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2011 Cubs Top 30 Prospects

The Cubs system took a hit with the addition of Matt Garza from the Rays in exchange for 4 of our best prospects. Jim Callis said before the trade the Cubs system would have rnaked 8th according to Baseball America. In the aftermath of the trade the system obviously will fall but there is still good depth and a system full of intriguing players. The system now probably falls somewhere in the back end of the teens. While I was a fan of aquiring Garza the price was steep but I don't feel it was as bad as what some made it out to be. The concensus of scouts and GMs was the Cubs gave up good but not elite prospects.

While the price was probably an overpay we did deal from positions of strength within the system. I was never sold on Archer as a SP and thought he would end up in the bullpen. Guyer was more of a 4th OF and while I like Chirinos he was a back up for us as long as Soto is with the team. Lee is the 1 payer I really was sad to see go but with Castro at SS and plethera of MI prospects who could end up at 2B again we dealt from a position of strength. Overall the system took an obvious hit but it still is a solid system. Now let's take a look at how the rest of system shakes out now.

**Rank, position, name, age as of April 1st, level where I feel they are most likely to start the season, ETA

1. RHP Trey McNutt, 21, AA, Mid-season 2012

McNutt burst ontot the scene for the Cubs in 2010 ascending 3 levels all the way to AA at the age of just 20 years old and in his 1st full season of proball. Featuring 2 plus-plus pitches starting with his 4 seam FB that sits 92-98 that comes in on a bit of a flat plane but he does blow it by hitters up in the zone. His 2nd pitch, a power slurve, that can nuetralize lefties has 2 plane break. McNutt rarely used his CU in 2010 and will need to flash it more as he moves up the system but the pitch has promise. I have McNutt over BJax here because I feel McNutt is just scratching the suface of what he can do. Considering his LOB% and BABIP at high A and AA leaves room to say he could have been even better. While he did get roughed up in his 1st taste of AA in the regular season he came back in 2 playoff starts to go 1-1 11 IP 9h 3er 4bb 12K's. If McNutt can learn to use his CU more he has the ceiling of a true #1 in the Justin Verlander mold. If not he could still start but would limit his upside to that of a 2/3 or a closer.

2. OF Brett Jackson, 22, AAA, Mid-season 2011

 Jackson has a quick bat that produces loft to his swing that should produce 15-20 HR annually. His plus speed should allow him to steal bases and take extra bases. Jackson draws walks and works counts well that also contributes to a high SO total that will limit his BA at the ML level. After and 8/17 start at AA he hit just .259 the rest of the way leaving me to feel his offensiver upside is that of a Mike Cameron-type player. Jackson profiles more as a solid regular who should be able to handle CF with improving reads and jumps and an average arm with accurate throws.

3. 3B Josh Vitters, 21, AA, Late 2012

If the Cubs allow Vitters to play all year at AA in 2011 I think it will be a huge breakout year. Offensively he has a quick smooth swing that makes easy contact and was making strides with his PD before breaking his hand. From what I've read about his defense in the AFL I think he can stick at 3B and be an average defender. Vitters offensive ceiling is large but will need continue to improve on his pitch selection.

4. RHP Chris Carpenter, 26, AAA, Mid season 2011 unless he wins a bullpen spot in ST.

Carp could be an innings eating 3/4 SP but considering the depth the Cubs have and his AFL performance he may be better suited as a set up man in the bullpen. Carp features a 91-96 mph FB with good life that when working in relief sits 95-99 and hit 101 in the AFL. His slurve is an above average pitch sitting in the low 80's with bite and depth. He has an average CU that if he moves to the bullpen he won't need. Carpenter also generates a lot of GBs. His AFL showing may have sealed his fate to working out of the pen in 2011 for the ML club.

5. RHP Hayden Simpson, 21/22, Low A, Mid Season 2013

Surprise 1st round pick that features a 4 pitch arsenal starting with a low 90's FB that can touch 97, a knee-buckling curve, hard slider, and solid CU. Also has plus command and control which should help his pitches play up but will need to work on his FB life. Wilken does a great job at judging pitchers so this could end up being a steal and could move fast.

6. OF. Matt Szczur, 21/22, Low A, Late season 2013...if ever

Exciting player who may end up playing football. Athletic speedster with true 80 speed and a knack for barreling the ball. Has good PD and gap to gap current power with the potential to add average power with better coaching. Szczur is a tireless worker and very competive. Callis said, while he may not get there, Grady Sizemore type ceiling is not out of the question. Would recieve a 500k bonus if he gives a written commitement to baseball before the NFL combine. The problem is with a weak WR class I can't see him at least not exploring his options for the NFL though the labor unrest could help him choose baseball.

UPDATE - Will forgo the NFL to focus on baseball. Had I known this when I started this list would have ranked as high as 3rd and focusing soley on baseball now should him mature faster.

7. RHP Rafael Dolis, 22, AA, Mid to late season 2012 as a starter or as early as late 2011 as a reliever

2 potential plus pitches with his 94-96 mph FB that generates a ton of GBs that he carry's late into games. Working as a releiver he sits in the upper 90's and can touch triple digits. His mid 80s SL is nasty. Shows some feel for the CU but needs to work on his command and control to be a long term SP. At the least he has the look of a power late inning reliever.

8. RHP Alberto Cabrera, 22, AA, Late 2012

Plus FB that sits 92-97 mph and 2 hard breaking pitches. Has an average CU. Live arm that struggled in AA in 2010 and should get another chance in 2011. May end up a reliever.

9. RHP Jay Jackson, 23, AAA, 2011 (could break camp as a reliever/will make his debut in some role in 2011)

Nice 4 pitch arsenal but stock took a bit of a hit. Is a flyball pitcher who will need to keep his HRA in check to be successful at the ML level. Could break camp as a bullpen arm or make his debut as a spot SP.

10. OF Micheal Burgess, 22, AA, late 2012

I had my list all set and got up this morning to work on this post and saw the trade. Since he's new I'll give a full scouting report. Supp. 1st round pick by the Nats in 2007 out of Tampa, Fla. H.S. The Good: Strong compact body (5'11 195) that hit's LH. Has plus to plus-plus power. His plus arm is 1 of the most feared in the minors that is very accurate. Is a solid defender overall. Does draw some walks and does a decent job working counts. Is a hard worker who wants to improve his game. The bad: swings and misses alot which will  limit his BA and chases too many CB in the dirt. Is a below average runner with contact issues. Has worked to shorten swing and from what I can tell he seemed to improve in making contact in 2010. Stock dropped according to BA from 9th coming into 2010 to around 20 this year. Profiles best as a power hitting 4th OF who if he can make some more progress could profile as a solid regular. Right now he doesn't profile to hit more then .250 as a ML, maybe lower. I like this pick up. He has some upside left but will need to work on his flaws.

11. IF D.J. LeMahieu, 22/23, AA, Late 2012

LeMahieu is the systems best pure hitter but lacks power and has defensive limitations. Profiles as a UTL player but if he can learn to turn on some pitches he could be an offensive minded 2B though there are some questions wheather he can handle that move defensively. I like D.J. and think there are some more improvements coming.

12. RHP Su-Min Jung, 21, High A, 2014

Anyone who's been reading me this past year knows how bullish I've been on Jung. Finally got some love from John Sickles this year and I asked numerous questions in the Cubs BA chat but got no responses on him. IMO he is primed for a breakout season this year. Was really starting to put it together over the final 2 months in 2010 which saw his K/9 rise to 10.6 and BB/9 fall to 2.9 before a horrible Aug. 10th outing then got put on the DL. FB sits in the low 90's that can touch 95 and improving CB and CU.

13. RHP Ben Wells, 19, SS-A, Late 2015

Agressive ranking here but I think he's got the stuff to justify it. Signed for 530K as a 7th rounder. This is the type of tough signs the Cubs need to make more of. Reasonable bonus with a ton pof potential.Plus FB sits in the low 90s that can touch 95 and may have more velo to come. Wells also has a nice hard slider and splitter. Above I state he will start at Boise because of how agressive the Cubs have been though AZL  may be where he starts.

14. SS. Junior Lake, 21, AA, Sometime in 2013

Impresive pakage of tools. Has a cannon arm and good power potential. Will eventually have to move off SS but could profile as a 3B if the power comes or 2B. Made some strides in 2010 but still has a long ways to go. Cut SO slightly and drew more walks and made better contact. Will need to carry this over to more advanced pitchers in AA and if he can this ranking will be to low but if he can't then this ranking will be to high.

15. RHP Austin Reed, 19, Low A, 2014 (but could move faster because of pitchibility)

Reed got rave reviews in the AZL ranking as the leagues 11th best prospect. Mixes 3 quality pitches, FB, CB and advanced CU, from a high three-quaters delievery. Reed is inteligent and could move fast for a H.S. because of his understanding how to pitch.

16. OF Reggie Golden, 19, AZL (or the Cubs could decided to start him at Boise though I think the league could carve him up)

Toolsy kid who is very raw. Has plus-plus power potential and very strong arm. Is athletic and has current above average speed. Raw hit tool and doesn't recognize off-speed stuff. The Cubs will need to take it very slow with him but could be an A.S. or bust in A ball. Very similar to Micheal Burgess coming out of H.S.

17. RHP Robinson Lopez, 20, High A, 2014

Lottery ticket aquired in the Derek Lee trade. Has big FB but will need to harness control. For a full scouting report check scoutingthesally.com.

18. RHP Kim-Jin Yeong, not sure if he's 18 or 19, AZL, 2016

This ranking is purely on scouting reports and 1.2 million bonus. 4 pitch mix starting with a FB that can hit 92, SL, CB, CU and above average command for his age. Got good reviews in instructs with some saying better stuff then Jung but better polish.

19. OF Jae-Hoon Ha, 20, High A, Mid season 2013

Makes good contact and power started to emerage in 2010. Will need improve Shawn Dunston-like 3.2 BB%. Decent speed and a chance to improve his ranking with a good showing at Daytona.

20. LHP Austin Kirk, 21, Low A, Late season 2013

Should start at Peoria but should move up to Daytona by mid season. 88-91 mph FB that is explosive and gets on hitters. Solid CB and good CU. Get's GBs, decent control, and good K rates that may produce a breakout season.

21. RHP Brett Wallach, 22, High A, Late 2013

Intriguing sleeper prospect who posted good K/9 numbers but needs to refine control. Wallach features some projection left to go with a good 3 pitch mix. 88-91 mph FB, a slurve with quick late break, and a good CU. The son of ex-ML Tim Wallach he's got good baseball pedigree and could move fast once his command improves.

22. SS Darwin Barney, 25, ML club, 2010

Barney doesn't have enough power to profile as a regular but offers enough to be a useful UTL player for the ML club in 2011. Makes solid contact to go with good intangibles and does the little things that makes teams he has played on winners. 

23. LHP Brooks Raley, 22/23, AA, late 2012

Tale of 2 seasons: Pre A.S. 2-5 5.93 Post A.S. 6-1 1.87. If he can build on his 2nd half he could really take off. Right now he profiles as lefty in the bullpen but may have some upside remaining.

24. RHP Dallas Beeler, 21/22, Low A, Mid season 2013

Beeler is a deep sleeper from the 2010 draft. Had TJS at Oral Roberts and is throwing 92-95 mph again to go with a promising slider. Could be a real mover on this list by next year.

25. 2B Matt Cerda, 20/21, High A, Late 2013

Was playing 3B at Peoria but profiles as a 2B. On base machine (68 BB) who has a little pop.

26. IF Ryan Flaherty, 24/25, AA, Late 2012

Not real sure if he deserves to be on this list. Has some pop but very old for High A last year. Will need to show he can hit AA pitching to still be considered a prospect. Defensive limitations limit his profile to corner UTL player. This imo is a make or break season.

27. LHP Chris Rusin, 24, AA, Mid season 2012 as a reliever

Fringy FB, decent CB, best CU and command in the system and generates GBs. At the least he should be a valuable lefty working in the bullpen but still has a chance to be a BOR starter.

28. 3B Dustin Geiger 19, SS-A or maybe Low A, Late 2014-2015

Another potential sleeper from the our underrated 2010 draft. Still growing body, power potential, and good defensively. I like Geiger and think he could surprise some this year and offers more upside then your normal 24th rd. pick.

29. SS Arismendy Alcantara 19, Low A, late 2014

Alex Eisenberg of Baseball-Intellect tabbed him as a player to watch this year. Should be the starting SS for Peoria who offers speed and a bit of pop f from his small frame. Stop me if you've heard this 1 before: Will need to draw more walks and cut down on his SO to be more effective.

30. C Wellington Castillo, 24, AAA or could break camp as the back up C, 2010

I'm not a big fan of Castillo but he could be a solid back up C. Will never hit for much AVG. or draw many walks but has power and a great arm. Can be sloppy on D and does SO a lot.

Honorable Mention - LHP Jefry Antigua, 2B Pin-Chieh Chen, 2B Wes Darvill (sleeper), C Micah Gibbs, LHP Cam Greathouse, RHP Aaron Kurcz, 2B Pierre LaPage, RHP Luis Liria, RHP A.J. Morris, RHP Dae-Eun Rhee, SS Daniel Sanchez, 3B Marquez Smith, 2B Logan Watkins

The List - I really spent a lot of time going over where everyone should rank. In the past when putting together top 30 lists I would normally just rough everyone in and say you could make a case for moving guys up or down but for this list I'm very comfortable this is where I want everyone. Although the Burgess trade and Szczur descion threw me a bit as I was putting this together. Burgess may have rated more in the mid teens for me but Josh seemed to think back end of the top 10 so I went with that. Szczur could have ranked as high as 3rd. Overall I put in a lot of research and time and added ages, 2011 destinations (though these could change depending), and ETA (just rough estimates) because a couple ppl had asked for them.

System Overview - Lot's of intriguing players and the system has thinned because of the Garza trade but imo still a good system. Lot's of power RH who generate GB although many have questions about long term SP potential. We have speed galore from a ton of MI prospects. The system lacks corner OF/IF with power. The addition of Golden and Burgess help but we still have work to do. We have some interesting LHP but none who profile as a sure SP.

Draft - Our 2010 draft was underated by most and may produce a lot of sleepers. For 2011 we should break the 5 million mark if for no other reason then we hold the 9th overall pick. I hope we continue to try and take players like Golden and Wells that will help replentish the system. In a perfect world we would earmark 6-8 million for the draft but who know's at this point. Wilken does a good job at indetifying pitchers but will need to focus on bats this year.

Hope everyone enjoys this read. Please feel free to ask questions or discuss the rankings. I know it's a long read but I tried to pack in as much info for the community as I could. I will review the list in June and rewrite it after the Aug. 15th signing deadline for the 2011 draft.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Who do you guys think will be the breakout STAH in the system this year?

I’m putting my money on my boy DJ LeMaheiu. I think he adds some power to his arsenal this year and becomes a top 2B prospect.

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 8:37 AM CST reply actions  

LeMahieu

i like D.J. a lot and have comp’d him to Martin Prado. it wasn’t until Prado made the ML did he start to produce double digit HR. I think D.J is a bit of a late bloomer and he was just 20 when drafted which was young for a college pick. jung is my breakout candidate for this year but I think the system has a couple like Kirk, Beeler, Reed, Walalch, Geiger, and maybe Darvill.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

LeMahieu

is one of the guys doing the Colvin Camp thing and supposedly has put on like 20 lbs. I don’t know if that bodes well for his future as a middle infilelder. I suppose it could help him with power, but I think his issues are more with his swing than his strength, so we’ll see.

by Bradsbeard on Jan 19, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

Junior Lake

He could push ahead of Vitters, Smith, and LeMahieu as a third-base option after Ramirez leaves.

No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.

by cubzfan on Jan 19, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Also,

great post and thank you for taking the time to do it. This farm system is on the way up, and with a good draft this year should be headed on the way to being one of the better ones in baseball. Wilken has done an excellent job of adding the projectable college athlete, which for a while I kind of thought was a myth.

Some guys I expect to have breakout to semi-breakout seasons…Vitters, LeMaheiu, Kirk or Raley one of these two lefties amongst a few others…I also expect a good season from the mysterious Hayden Simpson…

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

Some comments on your rankings....

- Not sure McNutt has Verlander upside, or that he has two plus plus pitches, but if you’re right I’m excited.

- I’ve hyped up LeMaheiu…I think he’s got more upside than utility guy…I leave future utility guy to Ryan Flaherty.

- I’m very excited about Szczur, but have him tabbed as a pure LF prospect…and a probable good one too.

- The power bullpen arms of Cabrera and Dolis will be very welcome.

- System is still a year or two away from being where they want it to be. Definitely on the way up…

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

+1
System is still a year or two away from being where they want it to be. Definitely on the way up

the fact that we can trade away 2 of our best prospects and still have alot to look forward to is a positive sign that the organization is moving in the right direction

by hansman1982 on Jan 19, 2011 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

i think we also have extremely low expectations
In the aftermath of the trade the system obviously will fall but there is still good depth and a system full of intriguing players. The system now probably falls somewhere in the back end of the teens.

The OP is estimating the system falls in the late teens, which is in the bottom HALF of baseball. Granted, there are young players now on the club that help supplement our base of young talent, but we as a fan base are very optimistic about a system that likely ranks in the lower half of baseball’s

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 19, 2011 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree 100%

Just because the farm system has been awful doesn’t mean we should be happy with average. Teams like the Royals have farm systems to get excited about. Ours is barely above meh at this point.

by JSB on Jan 19, 2011 9:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's because we as a fanbase...

follow the system closely and can see the clear, obvious improvements made over the past 3-4 years…despite one evil, crushing trade.

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

improvements have been made

don’t get me wrong. I’ve been a guy who has been very excited about the system. My excitement did take a hit when we knocked off 2 guys i really liked and one in particular i thought had some star potential.

My point being though, if we’re in the bottom half now all the improvements made are still landing us in a spot that should, realistically, temper our enthusiasm.

I do have confidence the organization has better people in place now to evaluate the system in the past. I do believe it was heading in the right direction, but I think the most recent trade was a couple steps back away from being excited about this system.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 19, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Hence it being a year off...

though they’ve done a solid job of adding upside guys to the system this offseason as well….I’m surprised that all 3 prospects from the Nats didn’t make the list, especially Morris.

With the 9th pick in this year’s draft and a clear organizational shift into acquiring large, athletic young guys that trade doesn’t even bother me anymore. Lee sucks to lose, but luckily the current starting SS on the ML roster isn’t much older than him and just hit .300 as a rookie. Archer sucks to lose, but we have a ton of good fastball/good breaking ball guys with mediocre control…

Not to mention that much of the upside is within the system…a good season from the same group of guys could jump this farm system up significant…imagine what a very good season from Vitters does to change perceptions…rankings are rankings and rarely do they have any kind of significant significance.

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't speak for anyone else.....

But my enthusiasm towards the system is in the sheer number of interesting prospects. Obviously, we lack the impact players that the Royals/Rays/Braves have, but we have a bunch of lottery ticket type guys that make it fun to monitor the minors during the season (especially so when the big league team is sucking it up). I enjoy imagining Reggie Golden hitting his ceiling, which is that of a middle of the order, run producing RFer. I enjoy imagining Hayden Simpson as Roy Oswalt v. 2.0. Just like the real lottery, you know your chances of hitting are terribly small, but it doesn’t stop you from dreaming about how you would spend the money. And as I stated before, we have a lot of lottery tickets. More so than we have had in years.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

wow...

all I said was we are moving in the right direction…2-3-4 years ago a trade like this would have left us in the late twenties, you cant go from crap to diamonds overnight, we are in the lump of carbon stage

by hansman1982 on Jan 19, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

well said

There are a few stages between crap and diamonds

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by vonde6 on Jan 19, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

its been 7 years since we were at diamonds

if diamonds is a top 5 farm system

we were getting close and tore much of it down

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 19, 2011 6:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

and alot of it

turned out to be cubic zirconia

by hansman1982 on Jan 20, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i'll disagree there

Mark Prior, Carlos Zambrano, Corey Patterson, and Juan Cruz all were very worthwhile major leaguers

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 21, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions  

unfortunately

3 of those stopped being legitimate big leaguers a couple years ago, they had some success but nothing long term…

by hansman1982 on Jan 21, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions  

well

Patterson – 10 WAR
Zambrano – 30 WAR
Prior – 16 WAR
Cruz – 5 WAR

As a total getting 61 WAR from at the time i believe we had 6-7 top 100 prospects isnt that far off from what would be expected

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jan 22, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

if you count

1.47 WAR per year from the 3 of them (and again I am giving you that Zambrano worked out) since then isnt too hot. Prior was amazing when he was healthy…then again we could be saying the same thing in 7 years about McNutt, Vitters, Cashner, and the others…

by hansman1982 on Jan 22, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions  

But 7 years ago. Z, Prior and Patterson were already on the big team

So the actual minor league system in place at that time produced very lilttle.

by ClarkFan on Feb 1, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I long for the days of

Chad Blasko and Luke Hageerty…BA and all the experts liked us so much more!

Wtf happened to Justin Jones? I’m very happy to say that Andy Sisco is still in baseball…man those were the days…we were LOADED with the pitching!

by SenorGato on Feb 1, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

it was 8 years ago

2002 BA rankings

my quick math was off by a year

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 1, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

i guess technically now that we're entering 2011 season

its 9 years ago…

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Feb 1, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

RE:

While I say the system probably fell to the late teens there is a lot of potential still left. The pure depth and amount of intriguing prospects alone is far better then it’s been in a while is positive. We could get an impact player at 9 in the draft and if we grab a few more tough sign guys like Wells, Reed, and Golden the system could easily vault back into the top 10. not to mention if a few guys step up which i think will happen. I’m a bit of an optimist but I think we got a good base still and improved our ML club in the process.

oh don’t forget we graduated Cash, Castro, and Colvin which is what the system is for. So while they don’t count anymore as ’specs they are good young talent that we produced.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the list!

Always interesting to read.

Crazy question: Word is, Darwin Barney attended Camp Colvin this year. Now I know he’ll never be a power hitter, but is it possible he could add enough muscle to propel himself to a starting role? Or maybe a platoon with DeWitt?

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by daver on Jan 19, 2011 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm just thinkin'..

…good contact rate + greater strength = more productive at the plate? I realize it’s kind of a long shot because Barney’s always been projected as a bench guy. But it would be a pleasant surprise a la Colvin last season.

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by daver on Jan 19, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

I've been hoping the Cubs would move that way.

And then trade Baker. I have nothing against Jeff, but if Barney could platoon with DeWitt (DeWitt becomes the back-up at 3B), then it opens another bench spot.

I like Barney. He’s got the right attitude to be a successful bench/platoon player.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 19, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Would Baker bring back much?

I mean, the Cubs got him for very little at a time when they had a crushing need for a backup third baseman.

by elgato on Jan 19, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I doubt it.

I just figured they could shave off a little more $.

But I have no issue keeping Baker, either. Just more hopeful that Barney could step up.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Jan 19, 2011 2:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't likely save much $

Baker only makes $1.175 million. At most, trading him would save $800k. But that’d mean we’d be replacing him with a minimum-salary guy. So you’d be trading away Baker’s bat (which is great against LHP) for a guy who likely isn’t likely to be too much better than last year’s version of Barney.

In other words, Baker at $1.175 million is probably worth more than we can get to replace him.

by SouthernCub on Jan 24, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

RE:

Wow 18 lbs huh? That is interesting. we shall see if it traslates into power but it’s not out of the question Barney could become a decent everyday 2b even if he dosn’t ever produce double digit HR but I just don’t see it yet. I htink he’ll get some spot starts to see what he can do.

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by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd say yes

I’m not optimistic that the weight will make him add power, but if it does, he could easily be a starter. Actually, it would be more likely that Castro moves over to second base and Barney takes over short if Barney were able to add power and not lose range at SS.

But again, I’m not optimistic that will happen.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, me neither.

But, wow, what a dramatic development if it did. Suddenly the loss of Hak-Ju Lee would look a little less devastating as well.

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by daver on Jan 19, 2011 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

2B is a position sitting there begging for someone to step into it

Baker is projected as the platoon just because he is a better hitter than Barney projects.

by ClarkFan on Jan 19, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Just wondering whether Barney could pull a Colvin in Spring Training (and beyond) this season.

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by daver on Jan 20, 2011 9:03 AM CST up reply actions  

Possible, I suppose.

If he outplays Baker & DeWitt in spring training, I bet Quade gets him more playing time.

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by Al Yellon on Jan 20, 2011 10:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Even a DeWitt/Barney platoon would be nice.

It would free up Baker to be more a 3B/1B backup, too.

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by daver on Jan 20, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Don't give up on Tony Thomas

He won’t take the job out of spring training, but he’s my sleeper prospect right now.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 20, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow! That's a surprise!

He had a couple excellent months last year, and a couple terrible months. What are you liking about him at this stage?

No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.

by cubzfan on Jan 20, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

You hit on it

his problem has always been consistency. The tools are there, he just needs to learn to apply them every day. I think the way he handled being benched shows that he’s starting to develop the maturity that he’s going to need to develop that consistency.

He’s far from a sure thing and he didn’t make my Top 20. But I’ve still got hope.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 20, 2011 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Tony Thomas...

what does his ceiling project as? he has decent power and above average speed, if he makes it maybe a 15/20 a year guy???

by cubsrul101 on Jan 21, 2011 11:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he has a

ceiling in that range, but probably won’t reach it. Maybe Jeff Baker as a reasonable upper range.

by timh815 on Jan 22, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

3 years ago he looked awesome...

.400+ OBP, 25 extra-base hits, and 28 SB in 214 PA at Boise at age 20. But he followed that up with OPS of .720 at A+ and .730 at AA. He showed very good plate discipline in 2007 and 2009, but only so-so plate discipline in 2008 and 2010.

As you said, consistency seems to be a problem. Last year, he was awesome in April (1.058 OPS), terrible in May (.454), very good in June (.950) and July (.905), bad in August (.718), and solid in September (.810).

He’s fast and has a little power (though probably double/triple power rather than HR power).

I’m intrigued that he’s still on your watch. I had sort of felt his ship had sailed. But I guess he is still only 24 this year and will maybe start in AAA. So I guess he’s a hot start (and maybe a 2B struggle or trade) away from getting a shot.

by SouthernCub on Jan 24, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

tyvm

I have a minor league project I’m working on. Your list helped in my efforts.

by timh815 on Jan 19, 2011 9:32 AM CST reply actions  

I always enjoy these.

Thanks for your efforts. The lack of a big power bat in a corner spot is my main concern. I don’t think you draft on need in MLB, but if it’s between a power righty pitcher and a big bat, I think the Cubs need to go with the big bat this year. I know NOTHING about possible draft picks at that 9th slot, so I’ll defer to the experts for who we could consider.

by Schwa on Jan 19, 2011 9:42 AM CST reply actions  

Golden/Burgess/Dong-Yub Kim

All have the big power bats at COF positions that you alluded to. However, all are terribly, terribly raw. One could also put Vitters in the power bat category. But you are right though, in that we need more power bats to develop. We have plenty of light-hitting, up-the-middle types.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think maybe Schwa meant IF?

by Villeslgr on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Corner IF/OF. Either.

We just don’t have that masher in the system anywhere close to being ready. I get the whole ‘up the middle’ approach. But we don’t have a 3 or 4 hitter in the wings. I don’t think Colvin’s got the pop for it. I’d love to see us draft a slugging college first basemen, but again – I don’t know about the top prospects for this year’s draft.

by Schwa on Jan 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not Wilken's MO

If a guy is playing 1B in college, he’s probably a DH in the majors.

If you draft a first baseman and he can’t handle it, there’s no where to go. Pretty much all the first basemen the Cubs draft under Wilken are just organizational filler, designed to hold the position until a third baseman or a corner outfielder gets moved there.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

He'd probably draft a 1B...

it’s just got to be a guy who’s good enough athletically to last at 1B. I want to say that’s easy to find, but it really isn’t, which sucks.

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: Kim

Dudes like godzillia i always hear about these great scouting reports from him but I’ve never seen the man or see anywhere he’s recorded an official pro AB.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

2009 Fall Instructs

It was his only game action in the U.S. so far. He was out all of 2010 rehabbing from injury. I haven’t read anywhere what the injury was, but the rumors were that it was TJS, much like Hak-Ju Lee. Hopefully he is over it and is ready for a big 2011.

His scouting report, however, is terrific. Plus speed, Plus power, plus bat speed. 30/30 potential guy. Nobody really knows what his plate discipline will be like yet, but the raw tools are definately there. He really is the forgotten man, when people talk about our system. Obviously it is easy to do so when he hasn’t even played in a game yet, but when Daniel Sanchez gets mentioned, I feel Dong-Yub Kim has every right to be mentioned as well.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

RE: Kim/Sanchez

search his name in fanposts I’ve mentioned him numerous times some as H.M. At this point he’s 21 and gained 30 pounds since signing so I don’t know how accurate his SR will be.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry

I didn’t see any of your posts about Kim. I just assumed you were like the vast majority of fans that forget he is even in the system (and rightly so, since he hasn’t even suited up yet). But where on earth did you hear about his weight gain?

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Burgess has power

I’d say Josh Vitters does too. Jae-Hoon Ha is a guy who could develop some real power this season.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I am on this Jae-Hoon Ha

Really interested if the guy can make some strides this year.

by Grockcubs on Jan 19, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha

Is a guy that is getting very mixed reviews. There is a growing contingent of people that think his power potential is already maxed. Sort of a “What you see is what you get” type of thing. I find that hard to believe, as he was only 19 last year, but these people get paid to make these statements. I, personally, agree with you though. He needs to take more walks, but I think his power could blossom this year.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Daniel Sanchez?

after checking for him, I coming up blanks.

by timh815 on Jan 19, 2011 10:18 AM CST reply actions  

Latin Bonus Baby from 2010

Didn’t play for us yet, but signed for $500K. Supposedly has above average power from the SS position. That’s about all any of us know yet.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Kirk

I’m curious as to where you got his fastball velocity from. Granted, it was only one game, but he sat 90-92, touching 94 when I saw him, which is right in line with his pre-draft scouting reports.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 10:37 AM CST reply actions  

RE:

I assume you were going off the stadium gun? If so they usually run a little fast in my findings. If not then kudos for Kirk glad to hear. How did the movement look?

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

That was it

It straightened out a bit when you saw him reach back (on the ones that hit 94), but he still had decent action when it was 91. I would assume he keeps it there most of the time, at least until his secondary stuff improves.

by RynoRooter on Jan 19, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

If Kirk has that velocity...

he should be a top 15 prospect in the system now.

Never really read a scouting report on him…and wasn’t blown away by his 30 second MLB.com draft video when I saw it. Good to hear if this is true…

by SenorGato on Jan 21, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I have him at 10

Of course, I’m probably putting too much stock in the one game I saw of him. It’s entirely possible he is the 89-90 guy that many see him as. It’s tough to find a neutral scouting report on him. The one video of him pre-draft does have him throwing lower velocities, but that could also have been taken before Kirk amped up his velocity towards the end of his senior year, ala Ben Wells. He hit 95 as a senior in the state playoffs, which jibes with the 94 he registered in the game I saw him pitch. If Kirk is indeed the 89-90 guy, he drops quite a bit in my book. However, if he is more the 90-92 guy that I saw, he gets my #10 prospect spot.

by RynoRooter on Jan 21, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks,

this was interesting to read—the first post-trades prospect ranking I’ve seen.

One quibble—most people I’ve read think this is an exceptionally strong WR draft class. I wonder if the strength of the draft class influenced his decision. Hard to pass up 150k guaranteed if you might not crack the third round.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jan 19, 2011 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

I've read this is a weak WR class

and losing Szczur makes it even weaker. I saw him ranked as high as the 9th best WR in the draft. ESPN has him at #12.

He was projected anywhere between the third and the sixth round. I think the fear was that because he was a “monster makeup” kid, he’d wow the scouts at the Senior Bowl and end up in the third round.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

It's still a strong WR class - 4 likely 1st rounders, and another 4 graded as 2nd rounders.

2011 WR class has top-end talent in Green and Jones, at least 8-10 WR with 1-2-3 round rankings, and “interesting” types down the board like Greg Little.

And that is including the decision of Michael Floyd, Justin Blackmon, and Ryan Broyles to return to school.

It was definitely a weak SENIOR class, (Hankerson, Jernigan, Pettis, Little) but you have to factor the underclassmen into the mix – they’re the stars.

Szczur usually ranked somewhere outside the top 10 WR, which can mean anything from 3rd rounder to undrafted. He probably made a good choice.

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by D98 on Jan 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks CubsFan1

I am amazed at the time and effort some of you guys go through to produce these. I do enjoy to read them though so keep’em coming!!!

The depth of the system is quite good. We are just lacking 2 or 3 sure fire superstars at the top. If we had those it would definiitely be a top 10 system. I personally am hoping Vitters can become one- but he needs an entire year at AA so hopefully the Cubs don’t jump him again if he has a hot week or two.

by CA Cub Fan on Jan 19, 2011 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

Your Welcome

To everyone who enjoyed this post and thanks for the kind words. hope this gives everyone an idea of where we are at and possibly where guys will be headed in 2011.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 19, 2011 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Thanks as well...

One minor correction; Carpenter just turned 25 in late December. It’s getting that time of year and the Cubs are still undefeated in 2011!!!!

by skeezer on Jan 20, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

"Weak WR Class?!"

It’s a very strong WR class – in fact, that’s a major reason why Michael Floyd decided to come back to ND for his senior year.

AJ Green will be a top 5 pick, Julio Jones is graded as a top 10-15 pick, Torrey Smith, Jon Baldwin…. there are like 8 WR who have a 1st or 2nd round ranking. Even Greg Little is very interesting in rounds 3-4.

Most boards I’ve seen have Szczur rated between 15-20th among WR. At 5-11, he could have been a Wes Welker slot type, but those don’t come along very often. He probably made the right choice.

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by D98 on Jan 19, 2011 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

He made the right choice

because a baseball career is a lot better than a football career. I made the comparison to Brian Jordan, who was a starting DB in the NFL and gave it up to play baseball because he wanted to play with his kids when his career was over.

As far as the strength of the NFL draft, I’m not even going to pretend to be an expert on that so I’m just repeating what I read when following the Szczur situation. But if he wanted to play football, he was going to play football no matter where he was drafted. I don’t think he made this decision because of the money, although the money told him he could be set for life and not have to worry about being crippled and demented when his career was over like he would be in football.

Add the money to the health, and it was an offer he couldn’t refuse. I think he would have taken it even if he was projected as a second rounder.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Beyond that...

…. there’s the uncertainty regarding the NFL labor situation. He could have signed and had no money and no job next season. This way, he’s certain to move up through the Cubs system, maybe fast tracked too.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jan 19, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

5-11 would have pushed him down the boards

NFL eams are really looking for tall WRs these days – lets the QB just lay the ball up in the air and count in the WR to win the jump ball.

by ClarkFan on Jan 19, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope we're starting to underestimate Jay Jackson

He was not the same pitcher after spending a couple weeks in the bullpen last year. There could have been physical or mental aspects from that stint. His ceiling still seems to be as high as Carpenter, but he’s getting less press.

Likewise for Wellington Castillo. He still has a chance to be a major league starter at some point. Having Max Ramirez on the team probably hurts his chances of playing at Wrigley in 2011, but still valuable.

No one should be untouchable on this roster unless his name is Eliot Ness...or Starlin Castro.

by cubzfan on Jan 19, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions  

I've been wondering about Jackson too...

hated him when everyone thought he was the best pitching prospect in the system, but since that shine has worn off I have to say he’s not bad. His season last year was pretty decent seeing as he was in the PCL, famous for it’s inflated ERAs.

Seems underrated as heck now…and I think the Cubs knows he’s good too.

by SenorGato on Jan 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

On top of that

they really messed around with Jackson last year. They moved him to the bullpen in the middle of the season so they could call him up to the majors, but then decided to call up Cashner instead. After they returned him to the rotation, he never quite got his groove back. I don’t know if he was sulking or whether he just was out of whack, but he was very good before the trip to the pen.

I still like him too.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

A few questions

Austin Biebens-Dirkx, wha’s your take on him? He put up impressive numbers last year but he might be too old.

Did the Nationals draft Burgess with the suplemental pick they got from us for taking Soriano? Just think it would be a weird irony.

How do you feel about the number of LHP (or lack thereof) in our system? Does it concern you at all?

Great list, always appreciate reading what you and Josh write

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by Musicdude10 on Jan 19, 2011 12:44 PM CST reply actions  

Nice catch on Burgess

but no, the Nationals got Josh Smoker and Jordan Zimmerman as compensation for Soriano. They got Burgess as compensation for losing Jose Guillen. (They pay you for losing Jose Guillen?)

ABD isn’t much of a prospect, IMO. Might end up as a middle bullpen arm. Hope I’m wrong though.

I’d rather have a good right-hander than a crappy lefthander in the system. Jeffry Antigua is someone who interests me, although he didn’t make my top 30 either. He will with a good season this year.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 19, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

No Marwin Gonzalez?

 I did a half joking fanpost about Marwin because as near as I can tell he is the ONLY Cub playing a full season of winter ball and I needed to follow someone. For the record he
was mentioned by Oneri in a question about players to watch so who knows. Currently batting a decent .295 in the Venezuelan playoffs after batting .324 for the season. As far as I know he has been a SS, but they had him playing a lot of 3B in the post season.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Jan 19, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions  

Why is Marquez Smith rated so low?

This guy was on fire at the both AA and Iowa and everyone was scared they are going to lose him in the Rule 5 draft. what am i missing here? I would have rated him in the top 15 but he is not even in the top 30!

by lakhania on Jan 19, 2011 6:48 PM CST reply actions  

Great post.

I agree with alot of your rankings for the most part. Interested on what people think of Kurcz, seems like he could a fast rising reliever with high K rates.

by Dcr18 on Jan 19, 2011 7:09 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks for a well researched post.. the Cubs farm is getting better..

I still wish they would spend a few more resources on scouting and player development – this will greatly reduce the chances of backing into the corner of having to sign high-risk, high-priced free agents. I like that the Pena signing was only one year, but having do spend $10 million on him is because the minors didn’t produce any good prospects… not so much. If we had one guy that could approach Pena’s numbers at $650,000, imagine how far that other $9 million could go.

by DisCUBbobulated on Jan 19, 2011 10:38 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks cubsfan1

Great reading. Thanks for all the effort that went into this.

by John916 on Jan 20, 2011 9:15 AM CST reply actions  

Who're the favorite breakout candidates in 2011?

Also, can someone who knows break down some of our high upside Asian guys?

by SenorGato on Jan 20, 2011 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

My top 5 candidates are as follows:

1. Vitters. Yes he has been highly rated all along but the hype has been much more than the actual output thus far. The last two years his OPS is under .800. He is still very young for the levels he is at but I for one think he will bust out if they leave him at AA for all or nearly all of the season.
2. Simpson. He is the big unknown in the system (maybe along with Kim the asian OF). If he has 4 above avg pitches like some have claimed then maybe he dominates. My guess is he will be good but not great.
3. LeMahieu. Best hitter in the system but he lacks power. Supposedly he is doing the Colvin camp and if he adds 10-15 lbs of muscle then maybe he can inch toward low teen HR numbers. If so he would really become a much better prospect. Also- like Colvin he was a young college draftee thus he is still developing into his body.
4. Jr Lake. Second half of last year was really good. Does it continue into this year? My guess is yes as he has a ton of talent (was mentioned a couple years back in the same breath with Castro).
5. R Golden. He is the poster child for boom or bust type prospect.

A case could be made for many other guys- especially the more obscure ones that are lower in rankings but these 5 are front and center for me.

by CA Cub Fan on Jan 20, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Of course to be fair my top 5 most likely to fall on their faces are...

Last year who would have predicted Kyler Burke to fall like he did or Logan Watkins to look very mediocre. My 5 watchout guys would be…

1. McNutt. Hard to imagine he could do better than last season so the projections are sky high. Thus any slip up and it will look possibly look worse than it really is.
2. Simpson. See above
3. R Lopez. This guy has a high octane arm but little control. Thus, he is the R Golden boom or bust type player from the pitching side.
4. Ha. Guys who only walk 3% of the time tend to get eaten up as they climb the ladder. Yes he is young and could improve but that is a mountain to climb…
5. R Flaherty. He can’t hit lefties a lick. Failed in his first attempt at AA. Then put up good if not great numbers at A+ when he was old for the level. These things don’t bode well for him. That said as a platoon/bench player he could really be a decent option- hits LH and can play all over the diamond. He needs to finish this year at AAA or in the bigs to call it a successful year.

by CA Cub Fan on Jan 20, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

To be honest

Burke was more likely to fall flat on his face than repeat his 2009 season. He had shown nothing in the way of production the previous 3 years.

Agree completely about Robinson Lopez. I’m not a big fan of his.

by RynoRooter on Jan 20, 2011 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a huge fan of Lopez either...

Mechanics seem stiff and weird and I don’t think the fastball velocity will hold up, if it’s as legit as reported at all.

by SenorGato on Jan 21, 2011 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t believe his stuff is as good as many believe it is. I think the one report from Scouting The Sally really exaggerated him, and many ran with it. A straight 93 mph fastball and no real secondary pitch is not a good comination.

by RynoRooter on Jan 21, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions  

RE: STS

Mike Newman brings his own gun to games and imo does the best job, including BA, at accurately reporting velo.

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 21, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Not the velocity

But the rest of the package. I’d believe that Lopez hit 96 once on the gun, and that he sat 93-94 for a few innings. However, Newman stated that Lopez should be included in the conversation with fellow prospects Julio Teheran, Arodys Vizcaino, Tyler Matzek and Zach Wheeler. I don’t know how a straight 94 mph fastball with questionable command along with no secondary stuff equates to a very good prospect. I’m not questioning his ceiling, but there is just way too much that needs to go right with him.

by RynoRooter on Jan 22, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't list my top 5...

1. LeMaheiu – Big fan of this guy even in college. He was the 2nd best athlete of all the LSU guys on the NC team, and he’s really a talented hitter. If he adds power to his game, he’s a top tier 2B prospect.

2. Matt Cerda – A guy who might profile at 2B a little better than LeMaheiu. Excellent athlete, good plate discipline, some power, solid swing, and good makeup. If he doesn’t break out next year, he’ll probably be on this list again for 2012. The kind of guy who “makes himself a player” as the cliche goes, because he’s short. I love the BB/K ratio last year. I wonder if he can hit for average…

3. Josh Vitters – Guy’s in a make or break year, and I like the talent too much to think he’ll break. He has all the physical tools as we all know.

4. Simpson – I too like what I hear about the arm.

5. Junior Lake – He seems to be conscious of the fact that he K’s a ton. I’m impressed that he managed to K less than 100 times last year…shows something…skill or aptitude or something…

by SenorGato on Jan 21, 2011 12:05 AM CST up reply actions  

RE: Breakout candidates

My top guys to break out are in order:

1. Jung
2. Vitters
3. Reed
4. LeMahieu
5. Reed
6. Gieger
7. Darvill

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 20, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Reed twice?

I think Cerda is going to take a big step forward this season. I like Ha a lot better than some.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 20, 2011 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

dammit...

had more to add. Mechanics kind of remind me of Shields on the Rays…leg kick looks funny.

by SenorGato on Jan 21, 2011 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Gato is really high on Reed I guess

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by lookingdeadred on Jan 21, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Big fan of Reed too...

He’s got an impressive changeup for a HS kid.

by SenorGato on Jan 21, 2011 12:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Once again...

I agree with you. I love Reed’s potential. I am hoping for big things from him this year.

by RynoRooter on Jan 21, 2011 1:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Great List!

Thanks for putting this together. It’s a real labor of love and it helps Cub fans who love to follow the progress of the minor leaguers. Any thoughts on positions to focus on in the June draft? It seems like this might be the year to draft a lot of power/speed position players. The pitching looks solid. Remember that this farm system was put together without the benefit of low draft choices (except Vitters) unlike the Royals or the Rays a few years ago.

by A.A. Stagg on Jan 20, 2011 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

Never Focus on Positions

It should be best player available (BPA) for every pick, regardless of position. Now, if there are 2 players that grade out about equal and one is a hitter and one is a pitcher, I feel that we should be going hitter all the way. Pitching depth is the strong suit of our system.

by RynoRooter on Jan 20, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Nobody Does That

Not that it wouldn’t be interesting, but nobody does. Each team has a budget for the draft. If a team were to draft that way, they would draft ‘first round talent’ guys in each of the first twelve rounds, sign maybe three of them, and be hit or miss with little room for error in development.

In baseball, you have to balance ability with sign-ability. You just do.

by timh815 on Jan 20, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Money is assumed

This was all about BPA vs. Positional need within the organization. And I would argue that almost EVERY team drafts with no regard towards positional needs. It’s idiocy to do otherwise.

by RynoRooter on Jan 20, 2011 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that alot of people really underrate our 2009 draft in the lower rounds

other that Mcnutt obviously… we drafted plenty of guys who produced extremely well in A ball last year and I am excited to see how well these guys come through in their second full seasons of minor league ball. Some names i would watch out for are…

Justin Bour: huge human being with pop and a knack for driving in runs
Greg Rohan: solid frame was tearing up low A at the start of the season got promoted halfway struggled at first but really started to hit his stride in A+ over the last couple weeks or so
Nick Struck: threw a no hitter (5 innings than game called) in low A started to really produce for A+ after promotion
and finally
Robert Whitenack: guy has a wicked fastball and after his showing at the Road to Wrigley game last year was lights out at low A and continued through A+ and the rest of the season

Josh? guys thoughts? scouting reports? anything?

by cubsrul101 on Jan 21, 2011 12:00 AM CST reply actions  

I saw a couple Peoria games last year

including one Whitenack started. There were a bunch of guys on that team that fulfill a role in the system I don’t have a name for. It’s something the Cubs seem to be doing well at. Between Cerda, Watkins, Rohan, Bour, Whitenack, and others, the same general assessment applies.

They did well enough to be advanced. They are reasonable for their age level. If they continue to progress, they could find a legit place in the high minors at some point. Then, if the right opportunity arises, they could have a chance with some team, somewhere.

They aren’t “lottery ticket”/“boom or bust” types. They don’t seem to have that much of a ceiling. They aren’t “prospects” as they’re not on everybody’s top 30 lists. They aren’t “suspects” as they are producing fairly well.

But if they keep chugging along, they could make a big league roster. And if that happens, you never know.

My number one on the list of those guys is Michael Brenly. All of these guys could be “third man in” if the Cubs make a 3-for-1 trade. These guys interest me, and they’re what make minor league ball fascinating. BTW, Randy Wells was one as well.

by timh815 on Jan 21, 2011 7:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Whitenack

is the one on that list I’m most optimistic about. Knuckle curve ball that’s potentially a plus pitch.

Still not sure what to think of Bour. The guy is huge and he had a good year in Peoria. However, he was 22 already and he didn’t really have a good year for a 22 year old first baseman in Low A.

by Josh Timmers on Jan 25, 2011 12:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably nothing

But we don’t put much value into first basemen.

by timh815 on Jan 25, 2011 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

The Wang Duo

I am referring to Yao-Lin Wang and Tzu-An Wang, two right-handers we signed out of Taiwan in 2009. If I remember correctly, both had fairly similar stuff out of HS (low 90’s fastballs and about 3-4 other pitches, none of which were even average yet), although Yao-lin was short (5’11") and Tzu-An was tall (6’6"). I know both essentially got a cup of coffee in the states this past year, but it is almost impossible to get anything out of 20 or so innings pitched. Does anybody have a first hand recount of either of these two? Both seemed to be extremely unlucky in their small sample size, but had some interesting peripherals.

by RynoRooter on Jan 21, 2011 2:35 PM CST reply actions  

Other guys on that produced for Peoria last year...

Dj Fitzgerald, Yohan Gonzalez, Manolin De Leon, Cerda, Watkins, Nelson Perez.
any of these guys have any ceiling whatsoever, Yohan Gonzalez got called up to Iowa for a day pitched a scoreless inning then sent down.. purely asking if any of these guys have any future in the system at all.

by cubsrul101 on Jan 21, 2011 7:11 PM CST reply actions  

Re:

Cerda is very muc a prospect and Watkins has talent but the rest of the guys not so much imo. They seem more like organization guys.

Perez has some serius PD issues and waas maybe a tad old (22) to be playing in Low A.

Gonzalez is a big kid who gets GB so he has some potential

De Leon was old for the league defintaley a filler player imo.

Fitzgerald is a bit of an intriguing player but his tools are average at best that probably limits his upside

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/

by cubsfan1 on Jan 22, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

28. Geiger

I’m a freshman in college and played Geiger twice last year… weird (and cool) seeing him on here.

Chicago fan stuck in Florida.
RIP Ron Santo

by alkappy on Jan 31, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions  

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