Who Is Your Choice For Cubs Manager?
The photo at the top of this post is one we might get quite used to seeing quite freqently over the next few years -- Mike Maddux speaking into a microphone with "CUBS" on the mic flag -- if he's hired by Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer.
So far, three men -- Maddux, Pete Mackanin and Dale Sveum -- have interviewed for the position. Sandy Alomar Jr. is scheduled to be interviewed on Friday.
And after that, Hoyer and Epstein are off to Milwaukee for general managers meetings next Monday and Tuesday; they'll no doubt see Epstein's Boston successor Ben Cherington there and the topic of the still unresolved compensation for Epstein's hire is likely to come up:
With the General Managers Meetings set to begin Monday in Milwaukee, Cherington said he and Epstein were hopeful they can strike a deal in person next week.
"The Commissioner's Office is giving us some leeway on it if we feel like there's progress being made," Cherington said. "I think we'll give ourselves until next week. We'll see each other in person next week, at least give ourselves until then to see if there's something we can't figure out."
If the Commissioner's Office has to handle the issue, Cherington said a date would be set where both sides present their case.
It doesn't seem to me as if Theo & Jed want either process to drag out much longer. Though there are other names (DeMarlo Hale, Dave Martinez and others) mentioned as possible managerial candidates, no further interviews have been scheduled past Friday. Theo & Jed have already said they don't need to interview Terry Francona (who is reportedly also up for the opening in St. Louis) since they know him so well.
It appears, then, that the four men interviewed already are the primary candidates and perhaps the only candidates. I've already gone on record as saying my choice is Mike Maddux. Yesterday's comments by and about him only solidified that choice in my mind. Maddux made some clever quips at his post interview news conference. Obviously, being clever or funny isn't a reason to hire someone to manage your ballclub. On the other hand, being able to do that does, in my mind, show a confidence that any manager must have. (You can't picture Mike Quade or Lou Piniella or Dusty Baker saying what Mike Maddux did yesterday, can you?)
So, vote in the poll for your choice among the four men who have been interviewed. I'm deliberately leaving Francona out of this because I don't think Theo & Jed really want to recreate the entire Boston experience here -- they do seem to want to move forward.
I think the Cubs will have a new manager in place within a week, maybe sooner.
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I didn't see his news conference,
but I heard he was quite impressive.
I’m slowly warming to the idea. But I trust whoever Theo/Jed pick to be good.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 10, 2011 9:17 AM CST reply actions
Me too - I trust whoever Theo/Jed pick will be good.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
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Yes, it's hard to name my personal choice
As I simply trust Theo and Co will make the best choice, because they know what they’re doing.
I would lean toward Maddux, in hopes that his presence as manager could also help improve the pitching. Hopefully his choice for pitching coach is someone he’s been mentoring and sees excellent abilities in.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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It's a bit unsettling trust them
It will def take some getting use to. I tried not to list to Dusty, Lou and Q for obvious reasons.
It’s so refreshing.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
I'd definitely put my trust in the guys who have a clear track record of success
Over the past regime
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Even if they picked Sandberg?
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
I think he already picked Sandberg...
…to manage someone else’s (AAA) team.
"Keep looking into the past and you'll keep repeating the past" - Some Smart Guy
I find it amusing
That Maddux’s press conference and the Quade radio interview were the same day. The contrast between the two men is enormous.
by John916 on Nov 10, 2011 9:22 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Yes.
Absolutely. Amazing difference.
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I don't recall seeing video of Dale Sveum meeting with the media the other day.
I only saw video of Mackanin and Maddux.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 10, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I was very struck by the difference.
Mike Maddux actually used entire sentences, which really shouldn’t be surprising, but was striking after listening to Mike Quade.
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I didn't listen to Q's
That would have been minutes of my life that I couldn’t get back
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The contrast between Quade and just about any true professional is enormous.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
by SackMan on Nov 10, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This Thanksgiving I will say that I am thankful for many things...
One of them is that I’ll never have to endure another season of Mike Quade as Cubs manager.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 10, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
I just want to say that I was really sorry
to see that your Thanksgiving post needed closing. Sad really. It was a nice post and a nice thought for this time of year. I was just about to comment that I am thankful that the Cubs seem to be headed in the right direction and how wonderful it is to be excited and hopeful for the future again when Al closed it. Anyway, it’s a shame people didn’t take it serious.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
I was quite unhappy with what people posted there.
It was clearly heartfelt, and people decided to put junior-high level jokes in there. Shameful.
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Huge difference, yes
But Quade had to do it twice a day for an entire season. Obviously he wasn’t great in that role (so, so many stupid comments), but I imagine it’s pretty tough.
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by Brett Taylor on Nov 10, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to see the press videos of all of them
before I make up my mind.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
I heard Dave Kaplan yesterday
… He said that of the top 100 managers of all time, only 4 have been pitchers. I’m not saying this means anything, it’s just an interesting stat.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
After the discussion the other day,
I’m curious how many were catchers.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
by katie casey on Nov 10, 2011 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
In about 3 months
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
101 Days assuming Feb. 20th
http://springtrainingonline.com/features/reporting-dates.htm
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That's pretty close to 3 months.
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Nov 10, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
No. It's closer to way too long... ;-)
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How did he define "top 100"?
By wins? By championships?
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I think by wins.
Every day is a beautiful day for baseball!!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
From what I've heard
Maddux doesn’t seem to be in any real rush to leave Texas. Pointing out that he hasn’t asked for these interviews and that it’s “neat” to be considered is telling, I think, too.
He doesn’t seem like he really cares if he gets the job or not.
My personal opinion is that he only kept the interview the Cubs due to the affiliation with his brother. I don’t see Maddux leaving Texas.
why would he have kept an interview due to the affiliation with his brother...
who doesnt have any affiliation with the Cubs at this point?
if he didnt want the job he wouldnt have interviewed, he’s already cancelled the Red Sox interview.
So i you can give you can take it.
FYI Greg Maddux is still under contract with the Cubs
Till Dec 31.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure that's actually relevant
Unless you think Maddux kept the interview because his brother was under contract with the club for another month and a half.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 10, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe he is keeping the appointment for Greg for one mement
Just a small factual correction
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with most of your post
He seems happy in Texas & isn’t looking to leave his current job. There are people who are happily employed and not looking for another job. But if an excellent opportunity is ofter to them, they may take the opportunity. I actually view him liking his job as a bonus, b/c then Cubs aren’t hiring someone who is job hunting.
But what I don’t agree with is why give an interview. Now if his brother was part of the trio stat pack I could see that. Why would Greg care if he has an interview or not? Again I think too many people are looking at him as The new manager of the Chicago Cubs Greg Maddux’s brother.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with your last line.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
by katie casey on Nov 10, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
plus I know you'd prefer the name I picked yesterday :)
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
You try to think of him as Mike Casey.
I’ll try to think of him as Mike Madison.
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by katie casey on Nov 10, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
I could have made something up, but saw your's and just rendonly picked it
Zero for creative.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
What do you expect him to say?
Pointing out that he hasn’t asked for these interviews and that it’s "neat" to be considered is telling, I think, too.
He’s got a job at the moment. Overtly seeking another in those circumstances isn’t really how things are done.
I think what I take from all this is that he’s not looking for just any situation, he’d be interested only in the right situation. And that he kept the interview with the Cubs means he thinks that may be his right situation. Boston clearly was not.
He’s a smart guy. He’s handling this well. And I would not be surprised at all to see him managing in Wrigley next season.
I don't think he kept the interview just to be nice.
I think he has an interest or he would’ve turned it down like he did Boston.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Nov 10, 2011 6:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
The off season
Is definitely more interesting than the season.
That says it all about the 2011 Cubs.
A friend who's known me since the "Lee Elia Era" asked me that same question...
…the other night. I cracked him up when I said that, as I haven’t been right about a Cub managerial hire since, pretty much, Jim Frey, I’d leave this one completely up to Theo.
After being wrong on Quade last year, I'm gunshy to pick a candidate.
But I think it will be Maddux. The S-T reported the other day that Theo and Jed believe the next market inefficiency to be exploited will be the health of starting pitchers. Maddux (with input from Nolan Ryan) seems to have figured out new ways to keep a rotation healthy.
If the report is true, Maddux has a clear advantage over the other candidates. I’d also hope that Maddux’s hiring (or anyone’s hiring) brings a new hitting coach — I think Rudy J.’s purported expertise is based in his results from another era. My concern is that Maddux and Rudy worked together in Texas.
I know there’s some argument as to whether a hitting coach can have any real effect on making players (who have used the same approach for years) more patient. But Rudy certainly hasn’t helped in that regard since coming to the Cubs.
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I wonder
… if some of Rudy’s failures come from the top down — i.e. an organizational philosophy of hacking away promoted by Jim Hendry & Co., and the types of players that attracted.
Perhaps the new management can instill a different type of hitting philosophy.
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Well, three things:
1) Certainly, Hendry’s system rarely developed players with plate discipline (Soto is the exception that would seem to prove the rule). Most of the toolsy prospects over the years — Patterson, Pie, Colvin and Castro (though he’s good enough to succeed despite it) — are hackers from the moment they get to Wrigley. And Hendry also had a mixed record when it came to valuing OBP among free agents (Soriano and Byrd versus Kosuke and Bradley).
So, sure, Rudy didn’t have a lot of patient players to work with.
2) But I don’t really think Hendry & Co. gave marching orders to Rudy about how he should work with hitters. If that were the case, why hire a high-priced and allegedly strong hitting coach at all? Further, Rudy was preaching aggressiveness BEFORE he even started work. He talked about being aggressive at the plate during interviews before the 2010 season.
3) One Cub seemed to become more of a hacker in 2011: Aramis Ramirez. Now, Aramis was very successful at attacking the first pitch. But there are varying schools of thought about that kind of aggressiveness because it doesn’t make pitchers work as hard, even if it provides needed offense. And considering the lackluster results from other Cubs who were first-pitch hackers in the Rudy era …
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Oh, and one more point.
Let’s say Rudy was told to make the hitters aggressive by Quade (who was Hendry’s boy and all that). We still have most of the 2010 season where Rudy worked for Lou — who wasn’t against plate discipline, given the patience of the 2008 team.
And the 2010 team wasn’t exactly known for patience, either.
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I think Lou was pretty detached by 2010.
I’m not saying it’s definitely what happened, only that it’s possible.
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I think Hendry didn't value plate discipline ...
and he hired a hitting coach who didn’t either. It’s the simplest explanation.
Lou’s detachment is a tough subject to debate. I don’t think he was ever the same after the team collapsed in August 2009. But I don’t think he really check out — to the point where he would let the front office go around him to give marching orders to Rudy — until after the first terrible couple months of 2010.
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The 2008 Rangers..
… who led the AL in runs, were third in the AL in walks. So I don’t think Jaramillo doesn’t value plate discipline.
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And the 2009 Rangers were 12th.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/AL/2009.shtml
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So IOW...
… you can’t really draw any conclusions about Jaramillo. Maybe it’s the group of players he has.
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See above.
One conclusion that can be drawn: The Cubs offense hasn’t been that good in his two years here.
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Doing some more digging ...
Hollandsworth (who played for Rudy) says Rudy isn’t all about aggressiveness, http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-insider/2011/10/interview-csns-todd-hollandsworth-talks-theo-epstein/.
Rudy Jaramillo does preach patience and grinding out AB’s. I worked with him in Texas and he made a lasting impression on me. Rudy doesn’t do the hitting, he does the teaching. He can teach anyone and work with many different personalities. I witnessed it first hand. You should have seen that Texas club in 2002.
I still don’t buy the Rudy-was-just-following-orders-defense. Maybe he doesn’t believe he can change the approach of hitters or that it’s not worth trying so he mostly focuses on mechanics or pitch recognition (or something). That would explain the up and down walk totals in Texas in 2008 and 2009.
I guess the question is whether a hitting coach can/should be able to make a team collectively more patient or more aggressive.
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I think that IS proof that he was "following orders".
If a player who worked with him says he “preached patience”, why was it so different with the Cubs?
The most likely explanation is that Jim Hendry told him that’s what he wanted. Or Mike Quade and Lou Piniella did. Or all three did.
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What about the Rangers in 2009?
Whose orders did he follow then?
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Maybe it was different players.
I note that the Rangers won more games in 2009 than they did in 2008.
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Why note that?
There’s no argument from this poster that OBP is a bad thing.
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Ha. That sounded funny.
I meant that I don’t believe OBP is a bad thing.
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Wait.
Are you saying that the Rudy was justified in going from patience in 2008 to hacking in 2009 in Texas because the team won more games in the second year?
I suppose that’s possible, though I don’t follow the Rangers closely at all. But before we chalk up the improvement even in small part to Rudy’s adaptability — when there could be dozens of reasons the Rangers improved — I’ve got to ask this question:
How does that further your argument that Rudy’s aggressiveness in Chicago stemmed from Hendry & Co.? It sounds like you’re looking for reasons not to throw Rudy (who’s still under contract) under the bus and be optimistic about him under the new regime despite the Cubs’ hitting and plate discipline issues in the past two years.
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You know, i don't really have an answer.
I’m truly not sure why Rudy was so successful in Texas and (so far) a failure in Chicago.
It could be that the new manager has a hitting coach in mind. If not, let Rudy finish out his last year. It’s not likely to make a huge amount of difference. Hitting coaches wind up being scapegoats more than influences.
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I agree with much of what you said.
The Cubs probably won’t be that good in 2012 and the older players nearing the end of contracts aren’t likely going to improve enough under any hitting coach to make a difference.
This whole debate really comes down to how much any hitting coach can affect each player’s approach. I would love to see someone with access to experts really dissect that. If a hitting coach is the equivalent of the Maytag repairman, then fine, let Rudy stay another year.
But, if it’s more than that, I’d worry that Rudy could instill (or cement) hacking ways on young Cubs players like Castro and Jackson. If that is at all a concern among the new Cubs leadership, then Rudy should be handed his walking papers.
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Preaching does not guarantee listening
The thing to remember is that a coach – either pitching or hitting – can talk and preach until he is blue in the face, but he only going to be successful if his audience is both physically and mentally capable of applying his teachings.
If Jaramillo told Soriano to lay off outside breaking balls, and then Soriano goes and hacks at the first one, what recourse does Jaramillo have? If the batter doesn’t listen, doesn’t apply the information, there is nothing that the coach can do. I don’t think Quade. Piniella or Baker were going to sit a veteran because they didn’t to the pitching coach.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
It's possible
I’ll admit I don’t know much about hitting coaches. But if one is a talented one shouldn’t he be able to put his system into action. Isn’t that his job to instruct players.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 10, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
He can teach, but they have to be willing to learn for it to make any difference.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
You're not the only one who thought that at all
I happened upon a podcast from just after Lou retired and it was the consensus of the writers on the podcast that he had definitely checked out shortly after the season started.
A ton of people thought that.
All you had to do was watch Lou in postgame press conferences from June on (perhaps earlier). That still doesn’t mean that Hendry was doing an end run around Lou to tell Rudy to preach aggressiveness to Cubs hitters.
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If Rudy has a had a particular philosophy over his career
It would be difficult for a man to suddenly change that philosophy.
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if some of Rudy’s failures come from the top down — i.e. an organizational philosophy of hacking away
They don’t. Rudy has been a teacher of the aggressive approach his whole career. I think that’s why he was hired here. His approach matched the Club’s
by Nunyabidness on Nov 10, 2011 1:57 PM CST up reply actions
That was my thought, too.
But the Rangers’ high walk total in 2008 (and Hollandsworth’s comments) made me pause. I think it could be that Rudy is patience-neutral, and he plays to the perceived strengths of the team’s hitters. When he has hackers, he lets them hack. When he has patient hitters, it’s the reverse. This leads to more questions:
1) What can a big-league hitting coach do to change the approach of a hitter?
2) If the answer is ‘not much’, then are hitting coaches even that valuable — and why would Hendry think that Rudy was valuable enough to pay him more than any hitting coach in the game?
3) Would a hitting coach have more of an impact on younger players?
The last question is the most important when it comes to Rudy’s future with the Cubs, because it opens up the possibility that Rudy might not try to preach patience — if he figures there’s no point — to guys like Castro and Jackson. The 2012 team won’t be that good, so I don’t think it matters if Rudy tells Byrd or Soriano to think about taking a pitch here or there. But if Rudy could mess up valuable young assets …
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That is the point the Stat Pack need to review
Right now, Castro really, really needs a hitting coach who is telling him to relax and let an at-bat come to him – see some pitches and wait on pitches to drive them the other way. With his contact skills, taking a strike or two isn’t a bad thing.
Jackson seems to be coming up with good patience. I wouldn’t want to see the hitting coach telling him to hack away.
My take on hitting goes to RISP.
Patience at the plate traditionally in baseball is usually with no one on base or if there is a runner at first that can steal. With RISP, hitters are “usually” in the mode to look for a pitch to drive in a run. If it’s first or second pitch, you got to put your bat on it because that may be the only one you get. This is where we SUCKED for most of 2011. We left them standing. Argue any philosophy you want with RISP, I can live with either. The results are what I’m interested in. Get ’em on, drive ’em in.
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You're sort of hovering around something I've thought for a while.
I remember, in 2009, when Bradley seemed to draw a lot of walks with men on second and less than two outs. As a middle-order bat (and Bradley was signed to be a lefty in the middle of the Cubs order) that’s really not a great strategy — even if the end result isn’t as bad as making an out. It was particularly bad when a lineup has the type of bats the Cubs had 6-8 in 2009 (especially while Ramirez was hurt). I’ve always thought that was part of the reason Lou blew up at him.
I guess my point is that teams should be careful when signing high OBP guys to hit middle of the order if they’ve never been successful RBI producers. I know RBIs are heavily contingent on who’s hitting ahead of you, but Bradley had exactly one season in which he drove in more than 67 runs, and he never topped 77.
The Bradley signing was just freaking nonsensical for so many reasons (emotional issues, Bradley’s left/right splits, the length of the contract) but the one that always blew me away was that Bradley ADMITTED to not being a middle-order hitter. That Hendry thought he could be one was just incredible.
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Like the Red Queen, Hendry seemed to be capable of believing three impossible things before breakfast
Remember, before the 2008 season he was pitching Soriano as a center fielder. He just happened to be lucky enough to walk by a dumpster with Jim Edmunds in it.
Actually, Soriano was slated for CF before 2007.
Pie was the starting CF in 2008, when Soriano had moved to left. That actually was the original plan (or close enough): Soriano would play center until Pie was ready, and then, the Cubs could ditch Cliff Floyd/Matt Murton/Jacque Jones.
Hendry was saved in 2007 by the fact that Jacque Jones stepped up and was able to play center. For all the crap Jones took from Cubs fans (some that was deserved) he was key in 2007 and actually was pretty good (on a bad team) in 2006.
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Soriano was physically capable of playing CF...
… however he was not mentally capable of playing the position.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
A team of Maddux & Maddux
might smooth things over in my household.
Then again…
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I voted Mackanin
because he has the managerial experience, both in the minors and the majors, that I’m looking for.
But if Theo and Jed think that Mike Maddux is the guy and that he doesn’t need the managerial experience, I trust them and would think they made a good choice.
As a Cardinal fan
I’m much more impressed with the Cubs’ list than I am the Cards’. It’s weak and short-sighted. I still think both teams should consider the Rays’ Dave Martinez.
Impressed? How?
It appears, by what I’ve been reading, that you guys will probably get Francona. You win again. Now, the Red Sox and the Cubs can fight over the “best of the rest”. Who that is, I haven’t a clue. 6 of one – half a dozen of the other. All the rest are “meh”, in my opinion. Maddux or Sveum…Sveum or Maddux…nothing to get overly excited about. I would go with Sveum, a hitting coach, over Maddux, a pitching coach…but that’s just me.
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What are the odds on Jose Oquendo?
He’s been a coach for the cards for over a decade. Is he considered the favorite, or did Francona trump him?
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 10, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Feeling in St. Louis
is that it probably won’t be Francona. It’s unclear why….perhaps the beer and fried chicken? It might be that there aren’t any ties to the younger Cards’ players. This would also exclude Sandberg, obviously.
Sandberg is a dark horse. If I were a betting man, I’d put my money now on Mike Matheny but it could be Oquendo. I’m just unimpressed that the Cards chose to interview 4 guys with ties to the organization, a guy whose only claim to a job is that he almost got the Cubs job last year, and Francona. It seems as if they didn’t put a lot of thought together in compiling the list. I could’ve come up with a list that included Francona, Sandberg, Matheny, and Oquendo and the other 2 don’t have any real shot. I’d like the Cards to interview Sveum and Maddux, for example.
If it's Oquendo, that would probably go a long way toward Pujols staying in St. Louis.
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Looks like Mike Matheny might be getting the job in St. Louis...
According to Jon Heyman of SI. I would think that Oquendo is the favorite because he’s been kind of groomed to be LaRussa’s successor and has been a coach there for years. Plus, he has some managerial experience.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 10, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Must be the fried chicken, no way allowing beer should DQ you in St. Louis
If only the Sox pitchers had been gnawing ribs…..
Welcome to the bandwagon kids
I have wanted Mike Maddux to manage for years with Greg as bench coach or if he is not full time then special advisor ( which he would be officially or not anyway as he and Mike have clearly done that for years, Greg explained years ago when Mike was pitching coach in Milwaukee that they routinely would go over stratagies for facing other teams, just not each others). I confess I tried not to dream it would be the Cubs or I might have gone insane.
Josh and others. I fully understand your concern that he is a “pitching coach” and has no managerial experience, but trust me after following him via Greg for years they are not guys who only see or understand pitching. They see the whole chess board. Mike Maddux is going to be a manager and I just hope it is with the Cubs.
FYI while I am sure Mike Maddux is serious about family considerations, the family has only lived in Texas since June and both his daughters are in college albeit colleges in the Dallas area. I say let the ladies have some fun on their own and let them hang out in Chicago in the summer, it is MUCH more fun than Dallas.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 10:57 AM CST reply actions
Hipster Jessica
wanted Mike Maddux to coach before it was cool.
by Arbusto on Nov 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I wanted to be a MANAGER before it was hip
at least on BCB.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I will trust Theo and Jed
to make the right decision but I did vote for Maddux. There’s just something about his interview that I liked.
Personally, I liked that he didn't suck up to the media.
That was quite refreshing.
Every day is a beautiful day for baseball!!
by cowsarecool220 on Nov 10, 2011 1:21 PM CST up reply actions
Did Theo and Jed
ever explain why they are not going after any guys who are currently managing a big league ballclub?
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 10, 2011 11:01 AM CST reply actions
It is relatively rare to "poach" a manager under contract
and the Cubs have enough compensation issues. Also many teams would do as the Blue Jays have done and refuse them permission.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Anyone else wonder why Theo is going to the GM's meeting?
Maybe Presidents of Baseball Operations attend all the time, but It seems like Epstein is acting as kind of a ‘super GM’ and Hoyer his assistant. If so, then Hoyer will be hard pressed to make a decision on his own, with Epstein present and involved in everything. Could be I’m wrong and reading too much into it. Or perhaps that’s just their normal working arrangement? Could be a mouse turd I’m pole vaulting over, too.
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
I'm going with...

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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 10, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
You, sir, are creative indeed.
I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.
Rec'd
Though I do not want to meet the mouse that dropped that load.
I'd say your concern is a valid one if Theo goes to NEXT year's GM meetings
but seeing as how both Theo and Jed are just starting in their new roles with the Cubs, I don’t think this is an issue at all. Don’t forget, Theo just got out of a GM role in Boston, so in a sense, these guys are still his peer group.
And keeping with your mouse turd theme, I think it’s safe to say, there’s a shitload of work that needs doing with the Cubs – and a lot of the initial seeds could be planted in the GM meetings. No reason not to have two sets of eyes and ears doing some hobnobbing and goobersmooching.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think it is pretty standard for a president to go to GM meetings
at least the many that are actively involved in personal decisions. Let’s see if other presidents show up.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
OT-I just looked out my window and
it’s snowing. Ew. Wake me on February 2nd.
♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫
I checked
it’s sunny and in the low 60s here.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sigh.
Not snowing in the city, but it’s 42 degrees.
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About the same here in NYC
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Cloudy, misty, high 50s here.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 10, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
That's a heat wave up there, right?
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I hear
each snowflake embodies a Cubs fan’s lost dreams of a world series win.
by ddoubleheader on Nov 10, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOO!!!
It’s not supposed to snow until December 24th/25th & only then. The older I get, the more I dread winter.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Nov 10, 2011 7:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I should state
It was sunny and 60ish today with lots of wind.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Nov 10, 2011 7:58 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I voted for Maddux's mustache
Seriously, that thing is magnificent.
"It's all in the game, yo"
by Worf on Nov 10, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Wait a sec...
What happened to:
“That mustache/soul patch combo
makes me want to hide my children”
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Well, if we find out he went to Pedophile Support University
I’ll reconsider
"It's all in the game, yo"
Just giving you crap
And BTW agree completely with your comments (here and elsewhere) on the other matter.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Those people are nuts
I’ve been banned — and I went on a commenting suicide run there at the end — but those people are just the most delusional sycophants I’ve ever seen
On the other hand, their moderators are MUCH cooler about the f word
"It's all in the game, yo"
Agreed
If I was a fan or alum, I would only be happy if the BOT completely eliminated all vestiges of the self-serving leadership that ran amok.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I think they need to take 4 years off from football
What scares me is that this could have happened in a lot of towns where the civic, spiritual and economic center is college football. I read that PSU brings in $59 million annually for local businesses.
Hard to believe it isn’t similar in Tuscaloosa, Norman, Gainesville, South Bend and about 100 other places.
One benefit of rooting for Illinois, I guess. Our coaches just ain’t that powerful.
OK, Al has tolerated this long enough
"It's all in the game, yo"
Yeah, I don't think this really belongs here.
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I would start an OT, but I might actually turn into a fire-breathing dragon in the comments
I gave myself some fun yesterday at Black Shoe Diaries, but all this isn’t good for my health
"It's all in the game, yo"
The topic
is kind of spilling all over everywhere. It’s one of those things that transcends its roots. Its become more than just a college football scandal because of the audacity involved and the long coverups. And the scariest facts are the scumbug founded his faux foundation way back in 1977 and that DA who turned up dead several years ago who was involved in the initial probe (of course, he could have made any number of enemies, but I still wonder, did any kids go missing around the time of his camp meets?). Could get a lot bigger. Though yeah, this topic (Maddux: The man… The ‘stache… The manager?) shouldn’t really be derailed.
Also read an article that this happened in the Red Sox with their clubhouse manager back in the ’70s.
by ddoubleheader on Nov 10, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
You can never get
too much Zappa.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 10, 2011 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wiser words never said.
The bassoon is one of my favorite instruments. It has the medieval aroma, like the days when everything used to sound like that. Some people crave baseball…I find this unfathomable, but I can easily understand why a person could get excited about playing the bassoon.
The poll is premature.
I like Maddux but I’ve said many times on BCB I am intrigued by Alomar. The poll should have been after the last interview, which for now is believed to be Alomar. Sure we vote Maddux because of what we know now. What if Alomar kicks arss in his interview?
Also a telling sign will be if there is a 5th interview. That would tell me the first four lack what our management team is looking for and maybe another look at one more person might be the one (Martinez).
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Nov 10, 2011 11:33 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Like a good Chicagoan , Al kind of stacked the ballots here.
Hmm big happy picture of your preferred candidate. I actually have not voted but perhaps it is like that
famous parody of the Florida ballot where all votes go to Maddux instead of Bush.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 11:36 AM CST reply actions
If it's Florida...
Where’s Pat Buchanan to surprisingly get a bunch of votes? How about the hanging chads?
by ddoubleheader on Nov 10, 2011 6:24 PM CST up reply actions
I am voting for Maddux too
… i just like the sound of his name being in charge and he will do a good job with the pitchers. I just hope they fire the whole coaching staff and staert fresh. and that includes Rudy the flop Jaramilo. Since he got here Cubs bats have gotten worse and since he left TExas Rangers bats have gotten better.
Regardless of who the next manager is
I wonder whether they will be offered a 3 or 4 year term and for how much $ since none have previous MLB managerial experience unlike the most recent batch of Cubs managers
Maddux may already be negotiating with his ‘already have a job’ line. Since his team has been to the WS twice now he clearly has a strong negotiating postion – unlike the other candidates. Hope he gets the job.
I'm guessing that whoever gets picked gets at least three years.
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You pretty much have to give Maddux at least 3 years and probably longer
He will giving up far more at least financially than the others.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 10, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
i'm waiting ....
till alomar interviews , but from what i have seen from the three already interviewed , i would choose maddux .
I voted
for Maddux, thinking he will be the best candidate, although it will be interesting to see where Alomar, Jr. is after his interview.
"I don't believe in curses." -- Theo Epstein
Sorry... Damned laptop kb
makes my typing come out as Yoda speak…
Is there someplace that the Maddux presser has been posted…
THEEEEEOOOOOOO....
Here's an article with a clip
It is pretty short, but you can get the feel of a full press conference by watching it over, and over, and over again like I am currently doing.
http://www.wgnradio.com/search/ct-spt-1110-mike-maddux-cubs-chicago—20111110,0,3580262.story
is this picture right after his interview?
if so, I was surprised he wore wrangler jeans to the interview.
I'm not.
He was being himself. I’d think a management person would respect that choice.
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Of the 3, Maddux by far
But I want to hear from Sandy.
I am skeptical on pitchers as well. But this guy has a little something extra in his mental makeup. Get us a strong former infielder or catcher as bench coach, and we will have something. Ryno, Davey Lopes, Alomar, Ausmus, Bowa, etc.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Nov 10, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Maddux
I also enjoyed his interview and overall attitude, but lets not forget that the important stuff was what we didn’t see, and that is the simulations with Epstein and Hoyer. None of us saw that and its entirely possible that the affable and funny Maddux wasn’t able to manage his way out of a grocery bag. I doubt that and he certainly seems to have a great mind. I realize that part of a baseball blog is going to be anointing a new manager, but the fact of the matter is that none of us really know how Maddux will manage a game.
From the part that we saw, I really enjoyed Maddux and would enjoy him. Alomar is also very well respected and the Indians are extremely worried about losing him.
Question… has Dave Martinez even gotten an interview for any of this year’s managerial openings?
Question… has Dave Martinez even gotten an interview for any of this year’s managerial openings?
I don’t think so, which may call into question how qualified GM’s think he is.
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Exactly
Martinez was thought to be a hot candidate but he hasn’t even gotten an interview. It didn’t get all that much coverage at the time, but Joe Maddon came out and gave an endorsement while also saying that he wasn’t sure how Martinez would handle the pressure of a large market. I’m sure that didn’t help his cause.
Right.
Since the only jobs open are Cubs, Red Sox and Cardinals, maybe Martinez isn’t suited to those.
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This Epstein Compensation is dragging on too long
Time to bring in the heavy hitter – Les Grossman

"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
Mike Maddux for me
Is the best choice out of the group. I don’t know how he’d like to manage. I wasn’t there for the interview. I am just basing my opinion on what I’ve read about Mike, what he’s done as a pitching coach with Milwaukee and Texas and his press conference yesterday. He seems to me to be the most genuinely enthusiastic of the men who have interviewed for this job. He seems like the type of guy who would embrace the challenge of managing for the Chicago Cubs and helping the team get to the World Series and win a championship. That’s good enough for me.
Fantasy Cubs Manager
Someday, maybe someday soon, Joe Girardi will take the Cubs to the World Series.
by Been there Done that on Nov 10, 2011 10:17 PM CST reply actions
I like Maddox
Admittedly, I am trying to get past the last name. I like his intelligence for the game. I am very curious to see how Alomar does today.
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by cub in louies nest on Nov 11, 2011 6:35 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Holy crap, the poll is an absolute landslide.
I don’t know if people like Maddux because he’s the brother of a past Cub legend or if they truly like what he has to offer.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
OR Al has fixed the result
You never know. For the record I have not voted , not even once let alone 10 times
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 11, 2011 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
But, but, but, that is very un-Chicago like...
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
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Hey!
I did not fix the result. Must have been the photo I put on the post.
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Alomar was decent
Tough to have a chance in the poll when it’s posted before his interview.
I like Sandy. My only knock on him is how fixated he was on the process, almost like he was still in that room with the management team while standing with the reporters. To me that indicates a minor lack of presence.
I give my nod to Mike Maddux still, but wish Sandy could be his bench coach.
-- Jerome Horwitz
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