It's Official: Theo Epstein Is Cubs President Of Baseball Operations
by Al Yellon on Oct 21, 2011 9:07 PM CDT
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A press release was just issued by both the Red Sox and Cubs. Our nine-day odyssey is over. Welcome, Theo Epstein. Here is the complete text of the release:
The Boston Red Sox and the Chicago Cubs jointly announce this evening that, effective immediately, Theo Epstein has resigned from the Red Sox in order to become the new President of Baseball Operations for the Cubs. The Clubs also have reached an agreement regarding a process by which appropriate compensation will be determined for the Red Sox and that issue will be resolved in the near term.
Both the Red Sox and the Cubs intend to hold press events on Tuesday, October 25 during which the Cubs intend to announce Mr. Epstein, and the Red Sox intend to announce his successor as General Manager.
Out of respect for the World Series, both clubs have agreed to forego further comment until Tuesday, the next scheduled non-game day. Further information on each club's media availability for Tuesday will be distributed on Monday.
This is, of course, outstanding news and I assume that Theo (and Jed Hoyer, who is expected to join the Cubs as Theo's second-in-command with the title of general manager) will be ready to get right to work improving the Cubs baseball organization.
As I always say: Discuss amongst yourselves. No word on whether he'll stop at Starbucks before the news conference.
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No word on whetherhe’ll stopthey will hold the press conference at Starbucksbefore the news conferenceor not.
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
There's one right across the street from Wrigley.
It would be very convenient.
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GETITDONETHEO
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
I wonder if part of the deal would be
To change it to a Dunkin Donuts. Y’know, just to make it feel more like home
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
probably more comfortable than the media room at Wrigley
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
They are likely to have this news conference...
… either at the Captain Morgan Club (which is where they held the n/c when the Ricketts took over the team) or the Stadium Club, where they hold most news conferences for trades, free agent signings, etc.
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If Ricketts had a wicked sense of humah...
He’d have it in the club house and have beer and fried chicken brought in.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Seriously,
how are you still here?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 21, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Finally.
Let’s move on and get going.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Oct 21, 2011 9:10 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Love this
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
IT'S HAPPENING HOLY CRAP
Holy
Crap
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
---
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Oct 21, 2011 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
GETERDONETHEO
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I WANTS PUJOLS AND FIELDER
And most importantly
LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIND!!!!
#It’sHappening!
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I am still hoping that Lou Brock kid pans out for us
but i am worried, josh never talks about him, i hope i am not over valuing him
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
or a All Star Catcher
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Why a non-functional hashtag on BCB?
by stuartscottslefteye on Oct 22, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
#HashtagsRool
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
we have a lot of other non-functional stuff on BCB
what’s one more?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Makes me wonder
if Bud didn’t say something to both clubs to get it done.
Especially based on yesterdays comments on the radio.
I also wonder if he might have told Lovable Larry to stow his attitude and get the deal done before he did have to step in.
Either way, I’m glad it’s done, and look forward to a brighter future for the Cubs.
if Bud didn’t say something to both clubs to get it done.
I have a feeling that he did. The statement kind of reads that way.
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Just seems
far too likely…especially during WS…
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Note that the compensation issue remains open.
Bud didn’t want this to be an hour’s worth of conversation if one of the games becomes a blowout this weekend.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly is right
Bud doesn’t want announcements distracting from the World Series. But of course, the longer this went on the longer it became a distraction.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Bud said
get this done. If you can’t get it done, I’ll arbitrate.
But the more important thing is now Theo is negotiating with Ben Cherington rather than Crane Kenney negotiating with Larry Lucchino.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
I totally second that
At least Theo knows how to negotiate, instead of announce, “Oh, We have Theo and signed him to a contract” to the world, and have nothing worked out with the Sox.
I wonder who that was??
A baseball mind in a baseball position, I’m eager to see the moves made in the next few months. :)
It looks like Boston was given a list
of players to choose from. In that case there probably won’t be any negotiating done.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
Correction
The list of players was given to the Pads, not the Red Sox.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
If that's true, then kudos to Bud Selig.
Still not a fan, but have to give credit where credit is due. I was starting to wonder if the NBA lockout would get done before this deal.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
More stunning analysis from the head of BCB.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 4:10 AM CDT up reply actions
What is your problem?
Are you here just to snark and bash everything I say?
Because if that’s so, you’re going to be asked to leave.
Think about it.
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true that
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 22, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
What's to think about?
If you truly consider yourself a member of the media, or a reporter, or whatever, then you are subject to the same comments I would give them, and subject to the same treatment you give writers about the Cubs who you disagree with (calling them idiots.) I happen to think a lot of your posts are crap. If you want to ask me to leave, do so. Or perhaps give me a stern warning written in all caps like you do so many others and then do nothing more about it. I behave ten times better on this board than some of your other members. I follow your rules, I would say anything I’ve posted on here to your face. I haven’t made any personal insults (unlike some who have come to your defense after a few of my posts… to which you do nothing, I might add.) So ya, you don’t want my clicks, just bring out the banhammer.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Your post added nothing to the discussion.
If you disagree with me, do it intelligently and say why.
If you don’t like what I write, what are you doing here in the first place?
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Might I suggest that trying to have a discussion with an obvious troll is pointless
Just banhammer him and get it over with.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Bud did something good????
Wow
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Oct 22, 2011 6:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I see a little silhouette of a man
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 22, 2011 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Scaramouch Scaramouch
Will you do the fandango?
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!!!
GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Oct 22, 2011 1:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Send a bolt of lightning
Very very frightening me.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Oct 22, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Galileo....
(Galileo), Figaro, Magnifico…
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Oct 22, 2011 1:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am so
excited about where this club is going to be in a few years. I just hope we as a fan base can be patient and give him a chance to show us what having a long-term plan looks like.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
by tomas21 on Oct 21, 2011 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
I can't imagine Mike Quade coming back in 2012.
I know who I want as manager, but I’ll keep quiet about it. All I know is that I don’t want Quade back in 2012. The team needs a new voice.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we're pretty much all agreed here...
… that Quade needs to be replaced.
It’s just the name of the replacement on which some of us disagree. :)
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by Al Yellon on Oct 21, 2011 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Martinez, Sandberg, Quade!
The College of Coaches is coming back, baby!
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like we're getting a College of Executives instead.
I think this one will work out better.
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The Stat Pack
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, they put the band back together!
It’s like “Ocean’s 14” or something.
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If you just invented that
well done sir. If you didn’t, thank you for bringing it to my attention. That’s the perfect nickname for the new front office.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
Why he's not a blues singer
with that name, I’ll never know.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
The way Marmol pitched this year
he might have been singing the blues out there
“I woke up dis moooonin, an my closer wuz gooooooone”
actually I know someone who thinks we should keep Q
by LT on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Finally
Must have been these letters that sealed the deal
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Of course we still haven't agreed on compensation
But now Theo will negotiate for us. And Bud will mediate if they can’t come to an agreement.
And we toss in Byrd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Yes!!!!
Love this plan! (Where’s all your !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!s? Savin em for the regular season????)
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Mine too!!!!
(As soon as I got older n fatter!!!) :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Ya think?!
Yes, yes…of course you’re right. It won’t be long now…
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Can you imagine the look on NBF's face...
…when Theo announces at press conference that Ryno will be manager?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Silly uber!
It won’t blow up that fast! :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
You can't slow down
the EXCITEMENT!!! :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
It's a
process!!! :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
I'm more curious to see the looks on faces
if he doesn’t. Which is equally possible, if not more so.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 22, 2011 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Just my guess..
But if Epstein doesn’t bring in Sandberg for an interview, there will be grumbling – but by and large people will trust Epstein’s judgement.
But if Ryno interviews and is passed over again, then I think people will view it as (another) insult to a franchise icon. Not that I’m saying that Theo shouldn’t be able to interview Ryno and decide ‘no’ – just that the BCB/diehard fan crowd won’t like it.
I don’t know if Theo spoke to Ryno when he was considering him for the Pawtucket(?) job or not.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Sandberg
is the type of guy that Epstein would want to hire. He’s not likely to go for a headstrong experienced manager like Bobby Valentine—he’s going to want someone who is a team player and who will get with the program. He’s also going to want to hire someone familiar with player development, and there isn’t any candidate more familiar with the Cubs farm system.
Having said that, Mike Quade also fits that description. But I can’t believe he’s going to keep Quade.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think what we're seeing here is an organizational shake-up from top to bottom. Quade doesn't fit in with the new organization. He's part of the old regime. He has to go.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
crazy thought
any chance Quade would take a demotion as a bench coach and could be part of Sandberg’s staff
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Right.
He’ll become a scout, or minor league coordinator, or something. I suppose some other team might hire him as a coach.
Say, I hear the Red Sox are looking for a new manager.
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I did not want Hendry to hire Sandberg
Because I felt it would be a setup to a rebuilding effort, and I’m not a big Sandberg fan. But if Epstein brings in several serious candidates and then hires Sandberg, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Oct 22, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
in my eyes ....
if theo passes up on ryno for the managers job , i will realize that there is something about ryno that doesn’t fit as a manager . BUT , if theo chooses ryno for the job it will only magnify what a mistake hendry made in the first place . i have complete confindence that theo will make the right decision whatever it may be .
Hendry probably did
what he thought he had to do. It whiffed.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Sadly, you can say that about a large number of Hendry's decisions
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
More sadly,
whilr that is entirely accurate, he was our second best GM ever.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
True, and had he advised Mr. Ricketts that there were a number of changes that needed to be made
including the staffing of the front office, If Hendry had seen the Ricketts takeover as a fresh start instead of a way to frantically hold on to the status quo he might still have a job. Yet another poor decision by Hendry. Thank god for his incompetence
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hendry wouldn't be able
to implement the needed changes. He knows his status was based on the importance of the ‘horse and buggy’ industry.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Bill Veeck Sr.
was technically “Team President” but he did the job of a modern GM.
I’d rank him as the best GM in team history and Green as #2. Hendry comes in at #3.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And Bostons new GM
DEMANDS Koyie Hill or deals off!!!! (Sorry…Hill had a decent year…just a habit I guess!)
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Man, it took nine days just to agree on a method on which to decide compensation?
Good Riddance, John Henry!
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Pretty much
I keep hearing that the Cubs and Red Sox came to an agreement a few times and John Henry nixed it every time.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would anyone want to be manager of the Red Sox now?
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll say it again, I've lost a lot of respect for the Red Sox organization
Henry and Lucchino have acted like asshats during this whole process.
So what are we supposed
to be giving up? I’ve heard Castro and Soto.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Josh...
is that CONFIRMED or are you “joshin’”???
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Heehee... Ya never know...I'll be back...
gotta go clean out my pants…
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
i wouldn't let him near a place that contains thousands of drunk females
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Second coming of Mark Grace
"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck
I love that long hesitation,....it IS perfect.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Oct 23, 2011 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And I can hear the collective BCB sigh of contentment from Arlington Hts...
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Outstanding
The pieces are falling into place.
by jerry morales rules on Oct 21, 2011 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
All the pieces are in place!
AAAAAAAPPP!!!
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
John Henry's signature in blood or I don't believe it.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
It'll be given.
On a Starbucks receipt.
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any chance that Boston might offer Jim Hendry a GM gig?
i kid i kid
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
I know a couple hundred people on a website
who will give Hendry a ride to the airport.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The North Side Theo-cracy begins!
LETS GO CUBS!
I haven’t been this excited about the Cubs since ’08!
BEAR DOWN!
by mikegncb34 on Oct 21, 2011 9:31 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
They had to show
He That Shall Not Be Named, didn’t they.
Maybe we can send him as compensation.
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No, this is actual news.
The deal is done and will be announced. That’s a step forward, and something official from the teams as we had nothing from them before.
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so we can now start the hourly post about Hoyer?
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
What does Georgetown University
have to do with the Cubs?
The Hoyer thing is done
According to the North County Times, the Padres have agreed to let Hoyer and MacLeod go. The Cubs have agreed to not take anyone else from the Padres front office. The Cubs have given the Padres a list of minor leaguers they can choose from for compensation.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
The Padres are sure easier to deal with than the Red Sox. Who would have guessed?
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the moorad-byrnes bromance is strong
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently so.
Looks like SD is putting the band back together, too — the Byrnes band from his AZ days.
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Once they replace replace Bud Black with AJ Hinch we'll have a new managerial candidate.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Heh.
Hinch is probably headed for the SD front office.
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Apparently Tom and Jeff
are close friends as well.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
too many bromances are involved in this
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
If I lived in San Diego year round
I’d probably love everyone, too.
That's not true...
I mean, I hardly know Tom… :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
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Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
i think part is that is the owner wanted to promote the Asst GM
and was willing to make it painless for him.
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
The owner wanted to promote the asst. GM in Boston, too.
Only he made it as difficult as possible.
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At first I thought Theo had 3 Asst GM's in Boston because they did so much more work...
After all this, I think it was probably so they could all keep their eyes on each other’s backs around Henry and Luccino.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hoyer is GM
what is MacLeod’s role likely to be?
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Something in scouting.
That’s his strength.
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tom wilkens 2.0
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Changes are coming...
… to a front office near you. Not only is the personnel changing, but the structure is, too. The Cubs front office was one of the smallest in the sport while the Red Sox was one of the largest. One must assume that many changes and additions are coming and Epstein is going to build this in his own vision. So its hard to tell whose role is going to be what, how this impacts the likes of Flieta, Wilken, et al.
Right.
It isn’t likely anyone will be fired — they will probably be given new positions which never before existed with the Cubs.
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Will any of you write me
a letter of recommendation? I can write articles and make videos and am a generally funny person.
Can you juggle?
Theo must be entertained while he is thinking.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
i can juggle
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
I'm not sure that
Al will write you a letter of recommendation.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
You're not gonna fool me with that trick again...
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I just wanted to make a laugh-in joke.
Did you know that despite our best efforts, death is still our nation’s #1 killer?
He was going to be a Co-GM, but then he realized....
There can only be one!!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes! THIS!
(shyly admits Highlander is one of my fav flicks…)
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
ZOMGITSHAPPENINGLIND!!1!
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 21, 2011 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
Could you email me?
My address is in my profile.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Per Kevin Goldstein
On WSCR w/ Laurence Holmes, the process will change where Epstein will negotiate compensation for the Cubs and Cherington will negotiate for the Red Sox. Goldstein (of Baseball Prospectus, I believe) said that with Lucchino, Ricketts, et al involved, it had gotten too personal. with Epstein and Cherington, it will be much more rational and likely quickly dealt with.
Good idea
Now Ricketts can focus on more important things – like making a Larry Lucchino voodoo doll and buying lots of needles
Nah.
Leave ’em alone to fight amongst themselves. Rarely has a team self-destructed as quickly as the Red Sox have this year.
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I can almost guarantee that's a solution that either Cherington or Epstein came up with.
Very nice.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
per Holmes on 670 The Score
compensation about to become more rational with two GMs working the trade after tuesday instead of non GMs making the trade. Sure hope so
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
yay
but still not agreeing on compensation is bizarre but eh oh well…..Go Cubs Go I guess…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
it makes sense once Holmes and goldstein go voer it
having non GMs trying to make the trade is complicating it
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Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Ya just
saw/heard that….Sad that it got personal….Guess selig was good for something after all assuming he pushed this idea…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i think the conversation went like this
Bud: Guys how is the trade going
TR: not good,John wont get his head out of his ass
JH i want more, give me your best, worst, hell i want the entire minor league system of the Cubs
Bud: finish it now or i will make this worse, more complicated, and screw everything up more
JH ok we agree to take nothing, and will accept whatever later
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
I can
see that……
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
i envision it more like this
TR: your mother’s fat
JH: no, your mother is fat
bud: LOL HAI GUIZ WUTZ GOIN ON HERE
TR: crap it’s bud, lets say we accomplished something so bud can’t find a way to magically screw this up
JH: agreed, but your mother is still fat
TR: you really want zambrano, don’t you?
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Also note
I would think it would be a tad odd that the first deal you have to make is to complete the trade that sends you to your new team…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
it must be weird
to negotiate for your own trade. Think about it — he has to try to lowball the Red Sox on his own value.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
"C'mon Ben, have you seen how bad John Lackey is? That was all me, man! Just take John Gaub and we'll call it a day."
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
And Koyie Hill!
“Because you need a lefthanded hitting backup catcher. He’ll be great with Lackey!”
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Yar.... GENIOUS!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
we could sweeten the deal with Marmol
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
/shudder runs down spine.....brrrrr.../
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Epstein's first move for the Cubs will have a surreal quality to it.
This is pure genius bording on the absurd. So is Theo valued as a President of Baseball Operations or as a GM?
Perhaps in the process Theo can get Cherington to trade himself to the Cubs as well.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 21, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
DAMN DAMN DAMN...
I would post my dancing Snoopy but my machine is DOA and I’m on a loaner laptop…
HEAD/DESK
HEAD/DESK
HEAD/DESK
HEAD/DESK
HEAD/DESK
Speachless...
And kudos to Tom for keeping his word and keeping his mouth shut.
Looks a lot better coming out of this whole thing than Henry does.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
For all the people who called Tom Ricketts an idiot, he's not an idot. Kudos to Tom and the Cubs for getting this done.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh boy!!!!
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Great News for the Chicago National League Ballclub and us fans
As far as the Red Sox are concerned…..Mr. Henry and Lucchino have embarrassed their organization.
IT’S OUR TIME NOW!!!!
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
I think Henry more so
if the rumors are true that more than once the deal was done and Henry said no
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
Yes. Yes!!!
A New Power is Rising in the NLC… :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Hmmm... hadn't thought of that... :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Re Henry and Lucchino
maybe they have embarrassed their organization, but several of their players started that process
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 22, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Local news here leading with "Iraq war finally over - Obama announces all troops home by end of year"
WTF?
Don’t these people realize what’s really news??? Sheesh…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Unpossible!
Should NOT have been announced during WS!!!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
what? why aren't they covering the story about toronto's lingerie football team's players quitting?!
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
WHAT??
WHY HAVEN’T I HEARD ABOUT THIS BEFORE!
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
here
Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.
We really have our priorities straight
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
John Henry is demanding compensation for this
He wants two oil fields and the Kurdish North.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I hear the Libyan Presidential Guard Brigade is looking for a new leader...
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Does that title come with
the beautiful women bodyguards?
Or in the end the possibility of 72 virgins.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure we could find him something in Tikrit.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Is this like a Cubs-Red Sox
kind of over, where they still have to actually negotiate all the details of making it over?
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
Just got the call from my White Sox fan father
saying the Cubs just picked up a younger Andy MacPhail….It has come full circle….Or something……
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
MacPhail is a smart guy, but there's no comparison. Epstein's a lot younger than MacPhail was and he's still got plenty of years yet to be even more successful.
Plus Epstein would never sign Todd Hundley to a free agent deal.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
No question, Epstein will do better than MacPhail.
But you’re wrong about the age. When MacPhail was hired, he was 41. Epstein will be 38 in December.
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It would be difficult, almost impossible to do worse than McPhail
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
MacPhail's major mistake...
… was hiring Ed Lynch as GM. If MacPhail had done the job himself, maybe the results would have been different.
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Hope the
Hoyer hiring wont be Epstein mistake then…..
Do you know who I am? I'm Mike Martz !!!! I made my bones and WON a Super Bowl when you were going out with cheerleaders.....
- Mike Martz to the his critics and explaining his playcalling
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hoyer and Epstein by all accounts are like "two peas in a pod"
sorry, couldn’t come up with a better phrase. They both share the same belief in metrics, they both have an eye for talent. The more eyes the better.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
yep
theo is GM 1A and hoyer is GM 1B
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
No
because Theo is still going to be in charge of baseball decisions. Hoyer has the title of GM, but Theo is going to be making the big decisions on the team.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh thought
it was the same for MacPhail and Lynch….But I must admit that was before my time (watched the Cubs but wasnt aware of the inner workings of them)…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
MacPhail did not get involved in the baseball side
until Lynch got fired.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Did not know
that….Now I know….And knowing is half the battle….Ops…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure you know this but did Ed Lynch actually WORK for the Cubs...
…while he was getting paid under the title of “Assistant to the GM” for almost a decade after he was fired as GM?
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard he did a lot of scouting
People reported seeing him at various ballparks a lot in an official capacity.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank, I always wondered if he was actually working but I also heard...
…that the amount he was getting paid was pretty exorbitant.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Advanced Scout
Particularly in Phoenix. I believe the last straw for Lynch was him closely scouting the Dbacks and putting the advanced scouting report together for the playoffs and the Cubs getting swept.
Agreed
As I’ve said, Ricketts can learn from the MacPhail hiring. He was forced into roles that were not where he had succeeded with the Twins. Had he been on the baseball side of things, and had he realized how bad the organization was top to bottom, perhaps things would have turned out different. As I’ve said, MacPhail did some real good with the Cubs, but he didn’t win enough games. He definitely left the Cubs a much better organization than he found.
MacPhail didn't handle baseball operations
He threw himself into the business side and let Ed Lynch handle baseball stuff. That was his big mistake. He should have told the Tribune that they needed to hire other people to handle the business stuff.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Further
Bud Selig leaned on MacPhail with the CBA negotiations and other issues. MacPhail just wasn’t able to focus on the business of the Cubs.
Good point
MacPhail had to serve as the Cubs owner in lieu of the Tribune board. He was constantly occupied with owner responsibilities in addition to running the club.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Sour Grapes...White Sox are about to enter a period of Baseball purgatory
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to be optimistic
about your franchise when your GM has gone off the reservation, your top future GM prospect might be leaving, you have the worst farm system in baseball, and you have a major league roster in worse shape than ours.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
You forgot to mention
A manager who’s only coaching experience is as an assistant to a local little league team.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Quade has a new job?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Oct 22, 2011 12:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
White Sox fans obsession with the Cubs never fails to amaze me.
I can’t imagine how sad it must be to be THAT caught up in a team you don’t like.
by bluekoolaide on Oct 21, 2011 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You'll be singing a different tune when a Sox fan comes onto this Cubs blog to tell you you're wrong.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I think a lot of Sox fans know more about the Cubs
than they do about the Sox.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 22, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. Sure do.
This is why I come over here.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't wanna get involved w/ the "anti-cub/pro w-sox stuff"
HOWEVER, if White Sox guests were to “act as a guest in anothers home”…things would go much smoother. i make it a point to defend my opinions on Sox pages…but…I realize I’m the guest
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
by jeffstorm2 on Oct 22, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I realize that this is the internet, and Al gets paid to do this.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure. And given how you folks respond, I'm good at it.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Here -- this may be of some help in the future for everyone.
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Can we add this to the new "IT'S HAPPENING!" contest?
We’re starting to think flying cars are closer to reality…
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 23, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Perfect example.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 23, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
so?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 22, 2011 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
SHHH!
You, as a Cubs fan, are not supposed to admit posting on Sox pages. According to the rule book, Cubs fans never post on Sox sites.
Well you never post on Sox pages
So I guess somebody has to.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
You're right...
… I rarely post on SouthSideSox here at SBNation (you claimed “never” which is wrong but I understand your hyperbole). But I’ve got about 7,000 posts on White Sox Interactive, probably about as many at the Sox newsgroup and at other Sox sites.
So I guess you are right, in your mind at least.
Oh no, you're right
Your almost 3000 posts on this board does indeed prove that Cub fans are obsessed about the White Sox.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
What are you talking about?
I’m agreeing with you.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know a few people who fit that description.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
by katie casey on Oct 22, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Where have you been?
But I guess you weren’t around for the 2,000 Sox discussions here the last couple months.
you care way too much
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Oct 22, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
that'd be my guess too...
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
He just likes to give me
a hard time….Though him saying “Son the Cubs will never win a World Series in your life time” does make me wonder……
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and if the WhiteSux had picked up Epstein
he probably would be predicting a championship for them
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 22, 2011 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
And Cubbie fans...
… would be talking about Epstein’s failures with FA signings, how he inherited a team that had won 90+ games, how he ran away from a team left in a disastrous condition.
But this is a good move by the Cubs. Of course the proof will be in what the Cubs do in Theos tenure here.
For me I’ll always remember the White Sox sweeping Theo Epstein’s Red Sox in ’05, on the way to winning the World Series. Thanks for that Theo!
The White Sox sweep of Theos Red Sox, then in the wake of that Theos quit and escaped in a gorilla suit.
Tho I don't "hate on" the White Sox...
I will recall all thier “Glory Days” post 2005…precisely NONE. That may seem rude to some, but for how many years (or perhaps decades now) will Sox Fans toot the horn over 2005?! I said congrats to Sox Fans I know back then…they earned it. HOWEVER, I said they “got lucky”, and to an extent, I still believe that. I get tired of hearing “The White Sox did it”…yes, true, ONCE in 88yrs.
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
We'd all love it if the Cubs won the World Series.
But I can assure you, no one here is jealous of you.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
who what now?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Oct 22, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's hope we Milton
a whole bunch the next few years.
by sue369 on Oct 21, 2011 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Over at "Over The Monster"...
… they made a similar post just a few minutes after this one.
It has, as of 10:13 CDT, seven comments. And one of them is from Josh.
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Hmm... is it time for "Occupy Over The Monster"?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's time for "Occupy Red Sox". Hopefully we'll do it next year in a sweep.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That series ought to be real interesting.
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Seems
like maybe it’s more exciting to get the genius GM than to lose him.
I would be so embarrased to be a fan of a franchise run by Henry and Lucchino. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen a front office so thoroughly tarnish their reputation in short order.
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
by tomas21 on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They're coming to realize they're not as awesome to work for as they thought.
Tough pill to swallow.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
This is not your father's Chicago Cubs.
I haven’t been a Cubs fan all of my life. I grew up a Phillies fan, but I became a Cubs convert in 1984. At the time I didn’t know much about the history of the Cubs including 1969 and the goat and all that. Many people like to make fun of the Cubs and their fans by constantly bringing up the “lovable losers” label, showing video of Bartman, etc. I hope that one of the things that Theo touches on in his introductory press conference is that this is a team with a bright future, but the future is now. And enough about the past. That whole mindset of “lovable losers” has to change. Now.
Incidentally, it took the Philadelphia Phillies 97 years to win their first World Series championship in 1980. And they were notorious for “choking” in the playoffs, World Series and the 1964 collapse. The 1980 Phillies weren’t even the best Phillies team, but Dallas Green deserves a lot of credit for changing the clubhouse culture there and turning that team around.
The 1980 Phillies weren’t even the best Phillies team, but Dallas Green deserves a lot of credit for changing the clubhouse culture there and turning that team around.
THIS!
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It's true. Dallas Green took over from Danny Ozark who had a preference for veterans, was a "player's manager" & a tendency for malaprophisms. Sound familiar?
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
The difference between Epstein and Green is that Green, having been a player and manager, understood what was needed to change clubhouse culture firsthand.
Epstein will need to find a manager who can do this from that perspective, since he himself has no experience in on-field managing.
I have no doubt he can do that.
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by Al Yellon on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The 1977 Phillies were probably the best Phillies team of their "golden era" at that time.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
There's an excellent book about that team
“The Fall of the 1977 Phillies”, written by Mitchell Nathanson. The book intertwines the story of the dreaded Game 3 of their playoff series against the Dodgers with a narrative about the city of Philadelphia and the curve balls thrown its way.
Here is how Dallas Green changed the clubhouse culture:
Dallas split up the cliques on the Phillies team by having rookies like Lonnie Smith have a locker next to Mike Schmidt, Steve Carlton with a rookie pitcher, etc. The way things were done before that with Ozark was that there were separate practices for pitchers and hitters. He also wanted to create competition for the veterans and he put guys like Lonnie Smith and Keith Moreland into the lineup. He also gave guys like Bob Walk a chance to start and Dickie Noles a chance to relieve in the bullpen.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not
but at least my father’s Cubs made it regularly to the world series … didn’t win one, but at least they got there.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Oct 22, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
It is a happy day for Cubs fans!
This is the first real positive step since the Cubs lucked into Dallas Green. Now to hire a manager that understands what it takes to win in Chicago at Wrigley Field; with all that entails. I can’t stop smiling…
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Indeed. I can't wait to see what kind of a reception Theo gets on Tuesday. It'll be like The Beatles landing at JFK in February 1964. Well, not quite.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
We need Ed Sullivan to introduce Theo
We have a reeelly gooed preshident tonight
The Theos!
Well, it might not be like the Beatles coming to America for the first time...
But it will be like the unbridled joy that I last truly remember feeling when the Cubs went up 3-1 in the ’03 NLCS & the unmentionable seemed inevitable.
That evening I jumped up & began running back & forth the length of my flat at Grand & Ashland, all the while screaming in delight. I’m too old for that shit now. I might just try it though…
Oh, did I mention I can’t stop smiling?
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Oct 21, 2011 10:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Interesting quotes by Dallas Green after taking over as manager of Phillies in 1980
“We had to create competition. Veterans no longer had the right to play just because they were veterans. I have to give a lot of credit to Ruly Carpenter (Phillies owner at the time), who supported that policy all the way. He had to eat a million dollars’ worth of dead-weight salary to do it. But if we didn’t have those kids, I felt in my heart that we would have been back in the same old ‘Mr. Cool’ situation.”
I think the same could be said today about the Cubs by the next manager.
Interesting
Very interesting……Nice little bit of info…..Agree with you as well….
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy Crap.
Dallas Green was before my time, but I see why everyone was sold on him.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Here is an excerpt of Green's first speech to the Phillies team in August 1979:
“Each and every one of you has to accept some of the responsibility for my being here. Each and every one of you has to accept some responsbility for getting Danny Ozark fired. You are professional baseball players and you are good players, but for some reason you haven’t been playing like it. Because Danny wasn’t able to solve the problem, he was fired. I expect each and every one of you to take a look in the mirror and ask if you’ve played up to your capabilities. I expect each and every one of you to grind it out for the next thirty days to see if we can’t accomplish something with pride and dignity. At the end of those thirty days, I will report to Paul Owens (the Phillies GM at the time) and tell him who can and who can’t help the Phillies. We will make every effort to see that those who can’t will no longer be in a Phillies uniform.”
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
My God. That is awesome.
Screw it, Theo should just copy that while giving Soriano the stink eye.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
You know after this season...I've come to a realization about Sori
First, he got old at a fairly early age. Second, he has actually been a pretty decent leader for the Cubs. He wouldn’t be a bad looking player on a really good team. Let’s hope the Cubs get good, quickly.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone think zambrano might work into the compensation deal somehow now that epstein will be negotiating it?
… Maybe the Sox send Lackey and some cash and they take zambrano or something. It seems like both teams have to get rid of each pitcher and the cubs dont allow beer in the clubhouse.
Nah.
Adding a headcase like Zambrano to that group of troublemakers would be a bad, bad idea.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Interesting. I don't see Z coming back to Cubs, period.
He likely lost his White Sox connection (Oozzie) but Oozzie may have needs down south… I dunno, I still see Oozzie n Carlos Z wearing the same uniform.
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Most people
seem to think he’ll end up in Miami.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then...
I’m “most people” if I ever met one! :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
A man can hope...
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
no, that's lebron
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Carlos will announce on ESPN that he's decided to take his "talents" to South Beach.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That be
awesome…..Then marlin fans can make marlin world order videos……
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm curious about comp now
If Theo is now officially ours, how much negotiating strength do the Red Sux really have?
If we don't come to an agreement
Then Bud Selig will determine compensation.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
So I'm guessing that's a good thing for us
if the speculation is true that he doesn’t want to set a precedent for significant compensation for executives?
There's a t-shirt already... so it must be official!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Oct 21, 2011 10:34 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
First the mike martz shirts
and now this…..If its a “happening” make it a shirt I guess…..
I want history to erase his every achievement.....I want him to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on him in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
All the rage I guess
I bought a martz one… might splurge on this one too.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Oh just
noting it…..Wished I came up with those shirts is all…..Guess I can work on some fire quade and Angelo shirts…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 21, 2011 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You're losing time on the Fire Quade shirts...
there’s only a few days left. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
And Quade being shown the exit!!
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by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I'm sticking by my laptop, I'm expecting an announcement tonight!!!
J/K
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by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not going to be that fast. But I will predict that Quade finds out well before any official announcement or statement is made.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know, I was just joking
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They could issue a statement before the Epstein press conf that Quade has been fired. That way, Epstein doesn't have to answer questions about Quade's job status during the press conf.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I L.O.V.E. this plan!!!!
It’s quick, it’s neat, it’s nearly painless…
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Is it really so wrong
to be quietly sitting here…imagining The Quade pooping his britches while counting the days??? Really? I’m sorry, I’m absolutely certain he’s a nice guy n all…but he engineered one of the most depressing, miserable and frustrating seasons I can ever remember…
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
I think that deep down that Quade knows or has to suspect that he's a goner. He sounds like a good guy and in a way I feel bad for him, but he made some terrible decisions and showed poor leadership as manager. He has to go.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they'll find a "spot for him somewhere"...hopefully, it's nowhere near Wrigley!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
When someone asks where were you when you heard Epstein became GM
I will remember I was in the Delta lounge at the Salt Lake City airport. It is one of those events you should always remember where you were.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
You'll appreciate this
From Paul Sullivan
One of the valued Cubs’ employees Epstein will speak with soon is former Cubs pitcher Greg Maddux, who was an assistant to Hendry and is a fan favorite. Maddux said Friday he is undecided on whether he will return to the team in 2012 because of family issues.
I don't think Maddux would come even without the family issues.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He had a strong connection to Hendry and had a special and flexible role
I don’t think that would work with Theo. He had made comments after Hendry left that seemed to say he was not coming back. It is rather moot now as he is not going to do anything while his daughter is sick, but geography may play a greater role. I think he might get involved in AZ given the close proximity and his relationship with Kevin Towers but I would be completely thrilled to be wrong.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
What is wrong
with his daughter?
No Cubbiegoon, I am Deep Goat
I think I saw the band Spinal Tap play there once.
But seriously, congrats on being perhaps the only person to ever remember anything that ever happened in the Delta lounge of the Salt Lake City airport.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Oct 21, 2011 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
I am on my way back from Vegas.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
if you're at the Hard Rock hotel monday onwards look me up
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
Crap I was down the block from The Hard Rock all week
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2011 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Awww, that's my home town!
I was at my desk at work. All of the Red Sox fans were freaking out. :)
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Yessssssssssss
Finally, it’s official! Took long enough, but I’m just happy Theo’s the new President of Baseball Operations……….and we don’t have to worry about Kenney putting his nose in where it doesn’t belong.
Didn't drive until age 23?
According to Tim Kurkjian’s ESPN feature. Thats funny.
In my lifetime please!
I didn't get my license until I was 23. Failed the driving test 3 times. Finally passed the 4th time & have excellent driving record.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
My beast friend just got her driver’s license at 43. She lived in the city her entire adult life. She only got it because she lives near her mother now in the suburbs and her mom is afraid to drive now.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 22, 2011 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Epstein grew in & Boston.
In big cities some people don’t drive by choice. Or that don’t have to. I lived almost 10 years in Chicago, and didn’t drive b/c with good public transpo I simply didn’t need to. I still don’t drive after almost three yrs. now in SoCal- but now it sucks…
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Oct 21, 2011 11:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Grew up in Chicago, live in New York and I NEVER learned how to drive,
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought I was the only one.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Nope. Mike who does the BCB graphics/cartoons
is also a non driver or as Al likes to call us Luddites.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I call myself a Luddite
that likes the Internet. Like a vegetarian that likes bacon.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Same here
Once was on a Trivia Team that was named The Luddites.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 22, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yabbut
you now have a cellphone. That might make Mike the last Luddite.
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I had a license but didn’t drive reguarly until I got married and had kids. Lived in the city until then.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Oct 22, 2011 3:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Makes sense
Being from rural America, thats simply unheard of. Kids are driving at 14 out here.
In my lifetime please!
I thought that Epstein will be GM all along.
Epstein won 2 championships. What has Hoyer done?
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Helped Theo
win those 2 championships in Boston
And he's about to help him win another one here in Chicago, we hope.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 21, 2011 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Why settle for just one? We should run the table for 10!!!!!!!!!!!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
But we wanted Theo to make the GM decisions directly.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
look at it this way
instead of having 1 super genius running the show, the cubs have 2
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Its not much different. He'll have input in all decisions, while having a second brain to work with
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
We're countin' it down!
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 21, 2011 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Twosday
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Or, Tuesday.
Time TBA. I’ll post info when I have it.
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Hopefully WGN will carry it
The Stat Pack
by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
This is pretty big news.
I suspect it’ll be on ESPN or MLB Network or both.
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ESPN will use the
WEEI feed, no?
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Maybe.
They might send their own crew there.
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I guessed noon..
Which would probably mean WGN America will have it if they run the noon newscast. Locally, I’m sure Comcast Sportsnet will break into their replay of a Chicago Fire game (or whatever they run weekdays) for this.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Just got home from MONEYBALL.
GMs are totally awesome.
I can’t stand skinny Jonah Hill over fat Jonah Hill, however.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Does anyone know if TRL's house is still for sale?
Theo might want to give him a call.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 21, 2011 11:03 PM CDT reply actions
It was sold a couple of months ago..
… and a new family moved in.
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Hey jeffstorm, how do you like this one?
by ubercubsfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:07 PM CDT reply actions 8 recs
well played
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 21, 2011 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously
I am actually laughing out loud.
Well played
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
That...is doubtless
one of the BEST!!! LOL
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Not too fast either on the head explosion either, don't you say?
by ubercubsfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
P.E.R.F.E.C.T.I.O.N. :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
I was worried I'd go over the 2MB limit on imgur to upload, but I got it under 1.9MB. :D
by ubercubsfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Too technical for moi!
But it’s very, very nice! G’nite my friend!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
I need a new Theo picture for my Facebook.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
ON SPORTSCENTER IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES
Ozzie Guillen to give his opinion on Epstein and the impact it will have on the Cubs. Should be interesting.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
With or without
subtitles?
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I wish it would have been with.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I hear him still making a jab at the Cubs?
by ubercubsfan on Oct 21, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, pretty innocuous though, just a reference that the Sox still have their recent...
…WS to hold over the Cubs heads. He was wrong also when he said that people don’t care who the GM is, well he obviously hasn’t been on this website.
He was right about one thing though, if Epstein helps win a world series he will be the king of Chicago.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
by troutfishin on Oct 21, 2011 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta run boys n girls
(nursin’ a sinus infection). Sweet Dreams all …oh…and GO CUBS!
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
The new SBNation app is better.
Can mark unread comments, but it doesn’t translate from computer to phone, so you’re basically rereading comments. Can reply, can’t rec.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Oct 21, 2011 11:57 PM CDT via iPhone app reply actions
OK, I don't want to focus on the specific compensation to the Red Sox
That just devolves into bickering about a minor player’s previous performance and future value.
Now I’m concerned about this
a process by which appropriate compensation will be determined
What will the process be? For the future of the Cubs, we need to ensure that “process” is advantageous to us.
Starter suggestions for the Process are Three Card Monte or Rock-paper-scissors (best 2 out of 3, then 3 out of 5, if we’re behind, etc)
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
Our new GM
is suppose to be good @ getting the process to be in his favor.
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The process is
that now Epstein is negotiating with Cherington rather than Kenney negotiating with Lucchino. That’s a net win for us.
If they can’t come to an agreement, then the matter goes to Bud for arbitration.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that feels mostly relieved that the speculation is over?
I’m very glad for the hiring of Epstein, of course. But I’m just glad the doubt is done with. Now, we can focus on actually building a winner. All those “what if’s” and “if only’s” are finally coming true in the most unexpectedly awesome way.
I really don’t remember a time when I haven’t had doubts about the newest signing/trade/big move in the Cubs. Weird.
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!!!
GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
So Theo is bringing his old crony Jed in too?
Sounds like just another country club atmosphere amirite TJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yep.
The difference is that this country club will have a clue.
"They sell every ticket to every game, win or lose!" - Tom Ricketts
by bluemagic9 on Oct 22, 2011 3:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hip hip hooray!!!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
by eths on Oct 22, 2011 5:43 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
how
involved will theo be in trade and signing decisions? dont know what a team president actually does.lets hope this job does’nt chew theo up like it has everyone else.
Just thought that maybe this is something Theo would let the new GM do.
I still think that the Cubs should fire Quade before the press conference on Tuesday. Then begin the search for manager immediately and announce that they’ve already begun that process during the press conference.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
The process 'began'
when TR asked TE who he would like as a manager in 2011.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I think Ricketts wanted Sandberg last year, but Hendry wanted Quade. And I believe that Ricketts said something to Hendry like, "Jim, this is your call. If we don't win next year, just remember that this is on you."
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
The bloodlust for firing Quade RIGHTFREAKINGNOW is unseemly.
Man, give Theo a chance to get settled and get a Starbucks or three before he hires a new manager.
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I still think Quade could
perform some function of value to the organization. Let Theo ask him what he would like to do… other than manage.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
The problem is
that if Quade isn’t the manager, he could probably get a job somewhere else in the majors as a coach, a job he seems much better suited for.
Why would he hang around with the Cubs as an advance scout when someone might make him their third base coach?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If he 'opts out',
do we still have to pay him?
Either way, I’d give him an option. But not compensation-beg.
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Probably not
his contract likely says he’s being paid to be a manager. We can’t make him an advance scout and then says he has to do this or forfeit his salary.
On the other hand, any salary he might draw from another team would likely be deducted from what we owe him.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I'm not a fan of
firing someone if another option is better/possible. He probably would prefer to leave, and I doubt TE would lose sleep over him leaving.
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first trade
how about soriano for lackey. if ortiz leaves they need a dh.same contracts i think and they seem to want to lose lackey as much as we want to be rid of fonzie.
Another Question: Is a potential Theo/Ryno combo attractive to free agents?
Are the Cubs viewed as a team in transition – only a few years away from building a powerhouse organization? We’ve always been moderately successful at attracting FA’s (clearly not always the right players), but I’m wondering how realistic it is to assume the Pujols’ and Fielder’s of the world would be jumping up and down for the chance to wear Cubbie Blue?? (And yes, I know we need starting pitching…)
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I think hiring Theo says very clearly, "We intend to be winners."
What would a FA not like about that?
That, and a top-5 payroll.
FA’s tend to like that about the Cubs.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. But I think at least part of that Tribune and then Zell
Trying to push up the price of the franchise short term, with little regard to how it might play out for the Cubs in the long-run. As like now with a handful of large albatross contracts to get off the books.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Cubs are always attractive to Free Agents
and that the most important factor in attracting free agents is the number after the dollar sign.
I think we’d be attractive to free agents if Hendry and Quade were still running things.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
What big name FA's come to the Cubs?
Soriano is about the last big name that came to the Cubs, and that took a ridiculous overpayment. As far as pitching goes, what was the last big name pitcher that even thought about coming here in free agency? I can’t think of one.
When you can attract the likes of a Cliff Lee in the offseason, THEN I’ll figure you’re an attractive destination for free agents.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 22, 2011 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
When did the Cubs go after Cliff Lee?
The Cubs have pretty much gotten whomever they went after: Soriano, Byrd, Pena. If the Cubs were deep in the Sabathia or Lee sweepstakes and didn’t get them that’s one thing, but as far as we know they made no effort to go after them because they did not have that kind of room on their payroll.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Which kinda takes care of the whole 'attractive to big name FA' thing, no?
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 22, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not clear on your point
But honestly, FA will go to where they get paid the most almost every time.
Whether Hendry or Epstein is in charge probably doesn’t make a whole lot of difference.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
You're claiming two different things, which is why I'm unclear.
I think the Cubs are always attractive to Free Agents and that the most important factor in attracting free agents is the number after the dollar sign.
but as far as we know they made no effort to go after them because they did not have that kind of room on their payroll.
If the payroll keeps them from getting big time free agents, then don’t call them an attractive market for free agents.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 22, 2011 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
They got Bradley, Pena and Byrd
I’m saying that the Cubs, in general, are attractive to free agents as a big market franchise with a long history. But they tied up most of their payroll in Soriano, Zambrano, Ramirez, the three mentioned above, etc.
The Yankees didn’t sign Cliff Lee, Adrian Beltre, Carl Crawford, etc. Are you saying the Yankees aren’t attractive to free agents?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Who DID the Yankees sign?
Start with Sabathia and work your way backwards.
My point is, the big name top WAR producing free agents avoid Chicago North like the plague, money or no money. The only one that I can remember to come here and sign a big free agent contract (since Dawson) was Soriano. All the rest are not top level FA’s – which is what the second biggest market and highest payroll in the NL SHOULD be attracting.
Saying that you can attract a Pena who’s looking for a rebound or a headcase like Bradley isn’t putting yourself up as the primo destination for free agents.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 22, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
2012 Question
In one of the required reading columns (rumors), I saw the number $150 million floated as the big league roster plus bonuses for amateurs. The number was (allegedly) floated by someone interviewed other than Theo.
If the 150 number is accurate, I see the budget at 130-135 million, with 15-20 in bonuses.
Since pitching is very sketchy this off-season, a splash for Prince looks at least possible.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Free agent starting pitching, yes.
I’d investigate trades. One pitcher I’d love to see the Cubs get is John Danks.
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Only we don't want to give up Brett Jackson, McNutt, Scuzur, Carpenter, Vitters...
Will they take Zambrano and Shawon Dunston Jr. for him?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't send
Baby Shawon. Signed in 2011. Ours until mid-August at least.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Baby Shawon
is going to be a fan favorite if he ever gets here. He’s already mixing it up with the fans on Twitter.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
You got to give a little to get a little
Trade prospects for young, proven big-league talent if you can.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 22, 2011 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
For every trade like that,
there are 100 that aren’t.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 22, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Vitters and Dolis
for Danks would work 4 me,
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With the state of the minor league system, that might not happen until teams are making salary dumps as they fall out of contention in 2012
The Cubs may need to be able to swap 2011 draftees to make a deal happen, too.
Which I hope we position ourselves for
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I'd hope they are choosy if they do that - no sense picking up an expensive second-tier starter
Who is getting paid top-tier $$$$$.
unless all freight is paid.
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Good luck Theo!
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
One thing about these trades is...
it shows how far away we have been from legitimacy, historically. If the Cubs front office were well-structured last season, we wouldn’t have had to trade for three execs and a suit or three to be named later.
In 2008, JH stood pat, in part because there weren’t many quality pieces to deal.
In 1998, the Cubs did try to ‘shore things up’ and dealt Garland for Karchner.
Since Papa Wrigley died, the person at the wheel seemed to have bad hand-ryr-co-ordination, or something. Constantly. As times and methods changed, the Cubs didn’t. Out of stubbornness or foolishness, the old, failed ways seemed better than the new paths of success.
Now, due to Tom Ricketts putting some people in charge who seem, yknow, good at what they do, there is light. Not at the end of the tunnel, but light.
In an early season of 24, the ‘in-real-time’ drama had been in night for weeks or months. Dimly lit rooms. Underground tunnels. Really dark. Hitchcockian. At a certain point, Jack Bauer was escaping someone and opened a compartment above him. It was suddenly bright. LA sunlight.
That’s where I am now.
Over the next year or two, the improvement will be uneven. A few times, BCB members will openly wonder why we spent this much joy on a suit or five.
But as Reggie Golden continues to coax walks, Oneri Fleita continues mining the Dominican, Steve Wilson does the same in the East, and pitchers pitch in A Ball while techno-whizzes chart their pitches, progress will be made.
I might go to a Cubs game at Wrigley this season. It is very inconvenirnt for me. I don’t drive, and I live in Rockford. But I have a long-standing missive: “Reward excellence, or encourage mediocrity.” This month, Tom Ricketts moved the Cubs into the upper half of teams. I look forward to having a good baseball team to cheer for, with wise executives shrewdly spending a generous amount of money to give fans of other teams yet another reason to hate us.
Series in ten years. No problem saying that now.
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One thing about these trades is...
In 1998, the Cubs did try to ‘shore things up’ and dealt Garland for Karchner.
That worked out well…
A good exec knows his prospects better than you know yours.
We have been lacking in that category.
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The most interesting part about all this, is how Ricketts has completely reversed field concerning a President of baseball operations
Granted, having Theo Epstein AS that President can change anyone’s mind, but you’ve got to wonder who was counseling Ricketts that he didn’t need one from the beginning.
That's an interesting question
Could it be that once he went after Theo, Theo said this is how I’d like it done & that is what changed his mind?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
And who I want
doing it.
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They will be working together
not having Theo “watch over” Jed.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm CERTAIN that Theo told him that, I just wonder who the moron was that told him that wasn't a good idea in the first place
It was either Hendry or Crane, or both. Either way, I think Ricketts is finding out that this franchise was much more dysfuntional than it appeared from the outside.
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Ricketts was opposed to the idea
of having “a baseball person watch over his baseball person” – Hiring Pat Gillick to watch over Rick Hahn.
I think Epstein told “We need to hire XX and here’s why our team approach worked in Boston.”
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Theo had 3 assistant GM's in Boston, right?
Probably will work about the same, only with Jed as ‘head assistant GM of Baseball Operations’. Different titles, approximate same job descriptions.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
My guess is that
McLeod will take Flrita’s role, with Oneri focusing on the Dominican.
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Yep
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if that’s how it went down.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe
Cubs fans aren’t giving Ricketts credit for learning and getting smarter? Or giving him credit for anything for that matter.
Oh horseshit
First of all, Ricketts has gotten a TON of credit for the hiring of Theo and Jed. But the fact remains that if this is ALL about Ricketts “learning and getting smarter” than his learning curve tilts upwards at an alarming rate starting in September, since he claimed the team didn’t need a President at the August press conference announcing Hendry was being let go.
Ricketts gets a lot of credit for listening to Theo when Theo presumably told him “I have a vision for the front office and that includes a team President of baseball operations.” This tells me that Ricketts is very open to taking the advice of his advisors (of which Theo now is one), which is why I asked the question “Who told Ricketts it was a bad idea to have a President in the first place.”
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
For the first time in 80 years,
our needles are all pointed in the correct direction. It took two years and change. I’m good with that.
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I'm good with it too, it's just curiosity
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
this isn't really a reply to you Nunya, just thought it was a good place to put my comment...
as one of those who constantly questioned Ricketts’ moves/statements…I make NO apologies to anyone here for it. Personally, TR confused me with, what seemed to be…contentment. He kept saying he had been satisfied with the job Hendry, Kenny, Lou and Quade were doing. That really threw me and greatly disappointed me. Now, if anyone knew all along TR was just posturing, well, more power to you. Oh and btw…. I think people on a website, get to voice their opinion, get to be wrong, get to admit it and get to move on. We don’t have to feel like a villain because we were “down” on Ricketts. or Quade or Hendry or Sandberg or anyone else in the Cubs org. Altho, if I behave badly as a co-blogger, then I would expect to be called out for THAT.
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 22, 2011 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
The posturing is pretty standard
You typically see the “the manager’s job is safe” quote from a GM and reporters all look at it and say to each “So, which Monday of the month will that guy be let go?”.
I don’t really think statements like that are aimed to confuse you or me, the fans. I think the goal by the owner or GM is to end that “when will he be fired” speculation in the media. From their perspective, it’s not helpful to their team so why not try to throw water on it.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Ricketts was posturing
I think he legitimately wanted to see if Hendry could turn it around. At some point in time during the early part of this season, he determined that he couldn’t. Ricketts doesn’t appear to be the type that makes rash decisions. He’s very deliberate in his actions – sign of a good leader IMO.
dear uptown,
not making rash decisions can also look like he’s not making ANY decisions until the decisions are made. In this case I’m glad you were right and I was wrong about TR. I know now, how he handles very important situations, this being his first huge one.
sincerely, cooliogirl :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Oct 22, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did you hear this?
“when Theo presumably told him "I have a vision for the front office and that includes a team President of baseball operations.”"
I have not heard anything of this until now. I would love to see an article that suggests this. If not, then this is a speculative statement at best.
seems epstein talked him into it
Epstein sold Ricketts on the need to add Hoyer, who was under contract to the Padres through 2013. He got his friend a general manager’s title — Epstein will assume the president’s mantle — and a five-year contract even though the Cubs will be required to send minor-league players to the Padres as a thank you for letting Hoyer walk.
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 22, 2011 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If this is the case, then I stand corrected
Still seems to be a fair amount of speculation in this article. We’ll probably get more insight on Tuesday.
How about learning more as he gains more experience?
Think of it this way – at some point in your life, you probably thought that a big fat man with white hair and a red suit brought you Christmas presents. What made you change your mind about that?
Uh, no.
Tom wanted Theo. Theo wanted to be president. Thus, Theo is president.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Like I said
if that’s the case, then I’ll stand corrected. I still don’t see any definitive confirmation of this.
Definitive, no.
But when Ricketts has gone on the record twice saying he had no interest in a middle man between him and the GM, and then he hires one, it’s really not a stretch to say it was Theo’s idea.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
You mean Gary Hughes
doesn’t bring me Christmas presents?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So, Tom Ricketts is a naive child?
It wasn’t like I was 24 and believe in Santa, and then two months later, no longer did. You keep talking about Ricketts “learning”, but he reiterated that he didn’t need a president in AUGUST. You really think he learned enough in two months to completely change his stance? Or do you think he probably got some advice he agreed with?
Which is actually more believable?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Others already included a link, but .....
" If not, then this is a speculative statement at best."
Which is why I said presumably. I was PRESUMING that Theo told him something along those lines since, Ricketts completely reversed field from August to October.
As Shoemile said, what made him change his mind if it wasn’t Theo?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
McLeod and Wilken
Can they co-exist?
I’m not saying they can’t, but Wilken is one of the few in the FO I’ve liked. I’m sure some specialization can occur (McLeod bootstraps the minors, Wilken heads amateur scouting?), but I am wondering who decides Pick 6.
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I'm sure they can coexist.
As has been pointed out, the Cubs have had one of the smallest baseball operations departments in MLB for many years. This is the time to expand it.
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I imagine so
I’m glad to get help from the system that snagged Jedd Gyorko.
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Another thing I like about Theo
That he even views his training staff this highly. Talk about covering all your bases
Although the joint Cubs-Red Sox release mentioned no other Red Sox personnel coming to Chicago, sources said that remains a possibility and would affect the final compensation package. Epstein is said to want head trainer Mike Reinold, a shoulder-
injury expert and former assistant to famed surgeon James Andrews, and vice president of baseball operations Brian O’Halloran.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
I've advocated for a better training staff for a while
Medical ineptitude seems to have contributed to some damage to Soriano and leaving Ramirez in the lineup while hitting .160 and grimacing with every swing. I know that players lie about injuries, but that is true on every roster. On the Cubs, players have obviously been hurt, but no one acted.
I know that happens on lots of teams
Super stars play hurt and there is only so much they can do. The BoSox did have their share of players out of shape and injuries.
There has be at least a little improvement in someone Theo trusts. even if he can’t bring along the head trainer that he could get someone almost equally as talented?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 22, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
The website
will have new names/titles soon.
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Tweet from Dan Bernstein:Crane Kenney held up the Theo talks
Dan is re-tweeting from a local Boston tv guy:
dan_bernstein Dan Bernstein
Wow. RT ScottWCVB "LynchieWCVB reports Crane Kenney was holding up talks ‘for his own interests’ and is in hot water with Commish.
Crane Kenney in hot water,
no problem.
Cubs in hot water, big problem.
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So much for Kenney not being involved in the baseball side.
Does he have pictures on someone?
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by troutfishin on Oct 22, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on the source..
Could be legit, could be another BoSox ‘source’ like whoever fed Gammons the line about us having a “bottom-3 farm system”. Whenever something goes bad, lots of people want to push the fickle finger of blame elsewhere.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
If this is true, this only goes to show what a true deuchebag that Crane Kenney is. Just fire him already!
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And if this is true, everything that anyone here who has
posted about Lucchino and Henry should eat some crow.
it just makes me weak in the knees the way gomez neither fixed or removed his crooked ass helmet after that puntoslide. -Trooper on Oct 5, 2011
by South Side Expat on Oct 22, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Right.
Sounds like there’s a lot of blame to go around on both sides. We may never know the full truth.
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I think having Kenney and Lucchino negotiating this
was a recipe for disaster. And it was.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
like the ad with the
dad and his daughter making a volcano in the kitchen.
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ahhh no cause Lucchino is still a jerk either way
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
I wondered if it might have something to do with Theo wanting to bring over one of the Boston VP's on the business side.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Maybe the guy
who was in charge of the Fenway renovation?
Hmmm
ScottWCVB Scott Isaacs
So @LynchieWCVB reports Cubs prez Crane Kenney was holding up Theo talks ‘for his own interests’ and is in hot water with Commish #redsox
So you got reports that henry was holding up the talks coming out of Chicago and in Boston you have reports that it was kenney…..Good stuff…..Cant wait for the book and or movie…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
As long as the
Theo’s wife character comes from the BCB ranks.
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I'm still amazed Kenney was allowed anywhere near this
Whether or not he was THE problem, or just part of the problem, it shoots down those who claim he has nothing to do with the baseball team
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Mr David Kaplan
might disagree with you….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 22, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Which part would he disagree with?
That Kenney was allowed anywhere near the negotiations?
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That Kenney is a
problem….But then they are very very close….From my understanding Kaplan will die for him but eh…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 22, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
And we care
Kenney clearly is Kaplan’s source. Kenney knows his role is changing, something he isn’t happy about, so he’s using the media to do his bidding. Kaplan’s old source was Hendry, but now he’s gone.
i am surprised he still has a job with the Cubs
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And the report from the Chicago Tribune has an near opposite position
Kenney was not supposed to be involved in the hiring process, but the Ricketts family believes he was instrumental in helping lure Epstein, according to a source, assuring the Red Sox GM he would have total control of all baseball-related decisions.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Always two sides to everything.
Those who hate Kenney will believe the worst things written about him.
Again...
… I’m still looking for anything or anyone out there who has anything positive to say about Kenney and can tell us what he brings to the organization.
Allies in the clergy?
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The new ST complex in AZ
is reportedly his work.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
apparently Paul Sullivan has a source and the source may have insight into how the Ricketts feel about Kenney.
And Kenney said the right thing to Epstein – I will not be involved in any of the baseball decisions.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
For me personally I neither
like or dislike Kenney…….I did worry that he could be a problem picking up a GM…….Though the rumors of him having his own uniform with the Number 1 and his name on it I do find humorous…..
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 22, 2011 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Just pointing that out
Like I mentioned in my post I like how one report in Chicago blames henry and one report in boston blames kenney….That is why I eagerly await the book / movie…..
That said I know berstein is going to rip on kenney on the score on monday and tuesday….
I want history to erase their every achievement.....I want them to feel the disgust in the red sox fans eyes when they look on them in shame....
- Theo Epstein on Larry Lucchino and John Henry
by CloudyFuture on Oct 22, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta get sports talk content from somewhere
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This doesn't make sense to me.
Ricketts said when Hendry was fired that Kenney has nothing to do with the baseball side. Why would Kenney need to assure Theo? If I’m Theo, I tell him to keep his assurances. I answer to Tom and no one else.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
There have been enough rumors of Kenney getting into baseball business
Or it could have been part of a peer interview with Kenney stating that the Ricketts are hands-off on the baseball operations.
Bentsen: Senator, I served with Jack Kennedy Theo Epstein, I knew Jack Kennedy Theo Epstein, Jack Kennedy Theo Epstein was a friend of mine. Senator, you’re no Jack Kennedy Theo Epstein.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
My wife
brought home an abandoned kitten last night. Whenever she does this, the stipulations on keeping the kitty is that I get to name him/her. So along with the two females we already have (Addison and Wrigley), it’s only appropriate I name this male kitten, THEO!!!!!
by kalamazoo_cubbie on Oct 22, 2011 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Make sure your pets are spayed, neutered, or circumsized.
Help protect the pet population!
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
ewwww cats
I love mine but its the last Ill ever get. Getting old and pissing ever – little biatch
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
And so, a New Era begins...
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
As long as Reinsdorf
refuses to spend on amateurs, the ChiSox are in for a rough patch.
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I still can't believe they actually hired Robin Ventura as manager. I would have hired Joe McEwing over Ventura.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe they
only signed one HS guy.
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If I was Theo I would put the compensation thing on the back burner.
Tell them you’ll get back to them after the winter meetings.
"Jed Hoyer" (parody of "Tom Sawyer" by Rush)
A modern-day GM
Mean mean stride,
The Cubs Jed Hoyer
Restore Cubs pride.
Though his mind’s on OPS
Don’t put him down to second guess,
Strong pitching or defense,
Riding out the day’s events.
The Ricketts
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about the hierarchy.
Catch the wind, catch the myth
Catch the mystery, catch the shift.
The world is, the world is,
This ball’s going deep,
Maybe as his eyes are wide.
Today’s Jed Hoyer,
We are high on you,
And the space he invades
He gets by on you.
No, his mind’s on OPS
Mark me down for a “yes”.
Not satisfied with second-best
Let’s get an A+ on the test.
Go Cubs Go!
And what you say about his company
Is what you say about the hierarchy.
Beat the Cardinals, beat the Sox
Tell them they can suck our…lollipops!
The world is, the world is
That one’s going deep.
Maybe as his skies are wide.
Exit the warrior,
Today’s Jed Hoyer.
He gets high on you,
And the players he trades,
He gets right on to the friction of the day.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 22, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Kudos! Well done Jeff
There are no facts, only interpretations.
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Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
You know what really pisses me aff about this whole thing?
The Cubs have no obligation whatsoever to compensate the Red Sox. They asked for the Red Sox permission to contact Theo about a job. The Red Sox granted permission. That should’ve been the end of story. Period.
If Google wants to hire an executive from Microsoft, does google have to compensate Microsoft with a trade? No. The whole thing is absolute BS.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
he was in a contract with the red sox so even if he quit
… he cant just go work for another team to make more money. Basically the red sox own his services for the length of the contract and they get to be compasated to let him out of the contract. I doubt google signs alotta people to contracts so if someone wants to quit google the can and go work for microsoft
Theo was still under a binding contract.
if Google tried to hire a Microsoft exec who was under contract, there absolutely would be compensation in some form or another
by Nunyabidness on Oct 22, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Please tell you're not a lawyer
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Rain Delay
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm anxious to find out.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
by katie casey on Oct 22, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Can't wait
Wondering what Jed Hoyer has to offer other than Epstein apparently wanting him on board. Same for McLeod. The Padres aren’t fighting to keep them and will probably hire or promote somebody to take at least one of the jobs being vacated.
Among Quade, Wilkens and Maddux, I would think at least two of the three will go by the wayside. Somebody would snatch-up Wilkens and Maddux in some capacity. I wonder if somebody will hire Hendry for anything. Would like to know if Sandberg rumors have any teeth. If they don’t want Quade, then I would think they have discussed the manager by now.
Can’t wait till they start reshaping the roster.
moorad is in love with byrnes
not sure why they let mcleod go so easily, considering he helped rebuild the padres farm system from the ground up
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 22, 2011 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Wilkens will stay around for 2012
He’s under contract. If he stays around after that will depend on how well he works with the rest of the front office and whether he wants to stay around.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 22, 2011 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like a standoff to me
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 22, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Sue has ninja skillz
she doesnt need a gun
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
First Move Announced!!
Soriano new bench coach
Isn't Soriano too old to be bench coach?
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 22, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wondering what thread you meant to put that in.
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A big; Well done!!!
to Tom Ricketts, for going out and getting one of the best, if not the best to lead the baseball organization. Ricketts deserves credit for seeing the light and selling Theo on coming onboard.
Now, it is time to let Theo do his thing and it will take sometime, for him to mold this the way he wants to.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
It's probably for the best that it is gone.
Too bad though, I had just come up with a funny response when it suddenly disappeared.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
To bad we couldn't of gotten Theo last year
With him negotiating with Hoyer we could of got Adrian Gonzalez.
bud will mediate the compensation talks
http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/32860052
we’re screwed
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
and replay
is strictly limited.
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