Theo Epstein Press Conference Tuesday, 11 am CT
by Al Yellon on Oct 24, 2011 10:56 AM CDT
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Finally!
Starbucks-gate will be over!
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Who do you think will ask Epstein if that was him at Starbucks?
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
AL!!!!
He promised
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs should cut a deal with Starbucks
Like Boston had with Dunkin Donuts. The banner at the press conference should be Cubs and Starbucks logos.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Non baseball decision.
I’ll put Crane Kenney on it.
Tom
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
I hope Demp learns The Bagel has MUCH better bagels
than Einsteins
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Never been...
… but I’ve got to agree with Jessica on “The Bagel”. NY Bagel and Bialy on Dempster is also quite good.
Check them out, on Armitage and Halsted by the brown line there.
They steam their bagels instead of toasting… it’s really something to behold.
Here I thought
you were going to claim that Theo was a paranoid android.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as...
…he doesn’t turn out to be a Green Plastic Watering Can…..that would be disappointing.
"It's cold in April and nobody likes hard stuff in April. You go right after them and get in on their hands and get them unexpected, and it's a lot of fun." -- Matt Garza, 3/2011
by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 24, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
Can’t imagine he’d leave us high and dry.
At least we're not going to be Let Down
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 24, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I might need my senioritis to kick in at 11 tomorrow and I'll ditch class to watch it lol
BEAR DOWN!
Speaking like an old person.
Go to class. DVR it.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
havent been posting here in a while...but i still visit BCB weekly....
I’m excited for tomorrow….and it’s my day off so I’ll be watching CSN….might even take a short drive to Wrigley….
Happy Theo Tuesday!
Two Words: Salty Saltwell
What will be his first official action
after the press conference?
My guess will be announcing compensation to San Diego.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
You mean he can't fire Quade DURING the press conference?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Oct 24, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I said after.
Doesn’t count if during.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Well if he is...
you know he’ll be clap clap clapping for Epsy!
What would he say?
Glad to have Theoie on the team?
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Steiny?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
With one stroke
He can send Quade packing with one stroke of his Eppy pen.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Oct 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll drink to that...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
He won an ESPY?
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
And the list of things we can say "Check" to
begins with Soriano being purged.
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Let's hope so.
Personally, I’d rather see a Zambrano trade as first on the list.
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I wouldn't mind Soriano going
but there is no way he’s the biggest problem on the team.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
For sure he's grossly overpaid
But a guy that hits 25+ HR’s and gets 80+ RBI is a useful player. He would hardly be the highest on the list, but with 3 years remaining, there might not be a better time to move him. With a year or two left, teams may just wait for the Cubs to outright release him rather than taking on any of the salary.
by jerry morales rules on Oct 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, that's an argument for why Soriano should be traded first.
I mean, deciding whether Zambrano or Soriano should be traded first is a little like picking your favorite flavor of ice cream. But Soriano’s value will not get higher (another year in left on those legs will cause further deterioration). Zambrano’s value probably can’t get lower.
I’d love to see them both gone. But, in a vacuum — i.e. not assessing trade partners’ needs and wants — trading Soriano probably should be priority one.
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Soriano is a good teammate and Z is not
Having Z return to the team will stain the organization going forward. I really can’t see how it’s even possible that Z is given any sort of permission to be anywhere near the team or the other players. He has to be dealt with first.
While I agree that if they are going to move Soriano, the market for him will not be higher than now, I also believe that if the Cubs keep him, they can still be fine. We are, after all, talking about maybe a savings of $7-8M a year. The Cubs will at least be on the hook for around $10M or so. Saving $7-8M on a guy who is at least somewhat useful isn’t a top concern for me.
by jerry morales rules on Oct 24, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, from all accounts
Soriano is a hard working and is very helpful to the younger Latin players. He was even helpful translating for Fukudome with the little Japanese he knew.
I don’t think any of us would have a problem with Soriano if he was making $3.5 million. Unfortunately, that’s probably all the salary relief we could get by trading him.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I think that's understating the Soriano problem.
Obviously, he’s not a bad guy, and I don’t question his work ethic. But he’s just terrible defensively, and he’s going to get worse. Plus, he limits our free agent options because any outfielder we sign for the next three seasons can’t be a left fielder. That would be OK if Soriano still put up 2007-08-style numbers. But I think we can write off any returns to that kind of form.
I understand that keeping Zambrano sends a very bad message. But, without assessing the market, I would still try to trade Soriano first to an AL team who figures that Soriano for three years as a DH will be more valuable than Soriano for three years as an outfielder.
Note that I’m not saying we should keep Zambrano. But the reasons we would rather trade Soriano after Zambrano (as far as listing priorities) are exactly why we could actually get rid of Soriano.
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by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soriano would be No. 1 on my list.
Zambrano would be 1a.
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THANK YOU!
I really don’t understand the whole “he hit 30 home runs and drove in 80”, conveniently not mentioning anything else (this is NOT directed to you Josh).
The fact is he’s a mediocre player with WAR the last 3 years cumulative of 4.4. (0.0, 3.1, 1.3)
For this team to improve that is one of the primary positions we can get better at. For me at least, it has NOTHING to do with his salary. He’s a nice guy, bad ballplayer.
But on my list of things I disliked about the Chicago Cubs
Sori isn’t in my top 3
Sori is overpaid and bad defense, but the Cubs would have to swollow likely a good chunk of $$$ trading him. It’d be great if the Cubs found someone who wanted pay him his 19 ish mill a year. But I don’t see that
Who ever replaces him are they going to have a higher WAR for the season?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
how did that damn thing repost? grrr
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
A higher WAR in 2012? Maybe not.
But, again, that’s the point. Trade him before he has lost all value — if you can.
Do we really want Soriano manning left field in 2013-14 when the Cubs might actually be good again?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
The problem is
…. he’s likely not tradeable NOW.
The Cubs might just have to eat the contract, or most of it.
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So what if they have to eat most of it?
If Soriano is getting out WAR’d by Tony Campana, saving $3 million in each of the next three years isn’t terrible.
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So what team do you think is going to take on part of this
contract?
I would be willing to bet that most of the 29 GM’s also realize he has these problems.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, now you're shifting the argument.
Are we keeping Soriano because he still has value — or are we keeping him because he’s untradeable because he no longer has value?
I’ve said from the start that if you’re assessing the two worst Cubs contracts (Soriano and Zambrano) that in a vacuum — and without a more thorough evaluation of the potential market for both players — I’d work to trade Soriano first. Soriano’s value will not get higher. Zambrano’s, probably, will not get lower.
Lastly, keep in mind that the best suitor for Zambrano is reportedly not interested.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Well I think both parts
enter into the debate of whether Sori could be traded or not b/c as you’ve mention this isn’t a vacuum.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
any chance Soriano could go to boston for Lackey?
… Big Papi is a free agent and they say theres no way Lackey comes back to boston. Sori could dh for them. i’d take a chance on Lackey…a change of scenery might do him some good
That, I would do.
I doubt the Red Sox would, though. Unless Ortiz leaves — then maybe they would.
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Ortiz will prolly want at least 3 years and 40 million
… so if the cubs sent cash and/or prospects along with Sori the sox would save money and be done with Lackey. its prolly a long shot but it would make sense for both clubs otherwise the Sox will pay Lackeys salary and only get prospects.
i wonder though,
if the Red Sox would be too bitter to make any deal that helps the cubs at this point….
So i you can give you can take it.
well...
Tony Campana had a higher WAR than Soriano last year. 1.5 to 1.3 – so yeah, I don’t think it would be difficult to replace his WAR.
How many games did Campana play last year?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
If Campana actually had to bat
rather than just pinch run, his WAR would go down considerably.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I just looked it up
So pay the second player $15 million over the next 3 years to not play for your team. Have the first player possibly be the replacement.
He had about 150 AB’s to Sori about 500
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/campato01-bat.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01-bat.shtml
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He is owed $ 57 million total
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Campana
will not produce a positive WAR if he has to play everyday against lefties and righties.
I’m not an expert on WAR calculation but how much of his positive WAR was due to SB’s after he came in as a pinch runner?
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on Oct 24, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He wouldn't be expected to.
If AS leaves, a RHH LF could be located on the cheap.
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He'd be a good $9 million DH, I think.
But there are only 14 teams that need a DH, and several of those (Kansas City, Tampa Bay, Oakland, Toronto) don’t have the resources to put $9 million into a player like Soriano. Other teams in the AL either already have big-money DHs, they use the spot to get a couple years out of an aging slugger (Posada) or they do a sort of rotation with their first basemen and outfielders (like the White Sox).
I’ve been a proponent of a Soriano-Dunn trade, but even that has serious problems.
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Vlad Guerrero
signed a one year, 8 million dollar contract last off-season. What makes you think that an AL team would want Soriano at three-years, $27 million? (Or maybe you meant $3 million a year for three years. If so, I’d just as soon cut him.)
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hideki Matsui
signed a one-year, $4.25 million last season. There is no market in the AL for DHs anymore.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This
I think a team would pay $4-5 millon per season for Soriano, but not much more. I would be ok with that.
by Northside Matt on Oct 24, 2011 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
$4M/year salary relief would be a pretty good start
Anything above that is gravy. By 2013, Soriano is going to be a RH bat off the bench in the NL.
That's a good point.
I meant $9 million a year — because I think he’ll be worth that as a DH in 2012. But it is essentially a 3-year deal. Crap.
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The problem as I see it
is that his contract is what is limiting our free agent options, and there isn’t anyone that’s going to take that on. As far as the idea that an AL team is looking to make him a DH, have you seen the DH market the past few off seasons? Vlad Guerrero can hardly find work.
As far as his defense goes, I know he looks bad out there but the numbers don’t support that he’s terrible. I suspect this is a problem with the defensive metrics, but I am comfortable saying that he’s probably a better left fielder than he looks. I’m not saying he’s as good as the numbers say, but he’s probably not as bad as our eyes are telling us either.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on the DH market (see above).
But this is a player who has had serious leg problems. Let’s say you’re right and he’s not as bad defensively as he appears. Shouldn’t we try to trade him before he gets really awful (by any measure) and/or time in left eats away at his offensive productivity?
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If we can get something for him
absolutely. I’m just not sure there’s any market for him.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano for Dunn.
That’s the only way I see it happening. I think the chances that Dunn will be better in 2013-14 on an NL are MUCH higher than Soriano’s. Now, I don’t think this is at all likely, unfortunately. Kenny seems to be banking on Dunn bouncing back.
To your point above — why would you cut Soriano instead of saving $9 million (total) over the course of three years in a trade? It’s not a lot of money, but it’s better than what the Cubs would get if Soriano cleared waivers and signed elsewhere.
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Why?
Do you really think Dunn will be worse (on an NL team) in 2013-14 than Soriano? Keep in mind that Dunn is a little more than a year removed from 38 home runs — a total Soriano has never even approached as a Cub. Plus, Dunn is years younger.
I’d rather the Cubs have neither guy on the the team. But I’d take Dunn, given his age, his price tag, his relative lack of injury (chronic or otherwise) and his more recent success, over Soriano.
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Oh, and Dunn has the good guy stuff that Soriano has.
He’s also left handed, meaning he brings more balance to the lineup and he can draw more walks sitting on the bench than Soriano can while he’s in the lineup.
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GETITDONETHEO
Boy that made me happy to type that
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Why are you guys so certain of this?
Rather, why are you so certain that a 32-year-old guy with career OPS of .876 (and an OPS of .892 in 2010) will be worse for the next three seasons than a 35-year-old guy with a career .829 OPS and none higher than .892 since 2007?
Throw in the fact that Dunn has no significant history of injuries, that he’s no worse than Soriano defensively, that he could add lefty balance to the lineup and the fact that he’s $12 million cheaper and I don’t know how you couldn’t be all for this trade.
Dunn had a terrible 2011. As far as I can tell, that’s the only thing you’re using to make this call.
Now, I’m not saying the White Sox would be interested, necessarily. But I don’t know how on Earth the Cubs wouldn’t be.
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If it had been only part of a season...
… or only mediocre, I’d say so.
But that year was historically bad. It seemed like he was absolutely clueless at the plate.
Plus, at age 32 he’s not going to be getting any better in the outfield or at first base.
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As opposed to Soriano getting better at 35?
I disagree with the offensive argument, but I understand it. But there’s no validity in arguing defense to say Soriano will be better than Dunn, Al.
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True
But we are talking about a different amount of $$.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn gets $44 million over the next three years.
Soriano (per Cotts) gets $54 million. The Cubs should cover the difference, put Soriano on the Red Line and be done with it.
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Believe it or not
I’m not a huge fan of Sori’s. I’ll admit we aren’t sure what Dunn’’s career but @ 32 he’s probably not going to bounce back to being the AS he was. He’ll likely do better than this last year. So that would some one slightly better in the outfield with someone who may or may not put up the #’s the player you already have is for about 10 mill.
How much of an improvement is there?
So we are trading huge contract for huge contract.
There aren’t behavior issues there
Do you actually think that the Cubs are going to be able to trade him in real life? Or that they would be willing to eat that much of his contract?
Or are we just pondering this b/c it’s a boring Monday?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Mostly it's a boring Monday.
It’s also that I’m amazed that more Cubs fans wouldn’t be all about this.
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me too :)
Although when I sat down and looked @ Sori’s #’s they were higher than I would have thought.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn had the worst season of his life last season ...
and his OBP was still better than Soriano’s.
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By three points!
So what? Dunn’s OPS was .569. Soriano’s was .759.
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Soriano still has power
which is more than Dunn can say.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn hit 49 home runs in the past two years.
Soriano hit 50.
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Look, you think Dunn is going to bounce back
We don’t. Soriano had 26 home runs last season. Dunn had 11. Dunn had 27 extra base hits last year. Soriano had 27 doubles.
Here’s where scouting comes in. Soriano still has enough bat speed to crush a fastball. He can’t recognize a slider in the dirt, but he can still turn on a fastball. Dunn no longer has enough bat speed to even turn on a fastball. This is why I don’t think he’s coming back.
Feel free to disagree. But you’re not going to convince me by continuing to lump Dunn’s 2010 in with his 2011.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Now wait a second, Josh.
It takes two to tango. So, don’t throw this “Look” business at me. You might not like the fact that I’m sticking to my guns, but don’t get cranky because I’m arguing a point with you on a blog where we debate sports.
You’re entitled to your opinion. You’re not entitled to be angry at others for having them.
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Hey, el....
… ease off. I don’t think Josh meant anything snarky by it.
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Could have fooled me, Al.
Read as pretty condescending.
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Then I'm sorry
But you are reading way too much into it. And I’d kind of like an apology for jumping to that kind of a conclusion.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It read to me ...
like you were annoyed that I hadn’t accepted your take on this. And I “lumped” Dunn’s stats exactly one time (though I did bring up his 2010 performance previously).
I am sorry if I misread the situation. I am more than happy to stick a fork in this debate.
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I'm not angry at anyone
And I’m sorry that the word “Look” somehow offended you. It’s just a verbal tic. I have no idea what you’re reading into that.
All I was saying is that you’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you so we might as well drop it. We’ve both made our points.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not angry at anyone
And I’m sorry that the word “Look” somehow offended you. It’s just a verbal tic. I have no idea what you’re reading into that.
All I was saying is that you’re not going to convince me and I’m not going to convince you so we might as well drop it. We’ve both made our points.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
So what?
It was the absolute worst of his career, Al!
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I agree with Josh's analysis above.
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I hadn't noticed that.
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by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dunn was a young player with old player's skills
Those guys tend to fall off a cliff in their early 30s. Boog Powell, Mo Vaughn are two examples I can think of.
Soriano’s skills are eroding, but they’re unlikely to go so fast. He was very athletic when he was younger. They tend to age better.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought OBP was considered pretty ageless.
Anyway, haven’t Soriano’s skills already eroded pretty quickly?
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If you get your OBP from walks
that’s old person’s skills. If you draw walks and have a high AVE, that’s not so old.
My point is that Soriano I believe that Soriano is likely to be a better player than Dunn next season.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
What about 2013-14?
I’m far more concerned about those two years than 2012.
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I think they'll both be so bad by 2014
that it won’t make any difference. They’ll likely both get cut.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Josh is right.
No team is going to lock up the DH with Soriano at any meaningful salary when there are Guerrero, Thome, Matsui, etc. type players available every off-season at a more reasonable price. The Cubs would have to pick 75% of the Sori deal to have any hope of trading him.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Well, would that be such a bad thing?
Let’s say the Cubs have to eat 75 percent of the contract. That’s still a savings of $13.5 million.
I don’t have any problem with him personally. But I’m puzzled at how loathe people are to ditch him considering his leg injuries, his age and the fact that the Cubs can’t DH him.
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It wouldn't be against it
but then the Cubs still need to sign a replacement. I’m not on-board the Tony Campana in LF solution.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
by rlpete on Oct 24, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed there.
But … we’d have $13-14 million (combined with the Ramirez/Silva/Grabow money) to do it.
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But some has to go to replacing Ramirez in that case.
I’m not really disagreeing with you in any case. If they can move him then fine. I just think he is going to cost a lot to move.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
That's why the Dunn-Soriano trade makes sense.
Dunn needs a change of scenery and a non-DH role to get his swing back. Soriano will be a lot easier to watch the next three years as a DH.
Even if the Cubs had to pay the difference in salaries ($12 million) they still have money to use on the rotation, in left and at third. And they get a 32-year-old lefty power hitter who is one year removed from a near-.900 OPS whose defense isn’t any worse at first than Soriano’s is in left.
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whose defense isn’t any worse at first than Soriano’s is in left.
Yes, it is. Want to see Castro make 50 throwing errors in 2012? Put Dunn at 1B.
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You have seen Alfonso Soriano in left, right?
Sorry, to be snarky. But if Dunn’s defense at first is worse than Soriano’s in left, do you think it’ll be worse in 2014 when Soriano is (gasp) 38?
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by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But a RF'er
is involved in FAR LESS plays someone playing 1st.
Have you seen our SS field?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean a LFer.
But, yes, your point is valid. I just think Soriano in left in 2013-14 will be beyond terrible.
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by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Dunn won't?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn at first ...
won’t regress more than Soriano in left, no.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
so you'd prefer dunn in 2013 @ 1st?
Yikes!
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Than Soriano in left?
In a heartbeat.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Oct 24, 2011 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
You must have WAY WAY WAY more faith in our infield if you’re ok with a below 1st man. I TONS of errors b/c of that. Hence lots of unearned runs.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If Castro keeps throwing that badly, he need to move off short
The Washington SS didn’t have 50 errors in 2010 throwing to/at Dunn. It has been done….
LF is a pretty easy position to fill
To get someone good, the Cubs would need to spend more than they get in relief on Soriano. But a decent LF with reasonable offense shouldn’t cost $10M/year.
Dunn was charged with 13 errors in 2010...
… a large number for a 1B. Ian Desmond was the primary SS for them, he made 34 errors.
Compare that to Pena & Castro in 2011: 8 and 29.
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4 errors in just 35 games this last year
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano is a hard working and is very helpful to the younger Latin players. He was even helpful translating for Fukudome with the little Japanese he knew.
Wait, what? Soriano speaks some Japanese? How did I miss that?
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by CaughtInTheVines on Oct 24, 2011 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
He played in Japan.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Soriano started his career in Japan.
Played a couple of years there.
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He may be a wonderful teammate, but he is owed $36M more than Z
And as a pitcher with one year left on his deal, Z may be easier to move during spring training. Any deal for Soriano will take some groundwork.
Z won't make it to spring training
at least not on the field. I guess it’s possible that he would still be with the Cubs, but not in any playing capacity.
by jerry morales rules on Oct 25, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking forward to hear what he has to say.
I hate the stupid Melo ads. They screw up the front page. Nothing helps either.
You should click on them many times
to make them go away. :-)
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
I wasn’t sure what you talking about until I logged on to my laptop tonight. Our other 2 computers must somehow have that blocked
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
so sick of clicking on accident
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read and do something about it
are 2 different things
by cozmotaylor123 on Oct 24, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Al's right
they emailed back a work a few times and I sent them the errors I got in Internet Explorer. I don’t get errors anymore.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll definitely
be watching. Wondering if Kenney will be attending. I’m guessing he will because otherwise that would be very telling.
Will they be presenting him the World Series Trophy at the press conference, or later in the week?
Relax, people. The most exciting thing to come out of this press conference will be what stupid goat-related questions that Paul Sullivan asks.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Actually, I think it'll be more interesting ...
when Theo is asked if he was really at Starbucks a couple weeks back.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
That should be the first question
followed up by why he was driving a Honda CRX
by Northside Matt on Oct 24, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Rental, I'd guess.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Honda Pilot, from what I recall from the article.
I don’t know of any companies that rent those.
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Personal car of a member of the Cubs staff?
And if Theo had asked for a Ferrari, you find a Ferrari……
Six years for me
but who’s counting?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 24, 2011 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
does that include grad school
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
College life meant my only responsibilities were school, friends, and work
Responsibilities now include a wife, daughter, career, maintaining a home, keeping woodpeckers from destroying my home, stopping carpenter ants, paying a mortgage, putting away money for my daughter’s college tuition 17 years from now, saving for retirement, staying healthy, etc., etc., etc.
Yeah, I love my wife and daughter, but you can have most of the rest.
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 24, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Not worth another post.
Theo had lunch with some of his staff; check out the video.
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He looks unhappy in that photo.
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by Al Yellon on Oct 24, 2011 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He saw his first trough?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
He didn't find the statue of himself yet?
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's just choked up with excitement.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
Seeing a Wrigley trough will do that to you...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Oh, it'll choke you up alright.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
You can swim in them?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Skinny, bad sweater
Tension must have got to him
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
def not the best picture of him
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No joke
that TBell has the nicest employees. At least on non game days – Id rather not step over the drunks on game days.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
He saw HWSNBN.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Next... What Theo did in the rest... errrrr...
I don’t think I want to know.
I mean really…
Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum: habemus Papam. Eminentissimum ac reverendissimum dominum, Dominum Theo, Sanctae Chiagae Ecclesiae cardinalem Epstein, qui sibi nomen imposuit Viktor.
Ok?
;-)
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Most people laugh at me when I tell them
I took 3 years of Latin 40 years ago. Strangely I understood almost all of this. Admittedly it wasn’t all that hard. Who knew all those years of Latin study would finally pay off?
It's not much of a cheese shop is it?
Audio, video, disco
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Thank God he's moving to a lesser market with lesser pressure where no one will recognize him when he goes out to eat.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Right.
No one will bother him at all in Chicago.
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Hey!
Mr Epstein is eating. I suggest you leave him alone, if youze knows what good fer ya.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this
A source said it could be the biggest news conference the team has held at Wrigley.
I wish they would cram all the media into the same tiny dungeon the coaches and players use.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs president Crane Kenney was not in the group.
i like theo a lot
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was cleaning up the black slime
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
kenney isn't cool enough to sit at the cool kidz table
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by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I would guess not
This is an intro press conference, do any real news ever come out of them?
BTW I hope you don’t mind my sig line
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
How dare you!
Nah, it’s cool. It makes me look like a super genius.
And yeah, it’s only an intro conference, but how often does Ricketts address the media? If someone’s got the stones to report that Kenney was a hold up, I think they should allow Ricketts a chance to comment on it.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Ricketts will surely speak at this n/c.
But this is about Theo — not Kenney.
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Well, it's about Theo moving into a newly created position.
I think it’d be pretty standard to ask what that entails.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I doubt TR will address the issue at all
Much less when a million flash bulbs are going off.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'd be interested to hear...
…how Theo’s job duties will differ from Kenney’s — specifically. Neither Ricketts nor Epstein will probably go into that many specifics, but it’s be worth asking nonetheless.
Baseball is pitching, offensive production, baserunning and defense.
That's the only way I can make sense of Kenney being meddlesome.
He inserting himself because there possibly has been a transfer of certain powers/responsibilities.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Ricketts could explain like this
Epstein is in charge of getting us good players.
Kenny is in charge of getting us good bobbleheads.
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by RiskyBusiness on Oct 24, 2011 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Did that guy from Theo's staff who was in charge of renovating Fenway come with him?
…. if so, wont he be working with Kenney?
Let's see - one guy who got something done, and another who has yet to do the same thing....
Who should be working for whom?
I sometimes wonder if Theo's cell phone is surgically attached to his ear.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
Hendry's phone was
so that’s not exactly a ringing endorsement.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I just phoned it in
Didn’t make the connection until just now.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
All this punning is dinging my dong
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
You might enjoy
this then.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
OMG - OMG - LOL - Just fell out of bed...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
And this?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
That turned me off
and then on again.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
A flippin iPhone and it's beautiful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N49fycoODR4
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I miss the TWO Ronnies
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad calls? Queue the call for instant replay...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
He's like the Borg of GMs
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by Craig in South Bend on Oct 24, 2011 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps Theo can hire this guy
( if he can get him away from the pig farm)
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 3:54 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Simply incredible.
Thanks for linking – but I think that deserves it’s own fanshot.
by Orval Overall on Oct 24, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought of it
but it did net mention Theo.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Oct 24, 2011 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Bacon your pardon,
at first I thought this was nothing but hogwash.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
New era
Already setting the DVR and will keep it forever.
I wonder if any players will be there. Possibly Dempster and Wood since they live here?
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
It is weird seeing him in front of Wrigley
I guess it still has not set in for me yet. Glad to have you in Chicago Theo, best of luck!
I hope the press conference is 5 minutes long...
TR: “Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome our new President of Baseball Operations, Mr. Theo Epstein!”
::Round of Applause::
::Camera Flashes::
TE: “Thank you, I’m glad to be here in Chicago and grateful for the opportunity the Ricketts’ Family has given me. I’m here to make this baseball team a perennial winner and to build a World Series Championship caliber team.”
Reporter: “Theo, can you give us some insight on the process of the last week and a half that got you here?”
TE: “Did you hear me just say why I’m here?”
Reporter: “Well, yeah, but we’re all wondering….”
TE: “Then you’ll understand why I’m going to ignore your question. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got a lot of work to do between now and the start of the winter meetings….and then I have even more work to do after that.”
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 24, 2011 4:14 PM CDT reply actions
That wouldn't even be five minutes.
Two, maybe.
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Yeah, I didn't add the awkward silence before he walked out of the room.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Oct 24, 2011 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
And don't forget the time the translation takes...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Don't forget the announcements..
that Mike Quade has agreed on a reassignment for the 2012 season, and that Carlos Zambrano has been DFA’d.
(If you’re going to pay all but $1 or $2 million to get someone else to take him, I think you’d be better off “announcing your presence with authority”, Theo.)
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 24, 2011 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly, I don't care what happened the last two weeks.
I want to know what he’s gonna do first, like cut, trade, or fire somebody.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Ill probably be at the meetings again this year - if I can afford the ticket
last year was pretty cool.
I know a lot of people do not like Randy Bush but he was one of the nicest men I have ever met. His business card is still on the fridge.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Whoever put that on reddit
… stole it from here.
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This has nothing to do with Theo
but I thought I’d mention it. I follow many of the Cubs minor leaguers on Twitter. Twitter is now telling me that people I follow also follow @Playboy and that I might want to as well.
Ah, to be young again.
I saw on reddit the other day
that Facebook somehow recommended he/she become friends with their therapist. Try explaining that one.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
The one I want to know
is that Twitter recommended I follow my sister-in-law. There were absolutely no followers in common between the two of us. She has absolutely no interest in baseball. I have no idea how Twitter knew we were related. It scared the crap out of me.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 24, 2011 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this Dunn / Soriano conversation is funny.
I wouldn’t trade Soriano for Dunn under most any condition, but I would get rid of Soriano under most any condition.
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by dtpollitt on Oct 24, 2011 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The only scenario that I could see is if no cash changes hands
Then the Cubs have instantly saved $4M/year, the baseline “move Soriano” scenario. Then it doesn’t matter if Dunn can no longer find his butt with both hands.
The coverage starts tomorrow
at 10:30 on CSN. Theo will be on CTL tomorrow night at 5:30. I can only imagine what Kaplan will ask him.
Interesting...
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Maury Brown
Can you trade MLB players as part of an Executive move? Well, you can. Details tomorrow.
The plot thickens
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adios Untouchable
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by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
that would be a very unshrewd move
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by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be thrilled if that is all we gave up...
would much rather keep our minor league talent.
cannot stand Maury Brown
clearly knows his stuff but couldnt stand him when I met him.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Theo confirms he was at the Starbucks
Heard on the Score as I was driving home, someone had asked him today at lunch if he was at Starbucks on that Saturday… he said yes. Guess the guy in the purple shirt was right after all.
Well, somewhere, Paul Sullivan is laughing.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
We need a term
to collectively refer to Espstein, Hoyer, and McLeod/ Just sayin’
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Here's a start
Theoyer, I just can’t finagle McLeod in there
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by ClarkFan on Oct 24, 2011 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I vote for this one.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Stat Pack is the most clever I've heard
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Oct 24, 2011 6:57 PM CDT reply actions
The talk at the (Tribune) Tower was that Crane wanted more than anything for the Rickettses to retain him so ultimately he could wind up commissioner of baseball."
uh…
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
(thunderclap)
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Whole article is gold.
Whether it’s getting bottled water from the dugout during a game, using the team’s training room for his personal use or refusing to give up the biggest office at Wrigley Field to the new owner, Kenney has angered someone in every nook and cranny at Wrigley.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
the article moved me from the neutral camp
to the kenney is an incompetent poopiehead who performs a function that is a complete mystery to me camp
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome
Seating getting limited.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Holy hell save room for me.
He wouldn’t give up his office (the largest) to the new owner? That’s on Ricketts then for not moving his stuff to a supply closet.
by sue369 on Oct 24, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or the biggest office at the ballpark in Boise.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Oct 24, 2011 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
starbucks manager?
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Oct 24, 2011 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Just when I'm happier than I've been about the Cubs in years I read this;
“I’m not fully convinced Crane is completely out of the baseball side,” the source said. “Let’s wait and see.”
And a cold chill goes down my spine…
BS on Crane having any involvement
Watch Theo’s introduction
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