Theo Epstein Leaves Red Sox To Become Cubs GM On Five-Year Deal
by Al Yellon on Oct 12, 2011 1:15 PM CDT
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PrintBoston Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein will become GM (and probably be given the title "President of Baseball Operations") of the Cubs, according to the Chicago Tribune. Here are some details:
ESPN's Buster Olney also reported that the deal is done. Olney reported that Epstein and the Cubs have met twice, and that Red Sox management is fully prepared for his departure. Olney reported that the Cubs' deal with Epstein is closer to $20 million than $15 million, because of a $3.5 million conclusion bonus they inherited from his Red Sox contract.
This story has obviously created a lot of interest. It's great for the Cubs and for their future. The earlier post is getting a lot of traffic, so I'm creating this one primarily as an overflow thread.
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Geez.
Give Epstein a chance to move into his office, at least!
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How about...
as he’s walking to his office? I can wait that long, I guess.
by John916 on Oct 12, 2011 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I don't really care when it happens
as long as it’s before spring training.
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I'd like to see the next manager hired well before ST.
But I’m not throwing a fit about it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, maybe ST would be too late.
But by mid-November would be fine.
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I guess, but I don't understand why we would wait that long.
I get not hiring the guy tomorrow, but there’s no reason to wait if we know who we want.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Reassign him as a Scout, Rover,
or some other dog name sound-alike position. Then, ask Randy Bush which area he’d like to scout in.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
stop dancing at a funeral
Quade had his shot, he knew it and knew he was over his head sometime in mid-May when the ship was sinking and no one was paying attention to him.
Now as for assembling the team. Epstein needs to put together a senior staff of field coaches, (i.e,, Manager, Pitching Coach and bench coach), then lay out a plan for the current roster—-RIGHT AWAY—-screw the office and other BS….
Epstein should have people in mind, and if it is Sandberg, #23 should also have people in mind. A smart thing would be an old sage at Bench Coach….and a real pitching coach.
They all need to be on the same page as what they want to accomplish in 2012…type of transition, roster development. I suspect working three months, where Epstein and staff visit AZ ball, go down to Winter Ball and then to the Winter Meetings.
Through that Epstein will have to hire a new Asst GM who will need to assemble new staff in the front office. Gain a working relationship with the Caribbean and Asian FA scouting staff.
All this before the Cubs convention.
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
by Ivy Walls on Oct 12, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want a hot dog
Russell Crowe said: “Are
you not entertained?!”
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
pretty well sums up much here
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A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
Ivy I don't always
either agree with or understand your posts, but I agree with this.
Quade is by all accounts a good man. We all would prefer he stop being the Cubs manager. It seems highly unlikely he will be retained as the field manager.
Let’s just let him go gracefully. He may not have earned the right to keep his job, but he has earned that modicum of respect.
DEJESUS!!!
He needs to go to Zona
before Instructs break up. But other than that, yeah.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
The fact that...
…Theo hasn’t already fired Quade tells me that he is NOT the GM this team needs!
FIRE THEO!!!
he is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm confused. The latest news is that the compensation deal isn't done yet.
Should we be worried? Or is this just a matter of finalizing the deal with MLB’s approval?
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 12, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a matter of finalizing it with MLB approval.
They fear what this might do for future situations that are similar.
Second?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Next step is to fire everyone
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 12, 2011 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Including Theo??? Bad idea. Very bad idea!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
If Theo looks himself in the mirror on his first day and fires himself he would be my hero
Just because we have chiseled abs and stunning features, it doesn't mean that we too can't not die in a freak gasoline fight accident.
by Fat Punk Kicker on Oct 12, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because Theo ding-dong-ditched Punk Kicker while they were in middle school and he's never forgiven him for it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
Absolutely the wrong way to do business.
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Who are you to doubt Fat Punk Kicker? :)
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he called that because he's fat and kicks punks?
Or because he kicks fat punks?
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think because he kicks fat punks
but with a name like that, you can never be too sure…
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I'm fine with keeping Quade 1 more year while we rebuild.
maybe get a new pitching coach and a bench guy with some experience.
by Hookers or Cake on Oct 12, 2011 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel sick...
…Quade, is an embarrassment.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
No.
That needs to be the first change.
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Hookers or Cake =
Mike Quade disguised as “Hookers or Cake”
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
This guy disagrees.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You are so uncool...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
oh there you are Perry...
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 12, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It appears you chose Hookers
You should have picked cake.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade did such a fine job with the kids this year!!!! Thats what we need!!!!!
Clevenger and castillo can learn a lot from watching Hill play more!!!
Wait, what??
I hope that was a joke.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
No...that was a TJ11...
He does that. Sometimes.
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Don't fire him.
Force him out by establishing team-wide grooming standards which include mandatory eyebrows.
harsh
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Buy a eye wigs?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Of course that won't happen, but...
I heard a story yesterday about when Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers inteviewed for the Atlanta Hawks job, he said he would love to coach there as long as they fired EVERYONE. He said there was a culture of losing there and wanted to start with a completely clean slate with new attitudes. While realistically that won’t happen, the idea is a good one and one worth thinking about. It’s obvious the Cubs organization has bad mojo about it. Clean house, start completely from scratch and build a championship team.
by rbarnold2626 on Oct 12, 2011 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That's kind of what Dallas Green did
when he came to the Cubs. He fired everyone. Famously he fired Randy Hundley, who was in line for the Cubs manager’s job, because he felt he was associated with the loser culture. Hundley, looking for something to do, came up with the idea of a fantasy camp for fans.
The Cub organization today is not nearly as bankrupt as the one in 1981. We don’t need to fire everyone. But changes need to be made. And we need to hire more people than fire people. Right now, some people are failing in their jobs not because they’re incompetent, but because they’re being asked to do too much.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Josh is right.
Not EVERYONE in the Cubs office is a “loser”. What Epstein needs to do is change the culture. Good employees can adapt to that.
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Take Oneri Flieta, for example
Not only was he in charge of the farm system, he also was the de facto head of Latin American scouting. He was in charge of building the new complex in the Dominican Republic.
This was just too much for one person to do. He should take one job or the other (probably Latin American scouting) and someone else should run the other part of his job.
Fleita’s not incompetent. He was just set up to fail.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't he head of Latin American scouting before he became head of the farm system?
And before plans for the DR complex were hatched?
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I don't remember
But he might have been. But he’s got his fingers in too many pies.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
and I don't know how you can say without a doubt, (as Josh seems to be doing)
that the ENTIRE problem is how busy he is.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I said that
In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever said anything like that once. If you’ve been reading my comments for the past five years, you should know that I’m the master of the “Grey Area.” I never think anything is just one thing or the other.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
This appears to be a pretty definitive statement to me
“Fleita’s not incompetent. He was just set up to fail”
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Think what you want
I am categorically saying Fleita is not incompetent. I’m not saying he’s a genius. I guess if it makes you feel better to score some little internet point against me, go right ahead.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
LIke the way to do business the last 100+ years was the right way
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Oct 12, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Getting my Epstein jersey today
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by Fukudometer on Oct 12, 2011 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
what number? 20 million?
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2011 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
28?
For the age when he first became a GM…or 40, for the age when he won his 3rd World Series.
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First I find out the RF Bleachers are excellent
for wheelchair seating and THEN they hire T.E.
I LOVE THIS TEAM!
Speachless...
I was trying to remember who posted about that to thank so thank you for bringing it up!
Based on that info when you originally posted it I was able to take an out of town friend who’s in a wheelchair due to MS to sit in the bleachers which was her dream as a long time baseball junkie. Otherwise we were going to sit in the grandstand.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 12, 2011 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd never been in the blechers either...
It was one of those things I always wanted to do, but never thought I would then someone here mentioned there were handicapped seats.
My buddy who’s also in a chair and I went and it was great… course it was great cause they won and it was the day they dedicated the Santo statue as well…
Speachless...
they hired a tight end?
GETITDONEGREGOLSEN?
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It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
We'll need to be patient ...
Not only in the near term, but the long term. It could take years before we see the results of this move.
Baseball is the only major sport that appears backwards in a mirror. ~George Carlin
Be prepared to repeat this about 3,000 more times between now and 2015.....
because there are some who are not going to understand this.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If we don't go 162-0 next week
I’m gonna be PISSED!
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Why wait until next week?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'm getting very pissed right now, celebrating.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Like I've said, give it 4 years.
Maybe we’ll reach the playoffs before 2015, but yeah, Theo is going to have to rebuild the entire organization from the bottom up, and that takes time.
by varrys on Oct 12, 2011 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It won't take 4 years to be competitive
it may take 4 years to completely rebuild the farm system, but we’ll have the ability to compete at the MLB level before then thanks to being a big-market team.
I wouldn’t expect us to compete next year, but if we’re not competitive in 2013 and 2014 I’d say that’s a problem.
The idea should be: make some MLB improvements this offseason and get somewhat better. Make more improvements next offseason and be a contender in 2013. Then make good decisions so that we’re competitive in 2014. And all the while, stock the farm system so that we CONTINUE to be competitive in 2015 and beyond.
Can I get an AMEN?
Fiscal responsibility, vision, goal-setting….sounds dorky, but I like it.
In my lifetime please!
EggggZackly!
An approach to be a force for years, not try to win this year at all costs, then suck for 5 more.
Fire Jim Hendry. Injuries aren't the problem.
You mean that Epstein is not a starting pitcher who is going to go 54-0 while he plays RF and hits 65 HRs?
That’s disappointing….
Adam Lind could do that
while curing athletes foot
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This is a transparent...
attempt to steal attention away from the Cardinals’ run to yet another pennant. Ricketts should respect the game and not horn in on the glory of others.
Well played
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
"Insta-news" kinda affects that.
Given that the Cubs and Red Sox have not officially announced anything, it’s not necessarily Ricketts being an intentional show stealer. People leak stuff, reports tweet it within a second, and the story starts. It’s better to confirm or deny it officially than to say, “Well, we should wait until the end of October to make the trade and announce it, because our rivals are in the playoffs.”
I thought
it was to steal the thunder from the Robin Ventura hiring.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Sandberg gonna play 2B?
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Because
we had better options this season?
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Getting Theo doesn't guarantee a championship...
but it does guarantee that our lineup will never start with “1. Neifi Perez 2. Jose Macias…” or their equivalents. Thank God for that.
I think that was pretty much guaranteed already...since they're both retired
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it too early to push for a Dusty Round 2?
Neifi as bench coach would be ironic, since that’s where he never was enough.
Apologies to Francis Ford Coppola/Mario Puzo
Tom Hagen Mike Quade: Theo, why am I out?
Michael Corleone Theo Epstien: You’re not a wartime Consiglieri Major League manager, Mike. Things may get rough with the moves we’re trying.
Don Corleone Tom Ricketts: Q [motion for Quade to sit next to him], I advised Theo. I never thought you were a bad Consiglieri third base coach. I thought Santino Hendry was a bad Don GM, rest in peace. Theo has all my confidence as..as do you. But there are reasons why you must have no part nothing in what’s going to happen.
Tom HagenMike Quade: Maybe I could help.
Michael Corleone Theo Epstein: You’re out, Tom Mike.
by John916 on Oct 12, 2011 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 9 recs
Well done!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
By this analogy
Quade will become the manager again once Theo Epstein becomes the owner. DO NOT LIKE!
And we don't want to talk about what happens to Ricketts.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He dies of a heart attack?
Hendry gets it much worse.
Not as bad as Theo.
He had to star in Godfather III. shudders
by Flatley on Oct 12, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good start for the cubs today but
This team is 3 years way from being competitive.
Of this roster I think only Castro and maybe Barney will play in the playoffs in a cubs uniform.
Next up will be getting a manager in that can teach these kids to play the game right (Sandberg) and some vets that can back that message up. This means we should see Pena back in 2012 but at the very least bye bye Rami.
The Cubs should also be looking to piece they can trade at the deadline. If the cubs can flip a few of these guys for AAA talent the cubs could be looking at a solid team by 2013.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
It should probably start with a strong statement...
that Cubs’ fans shouldn’t expect anything until 2014 at the absolute earliest. Then trade Castro, Soto, Byrd, Wells, Marshall, and most importantly Garza for low level prospects. Take a couple 100 loss seasons and draft upside. Don’t bother with free agents yet. Basically the Nationals’ model without the disastrous Werth contract.
Right.
That’ll sell a lot of tickets.
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Not to mention that plan is utterly moronic
Even if the team doesn’t compete until 2014, that would make Castro what? 24?
Also, we are trading all our GOOD players (except for Byrd) for LOW LEVEL prospects? Couldn’t we get a couple who are high end?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
he's a cards fan
he’s upset the cubs are trying to steal the ugly birds thunder. i think he needs some cheese with his whine.
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Oct 12, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No
He’s upset because he knows that his team’s chances of winning the division in any given year took a huge hit today. We have the largest payroll on the division and we now have a GM who knows how to spend the money. The incompetence of our FO was their best competitive advantage.
by uptowncub on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Garza could bring back something close to major league ready...
but realistically the Cubs are not going to win 90+ games in a division with the Brewers, Reds, and Cardinals in 2012 or 2013, so there’s no reason to worry about those years. If the Cubs play their cards right they should be lined up for a long stretch of NL Central domination beginning in 2014 or 2015, but that means no 36 year old Pujols, or post-surgery CJ Wilson on the payroll.
Soto and Wells where good this year?
I want to come over and watch your T.V. Mine must be broken because they looked like they sucked to me.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Soto was good, nothing more.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
.228/17/54/.721ops?
On what planet is that “good”? Does Rick Wilkins ring a bell?
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
I'm hearing (radio) Soto might be the "compensation"
earlier this season, I was lurking on the Red Sox blog and they were lusting after Geo
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
not me
While I’m a big fan of guyliner on musicians, I don’t care for it on baseball players.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Going for it the next year...
is what got the team into this mess. There’s not a single guy on the team that projects to be an above average player with the next Cubs team except for Castro and he’s one year from arbitration. It’s not even clear how good he is given the defensive struggles. This past minor league season was pretty bad with a couple exceptions. The Cubs could sign Fielder/Pujols plus CJ Wilson, but that won’t add the 15 wins you need, and the they’ll start to suck right as the team should be contending in 2014. The Brewers, Reds, and Cardinals are all in the middle of their competitive window. That window looks to be closing in 2-4 years as Pujols, Votto, Greinke, Marcum, Fielder, Carpenter, etc move on. Theo is too smart to try to win now.
Your plan sucks
I don’t think I really need to elaborate
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well said guayzimi
The yahoos above are not really looking objectively at this team.
Build a foundation and the fill in where you can. Look at the Sox. Their best players are home grown. Lester, papalon, Ellsberry, pedroia, buchholz.
The cubs only have one player who home grown who can grow and tha is Castro. I kind of think Castro is like Nomar, Hits the ball well but can’t take a walk. And we all know what Theo did with Nomar and it won them a world series.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The funny thing is that...
these guys are actually unhappy with the idea that they might have to wait a couple years to become a dynasty. The Cubs should own the NL Central in perpetuity – monster payroll, smart front office, and they’ll have no big market competitor in their division once the Astros are relegated to the AL. All they have to do is not screw up with more win-now mistakes.
by guayzimi on Oct 12, 2011 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be clear I don't have a problem with rebuilding
I just think the idea of trading EVERYONE for minor league filler, including someone who will be 24 when you claim we’re going to be competing is just….SO DAMN STUPID.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay keep Castro...
is doesn’t really matter that much. In fact Al’s probably right that you need somone to bring in fans. The main thing is to reverse the Garza trade.
What?
“Reverse the Garza trade”? What does that even mean?
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I was about write the same thing - but not as politely as you did.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
You realize Garza is 27 years old, right?
Do players magically become ineffective at the age of 29 or 30?
Look, we desperately need some A-Ball bench warmers
Garza is the best way to get them, if you don’t understand that, I can’t help you
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
No.
The best way to get quality players is to draft them. That in conjunction with development and wise trades.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
You know I was kidding right?
Unless you actually want A-Ball bench warmers
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
why can't we trade Theo for some low A talent?
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by Cubbie-Tim on Oct 12, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
ZOMG, that's it!
Friedman leaves the Rays and we trade Theo to Tampa Bay for their entire farm system.
GITERDUNNRICKETTS!!!!!1
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Garza is 27 years old.
He can be a very good pitcher for a long time. I’d keep him.
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He's going to be a free agent after two more years...
he’ll never have more value than he does right now.
While I actually think that's true,
they’re more likely to extend him after next season.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I agree but some people think this was a good idea too:
You can fix the cubs but you can’t fix stupid.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude
First of all, Barney, Beef, Wells, Castro, Colvin, Cashner, Marshall, Marmol, Soto
Are all home grown. Second of all, Theo didn’t trade Nomar when he was 21, he traded him when he was in his freaking 30’s.
In other words, you don’t know what the hell you are talking about.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes Al. We should really be concerned about selling tickets.
When did you start getting a pay check from the Cubs Marketing department?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It has nothing to do with me.
But the fact is, with lower ticket sales, that means lower payrolls, and thus likely worse teams for a longer time.
No one’s saying “go for all of it” in 2012, because we know there’s a lot of work to do. But you have to at least TRY to field a competitive team. No one knows what can happen. Just ask this year’s Rays (who were expected to suck after all the FA departures) or Diamondbacks (who lost more than 90 games last year).
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Al the Cubs have drawn 2.5 million plus every year for 15 years...
If Theo plays for 2015 by accumulating young talent and refraining from signing free agents, I would think Cubs fans would be able to understand the logic and continue to support the team. Comparing the Cubs to two sun belt expansion teams with no support base is just silly.
No, your idea for a plan is silly.
I’m sorry but no team does what you’re advocating. Certainly no team with the resources of the Cubs.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
What resources?
Oh do you mean the $50+ million wrapped up in three unproductive players for 2012 (Dempster, Z, Sori?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I mean their own SuperStation, and a money making bonanza in Wrigley Field as well as apparel sales.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't buy enough talent on the free agent market to go from 71 wins to 90 wins...
how would you do that? Pujols is a four win upgrade on Pena. CJ Wilson is a three win upgrade. Quality baseball players are too expensive for a team with a $140 million payroll to just go the FA route.
And if you do sign all these free agents, you’re just signing up for more dead money down the line.
Once again, you don't understand. I'm okay with rebuilding
I’m just not in favor of your very bad idea of trading everyone who is currently on the club. There is a nucleus here. It’s not very big, but it’s there.
The team has enough money to add a piece this year, and several pieces next year and compete.
Starting over from scratch is what teams like the Royals and Pirates have to do because of their limited resources.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
But these guys crave fictional hope rather than looking at the reality and trying to make it better.
I guess if the Orioles sign Pojols the Al East is all theirs.
I hate magical thinking!
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
When did you go off the deep end? I don't remember you being this silly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are off the deep end! The cubs must rebuild and it will take...
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I need a Fry meme
Can’t tell if serious or if trolling.
by Arbusto on Oct 12, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd humbly submit that you and guayzimi...
…aren’t entirely wrong but you’ve fallen prey to extremist thinking.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
I would love to see some radical changes happen throughout the organization.
100+ years of losing will do that.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude...we just hired a guy that's basically the anti-Cub TO RUN THE BASEBALL OPERATIONS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed! But the cubs are full of cubs and it's time purge.
I’m in favor of an extreme makeover of Biblical proportions.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You do understand that the Cubs haven't had the same business practice for the last 100 years right?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Same results, tho
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Well then we should just say eff it
and quit.
Because Theo represents another new kind of approach.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey I like Ricketts new direction
I’m frustrated because people think Theo can make this current team competitive. He can’t. No one can.
So rebuild.
Get rid of the guess hackers.
Get players who can take pitches.
And realize it will take a few more years of losing before the cubs can win again.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Who actually thinks this?
I’m frustrated because people think Theo can make this current team competitive.
Name one person who thinks that.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like the NBF line of thinking
If I didn’t know better, I would say it was C&P’d directly out of his playbook.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Al. His clones. Phil Sulivan.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Al and Phil Sullivan think this team
with no changes whatsoever, can compete now that Theo is here?
I doubt that very, very much.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct.
Change has to come, and will come. But it can also make a team competitive quickly.
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"Phil" Sullivan?
Pretty much everyone thinks Theo can turn this team around very quickly.
Except you, perhpas.
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Al very few baseball people think the cubs can be turned around quickly
Theo should help the cubs get better in the long term which is the job of a GM. But there is very little to build the cubs into a winning baseball team.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
What is long term to you though?
He’s under a 5 year contract, and if he wants that renewed or wants more money, he’s going to need to do something other than “long term.” That’s great and all to keep winning, but there needs to be an immediate target two to three years from now where they need to be playing in the playoffs.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try to do that.
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Indeed, Jim "tried" to do that
and it’s why we’re in the current situation. There was no point in replacing Hendry if we’re just repeating the same mistakes
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It's like Al has forgotten all about that
now that we have Theo. Just because he’s a better GM, or at least has a better track record, doesn’t mean he can do the same things Hendry did, which ultimately sunk us.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly, it would not be done in the same way.
Because it would be done by a different person.
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If it is basically the same exact approach
then it doesn’t matter who’s doing it.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Precisely
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine Theo ...
… taking the same approach to try to put a competitive team on the field, that Jim Hendry did.
That’s my point.
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Given our current status though
with the contracts we have, with what would need to be done to contend in 2012, you would have to make some very shortsighted moves. I can’t see Theo doing that.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Or shrewd ones.
Remember, we didn’t have a GM who could do that. It’s a whole different mindset with Theo.
Look, I’m not suggesting a “go all out in one big binge to try to win now”.
Just trying to react to those who think it will take 2-3 years and the Cubs should put a team of kids on the field. That won’t sell tickets, and yes, they need to sell tickets for revenue to GET that better team.
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Hendry couldn't make shrewd moves?
Geez Al, you spent years defending the dude, and now that he’s gone, you’re more down on him than I am.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
no disrespect intended
This will sound far snarkier than I mean it to but I wondered how Al could keep defending him so much that I had wondered if maybe they knew each other.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, this is kind of Al's MO
He was Lou’s biggest fan…until he wasn’t.
He was Zambrano’s biggest fan (I still remember him claiming the move to the pen would work out because Zambrano was such a great teammate) until he wasn’t
He was hugely supportive of Quade…until he wasn’t.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey.
People are entitled to change their minds, aren’t they?
Or do I have to maintain the same positions from the day I take them?
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I used to like and defend Theriot.....
shudder….need I say more.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Sure, but much like your dealing with sources and the media
It is the degree that you support someone and then the speed at which you change your opinion that stands out.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 13, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Tampa Bay was 23rd in attendance
and they looked pretty damn good. Arizona was 24th. Our attendance isn’t going to be anything close to that.
Could they get lucky with a couple moves next year and everything clicks? Sure, but it’s going to take a new and qualified manager to help with that. A more likely scenario is the one two to three years out.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
our system is so bad that Boston
wants money, not a single player. That alone should give us insight to how much building is needed
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I think he can begin to make the changes necessary...
that will enable this organization to start fielding competitive teams. I don’t know the timeline of how long it will take, but I’m pretty confident he can do it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, know one is think this team is great 2012
but moves will be made that will make this team a better team, and that does not include trading everybody with worth.
So i you can give you can take it.
Radical fire sale changes...
…can be just as dangerous as radical win-now changes. One of Ricketts’ criterion for the new GM was someone committed to developing the farm system. I’ve no doubt Epstein intends to do so. And he can do so without making us sit through multiple 100-loss seasons.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
What?
Tribune sold the Cubs, remember. They don’t “own” WGN anymore. Actually Wgn was more of a revenue hinderance than a help. WGN paid a fraction of fair market value to put the team on t.v. for years. And that money making bonanza is in desperate need of repair. If you read the papers, watched the news, talked to Cub fans or anyone else for that matter, you would know that Ricketts is asking for a crapload (technical term) of public cash to fix the ballpark.
Trade me right f@#$ing now!
Come on Al!
The rays and d-backs had lots of MLB talent In the minors ready to go and the rays are loaded With talent for years to come. The Cubs have one, and only one, plus player ready to head up to the majors.
Until the farm system is rebuilt the cubs have no point to spend lots of money on being competitive.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You still don't know what the hell you're talking about.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Spend 120 mil on the big league club
and 15 mil on amateur bonuses. Repeat until successful.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
In how many years have the Cubs
seriously invested in amateur talent? Ever? One. Last year.
Investment in incoming talent is a good thing. Try again.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I agree in investing in talent.
In fact spend much more on it now and then increae payroll when one or two players will get you a ring.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 12, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
120 and 15
As super-competitive state approaches, ramp to 130.
But 120 for now, with the 15 the number that noodges upward on occasion.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I'm confident Theo has a plan
Whatever it is, I’m good with it.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
As long as it's not overpaying an underperforming LF again.
We fired the last guy for doing that.
(Then again, I think Carl Crawford will bounce back. Soriano… not so much.)
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
Yeah, I think Crawford has 3-4 really good years left
He did have a pretty bad season 3 years ago (89 OPS+, 25 SB) and bounced back with two very strong years.
In fairness, I think Soriano should have had 2-3 more good years than he did (unexpected injuries sped up the decline phase for him), so the same could happen to Crawford.
When Crawford hits his mid-30s though, it’s hard to imagine him being really good. His game is even more speed-driven than Soriano’s.
If Crawford is losing his speed, he's toast.
Plus he doesn’t hit for much power. He could feasibly decline faster than Soriano if he can’t stay healthy.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Well...
granted, we shouldn’t assume the drastic dropoff like Soriano, who had the crazy injuries. But even if Crawford can avoid the injuries he’ll still slow down. But Crawford becomes Johnny Damon once his speed disappears.
by SouthernCub on Oct 12, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
trollllll
Turco was good, but Crawford has a force field...
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Oct 12, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
you forgot to use the sarcasm font
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by lookingdeadred on Oct 12, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand trading Soto and Byrd and
not opting for Aramis option, but why trade Castro, Wells and Garza.
Castro is the one thing clicking, he’s still under control, and hitting at a tough defensive position.
Garza had a 3.32 ERA, a whole point better than any other starter. If the team needs pitching, why trade the one good starter in his prime.
I’m curious how Sabre minded Theo will be with this roster. If he’s still basing most of his roster decisions on this, LaHair may be his bargain first baseman (had to make sure I didn’t type fist baseman).
Marshall is a quality reliever and not expensive.
I could see an argument to trade Marmol for a wheelbarrow full of prospects, but not sure I’d do it.
may addition by subtraction be real
Hopefully Garza too
sign him for a couple years after arb.
Let's give Buster Olney some credit
Back in August, he was the one saying that everyone in baseball wanted this job. He specifically said Theo Epstein was interested.
Gritting teeth
… giving Olney grudging credit.
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by Al Yellon on Oct 12, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm laughing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's interesting to see all the national media coverage today, ESPN, etc...
The big story is Theo leaving the Red Sox rather than the Cubs getting Theo. I know that will change in the coming weeks, if/when a new manager is hired and when actual baseball decisions are made. But everything today is about the dysfunctional Red Sox locker room, how the starting pitchers would eat fast food, drink beer and play video games in the clubhouse DURING GAMES, etc…. Generally, the talk is about whether Theo left a big mess in Boston for someone else to clean up.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
That talk about the Red Sox
…. is because of the Boston Globe article that came out today. Is it coincidence that the Theo move is also today? Probably.
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Yeah, I get that...
MLB Network is talking about Theo and the fit with the Cubs. Mitch Williams went out of his way to predict that Sandberg will be the new manager. 1) It’s a PR move because he’s loved in Chicago and 2) it buys Theo a few years to build the team…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Thus is what I thought too.
Make a big “we’re in this together speech” and “Mr. Sandberg is going to help me understand the culture of the Chicago Cubs while leading our team”. Smart move. I am really hoping for a homecoming.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Oct 12, 2011 1:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am pleasantly surprised at how good of an analyst Mitch Williams is.
Very honest and to-the-point. He doesn’t play favorites either.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 12, 2011 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It ain't coincidence
This is the Red Sox upper management trashing Francona and Epstein as the go out the door.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
this
Henry/Lucchino are getting their licks in as these guys are heading out the door. not particularly classy.
by PrincetonCubs on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's sadly how you can find out the most about your former employers
classless move IMO
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Lucchino is pretty much one of the bigger dickheads you'll ever find.
He’s a master at this kinda shit.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Amazing considering he built a team
that would go on to win the WS twice. You’d think they’d show some kind of gratitude, but obviously they have never heard of it, or the Beastie Boys song of the same name.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't imagine that the Boston media is going to give Theo a fair shake...
I’m sure he’ll be the scapegoat for Boston’s problems, but Ben Cherington seems like he is more than capable of getting Boston back on track.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 12, 2011 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
My work day is shot.
I can’t concentrate on anything. This is awesome.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
Everyone is talking about this at work. We have a big Boston fan as one of our remote people who saw me pop up on Google talk and 2 seconds later said GREAT DAY FOR YOU GUYS BAD FOR US!
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 12, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Cubs fan at a law firm in Indianapolis...
Everyone else in the office is a Reds fan and they keep coming by my office to congratulate me. I’m trying to keep some perspective here, but it’s just so hard to believe Ricketts made this happen. Kind of surreal.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
Most important questio
Somebody has to ask him if he was really at Starbucks that day. He seems like more of a Dunkin’ Donuts coffee guy to me, but then again, he didn’t get a coffee for himself, just a banana.
ANSWER THE QUESTION, THEO! WERE YOU AT THE STARBUCKS NEAR AL’S HOUSE? WERE YOU?
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Does the Starbucks in question have security cameras?
We want to see the tapes!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Deep Goat has everything under control... Nothing to see here...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Ha, I've been thinking this, too.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Void filled
Hiring Epstein should be a step in getting the Cubs on track. Ricketts deserves the cheers he’s getting for this. Beyond his own purchase of the franchise, this is the first move he’s made that is going to shape the way baseball operations work on the Northside; a new era. Next on the agenda, perhaps, is selecting a manager. Not looking for Epstein to work miracles.
Nope. The second move.
See 2011 MLB Draft bonuses.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Correction: See 2011 Amateur Spending
Ricketts did a hell of a job in the International FA market as well.
See, TJ?
Your first fear proved to be wrong. Can you relax a little now?
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A little....Next the coaching staff.....Quade should NOT oversee a rebuilding team.
He was terible with the kids this year.
If he had been playing them and developing players in a totally lost season I could maybe see it.
But that did not happen. We saw way too many washed up players playing for ZERO reason.
So does anyone know when this will become final
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 1:55 PM CDT reply actions
Ummm I know that.
I meant if anyone knew an actual time or date not just a snarky reply
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I love not having Jim Hendry as a member of the Cubs
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We need to move on from Quade...
…but how about, instead of just hiring Sandberg, we hire a variety of ex-players who had different skill sets, and have them all manage the team together. With their combined knowledge, they could teach the players so much more than any one person could. It’ll be like a “University of Managers,” if you will. Do it Theo!
But
the Quade era was such a glorious one for the Cubs!
by ddoubleheader on Oct 12, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Life is weird and so is baseball.
Even a few weeks ago, I wouldn’t of dared to dream of this reality. Now it’s really happening. Let’s all start practicing together:
GITERDUNNTHEO!!!!!11
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
T-shirt on the Hecker website...
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by Mapanator on Oct 12, 2011 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He was sighted in a Dunkin Donuts wearing this funny white visor.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Let's hope Theo becomes a poor man's Steve Jobs,
complete with an Act Two for the ages.
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If you think...
Theo Epstein is going to come here and NOT be competitive from the git, you’re extremely naive. Saying something in a presser is fine. However, this man is extremely results oriented and in an expedient fashion. It’s not his personality or his makeup.
Don’t think for a minute the Cubs will have to wait 3 years to be competitive. It starts now and Theo will go get the players to give it the best chance of happening. Obvioulsy this could be done a number of ways so look for big changes this offseason.
Today is one of the happiest days of my life. On my son’s 12th birthday no less. God bless the Chicago cubs and God bless Theo Epstein.
MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
Agreed.
I expect him to turn over at least 25% if not 40-50 of the roster. I’m thinking 85 Wins next year, at least.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 12, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
25 % of last years 40 man roster
Is 10 players… who are these 10 players the Cubs will get rid of and where will they go. Who will fill there place?
This is what worries me about this……..he isn’t a magician and this isn’t fantasy baseball.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Here ya go...
1. Grabow
2. Lopez
3. Ortiz
4. Hill
5. Zambrano
6. Baker
7. DeWitt
8. Ramirez
9. Montanez
10. Soriano
I would do summersaults if that was the case
You didn’t answer part 2 & 3 of my question.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Free agents
About half of that list are free agents anyway. Just don’t resign them.
Z and Soriano are really the only two that could be problematic to get rid of.
Ok...
Part 2 – Anywhere.
Part 3 – Even though some of these guys are already on the 40 man, here are the MLB replacements:
1. Dolis for Grabow
2. Cashner for Lopez
3. Carpenter for Ortiz
4. Castillo or Clevenger for Hill
5. Gorzellany (if non-tendered) for Zambrano
6. I’ll get back to you on Baker
7. DJ for DeWitt
8. Cuddyer (can he play 3rd?) for Ramirez
9. Anyone for Montanez
10. Jackson for Soriano
Oh and I forgot, Fielder for Pena.
You realistically see all this happening during this off season?
So Theo comes in November and by March all these guys are gone? 5 or 6 maybe.
Are you DFA’ing them? Trading them? Sending them back to the minors for others?
What are doing w Sori?
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
Perhaps not realistically – some of it is admittedly wishful thinking.
But to answer your question, the ones who are FA – they would not be resigned. The ones that are arb-eligible (I think Hill/Baker/DeWitt) yes DFA’d. Soriano I would keep if he was going to be part of a LH/RH platoon in LF, otherwise, I’d give him away (paying all or most of his salary) in exchange for a 15-20 spot prospect of an AL team that could use him as DH.
You just proved my point of why I am worried
There are going to a fair amount of people who actually think they you posted.
When it doesn’t happen are going to be upset.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
The Soriano scenario is unrealistic
We aren’t getting that good a prospect for Soriano. And because Soriano is a RH bat, he’d be the short end of the platoon (like 30% of the AB). I can’t see him being effective in such a scenario, and I can’t see that working in the clubhouse.
If he’s here, he’s going to play most of the time in LF. And if he’s gone, he’s either going for someone else’s awful contract or we’re paying nearly all his salary and getting a low-value prospect in return.
By the way
I was in Madison the other weekend on a little bar-hopping excursion – had a great time! Very nice taverns in Madison!
I love it been here over a decade
Great bar’s and places to eat but also a fair amount of nerdiness I love it
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Yep
Its a nice relatively quick trip from the Chicago burbs. I need to get there more often.
Actually, that's not an especially wild list
Many of the moves are internal and only require non-tendering marginal/bad players and replacing them with guys from the farm system. Acquiring Fielder and moving Soriano and Zambrano are the heavy lifting, and that is a matter of $$$$$$.
I'm gonna guess we'll improve from 71 wins...
Going out on a limb, I know…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I heard Keith Moreland on WGN Radio
He said he thought Quade was the guy to manage this team in the future. He can’t possibly think that, right? Has to be keeping the peace as a broadcaster/interviewer, right? Say it isn’t so Zonk!
I heard he took a shower.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
But there was water seen on the floor in Shedd, so it must be true
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
you took a showy and used soapy to no be stinky?
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One thing is true though
If Quade is gone, he got a raw deal. One season with that club is the short end of the straw for sure. Not saying I thought he was any good, or that he’d do better with more experience at the Big League level. Just sayin’, that’s a raw deal if he’s gone.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Oct 12, 2011 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't disagree with letting him finish his contract...
but beyond next year has to be out of the question. Wouldn’t it be something if Sandberg came as the next manager.
He should've tried to be a better manager then.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Oct 12, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
a lifetime minor league manager
Got his chance to manage a Large market team. Change of a lifetime for most minor leaguers and made a good amount of $$ doing it.
I won’t feel a bit sorry for him. For example he could have decided on coaches that were not as inept as he was. Or maybe when he was making some of the same mistakes OVER AND OVER again thought hmm I should maybe try something different.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he really thinks he didn't do anything wrong this past season...
which is the typical mindset of people who are bad at something.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally agree
I think most of us in our real lives knows someone who we wonder that about even worse if we have to work with those people.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think bringing a pregnant possum to the office to give birth is that big of a deal...
you guys need to mind your own business.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't the possum we had a problem with.
You really should have left the skunk at home though.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Oct 13, 2011 7:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Theo and Z
You know Z is done here. I know Z is done here. So does Theo. But if he parlays things right, he can ‘represent’ Z in the rotation. Classic pump and dump. Not that it will get us much, but Z on the roster in late March as a representation of a third starter is okay.
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THEEOO
This is easily the most excited I’ve been about a Theo since Theo Huxtable was throwing down “Baby Baby’s” and “Jammin on the one’s” with Stevie Wonder.
Or wearing the Gordon Gartrell knockoff that Denise made.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Oct 12, 2011 2:59 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You can stop lurking NBF
we all know you’re here. It’s okay to come out.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Along with SenorGato
Hell, bring back the Head and Shoulders side bar too!
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I have all the confidence in the world...
…that Tom Ricketts hired a wise baseball man and that wise baseball man won’t do something so incredibly stupid as to hire Sandberg as manager. Thanks for the plug, tho.
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Not quite
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
WAIT A MINUET, YOU THINK SANDBERG WILL BE THE WRONG MAN TO MANAGE THE CUBS?
PLEASE TELL ME ALL ABOUT THIS NEW EXCITING PERSPECTIVE YOU’VE INTRODUCED HERE ON BCB!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Shorter title: Cool Story Bro
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
why can't you just stop at
“questionable” or “perhaps unwise”
why is it incredibly stupid. You used to be a somewhat reasonable poster with some wild ideas about Kerry Wood.
You’ve turned into a souped up version of Not Bruce Froemming
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Why? Because I don't buy into the "Sandberg the Savior"?
People say they want a “culture change”. A new direction. A new beginning for this organization. Then I see things written like “Sandberg for Manager”…“Maddux for Pitching Coach”. Really? I don’t get it. I’m just not one to buy into the “icon” thing. Hang their jerseys…put a statue up of them…but, move on.
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
I think it's because you don't offer any substance to the anti-Sandberg stance
Much like NBF, it comes across as “he’s no good because I say so”. Although, I will acknowledge that at least you don’t call people that disagree idiots solely because they are disagreeing with you.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you think he won't make a good manager
For the record I am one who last year was happy he wasn’t picked b/c I wanted to see more actual changes than just a manager who was one of my idols as a kid.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Why did you address this to me?
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I hit reply in the wrong place it was suppose to be Ed
Me &my netbook are surrounded by multiple loads of laundry so not paying total attention.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
it was that or
my computer automattically wanted to reply to SB.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And if they're regarded as good managerial candidates, they should just be ignored?
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Exactly.
I don’t think anyone here who believes Sandberg should be manager is doing it for nostalgic reasons.
We believe he should be manager because he is qualified to do the job. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Well, there are people out there who are all about Sandberg for the reasons Easy Ed said.
But not many of those people post here, so there’s no point in using them as a foil.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Are you sure?
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Could you point us to some threads or comments where think kind of thinking is prevelant?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd laugh my ass off if he linked to a comment from Husker
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no clue
I just think it’d be hilarious for the irony of linking to anything THAT DUDE said. And really, that applies to anyone who would get the, “Oh, that guy” label.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I absolutely am sure.
Do they exist? Of course. But it’s easier for you to go on your anti-Sandberg screed if you ignore the rational reasons the vast majority of the Sandberg backers on this side cite.
What you fail to realize is that saying Sandberg should be hired for the sole reason that he was a Cub is as foolish as saying the opposite. It’s too bad.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I'm pretty sure the "culture change" everyone is wanting, and Ricketts has talked about...
has more to do with changing the way the team is run, put together and developed…not simply turning away from everything that ever had anything to do with the Cubs in the past.
Regardless of the overall performance and “culture” of the Chicago Cubs in the past…both Maddux and Sandberg were actually good at baseball AND we’re good teammates and clubhouse leaders. I’m not saying either one would be the best choice for any coaching/manager job for this team…but simply using the “culture change” to automatically void their candidacy is pretty silly.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't believe Sandberg is a savior either.
I also don’t think he’s the worst choice the team could make.
I’m actually unsure. Something you seem unwilling to admit.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Did he also have some crazy ideas about breeding pine trees?
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
My avatar approves of this
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
he is a pine tree
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A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Now I REALLY want Sandberg to get the job
I can’t wait to see how you and NBF react.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Be careful.
It could melt your monitor.
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ESPN is almost comical talking about the Cubs part of this....
Besides the fact that they are over doing it as usual on the Red Sox side.
They also are interviewing some of their talking heads that have no idea what really went on in Chicago…
One of them is even spewing the Sandberg as bench coach to Quade….pretty much lost me there.
Looking forward to hearing from some people who have an idea what they are talking about.
So, TJ ...
did you enjoy your crow sandwich at lunch today? ;)
I kid, I kid. I just think it’s funny that the discussion we had about this was hours before the news broke.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I didnt say it would not happen......Just that I would not be surprised if the Cubs screwed it up.
But yes, as soon as I heard that, I thought of you….lol
That's funny.
I was pinning my hopes on Ricketts being less screw up than new. He clearly leaned too much on Jimbo the past couple years. I’m not usually that optimistic a person, but when Ricketts seemed to be going after big names, I felt better about our chances.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Sandberg as Quade's bench coach
AWKWARD!
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not in a million billion lifetimes.
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Sandberg as a bench coach in Chicago would be trouble period.
Unless he was marked as the heir apparent upon his hiring.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
The second the manager did anything wrong the cries for Ryno would begin.
Recipe for disaster.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Kind of...
The Tim Tebow/Kyle Orton situation in Denver.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
That would have worked under Lou.
Certainly not under Quade.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Oh, I don't know.
Had Sandberg become bench coach in, say, 2009, I think that would have worked.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
If that happened though, it would have been clear that in the next year or two he'd be taking over.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
But that was never going to happen under Hendry.
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Oh, agreed.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
try different channel.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Your problem is that you're watching ESPN
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's impressive you're able to access the Internet from the middle of the Mojave Desert
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I live in Southern Indiana but my cable company does not carry it. I have called them several times!
You shut your mouth
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lets not start a holy war
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Goddammit
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why don't you just put up the link to Google Image
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I always thought he's a piece of shit
so you’ll have to do better than that
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm your dad.
Charlie Weiss is your pederast uncle
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what this thread needed
a rehash of the Nunyabidness/shoemile Family Tree
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Aw snap
forgot about that. Did he get a new Hoverround yet?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He looks thin in that picture.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
hi em
Good news seems to bring everyone out of the woodwork in the off season
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
and our incredible love for a pitcher and certain rookie
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I still follow him although no where near a jessica obsession level
I don’t have any google alerts for him
Hopefully we can have that fun again sometime in fairly near future!
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Bet it will tick you off to know I have it
and NEVER watch it.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
I never watch MLB Network.
But I just turned it on. Next up: How Theo’s gonna put out this dumpster fire!
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I have posted a Theo Epstein poll on the right sidebar.
Please vote.
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I voted Yes
WAIT, what did I vote for?!?
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Judging by their record and performance
No
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
should the Cubs trade Theo for Ozzie Guillen and promote him to GM
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Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
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Konerko should be the Cubs manager
as he plays for the ChiSox.
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I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
As a Cardinal fan I am happy for you guys
The rivalry just isn’t the same when you guys are no good. I also like your guys fans a lot more than the Reds and Brewers.
I have to say...
… I’ve always respected Cardinals fans. Great rivalry and (generally) civil.
Reds & Brewers, I also agree. Not so much.
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Agreed
Cardinal fans are usually cool. Now their manager, on the other hand . . .
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Feeling is mutual
It’s like the Bears/Packers. Hated rivals on the field, mutual respect and admiration off the field.
btw, please beat the Brewers.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
Bears/Packers aren't exactly hated rivals on the field anymore though
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure they are.
Why would you say they’re not?
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They just aren't anymore
or at least it isn’t anything like it was more than 10 years ago.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
All divisional opponents are hated rivals on the field.
Packers just a little more so because of all the history.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
Yep, we're all lovie these days
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Urlacher will tell you differently.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 13, 2011 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Still would have wanted Friedman
He’s building a solid team through shrewd moves, not just big FA signings.
Yes Theo did great things for 2004-2007 and for that he should be commended. However, the last 5 years of BoSox payroll has averaged a couple million more than the all-time highest Cubs payroll.
Is Ricketts going to give Theo the green light to push the Cubs payroll north of $150M ??
Just win the next game...!
Is Ricketts going to give Theo the green light to push the Cubs payroll north of $150M ??
Probably not. And as we have learned, just spending money doesn’t guarantee you anything.
Payroll rankings of teams left in this year’s postseason:
Detroit: 10
St. Louis: 11
Texas: 13
Milwaukee: 17
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To be immediately competitive ...
like in 2012, the Cubs probably would need a payroll close to $150 million. I know, I know — anything can happen. But with $50 million tied up in Soriano, Zambrano and Dempster …
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Really?
You don’t think Theo could make this team competitive without spending a fortune?
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Not next year.
Too much to be replaced.
He could make them competitive in a few years without breaking the bank
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not in 2012, agreed
by 2013 and 2014, absolutely.
I feel the same way...
…though I’m certainly open to Theo wowing me — and not just with his good looks.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Yeah, I certainly won't complain if he could pull it off
I just don’t think it’s at all realistic.
That's the thing
Epstein’s job is to successfully run a GM. Not work a miracle in the next 12 months.
I’d consider it very unlikely that we field a really competitive team in 2012 without breaking the bank. I think he could do it by 2013 and beyond, though.
by SouthernCub on Oct 12, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cliche warning
this is a marathon, not a sprint.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You know why I hate that analogy?
Because when it’s being used it’s almost always when a team is already 10 games out of first by the end of April. What people COMPLETELY ignore about marathons, is that while you don’t need to start out in first place, you are rarely going to finish out dead last and still win the thing.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And I'm not saying YOU do that.
It’s just when people say that, it drives me effing bonkers.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
You know...
I was thinking that at first and I agree with that, so when you read my response below, don’t take it as anything other than me elaborating
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why I said it in reference to the issue of being competitive in 2012
Could it happen? Sure, but I’d rather see thm start positioning themselves to be relevant in 2013 and beyond, only because I feel that making this team into something good next year could mean mortgaging the future somewhat.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah...so then...answer me this, Mr. Wizard...
…why would you want to waste a year of Sandberg managing a team who we ALL know will pretty much mirror the 2011 team, next year? Wouldn’t Sandberg sitting next to Charlie in Phillie and LEARNING, be a better move than to toss him into a losing situation?
The solution…keep Quade. If he STILL sucks (which he will) then shitcan him at the 1/2 way mark of the season…then see if Francona is ready to resume his career. If not, bring in Sandberg.
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
If you have to actually think that Quade may still suck next year
then you have no fucking clue. Francona is also mentally and physically drained and it’s going to take him a lot longer than a year to recover from everything that pushed him to leave Boston. And if you’re going to wait that long, then you may as well make a play for Joe Maddon.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Profanity not needed nor appreciated.
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I'll refrain from saying things like "Quade" from here on out
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...my bad...PhD?
You’ve had Francona on your “couch”? You’ve picked his brain and you’ve come to that conclusion on your own? I had no idea. Well then, you’re absolutely correct and I was wrong…my bad.
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
I didn't realize saying he's mentally and physically drained
based off the man himself saying and alluding to the fact he’s drained and wanting a year off equated to me be a psychologist.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
As you may know...or not...
professional athletes…or in this case, manager, tend to say how they look forward to getting away from “it”. Then, when they ARE away from “it”, they really miss it and ultimately change their minds. It’s happened…honest. You can look it up.
"When I came up to bat with three men on and two outs in the ninth, I looked in the other team's dugout and they were already in street clothes." - Bob Uecker
Still waiting on those names of people here
who want Sandberg as manager with nostalgia being the sole reason for that.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd even accept PRIMARY reason
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Which, incidentally, would make you PsyD, not PhD
But I digress…
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Was writing the same thing.
In my mind, the Cubs need to middle order bats (probably at first and third) and two good starters to really be competitive — not .500 competitive — in 2012. Unless we go all 2007, that won’t happen.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Not without signing Fielder and a few pitchers.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I hate these types of statements
In any given season, a team with a middling payroll can win. Over the course of 5-10 seasons, the teams with the higher payrolls are generally the ones who are consistently in the mix.
There are occasional exceptions (the AL Central which is mostly mid/small budget teams, and Tampa). But year in and year out, it’s better to be the Yankees, Phillies, and Red Sox than the Marlins, Athletics, and Pirates.
Add a couple rotting corpses named Soriano and Zambrano to their payroll...
and see where they rank.
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by jameslcrockett on Oct 13, 2011 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Theo has drafted well
Pedroia, Elsbury, Papelbon, Bard, Buchholz, Lowry, etc. And they did this picking late in the first round, not at the beginning of t he first round like Tampa did.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Great move but it's just the beginning
This is the best we could have hoped for. Ricketts has to start somewhere, and this is as good a first step as you can get. Thank God he went for the best and did not settle. After almost a decade of Jim Hendry, settling for mediocrity was the norm. This is a deep breath of fresh air.
Very eager to see what Epstein has up his sleeve for dealing with this disaster of a team.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
Yeah.
I love the NFL and College Football whenever the Cubs aren’t playing. I love one thing about ESPN, and that’s Mike and Mike in the Morning (which actually is a radio show that also airs on ESPN2).
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
I dont
I honestly haven’t watched or listened to yespnesn since 2008. I refuse to listen to their east coast biased bullshit (sorry Al, I had to swear).
only MNF.
You can get by with sportsline, NFL and MLB networks alone.
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by TheBeerBaron on Oct 12, 2011 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Dan LeBatard's new show is by far the worst thing they've ever done.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Dan LeBatard has a farking show?
Jeebus. I though Cowherd was bad, but at least they mixed that rat face fink with a super hotty who actually has a brain in her head.
but LeBastard?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He's on the block of hell
It’s his show, then I think Sportsnation (which is only saved by Michelle Beadle), and then Rome is Burning. That’s 90 minutes no one wants to watch.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The thing with Cowherd's show is, I get why people watch it.
It’s bad, but like you said, there’s a hot chick, and then they show dunk videos or whatever. It has appeal to the less than intelligent.
But LeBatard’s show is just flat out boring. It’s him and his Dad sitting at a table and talking. It’s awful.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
You're not serious. He doesn't really hang with his dad does he?
Full disclosure, I stopped watching anything on ESPN other than college football games about the same time MLB Network launched
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
And his Dad’s English isn’t all that stellar either, which makes it even worse. I rarely watch anything on ESPN besides live sporting events, but figured I’d watch today because of the Theo news.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
See, I think Le Batard is doing satire
He’s trying to be the Craig Ferguson of ESPN. Go completely the opposite direction from the increasing Bristolness and be bizzare in the other direction.
This opinion is reinforced because it was the guy who put PTI on the air who helped created this show.
I kind of like Papi.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Oct 12, 2011 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I will watch the documentaries whenever they're airing
and if I flip across and a late SC is on when Scott Van Pelt, I’ll probably leave that on, but other than college football and the one time a year I’ll watch Sunday Countdown, I have no idea what else is on that channel now.
“Those Guys Have All The Fun” really illustrates the “what the hell is even on ESPN now, anyway” question. Awesome book.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 12, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Rome
and Around the Horn are everything that is wrong with ESPN. Also, that morning show with the twit from the Denver newspaper.
DEJESUS!!!
I really liked ATH and PTI when they came out
But over time they became nothing more than whatever they’re going to talk about on SC. Same topics, same points, same opinions.
Tom Ricketts doesn't give a tinker's dam what I think....
…but let the record show that he has redeemed himself in eyes with the Theo Epstein hiring.
This is the best organizational move since Dallas Green was hired in 1981. It is a huge relief having a younger, more analytic mindset running the show and dictating the organizational philosophy.
I’m still giving it three years before the Cubs are true pennant contenders, but if they want to get there before then it’s OK with me.
::goes back to blaring ‘Walkin’ On Sunshine’ full blast on iPod::
An opposing fans viewpoint
(Cardinals, I know I know) This is a fantastic move for the Cubs, and the thing I least wanted to happen. You get a guy like Theo who has had some fantastic drafts in Boston, and made some spectacular trades, and pair that with the Cubs ability to spend, and that spells bad news for the rest of the Central.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Better win it all while you can.
Speaking of which, good luck tonight.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Appreciate it
Good luck this offseason. Hopefully ya’ll can get rid of Zambrano, and Soriano.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Due to your kindness and civility, we'll give them to you free of charge.
Seeya Jimbo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Thank you
But after DeRosa(Injuries) and theriot(inability to field) I’d pass. That doesn’t mean Mozeliak would though lol.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
You are being REALLY kind
if the only thing you’re hanging on Theriot is an inability to field…
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he does have a few
uses at the plate. I believe he hits lefties alright. it’s just that his fielding and throwing………….words do not suffice.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
I was thinking about his basrunning, too.
It’s, well . . . not good.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We've trotted out
Corey Patterson, and Skip Schumaker this season. So mediocre baserunning is par for the course.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Ah, 5-tool Corey Patterson
We hardly knew ye.
I think Hendry screwed him up a bit. He never really adjusted in the minors and kept getting promoted anyway.
Although 2003 was his breakout year until he got hurt.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to be unkind
But I feel like the cubs kind of messed up both Patterson, and Pie.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
No argument here
Maybe neither would have been any better than they have been, but I don’t think that they were handled well. Patterson, I’ve already mentioned. Pie – wasn’t really given an extended opportunity.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It is what it is
I just thought it was odd for a franchise to have highly touted players, at the same position(Odder than when pitchers do it anyhow), basically flame out, almost back to back.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
What I don't like is that the organization touted a lot of the players themselves
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Played it up
As a wait till random player gets here?
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Something like that
Lots of publicity in their own newsletter, inviting prospects to the fan convention, things like that.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Never bothered to "develop" either one
Patterson arrived in MLB with a strke zone as big as all outdoors – it was just a matter of time before pitchers figured out he would swing at anything. Pie was a fast, skinny guy with a really long swing. Teach him a compact swing to put balls in play and he could have reached base with his speed.
What? You don't love DeRosa & Theriot... Why, why... I'm shocked... ;-)
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Actually, I hope you
guys lose.
Bad luck tonight.
But I wish you and your family the best in every other matter – unless, of course you like the Packers as well.
GO BREWERS!
Ha
I’m a Bills fan in football. Long,long,story. lol
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
One thing I've been wanting to ask a Cards fan...
…and I hope this isn’t a dumb question but: Is there any chance Adam Wainwright would be ready for the World Series?
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
As far as I'm aware no.
Honestly the first i’ve thought of it. But given my druthers I’d rather wait, and have Wainwright for a whole year, than rush him back. A whole season of Wainwright is worth more to me than one series. Even if it is for all the marbles.
The player I would like least at #9 would be my sister’s cat, Captain Creamsicle. She does have a great work ethic and agility, but I’m really concerned that at 9 lbs., she’s too small to play safety in the NFL. She also bites way too often on play action and is easily distracted by someone waving string in the crowd. Lastly, her wonderlic score was pretty awful, answering "meow meow meow" for most of the questions- Dr. Brackish Okun
Make sense.
I think I heard that he pitched a side session recently, and it would be quite a dramatic story if he did get a start in the 2011 postseason. But you’re probably right in playing it safe with his health.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Go Pack Go
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
5-0
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't doubt it
The Thanksgiving game is going to be bigger than people thought
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
?
Not sure what happened there
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Never mind..
It posted twice at first with only the subject line. Now it’s fixed
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Duncan
would turn Zambrano into a #1 and Tony would insist that Sori would use a bat that he can control. Be careful what you wish for :)
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
I see some epic series in the future....
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
On a purely selfish note
I think it will be a lot easier to sell my extra season tickets.
Thanks Theo
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
You can buy him a nice Hanukkah gift!
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Perhaps a $20 gift certificate for Starbucks
I wonder if the fact that there is one directly across from Wrigley played a role in his signing. Theo is apparently a Starbucks guy.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 12, 2011 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
No
It’s $18 for Hanukkah.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 12, 2011 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone attending Theo's introductory press conference...
…MUST ask whether that was him at the Starbuck’s on Sunday (or was it Saturday). Not knowing for sure is killing me!
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Tell you what.
If I’m invited to the n/c, and if no one else asks, I will.
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But will he answer truthfully?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'd think so.
It would be a good laugh line.
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If I were Theo, I'd just smile for a moment and say nothing...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Thank you.
I hope he says no just so Paul Sullivan suffers further embarrassment.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Only if he's reasonably certain that it really was Theo.
Otherwise, he’s going to look pretty silly for writing that article. (Or should I say “sillier.”)
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
interestingly
Sullivan referenced his own report in a later article where he talked about the news of Epstein coming. So it wasn’t a satirical or tongue in cheek article. He actually wrote a whole article based on some fanboy seeing what he thought was Epstein at Starbucks as evidence that Epstein was in Chicago for an interview.
It may have been true, but it was an incredibly lame article.
DEJESUS!!!
I don't see why
it will be any easier in the short term.
They are a couple years away from fielding competitive teams.
Theo has many, many holes to fill on the North Side.
I am still planning
on having to eat many of my season tix games as I have the last three years.
I HOPE not – but Theo can only do so much in his first year.
I wonder how many people who were considering giving up their tix will change their mind?
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It is an excellent question
and the fact is, many of us are addicts no different than other addicts.
There is always, the next game, next month, next year.
The constant in my lifetime has been failure – yet I have not been able to walk away.
I am considering paring down from 4 to 2 seats however.
we went to one game
but that is b/c bf’s dad is sox fan and his parents paid for our tix. Other than that this year we spent $0 on the Cubs. We did get the @ bat app.
Although we still spent about as much time as usual listening to them. So that part still addicts.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 12, 2011 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Just what I'm talking about
and it is challenging being a sth these days. Unless you can go to every game the the founder of this Blog, or the loss of income doesn’t matter.
I bought in in 2004 and all I wanted was to break even.
Not any more.
peter gammons said on MLB network that epstein felt suffocated in boston
and struggled to go out with his family without being recognized. obviously Purple Shirt-Gate was a test to see how many Chicagoans knew who he was!
PS. woohoo!
I'm a happy panda.
I promise to leave him alone
Should I see him at Starbucks
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 12, 2011 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
So does that make Larry Lucchino
“The Boston Strangler”?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
peter gammons said on MLB network that epstein felt suffocated in boston and struggled to go out with his family without being recognized.
And he thinks if he’s successful in Chicago, this won’t happen here? Of course it will.
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It's not quite the same level, I don't think.
The Cubs aren’t the No. 1 sports team in Chicago. And while this isn’t Kansas City, Boston is matched only by New York in terms of pressure.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I thought the same, butttt.....
Todd Walker was on Waddle/Silvy yesterday and here’s just a little of what he said.
“The Cubs got a little taste of winning and they have a little feeling for it, so now there is a little Boston feeling that ‘Man, we just want to win,’” Walker said. “So yes, absolutely, Theo understands that, because he came from Boston. There is no greater pressure cooker than New York or Boston. And so I think he’s set up for success, and I think he’ll do well.”
I disagree.
Especially in recent years. Remember, Chicago has or had a number of nationally recognized d-bag sportswriters.
That’s where I see the most pressure originating. People still read about sports. They still believe what they read about sports. With all the alarmist, looking-for-an-immediate-savior sportswriters out there, I think Chicago sports culture has become more like the bad side of Boston sports culture than I’d like to admit. Most of us in the BCB community recognize these inciters for what they are, but there are a lot of people out there who want to jump on the panic bandwagon.
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
He's already being recognized at Starbucks.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
One person has voted no on the poll.
Maybe Friedman wanted the gig after all.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Or Jim Hendry just rolled out of bed and booted up his laptop.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
LOL That's funny!
Poor Jimbo. (I promise not to make a fat joke). Just to see him yawn and stretch as the crumbs roll off his Juan Pierre jersey.
MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT ALREADY. THIS GAME IS ABOUT ADJUSTMENTS.
by MaTheMeatloaf on Oct 12, 2011 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
(I promise not to make a fat joke).
And then you did anyway.
Just to see him yawn and stretch as the crumbs roll off his Juan Pierre jersey.
Sigh.
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Not sure if that qualifies as a fat joke.
Thin people can yawn, stretch, and have crumbs on their Juan Pierre jerseys, too.
by Flatley on Oct 13, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
More like he just rolled off the golf course.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
One benefit already from the signing of Epstein
We no longer have to read “Billy Beane: The man, The Myth, The Legend” posts.
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by troutfishin on Oct 12, 2011 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, there aren't any more of them.
But if there were, I’d post them anyway. They’re still an interesting look into a major league general manager.
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What a great day!!
Cubs reportedly agreed to a deal with Epstein
iOS 5 is released
iCloud is public
My new OS X lion Mac Mini Server is delivered!!!
Gr8 day
until you try to install them
Error 3200 and Installing iOS 5 are both trending on Twitter for good reason ;-)
Huh.
Had no trouble installing it on my iPad.
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Apple Servers are very slow today
No wonder all 100 million+ iOS devices, millions of Macs hitting them hard today.
I am downloading OS X 10.7.2 for my new server and it’s taking around 6 hours to download 800 MB!!
It should free up tonight.
Can you come to New York and help me with my Mac?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 12, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Come to the convention early
I’ll have my 12 year old nephew fix it.
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by Shanghai Badger on Oct 12, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Great day for the Cubs and Cubs fans
Welcome to Chicago, Theo Epstein! And thank you, Tom Ricketts! Let’s hope that a new manager and coaching staff is next on the agenda.
From Peter Gammons:
As for the matter of compensation, Gammons says that he could see the Red Sox receiving someone like 23-year-old center fielder Brett Jackson.
This had better not happen. Not in a million years.
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Civil War - I'm with Lowell
I've heard Jay Jackson
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Sounds like pure speculation to me.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
And ridiculous,
the Cubs should give them cash or a mid-level prospect (or two), nothing more.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
DJ LeMahieu, Ryan Flaherty or Jay Jackson would be fine..
Once we start talking about Brett Jackson (who actually, is a player that fits Epstein’s type), I start to get nervous.
Then again, I take as much stock into Gammons as I do my 5 year old cousin.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
Unfortunately, it's not as ridiculous as you might think
The compensation for Billy Beane going to Boston was alleged to be Kevin Youkilis.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 12, 2011 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
A Kevin Youkilis
that had just finished a season in High A Ball.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
2002?
he played in a, A+, and AA. And he was already in Moneyball. Not exactly an unknown quantity.
Brett Jackson may be high. But I’m ready to see that as a possibility.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 12, 2011 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me?
He’d played a quarter season in AA.
And to say he was “already in Moneyball” is pretty silly since we know that Youkilis was discussed as compensation from Moneyball.
Youkilis was the Red Sox #3 prospect after the 2002 season. Jackson is our #1 prospect.
If it’s Jackson, I’m prepared to say this was a dumb move hiring Epstein.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 12, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Depending on the system and the year
A Cubs #1 could be somebody else’s #3.
And from Moneyball, we know that Beane had an interest in Youkilis. I don’t remember the exact dates from the book, but it would have been either the 2002 or 2001 seasons.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 12, 2011 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Lawyered!
“And to say he was "already in Moneyball" is pretty silly since we know that Youkilis was discussed as compensation from Moneyball.”
Nice work Josh
DEJESUS!!!
I think we might have a discrepancy here
In Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game, published in May 2003, there are 5 reference pages to Youkilis. I checked in Google Books.
In Moneyball, published in August, 2011, there are 5 reference pages to Youkilis – here.
In Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game, I don’t think Billiy Beane going to the Red Sox is not discussed.
Check the editions. the 2003 version is 288 pages. The 2011 version is 317 pages.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 14, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
meant to say
In Moneyball, published in August, 2011, there are 6 reference pages to Youkilis – here.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 14, 2011 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I know B-Jax isn’t necessarily a can’t-miss prospect who will need to clear shelf space for all his MVPs and Silver Sluggers and Gold Gloves, but really DON’T TRADE HIM! I’d rather have Brett and Theo. Am I crazy? I just want to see what he can become. Plus, Theo going to be THAT much better than any other GM we would hire?
In my lifetime please!
WHAT NUMBER IS THEO GOING TO WEAR!!
I WANT TO PREORDER IT!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
√n
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder when the press conference will be...
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
I heard it's at Starbucks.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
ironic isn't it
What appears to be a likely report that Epstein and spouse were in Chicago and Wrigley last weekend and you still mock it.
This is how these things take place. But now with the power of social networking staying under the radar is more difficult.
So smog, so self righteous, so self-important.
Here is the simple deal. Ricketts and family has done what many thought was impossible. He hired a genuine talent at the GM level. It appears he raided a standard bearer organization at a time when it was in turmoil. It remains to be seen as at what cost but I gather is that Boston’s owners, emotional and smitten that this year did not materialize was happy to be relieved of their leadership. Cubs organization benefited.
As for the presser and other stage crafts that is inconsequential even if he goes and visits the Starbucks and even has his first Sullivan interview there, Cubs got a real talent.
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
I cannot wait for the press conference
I am going to be in the Bahamas for vacation but will find a way to watch it.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
This thread is getting VERY slow.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
hiring a reject from the blowsox
at the absolute low point of his career. oh well, here’s hoping it all works out…
His low point is losing out of the playoffs by one game.
I think we all would have taken that this season. Was the collapse his fault, partially, but so was the consistent winning and two world series. Custer, who would you prefer? The only other one I would have considered is Friedman.
Says the guy who still believes Aaron Heilman is a good major league pitcher
by Nunyabidness on Oct 12, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i still support
heilman. he is in the pirates’ org now
by brian custer on Oct 12, 2011 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions
in non-THEEEOOOOOOOO news
aramis is demanding a multi year contract
“I’ll head to free agency if they don’t give me a contract of several years,” Ramirez said. “I’m going to wait and see what the team does. Otherwise, I’m going to leave Chicago.”
see ya, aramis, anaheim is thataway
I'm a happy panda.
his NTC would not matter
he is 10/5 take it or leave it, same thing
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A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Either way, the point stands. Ramirez is probably on his way out of Chicago.
Or, let’s hope. This is a move that should have happened already.
"Hey Hey, Holy mackerel, no doubt about it,!"
by scottsdalecubs on Oct 12, 2011 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
as long as we get a draft pick
or two. Alas, Theo knows this.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
can't take away his no-trade rights
He has 10/5 veto power on any trade anyway as long as he stays with the Cubs. That NTC has been irrelevant for a few years now.
i might offer 2 with an option 3rd
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Who replaces him?
Very few 3B with more production and none that are available.
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by Section 312 on Oct 12, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
it'll be a steep decline in production at 3B without him
next year would likely have to be a platoon of in-house options. 2013 it might be Vitters. Neither of which are likely to come anywhere close to what Ramirez will do. The hope would be that we could find more production at another spot with the money saved on Ramirez.
It likely will also be a steep decline in production WITH him if you sign a multi-year deal.
He’ll be 34 next season. I think most people I’ve read on BCB will be happy if the team exercises the option and overpays him for one year at $16mm. But he says he’s going to turn that down, and with good reason. He knows that going year-to-year would mean he’d have to produce at 34 to get another contract at 35, 36, 37, etc., and the odds of that production occuring decrease as time goes on.
He could be a productive player for several years to come. But it’s highly unlikely that at age 36 or 37 he’ll be a good investment if you’re still paying him $13 – $15 mm per season.
by Orval Overall on Oct 13, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
If he means two, and the price is reasonable, than go for it.
by Orval Overall on Oct 13, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
The stupid Jordan ad
at the top is causing the page to not load properly for me. I get nothing on the right side of the page.
The ads wreak havoc for me at work.
I can’t read the comments with them there. Thankfully I was able to download Firefox there and it didn’t have the same problems as IE did.
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by Rusty in Peoria on Oct 12, 2011 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
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Tell them what happened.
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Thrilled with the hiring
Tribune’s White Sox beat reporter joins in with Sullivans usual brilliance and states that San Diego’s old travel secretary give’s Theo the thumbs up or something to that affect. Ricketts has already displayed a nice balance of patience and aggressiveness. Stood back and analyzed organization top to bottom in his first year. Second year he limited Hendry’s free agent budget, pushed for Wrigley Field funding, secured new Spring Training complex, bought acreage in the DR to build a state of the art complex and opened the pursestrings on amateur signings. Now he hire’s one of the best GM’s in baseball. Am I dreaming, Blackhawks and Bulls will consistent contenders, get on board Angelo
You misspelled 'Get off the team Angelo'
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by NobodySpecial on Oct 13, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Epstein is the new GM?
Is he bringing all the other sweathogs with him?
Dear Mr. Kenny:
Theo can’t sign Mr. Pujols or Mr. Fielder today. He has a case of the Ricketts.
Signed,
Theo Epstein’s Mother.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion? (Now #8452 in the Cubs Season Ticket Wait List...)
How cool would it be
to have a guy named “Boom Boom” Washington to hit cleanup?
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
The Angels
have gotten permission to talk to two members of the Yankees front office about their GM job.
Makes sense. Tom Ricketts has made it clear that he admires the Red Sox organization, so he hires Theo Epstein. Arte Moreno has made it clear that he admires the Yankees organization and goes after assistants to Brian Cashman, since Cashman won’t leave the Yankees—at least not for a job where he’ll have to defer to Mike Scioscia a lot.
No
Compensation to Boston has yet to be discussed.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 13, 2011 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw Moneyball last night
1. If my daughter ever makes me a CD of her singing and playing guitar like in the movie, I will never stop crying.
2. The most comforting part of the movie, for me, is that everyone thought that the A’s would be devastated by the loss of Giambi, Damon, etc, and that they wouldn’t be competitive for years. But they made shrewd moves and won 100 games that year, including 20 in a row.
Most people thing the Cubs are a few years away, because they don’t have talent in the minors and they don’t have a bunch of superstars coming in. But unlike in the Hendry era, we have one of the smartest guys in the room. Maybe, just maybe he’ll be able to coddle together a team that plays better baseball and wins games sooner than we think.
DEJESUS!!!
And maybe he'll be able to turn Garza, Dempster and Wells into Hudson, Zito and Mulder?
Anything can happen, but unless Theo pulls some magic rabbit out of his hat, you should be realistic not expect much more than a 5-7 game increase in wins next year, and that’s if most everything goes right.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 13, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I am generally
not an optimist when it comes to the Cubs, usually because I have had no faith in management. But for this off-season, I choose to believe that anything can happen.
DEJESUS!!!
to be completely honest, i kinda expect more.
I mean as far as the roster i could see that making up for 5-7 games. But with a new manager and new attitude I could see it being more then that. Still not in playoff contention, but flirting with .500
so 10 games? Ok, I can see that happening.....but more than that would be an outlier
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 13, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
No, and the group that isn't is slowly growing larger and stronger....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 14, 2011 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya I would expect better this year
The did a terrible job filling the 4th and 5th starter spot. Wells and Cashner were disappointing too. Marmol cost us way to many games. Most projections had the cubs closer to 80 than 70 wins.
Another weird anomaly was that our pitchers were terrible at defense and led with errors.
I really hope the next manager can fix the bone headed mistakes that cost us so many runs.
I really hope that they can improve to close to .500 in 2012 and build a winner in 2013.
Just a nothing post
To get this past 666. I don’t want anything supernatural to derail this now!
Guess we think alike.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
by katie casey on Oct 13, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
667th comment.
Don’t want this thread to be evil.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Depending on your interpretation
616 has also been cited as the number and not 666. But we’re long past that now…
interesting
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
by katie casey on Oct 13, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I've written a long piece about Theo and the Cubs.
It’s on the front page as a fanshot — I wrote it originally for Baseball Nation.
Please read, then use it for further comments.
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Where’s the coverage for this story Al?
by Tinkers-Evers-Chance on Oct 14, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
I hope this was intended as a joke.
Even at that, it wasn’t funny.
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