can understand that.
But I’m not sure starting Barney twice a week (presumably over DeWitt) makes the Cubs substantially worse (where you are really impacting the likelihood of a win) and I’m fairly certain starting Castillo in place of Hill actually makes the Cubs better.
And the trying to win games thing goes a bit out the window when you roll out a spring training line-up like last night.
Lastly, this is where Hendry needs to step in for the future of the team. Certainly Quade should be trying his best to win games, but the GM needs to, by edict if need be, have the young guys playing (Colvin should be starting at least 4 times a week, too).
Shut up Joe Morgan.
debatable
One thing that is lost in the Hill/Castillo thing is that the pitchers have to adjust as well, and we’ve got a lot of young pitchers up. Wouldn’t surprise me to see Castillo come out and work with say, Casey Coleman at some point, someone that should know him fairly well.
I wouldn't be surprised...
… to see Samardzija get Coleman’s rotation slot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wouldn't be surprised...
… to see Samardzija get Coleman’s rotation slot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Does Coleman have any future as a reliever?
He really hasn’t been terrible as a starter. I’m guessing he doesn’t have dominating stuff to relieve, though.
I would like seeing that.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like seeing that.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
It’s time to figure out if shark will ever be a decent contributor.
he can't be much worse
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
They didn’t actually watch the game — not one of them. Standing, yakking, laughing, but not paying the least bit of attention to the Cubs’ 7-3 loss to the Astros,
You just described every fan in the bleachers for every game I’ve ever watched out there. How is this any different?
Not even close.
Guess you don’t spend much time out there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Perhaps “those people” talked funny, lending to the distraction.
Case studies quote patients reporting a sensation of "giving way," a "bursting noise" or "sudden explosion."
Wow that's a really weird and strange take on it.
I guess you’re implying something about Al but either way …that’s just silly to say.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a dumb comment.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I think that poster was looking to get people riled up
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah there a
several on here that do that.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Yeah, Those people spoke funny, about everything except baseball at a baseball game....
While standing up……
Get over yourself Caldonia…….It does not matter what kind of person you are. If you pull that crap at a game people will find you annoying to be around.
So why DIDN'T crowd control do anything?
The way you described it Al, it sounds like crowd control came over, asked them (several times) to settle down, or at least sit down, but to no avail.
What was crowd control’s response to you when it was clear their entreaties weren’t working? Did they just shrug their shoulders and say “sorry, nothing we can do”?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Hmmm
Must be the September Crowd Control call-ups from Iowa…
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by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like mgmt was just happy 1,400 showed up for anything at this point.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably so.
I expect the crowd tonight to be a LOT smaller.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Will they let me walk over to the bleachers from the grandstand?
LaRussa, Pujols: dupes for Glenn Beck
I've had a lot continuing to go on in my life which accounts for my disinterest lately
The dysfunction of our disinterested heroes as the season disintegrates makes me suspect a dismaying amount of disingenousity here when the press comes in and. Not trying to Diss the Cubs, but when disllusionment sets in, it can tend to be disgusting to even the most blindly disenfranchised of the Cubs Nation.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I hate to nitpick
But I think everyone means “uninterested” instead of “disinterested”, which means unbiased or impartial.
As we learned in law school, you want to have a judge who’s disinterested, but not a judge who’s uninterested.
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Wait...
..what does this have to do with Tennnyson or Stealer’s Wheel?
But seriously – thanks for this….it was bugging me, too.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Sep 8, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Just don't say you could care less :)
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN talking about how bad Lee has been for the Braves...
God, I wish Lee can get it back together.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I'm afraid....
… what the Braves are seeing is what we saw the first half of 2010 from D-Lee. I think he’s done.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He battled back and neck pain last year, too.
It doesn’t get any easier after you’re 35.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's interesting.
I looked at his numbers the other day, and they seemed to be in line with his season overall — not as bad as April-May, but not as good as his last few weeks with the Cubs.
Clearly, Atlanta was hoping for more. But I didn’t think he’d been that bad.
me too
It’s sad to watch one of your favorite ball players start to suck
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by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
the Cubs have become nothing but background noise
on TV and in person … thank god for football of all kinds!
Over 100 comments and no one has mentioned Houston had Abad pitcher out there last night?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Was his name Abad? Maybe that's why he was so bad....
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Poor Michael Bourn...
He had to stare at Abad-ass the entire 9th inning…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yesterday...
…I posted on another thread that I thought Quade was doing a fairly decent job with this team…so far. I questioned his running this Starlin Castro ordeal through the media tho. Now, I’d like to retract my statement on Quade. He AGAIN ran this Castro thing through the media, instead of saying what a REAL team leader would have said, like… “we’ll keep that situation behind closed doors”, BUT, this time he followed it up with… “I asked Jim Hendry first”. It’s like Quade is telling everyone “Hey!!!…look what I can do, but, I gotta ask Jim first”. Enjoy the rest of the season, Mr. Quade and pick up your parting gift on the way out the door afterwards.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
correct me if I'm wrong
unless I forgot something, I’m pretty sure he was asked by the media about it yesterday as to whether or not he had discussed it with Jim. and I was under the impression by some reports that he took it in stride and, for lack of a better term, made it into a joke, as most indications are that this was just Quade’s decision, and Hendry didn’t have any input. Ibelieve it was Bruce Miles reporting on that (the decision making process) although I’ll double check at some point.
from BM's blog
Asked if he made the decision totally on his own or talked with GM Jim Hendry about it, Mike said: “Jim’s been great and has given me leeway to do what I want. I think anytime you do something like this, if you make some serious lineup change that has somebody not playing for reasons just performance wise, it’s not my nature just to do it and not talk to Jim or Randy or my staff. I get feedback from all over the place. I’ve been real happy because Jim’s given me the opportunity to just do it. In these situations, I’m doing what I want to do.”
I don’t see anything wrong with how the decision-making process occurred. It seems like Quade made a decision and then notified Hendry and other organizational officials.
Ok...I totally misunderstood what he was saying then, but...
this should not even be mentioned with the media. He’s disciplining a 20 year old rookie and letting the entire media know why. This is an in-house ordeal and in NO way should this have been mentioned to the media with nothing more than a “No Comment” or “We’ll keep this in the clubhouse”. The kid screwed up. Why rub his nose in it. Bench him and shut up about it.
Joe Girardi...2011 Chicago Cubs Manager...Book it!!
Adam Dunn..2011 Chicago Cubs First Baseman - 3 yrs/$42 mill with a club option for a 4th.
I don't think he is disciplining Castro...
just letting him have a breather.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
cubbiegoon
Have you been following the story at all?
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup.
Castro made a mental mistake a couple days ago. Quade decided to give him two days off to get things back together. That’s how I understand things. Is there something I’m missing?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Well ...
why would he get a breather after getting a day off for a mental mistake?
He just a wee 20 year old kid...
He also went 0-4 the same game he made the mistake in. The Cubs aren’t in a playoff race or anything. What’s it going to hurt. You get to see Barney play some SS and see what he can do with a bat in the majors. I don’t see anything wrong with a 2 day break for Castro.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
As noted ad nauseum above ...
it hurts when you sit Castro, Soto, Ramirez and Nady in the same game, when at least two of the guys (Castro and Soto) could easily have started and helped the team win.
Instead, half the lineup was comprised of Hill, Hoff, Baker (who can’t hit righties) and Barney.
I know it was a crappy lineup last night...
I think Soto and/or Nady should have started. I like to see the Cubs win, but I still don’t see anything wrong with sitting Castro for 2 days in a season like we’re having.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
The only problem was Scales sat! :P
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Twin ...
I am terrified to see tonight’s lineup.
I can't watch it tonight.
But I do hope Hill is running the weight room and Scales is bat boy. With Quade saying he doesn’t know if he will play Castro it could be another scary night. Hopefully Sue will be there for comfort.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
poor sue
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
awwww....
we usually have fun on game threads :)
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you meant
Sue should comfort Castro if he wasn’t playing again tonight
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don't either -- in a vacuum.
But I was responding to your point about giving Castro a rest a day after a game-long timeout.
Yeah, I know...
I was trying to give my understanding to the situation after Madison Cub Fan asked me if I knew what was going on.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
well your comment was
you didn’t think he was being disciplined that he was getting a breather.
Well since it was said he WAS being disciplined, I wasn’t sure if you had missed the story. Hence why I asked if you had been following it. Well no one gets a breather after they’ve been benched
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Sep 8, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...
might be piling on but we have a day off tomorrow anyway.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
There may be a bit of both going on
On Castro’s only other break this season, Lou mentioned that he was going to have Castro sit next to Alan Trammell and they’d talk about what was going on. That’s kind of what I read into the whole “teachable moment” comment, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Hahahahahah... B.M.
If my BMs had a blog, I’d probably read it.
Sorry Bruce :(
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Off to the game.
I need to move closer.
♪♫ Take me out WITH the crowd.
Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack,
I don't care if I NEVER get back ♪♫ Jack Norworth and Albert Von Tilzer
Puch anybody that gets in your way
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
*punch
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
We need to start a Cubs Commune
so you can move closer. Wow, that is too long.
See you at the ballpark. In the way you see 30K other people. :)
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It was interesting to see Theriot in there last night
For a crucial at bat for LA against the Pods. He did just as expected. It’s hard to imagine to me LA doesn’t have someone better on their roster now with the game on the line.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
FWIW ...
Theriot’s numbers are better in LA than they were for the Cubs. I’m not sure about his overall performance (baserunning, defense, etc.) but his OBP is much higher.
It would mean more I'm sure to see him everyday.
But he always did perform better when the game wasn’t on the line. With a bat or running the bases. Guess LA won’t have to decide to put him on the playoff roster so the point is moot. It is interesting his OBP went up. Maybe he likes LA.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
"Better"?
Yes, but not by much, and still bad.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's difficult to see how he could be worse
Until I just looked, I didn’t realize how bad Theriot actually was for the Cubs this year: .647 OPS, 69 OPS+, -0.8 WAR (per baseball-reference).
by Jody Jody Davis on Sep 8, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
His OBP with the Dodgers is .357.
That’s better than his 2009 or 2010 numbers with the Cubs. But, OK, not by THAT much.
And in a lot less plate appearances.
Let’s see how it looks three weeks from now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Like I said ...
“FWIW.”
I’ve never been a big Theriot defender.
Most of those people got picked off during the season.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Sep 8, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Famous and Infamous
Walking along behind me on the Upper Deck concourse last night:
1. Tom Ricketts – mid-game, chatted with a few people who stopped him.
2. Billy Williams – in the 8th inning after singing TMOTTBG.
3. HWSNBN – later in the game. the Upper deck concurse apparently provides him a longer vocal range. “Woo” has heard in Grand Rapids, MI last night
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I could hear him
on the TV last night.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Thankfully, he was not in the bleachers.
He might have frightened all those Koreans.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Look!
You found the lesser of two evils…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, at least then there would have been a useful function for HWSNBN
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
"concurse"?
Quite a Freudian slip there.
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Let me rearrange those letters and make a Dan Brown novel
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Sep 8, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Another season or 2 like this and...
Wrigley will turn into an outdoor version of the 2002-2006 UC when the playing surface was a thin sheet of ice.
They’d announce 9k-11k for most games when there couldn’t have been more than 3k-5k there, in a place that seated over 20k. Now….even scrimmage session (coming Sat 9/18) is SRO.
Just win the next game...!
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