NLDS Game 5: Diamondbacks/Brewers, Phillies/Cardinals
by Al Yellon on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM CDT
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PrintThis postseason has had quite a bit of drama already, and Thursday night's Game 5 at Yankee Stadium was a terrific game with a lot of tension and a last few innings to remember.
Friday, the Diamondbacks, Brewers, Phillies and Cardinals will hopefully provide some more dramatic moments. Only two of those teams will survive to start the NLCS on Sunday. It's Yovani Gallardo vs. Ian Kennedy in Milwaukee -- where it might even be warm enough to leave the roof open at Miller Park. with a forecast high of 76 there today -- and former Toronto teammates Roy Halladay and Chris Carpenter facing each other in Philadelphia.
Full details on today's games after the jump.
p>Both games today are on TBS.
4 pm CDT for Cardinals/Phillies. Series tied 2-2. Dick Stockton (play-by-play) will call the game alongside Bob Brenly (analyst) with Craig Sager as a reporter.
7:30 pm CDT for Diamondbacks/Brewers. Series tied 2-2. Victor Rojas (play-by-play) and Joe Simpson (analyst) will call the action with Sam Ryan as a reporter. This game is on TNT.
MLB.com Gameday for Cardinals/Phillies
MLB.com Gameday for Diamondbacks/Brewers
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Baseball-reference.com game preview for Diamondbacks/Brewers
SB Nation game preview for Cardinals/Phillies
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This is the only thread I'm posting for today's games. If you need overflows due to extra innings or rain delays, post them in the fanshot section.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Incredible game last night
That whole band-aid deal made me want to watch the Yankees lose even more last night and I didn’t know that would be possible.
Should be a good night of baseball. I say Phillies and D’Backs win tonight.
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Yeah, what was the whole bandaid thing about?
A distraction to the batter? It was flesh colored. Or did the Yankees fans want to gawk at an open wound, some kind of pleasure for watching their team fight wounded animals metaphorically speaking (sharks with blood in the water)?
Did they start chanting “Finish him!”
by ddoubleheader on Oct 7, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Girardi claimed it wasn't gamesmanship.
Yeah, right.
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Al, I think the teams are wrong with the schedule.
It says on MLB.com that the Diamondbacks and Brewers are playing right now and the Cardinals and Phillies play at 8pm EST tonight. Not trying to nitpick, just happened to notice it.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 7, 2011 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It was gamesmanship....
Poor gamesmanship on the Yankees part. All that was missing was throwing salt around to get some in the wound.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 7, 2011 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, you're right.
I had the games backwards. My fault.
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Note to self:
Stop making predictions, you are the anti-prediction master…
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
OT: Help!
My darling daughter (who’s away at college in Milwaukee) just told me that she recently started seeing a guy that is 13 years older, doesn’t have a job and “BTW Mom, he’s a Brewer fan.” I’m trying not to freak out, but she’s coming home this weekend and it’s going to be pretty darn tempting to lock her in her room and throw away the key. What’s a poor mother to do?
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Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
It seems like many good kids go through "loser" relationship phases.
Let’s hope that’s what she is going through. Otherwise, look on the bright side, at least he is a baseball fan.
I bet your daughter would be thrilled that you're telling perfect strangers about her personal life.
She knows when I'm joking.
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You can only hope that SHE is joking.
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Even if she isn't
it’s OK….but the Brewers? Ugh. Having seen what can happen in a mixed marriage (my sister went over to the dark side when the Sox won in 05), I’m afraid for her.
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Well, yes.
As noted elsewhere, that is the most concerning part of this whole thing.
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The Brewer fan part is concerning,
I agree.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Exactly.
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If she's going to Marquette
she’ll come to her senses. Otherwise, you might planing on obtaining a backup daughter just in case she’s permanently disabled.
If it wasn't for the injuries, we'd be printing WS tickets right now.
Yep.
No backup needed.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
Trying not to judge til I meet him, but yeah...it's weird.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
personally, I don't think anything about this is cause for alarm.....the way he treats her is the only issue :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I pick the home teams. But....
it is not going to surprise me if both visitors win. The don’t care for the Cardinals but I’m also torn for supporting the NL Central. Many times pundits say the NL Central is weak. I just don’t see it that way. Weak in the minds of the Eastern Sports Programming Network who show the Red Sox-Yankees every time they play, maybe.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
Brenly off duty
for tonight’s NLDS finale in Philadelphia to attend his son’s wedding. Nice to see a dad who clearly puts family ahead of his broadcasting career as we’ve seen throughout this season. Good for him!
Indeed. And I hope McCarver recovers from his heart procedure.
Whatever you think of McCarver, and I’m not a fan, I hope he pulls through without any problems.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 7, 2011 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Go whomever!!!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I hate the Brewers and Cardinals...
That is all.
by cubfanwill on Oct 7, 2011 6:34 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Such pressure in Brewers/D'Backs game
this is why Marmol will never be a real closer, could you imagine this guy trying to save 11 playoff game with the pressure and his control issues? This was Hendry’s final nuc bomb to Cubs fans, 17 million for two more years with this guy.
I'm hoping the D'Backs come back to win this.
And that the Phillies beat the Cardinals tonight.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 7, 2011 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
D'Backs coaching staff is amazing
Gibson, Tram, Don Baylor, Matt Williams, Eric Young, Charles Nagy, they get the absolute most out of that team.
D'backs are eliminated
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
Ugh....bet the Cardinals win now.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
Which would really suck, because they have a better chance of losing to the Brewers
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Oct 7, 2011 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Doubly suck...
because they’d either lose to the Brewers or make the World Series. Neither is an acceptable alternative. I’m forced to cheer for the Phillies.
Nyjer Morgan...
Great clutch hitting…but afterwards when he was celebrating on the field, I lip-read what he was saying and asked my wife, “Did he just say, ‘Fuck yeah!’?” She thought so, and then it was confirmed when he said it twice more when he was in range of the mike. Classy, there, Nyjer.
To be fair, though, I could see myself doing the same thing in the heat of the moment.
If we complain,
could we get the Brewers fined? j/k. I think.
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Nyjer Morgan is a punk.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
Water is wet
I'm a Cubs fan. The Jaded Bitterness comes as a Standard Feature.
Nyjer Morgen is
a sane Milton Bradley with better stats. Still has the anger and the a-hole aura.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
And there were a bunch of people here
who laughed at the start of the season that the Brewers sunk so low to actually get Morgan for the non-prospect Cutter Dykstra. I didn’t understand why. Yes, he may be a jerk at times but he is a good player. I suspect the Brewers are happy with his .304 / .357 / .421 line.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
All I can think of is Carlos Marmol
blowing that game on Sep 25th, it would left the Cards on death door being three out with four to play. Now they look like the Packers of last year if they win tonight. Sickening.
This would be a HUUUGE upset though
GB was a legit team and surprised no one by winning in the playoffs.
Wasn't that September 24th?
I was at the game that Marmol blew….still leaves a sick feeling about how close we were to taking them out.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
Marmol blew TWO easy saves against the Cardinals this year.
The other one was in June. If he makes those two, the Braves are in the playoffs.
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yes, it was Saturday Sep 24th
worst loss of the year, just a pathetic job by Marmol,1-0 cubs, runner on third with two outs, he walks three straight o ties and then throws a wild pitch to lose it.
Ugh.
Brewers vs. Cardinals in NLCS?
I might throw up.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
Yeah I think I am going to go with Detroit
but I dont have any problems with the Rangers taking it. They are deserving.
I like Verlander alot.
I’m rooting for him and the Tigers this year.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
3 out of 4
of the championship series contenders are from the Central Divisions. Quite a difference from how it is most of the time.
NLCS: Beer and miscolored birds.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just sickening...
All the crap I have been catching from Cardinal fans, and it looks like I’m gonna get another round of it….Dang it, blow this lead already!!!!
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
Can't believe I have watched this whole stinking game.
I hate the Cardinals.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
yeah they probably should have played dead that series
Braves were on the way down while the Cards were on their way up
I think I need to get drunk.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
I just threw up a little in my mouth
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
I throw up a little every time I see their logo!
It’s like no one in that organization has ever seen an actual cardinal.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And you are complaining that the logo isn't realistic?
Really grasping at straws. Have you seen the Cubs logo through the years? I’m not sure that would get mistaken for a real bear cub.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Well, Cardinals have red or reddish beaks.
They don’t remotely have yellow beaks. The Blue Jays original logo captured the look of a Blue Jay. It’s not hard. What the Cardinals have would be like a panda bear without the black coloration around the eyes or the Brewers having a cob of corn on their logo. There’s a different between stylistic representation and leaving something important out, especially when that something is there (the beak), just the wrong color.
I mean, it’s like they originally designed a cardinal hearing about it secondhand from someone or drawing it then coloring it based on a B&W photo.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally I think yellow beak
works well with the yellow bat and helps the design to flow. It doesn’t bother me that they took that liberty.
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I don't have a problem with it, either.
It’s still closer than this monstrosity was:
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Old School Orioles
looks like a restaurant mascot. Olly’s Oysters or something…
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok idc Im all for the Cardinals in the NLCS
I hate the Brewers as much as both Sox teams!
"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker
Ugh oh.
Howard tear an ACL? Let’s hope not.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
Looks like an ankle problem.
Terrible way to end your season.
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Looked b.a.d.
I’ll hope it was as ‘emotional as it was physical’
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And his new contract
Starts next year! Great timing, Philadelphia. You’re only on the hook for 5 years and $125 million.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
HERE'S A FUN ONE!
Ryan Howard, almost 32 years old, $138M through 2017 + NTC
Alex Rodriquez, 36 years old, $143M til 2017 +$30M marketing + NTC
YOU MUST CHOOSE ONLY ONE! Pick now!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Correction:
A-Rod is through 2017, too
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Well, Congrats to the Cards
I dont like to see them in it, but the tears of Philly fans taste like candy.
Funny, I thought they tasted...
like Philly cheesesteaks, greasy too.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Unbelievable
I’m rooting for the al winner in the world series. Or hopefully a meteor wipes out the NL series.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Oct 7, 2011 10:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
No meteors needed.
Just go Rangers and/or Tigers.
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I gotta hope it's either Tigs or Crew
Josh…unless I missed it, your work with minor league went w/o applause…thanks. I don’t follow like I should, but I enjoy your stuff.
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Oh, thank you.
I got some applause. It was nice.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
So the Brewers
are seen as friendly, fun rivals up north when they don’t pose a challenge to the Cubs, but when they clean the Cubs’ clock whilst simultaneously smashing it, then they get a bunch of hate?
Brewers vs. Tigers FTW. Brewers never won a WS, just having that one run in ‘82 while the Cardinals are 2nd only to the Yankees in # World Series wins, and they have one from 2006 anyway and were in the 04 World Series. Tigers haven’t won since, what, 1984? They seem like a tough, interesting team (hate their home uniforms though. Road uniforms look so much better). It would be nice to see either of ’em win a World Series.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Brewers thing
is different for those Cubs fans (like me) who actually grew up or have lived in Wisconsin. For some of us, the Brewers are a bigger rival than either the White Sox or the Cardinals. Some of what you’re seeing is different people being vocal at different times.
I hate the Brewers as an abstract concept, but I’m having trouble hating these Brewers because they play entertaining baseball. I’m still pulling for the Tigers overall, but I’ll take the Brewers over the Cardinals in the NLCS.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You are right, it depends on where we live.
In central Illinois it is all Cubs or Cardinals, nobody cares about the Sox or Brewers so most will root for the Crew.
Where and when I grew up it was more about the Sox.
The Brewers were in the AL, so we’d root for them over the Sox. I’ve disliked the Cardinals longer as a division rival, so I will root for the Brewers…reluctanty.
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I've seen sports maps
dividing this country into 30 (err, 29) ‘states’. northern IL & Iowa are Cubs territory, as are parts of Indiana, but downstate IL is Cardinals territory. Even the state capital, as run down as it is, is Cardinals territory. General rule of thumb is the further south & further west you go, the more Cardinals it becomes.
And from my memory:
SIU is all Cards
NIU is all Cubs. Not sure how many White Sox fans are there.
WIU is split between Cards & Cubs, Cards slightly favored
EIU is locally dominated by Cards, but because its student territory draws from a lot of Cubs territory, it makes it seem like 2:1 Cubs: Cards. Had a fair number of Sox fans, though Cubs > Sox by numbers.
UofI. Strangely never was through or around there in times baseball jerseys and sentiments would be worn outside, only football & basketball season. Seemed like Cubs territory.
And yeah, White Sox have their core on the Southside, southern suburbs, a little beyond that (not sure where Kankakee’s loyalties are) and spreads out a little west from down around Will County. Beyond there, it’s just a dissident minority across Cubs territory.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess that NL Central
isnt as weak as the experts would make us think
by bheidge on Oct 7, 2011 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
(hee-hee)... I'm kinda glad
but it made me recall my own pain of the Cubs last few playoffs… I am glad for the Crew tho…
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ahem... MY SINCERE APOLOGIES
I blame myself for this tragic turn of events…when Cards were ‘out of it’ (8.5 back) I said/posted & picture enforced that they were “DONE”. Guess I was wrong.
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Crap. Just crap. And
to have ADVANCED?! hurts.so.bad.
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Pundits always
talk down the Central Divisions. To the East Coast pundits, it’s all just a giant blur called flyover country. They miss the 2005 White Sox, the 2006 Tigers, and did they miss both Cardinals? They never seem to talk about any weak Wests and the AL West was damn weak some years in the ’00s.
In other words, pundits are just full of themselves and don’t think there’s decent baseball played anywhere outside the Atlanta-Boston belt.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The Yankees fans have made me laugh all day today.
I listened to Sirius/XM this morning and had MLB Network Radio on and it’s amusing to me to listen to the Yankees fans with so much anger in their voices. “THAT’S IT! I’M DONE WITH THIS TEAM! THEY NEED TO FIRE GIRARDI, FIRE CASHMAN AND CLEAN HOUSE! I AM DISGUSTED WITH THIS TEAM RIGHT NOW!” Whoa, whoa, hold the phone there, Yankee guy. Your team just won a World Series 2 years ago and you’ve won 5 World Series championships in the last 15 years. Try going 103 years without a World Series championship and then come back to me and tell me how you are angry and frustrated.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, brilliant, dismantle the team!
See how long it takes for them to return to the postseason. It’s amazing how petulant and childish they can be. They win so much, the taste of defeat sends them into a tantrum of rage and tears. I guess that long quiet spell out of the postseason known as the ‘80s and early/mid ’90s wasn’t enough to teach them to be like every other team. A longer losing spell would probably make them more whole, well-rounded human baseball beings and maybe make them appreciate all those World Series trophies besides for such crap like boasting or bragging rights.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The Yankees spent more $ than any team in the 1980s & didn't win 1 WS.
It’s not just spending money. It’s HOW you spend it.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
If money bought postseason access,
the Cubs & Mets would routinely make the postseason.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps best news to come outta this
is everybody ‘will be gunning for Brewers/Cards in 2012’?
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It's the one thing that I do find amusing
about this otherwise icky situation.
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Swell, just swell. Cards n Brewers in NLCS...our mortal enemies, locked in mortal combat... swell
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I'm completely torn on that
my heart wants Crew to win it all…someone NEW!
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Ok. Texas OR Brewers
(Cuz I picked Crew early on…for Div Winners…NOT WS)
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It's sad
ratings go down (like the White Sox vs. Astros) when it isn’t one of the ‘big’ East Coast teams. Are that many people (who watch baseball otherwise) shallow and not fans of baseball as a whole? Do that many people, if it isn’t their team or a rival they’re rooting to lose, not say “well, this one’s a decent team to follow” of the 8 choices they have? The 2006-2010 World Series had no Chicago teams, but I found interesting stories in each of them, things to make me eager to watch.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder...
how low-rated an Expos-Blue Jays World Series would’ve been.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
It probably would have been huge back in 1991.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd long for a tv broadcast from that alternate reality
where there was no baseball strike and we got to see the proper 1st division series, and the 1994 World Series.
Someone did computer modelling. Yeah, the Expos had a 98-99% chance of making the playoffs (and while the Red Sox blew it, we saw the astronomical odds of them not making the playoffs in 2011) and the Indians had an 80-something% chance, though not much was done beyond it. Some Polish professor did some advanced statistical modelling of a lost football (soccer) season and despite being the biggest “?” in baseball, no one’s tried to design some advanced simulations and statistical probabilities for the 1994 postseason.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting.
You’d think it would be fairly easy to design such a simulation, by those with that kind of programming knowledge.
The history of baseball would likely be quite different if that season had played out. The Expos might never have left Montreal, and the White Sox might have been on the edge of a several-season playoff run, which might have catapulted them past the Cubs in popularity, at least for a time, in Chicago.
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Yeah. That was *the* year for the Expos.
They came within 1 inning of the World Series during a previous strike-year too.
As for designing it, programming it wouldn’t be the problem, it’s getting all the variables in to make it as accurate as possible. Fine tuning it and testing it out on other seasons at August 9th, 11th, whatever it was, and getting it to churn out those results before setting it loose on 1994 should also be done. With the professors and the like who build models, sometimes it can take years and they get biased with it (they get very protective and hostile towards criticism if it’s flawed, insisting it works). Any ol’ program can be slapped together to give us an answer, but we all want the best answer not a crappy answer.
And the White Sox, it was always sad Frank Thomas wasn’t part of a strong postseason run (he was on the DL for late 2005).
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes there are.
Even on this site, a lot of people posted that once the Cubs season was over, their baseball season was over. I love the playoffs even if the Cubs aren’t in. These last three Game 5’s have been great.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Absolutely.
The last day of the regular season was fantastic. The first round drama has been almost as good. I hope for more as the playoffs continue.
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This season was looking to be a dud
from an entertainment standpoint, but then the last two weeks of the regular season, the final day of the regular season and the first round of the playoffs have been nothing sort of spectacular. Kind of makes up for five months of boring baseball.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
When I was a kid I always rooted for the NL when the Cubs were out of it.
That has changed over the years at times, but in my heart I’m still a National League guy. I don’t know about this year, though. I’m most likely pulling for either Texas or Detroit.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Had the Cubs & Red Sox met in 2003 it would have been record ratings.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Never thought of that matchup
That probably would have been the biggest/most interesting matchup in baseball history, each with a 80ish-90ish year world series drought. One team has their curse broken, one team has their hearts broken after coming so close, closer than they’ve come since 1945 or 1986.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is it that if the Bears and Texas play in the Super Bowl the whole country would watch, but if the White Sox and Astros play in the World Series, most people don't?
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Because the Super Bowl
has become a giant holiday complete with parties.
The reason that Americans will watch a regular season game between the Bears and Texans is because a lot of Americans have a lot of money riding on the outcome of the game. Plus, with football being more of a once a week thing, the NFL has been able to turn it into more of an event. There more ritual involved in the NFL. Watching the games is part of the ritual.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And, in general..
… NFL games are on Sundays (with a few exceptions), which means in general, most people have free time and can watch them.
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Could be worse
the winner could play the White Sox in the World Series.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really
I don’t hate the white sox like most cubs fan do. For me in the al, the Yankees and to a certain extent the red sox are the only teams that I can build up a healthy dislike for.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Oct 7, 2011 10:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Is that a Cubs fan's worst nightmare?
The White Sox winning a 2nd World Series title before the Cubs win their 1st title (since 1908)?
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Ew.
Dear Great Pumpkin, I am looking forward to your arrival on Halloween Night. I hope you will bring me lots of presents.
O/U is 22 by Glantz/Culver
I’ll take OVER. :]
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Check out the Phillies SB Nation site
Gonna get interesting over there. And the pic on the front page says it all.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
There's a good FanPost over there about Sandberg leaving the Phillies organization, also.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.
I don't like the philles either
I Just like roy halladay, he’s awesome. These just happened to be my two least favorite teams competing for at least the world series. The dodgers being here would have been better than this.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Oct 7, 2011 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the Brewers
but heck if I don’t like several players on that team.
by Josh Timmers on Oct 8, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I still hate the Brewers and Cardinals...
To me, the playoffs are always difficult to watch when the Cubs aren’t in (which happens too often, unfortunately) That feeling is compounded when it’s the freaking Cardinals and Brewers.
Cubs aren't in enough is a bit os an understatement. The Cubs have been in the post season 6 times since the end of WWII.
You should just turn off the TV on October 1st.
and...
haven’t been to the World Series since the end of WWII. Hell, Truman was president the last time the Cubs got to be in a World Series and the last time they won a World Series, Teddy Roosevelt was president. Women couldn’t vote, cars were still a newfangled untested technology (few paved roads or gas stations, the whole infrastructure for cars), World War One hadn’t even been fought yet, beer still hadn’t been prohibited and then unprohibited, the sky was still out of the reach of almost everybody besides a few daring researchers and balloonists, radio for all intents didn’t exist yet, and the planet Pluto hadn’t yet been discovered, put in textbooks for decades, and then demoted to a dwarf.
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
G'nite all
Lordy…I hope we get some happy cub gm news soon… (NOT LIKE Sox Mgr news!)
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hawks lose
and cards and brewers win
tonight is a bad night
I'm a happy panda.
by jesus christos on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Truth, I think I'm gonna be sick
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Hmmm... Cards v Tigers/Texas in a coupla weeks, OR...waking up to THIS (toughie aint it?)
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This is basically picking
which nut to get kicked in.
Go Brewers
There is no way in hell I’d ever cheer for the Cardinals.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Oct 7, 2011 11:05 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Holy shit, I think I just agreed with Bruce.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Me too! (But I have
in the past…don’t shoot me!) :]
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I'm sick to my stomach that the Deadbirds won.
And now the baseball world is already making that SOB Carpenter into this year’s postseason pitching god. I really could puke. Worse, if they win the NLCS I may have to face a rematch of 2006, which was the worst thing ever.
Please Brewers, remember all the slights and digs the Deadbirds made at you this year and use the emotional fuel to eliminate them? Please?
And then get promptly eliminated after that
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Oct 7, 2011 11:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate the Cardinals, too, but I have to tip my hat off to Carpenter and LaRussa.
It was a 1-0 game in the 9th inning and it would have been so easy for LaRussa to bring in a relief pitcher. This being Tony LaRussa who practically changed the way bullpens operate and he goes with his starting pitcher in the 9th inning in a 1-0 game. The easy thing to have done would have been to bring in a reliever, but Carpenter stuck it out and he earned the win and the shutout. I’m not a Cardinals fan, but I love seeing pitchers throw complete games and shutouts because most of them don’t do it anymore.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Carpenter...
… had thrown 102 pitches entering the ninth, not a huge number. He threw four CG in the regular season, and the Cardinals bullpen has been shaky.
It was the right call. Obviously, because it worked, but under those circumstances I’d think most managers would do the same thing.
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Their bullpen has been shaky, but it is very rare to see starters go the distance nowadays.
I bet you that if Dempster was pitching last night in the same situation that Marmol goes out to pitch the 9th.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but Ryan Dempster doesn't have a history of throwing complete games.
Carpenter does. Plus, Carpenter has a smarter manager.
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I agree with you
even if it was the Cardinals I love seeing great pitching performances. GIve me a 1-0 game over a 10-8 game anytime.
You may not like the Cards but you have to give Carpenter credit.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
The things he does when he thinks no one's looking
are why I can’t stand him. Every time someone looks the wrong way at their dugout, there he is barking and yapping. Remember him trying to start a fight with Dusty Baker once? And the moment he started spouting off during that brawl with the Reds, things got out of control.
Sorry, but that type of stuff makes me unable to appreciate anything he does on the field. It may be considered improper thinking for a baseball fan, but that’s how I feel about it.
It may make me look obstinate and churlish,
but I cannot tip my cap to that team. I can’t. When they succeed, my soul shrivels up a little inside.
Trust me, I think seeing a CG by a pitcher is great, but just…not a Cardinals pitcher. Especially not someone like Carpenter.
It’s the NLCS from hell. Whoever comes out of the AL I will be rooting vehemently for them.
If it was easy it wouldn't be the Cubs.
by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Oct 7, 2011 11:29 PM CDT reply actions
WELL WHO THE HELL DO I CHEER FOR NOW
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Twice this year a philadelphia team has lost to our biggest rivals in Philly
In two separate sports. Philly is pretty low on my likeability scale already and this does nothing to help it.
48 minutes of intensity
by dsenchi on Oct 7, 2011 11:52 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Cardinals are one of the Phillies' biggest rivals???
by ddoubleheader on Oct 8, 2011 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
"our" in this context refers to Chicago sports teams
In addition to this game in which the phillies loss was the cubs biggest rivals gain, the eagles lost to the pack, the bears biggest rivals. That should clear things up.
48 minutes of intensity
This is a cliche, but it's true. This is what makes baseball such a great game.
Practically all of the experts had Philadelphia going to the World Series. All season long we heard about the “Hall of Fame” pitching staff of the Phillies. Media people were gushing over Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt and Lee. And where are they now? The Cardinals with Chris Carpenter, Jaime Garcia, Kyle Lohse and a makeshift pitching staff are going to the NLCS. As a Cubs fan, I think it stinks. But as a baseball fan, I think it is funny to see once again that the experts got it wrong.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
And while Cubs fans may not want to admit it
Tony LaRussa knows what he is doing.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Just goes to show how much the playoffs are a crapshoot
The Phillies, who have a rotation of 4 no kidding #1 starters (they’d be #1 starters on just about any other team in baseball) get beat by a wild card that clinched on the last day of the season.
The Cards grounded into 169 DPs; 46 more that the #2 and #3 teams (Cubs and Pirates tied at 123).
But yet, the Cards’ batting stats look a fair amount better than the Phils’.
Maybe of maybes, this wasn’t that big of an upset.
I think if St. Louis wins the World Series, Tony LaRussa retires.
by jeffmills1972 on Oct 8, 2011 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Does it make a difference in what Pujols does?
If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base. - Dave Barry
And our nightmare season continues
by Mapmaker on Oct 8, 2011 10:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I don't like the Cards
but at least they are in contention every year it seems. Gotta respect that. Cubs have 2 good years then it’s back to sub .500
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