2012 Cubs Payroll Numbers And Estimates
by Al Yellon on Nov 14, 2011 9:01 AM CST
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So let's play a little game today.
How much money do Theo and Jed really have to play with when constructing a 2012 roster? We have been told that the amount of money to be spent on baseball operations is going to be roughly the same in 2012 as in 2011. But we don't know the specific breakdown of this money; how much is going to be allocated to the 2012 draft? (Hopefully, a lot, as it was in 2011, depending on how draft slotting is finally agreed to in the new labor agreement.)
The total player payroll in 2011 was -- well, I'm not entirely sure. USA Today says $125,000,000. So does CBS Sports. Cot's Baseball Contracts, which is usually quite reliable in this regard, says the Cubs spent $134,000,000 (actually, $134,004,000). By USA Today's numbers, the Cubs ranked sixth, behind the Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Angels and White Sox.
I doubt the 2012 Cubs payroll will be as high as $134,000,000; it could be in the $120,000,000 range or within $5,000,000 above and below that. That wouldn't seem to allow much room -- but follow me past the jump to see how the Cubs actually do have some payroll flexibility for 2012.
The Cubs have six players signed to long-term deals who will be back in 2012. For the purposes of this argument, I am going to include Carlos Zambrano's deal, even though I think it is likely that Theo & Jed will trade him and get at least some salary relief (maybe 25% of the deal?).
The six players under contract are Big Z ($18,000,000), Alfonso Soriano ($18,000,000), Ryan Dempster ($14,000,000), Carlos Marmol ($7,000,000), Marlon Byrd ($6,500,000) and Sean Marshall ($3,100,000).
The total salaries for those six players come to $66,600,000.
Eligible for arbitration in 2012 (2011 salary in parentheses) are:
Matt Garza ($5,950,000), Geovany Soto ($3,000,000), Jeff Baker ($1,175,000), Koyie Hill ($850,000), Randy Wells ($475,000) and Blake DeWitt ($460,000).
All of those players would be due raises if offered arb. Clearly, Garza, Soto and Wells will be back. Hill will almost certainly not be back; it's a tossup, I think, on whether either Baker and DeWitt, or both, will be back; they were both favorites of Jim Hendry's, but it wouldn't appear Theo & Jed have any loyalty toward them.
Garza will probably get something in the range of $9 million for 2012; Soto, about $5.5 million, and Wells, $2 million. For the moment, let's assume those are the only three who will return in this manner; that adds another $16.5 million, making the total $83,100,000 for nine players.
The rest of the team is not arb-eligible and so can be auto-renewed. The minimum salary for 2011 was $414,500; the minimum for 2012 will be determined when the CBA is finalized, but for the moment let's assume that there will be a similar increase to what happened from 2010 to 2011 and it'll be around $430,000.
There are quite a number of players who are eligible for auto-renewal, but with new management in place, we really don't know how many of them will be retained. I've identified five players that I believe are 100% certain to return, so let's look at them: Starlin Castro, Darwin Barney, James Russell, Andrew Cashner and Jeff Samardzija.
Samardzija had an option declined; since he's not arb-eligible and made $2.8 million in 2011, the most the Cubs could cut that is 20%. So the least the Cubs could offer him is $2,240,000.
Castro made $440,000 in 2011. The Cubs could lowball him, but I don't think they will; eventually, he should be signed to a deal that would buy out his arb years. Let's say that gets doubled to $880,000.
Barney, Russell and Cashner will likely be renewed at somewhat over the minimum; let's guess around $500,000 each.
I've got 14 players on this list -- a little more than half a 25-man roster -- at a total cost of $87,720,000. This would decrease, obviously, if the Cubs can move Zambrano, Soriano or Byrd, the three biggest-salaried players who they probably would move if they could. Barring that, if the Cubs have a player payroll of $120,000,000, that leaves them about $32 million to fill the rest of the roster with minimum-wage players and maybe one or two veterans either through free agency or trades.
It probably does not leave room for Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder.
Note that I haven't mentioned any of the seven players who were on the team in 2011 and are now free agents: Carlos Pena, Kerry Wood, Reed Johnson, John Grabow, Rodrigo Lopez, Ramon Ortiz and Aramis Ramirez. It seems likely that only two of these players -- Wood and Johnson -- have any chance of returning next season, and neither of them would likely have bank-breaking contracts.
That's how I see it on November 14, as the free-agent signing period has just begun. Now it's your turn. Have at it.
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As nice as it would be to have them,
I just don’t think this is the time to invest large amounts of money in players like Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder.
In two or three years, I seriously hope that it will make sense, i.e. that the Cubs are serious contneders.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
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Generally, I agree this is not the time to put a lot of $ towards big-name free agents
however… guys like Pujols and Fielder are rare opportunities… and I think you purse them (at the right price of course)
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 14, 2011 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
The Cubs need a first baseman and if they don’t at least pursue one of these opportunities who knows who might be available in two to four years.
Who knows who might be available works both ways.
Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder will be too expensive, IMHO, and who knows if they can maintain their current level of play for 3 or 4 or 5 years. I just don’t feel the timing is right for this kind of investment.
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in all fairness...
every free agent hiring is a gamble/risk. some are better odds than others, but its all a risk.
personally i think it’d be good timing to bring in Fielder, one of the best hitters at a position we have an opening at, after a season that showed alot of bleh from the front office, manager, players. i’m also not advocating breaking records with the contracts.
So i you can give you can take it.
One way or the other, we'll just have to wait and see what Theo, Jed & Co. think.
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Players become free agents in their late 20s.
Every one of them is going to be a risk. To me, the time seems right to invest in a big name player again—it’s not a band aid, it’s a cornerstone.
I'd be willing to invest in Fielder for 6 years - have him serve as an anchor (heh heh) for the team
while TheoHoyer continue to build/mold/reconstruct the rest of the team in 2012 and 2013. Then starting in 2014, I believe we could easily have a juggernaut in place to do a little payback on the rest of the NL for the next 4 years, and beyond.
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The problem is if the price they both (Pujols & Fielder) stay where they are
Pujols is older and already in decline (still great) and might be 35. Fielder is a horrible fielder (add 10+ more errors to Castro) He’s a DH.
I’d be happy if the Cubs added Jackson or someone similar – maybe an innings eater in Maholm or Francis & resigned Pena for 2 years.
I’m kinda interested in what a defense & pitching team would look and play like. Of course we still have the buffalo on roller stakes in LF.
by Hookers or Cake on Nov 14, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Pujols is 31.
That’s a proven fact. Please don’t continue to promulgate the fiction that he might be older.
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Pujols/31
I don’t think it’s a “proven fact”, and as far as Keith Law writes anyway, there is doubt about his age from people in the game.
With all due respect
Pujols came to the USA and enrolled in high school in the KC area. Further, all of the ages of foreign-born players were re-checked after 9/11. Some of them were changed, including that of Alfonso Soriano (originally gave birth year as 1978, really 1976).
This is a false canard, and I wish people here would stop promulgating it.
Albert Pujols is 31. Period.
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Well if it was wrong once, it would seem a natural reaction to think it might be wrong again
If you want to put this to bed once and for all, maybe you could explain what was re-checked after 9/11? Were they able to obtain actual birth certificates? And what assurances are there that those weren’t forged?
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I don't have all the details here.
However, I would tend to believe the State Department — which did the checking — rather than a poster here who clearly thinks “Some Dominicans have faked their birth details, therefore Albert Pujols must have”, with no shred of evidence nor proof.
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what was the recent case of
the MLB player having the wrong name ?? or birthday,,,,I cannot recall,,was thinking it was within the last 6-12 mos
by cozmotaylor123 on Nov 14, 2011 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Leo Nunez.
But again, the number of people who have been caught doing this is a tiny percentage of all foreign born players.
If anyone really thinks Pujols is older than 31, let’s see the evidence. Otherwise it’s just a wild accusation with nothing to back it up.
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That was the CPKA (closer previously known as) Leo Núñez with the Marlins
His real name turned out to be Juan Oviedo. He’s still listed on 40-man roster on their official website, but has a “Restricted” designation next to his name.
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Still
There is still a commonly held belief among GMs that Pujols may be older than 31. As I recall, it was addressed off the record at the MIT Sloan Analytics conference.
As for trusting the State Dept., well knowing many people that work there and with the State Dept. (not to mention Govt. incompetency in general) this leaves me somewhat distrustful of the State Dept. As another poster noted, look at the Marlins’ “Leo Nunez” issue. I’m sure he had to be cleared by the State Dept. to play here! As did Wandy Rodriguez who also lied about his age.
I hear ya
but just nitpicking that it is not a proven fact.
Jerry Crasnick did that ESPN survey with “28 general managers, assistant GMs, scouts and player personnel people by phone and email on the condition of anonymity.”
And it was brought up:
Although Pujols steadfastly maintains that there are no surprises on his birth certificate, he’s had to deal with questions about his age since he took St. Louis and baseball by storm a decade ago. Several respondents raised the issue without prompting in the ESPN.com survey.
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It’s still an issue to some people. Regardless of proof.
An issue to whom?
Again, this is just hearsay stirred up by people who want to tear Pujols down, IMO.
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Didn't things will bother different people
If that couple years difference that MAYBE a very small possiblilty to you is a deal breaker on Albert that’s all well and good.
You are right we don’t know for sure, but with someone as famous as he is, if there was a possible difference I think it would have came to light before now. B/c uncovering that would be a major news item and thus put a feather in the cap of the reporter/ group that discovered it
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't know that about Sori
That’s quite interesting
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
He's probably the highest profile player who had to adjust his age.
But again, the total number of foreign born players caught lying about age or name is a tiny percentage of all foreign born players — far less than 1%.
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It doesn't matter about Pujols anyway...he's not coming to Chicago...
…I hope he’s 48 and the Cardinals pump him with about $250 M for the next 10 years.
Didn’t Miguel Tejada get busted for claiming he was younger, too?
"Keep looking into the past and you'll keep repeating the past" - Some Smart Guy
Wow I'm agreeing with you
feels a bit odd.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
Did this get caught before of after the Cubs signed him
I assume before, but I don’’t remember it happening, just hearing that it did in the past tense.
It seems to me that if it were after the Cubs signed him, that they could void the contract on false representation…so it musta been before.
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It was before.
It was when he was traded to the Rangers.
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I never knew that this is what they meant when a player gets a physical...
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Its far more than 1% for Dominican players
there are about 70 MLB players from the Dominican
I know 3 Dominican players off the top of my head Soriano, Nunez, and Tejada who lied about their age and are all Dominican = <4% and again this is off the top of my head. There might be more.
Pujlos was born in the Dominican and reputable journalists, GMs and scouts have questioned Pujols’s age.
I’m not saying he is older than 31. I honestly don’t know, but lets not pretend that there is a precedent for Dominican players fudging their age. His drop off each of the last 2 years has probably fueled the talk more than anything – he’s still a really good player, but he seems to have peaked 3-4 years ago and is in decline.
He MAY not be an elite player going forward.
by Hookers or Cake on Nov 14, 2011 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
70 MLB players?
What about the hundreds of minor leaguers? We’re not just talking about current players, either.
It’s a far smaller percentage than you claim. “Questioning” it without proof is just plain wrong.
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Well, um, questioning is exactly what you do
before you have proof. Once you get proof there’s no longer any need to question.
My point is
you have to have a reason to question. IMO, there is enough evidence that Pujols is 31, that there is no reason to question, unless you simply want to throw enough darts at foreign players that one of them might stick.
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If a team has a need, they have to buy when the market is open
The Cubs need a 1B and the market for high quality 1B is open in 2011-12. Signing Fielder is about the teams in 2013 and beyond. This will limits the $ to be spent on pitching, but most of the FA pitchers in this offseason are spare parts, not foundation pieces for a winning rotation. The time to shop for pitchers is next offseason, when the pending FA group is much, much stronger.
The shopping list isn't necessarily only limited to free agents.
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I think
there may be a fair number of prospects in our system with significant trade value that the new regime doesn’t like (or at least doesn’t think they are a big part of our future).
Looking at Theo’s comments about our last draft—where he essentially said he liked how much money we spent but not necessarily who we spent it on—would suggest that’s true.
Typically you wouldn’t give up a lot of pieces in a somewhat weak system, but if that system is about to get overhauled, maybe you do. Not saying we can get an ace, but I do think it’s realistic to think we could go after guys like Shields, Danks, etc. Perhaps we build a rotation kind of like Milwaukee’s last year—no “aces” but 3 or 4 number 2 starters.
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So far, those valueable prospects have done a fine job of maintaining their anonymity....
Who do you see who could fetch even a 2/3 starter? Remember, those guys drafted in 2011 can’t be traded until a year after they signed. Even Vitters probably has limited value, as his power has been so-so and he won’t take a walk.
Wouldn't be a one-for-one deal
but a package of several guys would be enough for someone like Danks. In my opinion. I am not looking to get into a debate on which prospects it would take or specifics on how valued our prospects are in baseball. Only making the point that the new regime might feel a lot of our prospects are much more expendable than we think.
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I just don't see it - most of the "prospects" in the high minors grade out as marginal starters or bench guys
Except for McNutt and Jackson. Vitters may be better, but he just hasn’t shown enough to be convincing or the major piece in a big trade (unless Theo/Jed are Barnum-quality promoters).
I agree that the new regime will be much more willing to part with players right now
since they weren’t the ones to draft/sign them. I just wonder if trading for a guy like Danks would practically wipe out the higher levels of the minors, since they’re pretty weak to begin with.
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Unless the Sox want to essentially do a straight Danks for Archer swap, I don't even see the talent in the high minors for that deal
Maybe the Cubs could add one of the AAA catchers, but then who else? The one possibility would be if the Cubs would use a deal like to move Byrd.
How would you do Danks for Archer?
Considering he’s in the Rays system now.
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I'd consider doing that.
Danks is good, lefthanded and relatively young.
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But I don't see the White Sox doing it without more thrown in
And once you trade McNutt, the upper minors don’t have much talent left. There may be love for guys like DJL and Flaherty here, but I don’t think they grade out as long-term MLB starters.
Danks may not have the same promise as Garza, but the Rays got two significant prospects and a couple of solid utility types in that deal. And given the premium on SPs, I actually don’t think Hendry got snookered in that deal.
It is when you don't have much to trade
Look at what the Cubs had to give for Garza – some here hated it but that is about the going price for a top notch starter. Do that again it would strip out the farm system above the A+ level. And it makes no sense to trade good prospects for a 4/5 type of starter.
I kind of hope the Marlins
get one of the two big boys – would free up Gaby Sanchez who is young and under team control
Agreed.
No one’s signing Fielder to a one year contract, so there’s no reason to be so hung up on whether or not the Cubs are serious contenders next year. You sign the best players when you have a need and they’re available, especially when you have the resources the Cubs do.
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Nice breakdown, Al...
One thing is for sure – the 2012 roster is going to look a LOT different than 2011. At this point, I don’t see the Cubs making a run at Pujols. Fielder would be a stretch, too, even though I think he would be a good fit on the North Side…
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I think they'll have closer to 40 million to spend this offseason.
Either way, I still think there is plenty of room to spend on Fielder (or Pujols). And I think they have to make a run at a big time 1B. They now have 0 big time power hitters on the roster and giant holes in each of the corner (power) positions (I know Soriano could be considered for these, but I mean, come on).
I have total faith in the Epstein regime, but I just don’t see how they don’t make an offer to one of these guys. I know a lot of you are holding out on Epstein getting “creative” with trades this offseason, and I think he’ll make a couple, but nothing too significant considering the limited depth of the farm system. The Cubs don’t have many pieces at the big league or minor league level that are of great value (and keep in mind that they’ll likely be giving up one or two of those pieces as part of a compensation package to Boston).
With all this in mind, the 2012 Cubs offense looks quite putrid. The focus right now appears to be pitching, and I cannot fault that, but I think they will be looking to fix both sides this offseason. A middle-of-the-order power bat is essential for so many reasons. I know Epstein has reiterated over and over again that this will be a slow build and that they are going to fix things from the bottom up, but he went after a big free agent every offseason in Boston. That was a different situation, they were much closer than the Cubs are now, but I still don’t see Epstein as one to sit and wait on his farm system for too long. With money to spend, you’d think he has to be willing to fill one of the 3-4 huge holes on this offense.
I think they’ll have closer to 40 million to spend this offseason.
That depends on how big they allow the payroll to get.
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I think you're...
coming pretty close at 120 million.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 14, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
Maybe 125, but that’d be tops.
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It also may be entirely possible that Ricketts is willing to eat some money this year (2012)
And have a payroll of 130 – 135 million knowing there is a lot of money coming off of the books next offseason.
At the end of the day, we really have no idea what Ricketts is willing to do, or what has changed in his mind now that Theo and Jed have taken over.
Also, the slotting max on the first 10 rounds of the draft may have an effect on payroll as well since it would limit spending in the top rounds.
Until the CBA comes out, and until Jed and Theo show their hand, we’re really just guessing as far as numbers go. I personally think 120 is a little low, and think 125-130 is more likely this year.
Finally, I think you’re a little high on Soto for Arb2. Russell Martin currently holds the record for a catcher through arb2 and he only received 5.05 Million (after receiving 3.9M in arb1). I’d be surprised if Soto got to Martin’s number, none the less 500k more.
CBA won't have a huge overall impact the Cubs
that is unless they’re planning on spending like the Yankees, which is just about impossible.
There won’t be a cap and luxury tax will remain high. Only thing would be a $$$ slotting for draftees and that would only improve the situation given their 2011 spree.
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Gotta find some pop
Some how they need to replace A-Ram’s offense….not gonna be easy if they don’t splurge for one of the big FA’s. I also have faith in FO so we’ll see…they’re laying low but haven’t definitely said "no way’’ to Pujols or Fielder.
Epstein all but said it himself.
1. Rebuild the farm system.
2. Rebuild the pitching staff
3. Change the culture of the Cubs “Wins are sacred”
This means you’re going to see us going after guys like Cespedes and building youth. No Fielder or Pujols. Keep Pena, who’s better than people think he is. Give Zambrano one more chance. Limit Soriano. For Free agents, i see them going after pitching first.
My two cents.
give Z one more chance???
oh my…
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by digitalbenjamin on Nov 14, 2011 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
I lost track on what # chance that would be
for Big Headcase, 5 or 6…? Yeah, what the hell, ONE more chance…
No freakin’ way he comes back. Theo wants to change the culture first and foremost, and Z is perhaps the biggest representation of that old culture. Good. BYE.
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by HawkVision on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
As for Z I've began to wonder if it's not him being a diva
but he has some serious problems, which a few weeks anger management won’t help. That being said, does anyone here reading this think he can make it though a whole season with out a serious outburst? I don’t
Want to change culture? Maybe a starting point is getting rid of someone who can’t make it though the season with out needing to be suspended for something.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
Want to change culture? Maybe a starting point is getting rid of someone who can’t make it though the season with out needing to be suspended for something.
This.
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You know my feelings on this issue, Al.
But the same reasons we want him gone are the reasons why finding a team willing to pay even a quarter of his salary won’t be that easy.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
It'
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
It's not just getting rid of a player who has had multiple physical alterations
with people on his team.
Our (Cubs fans) idea of culture change and the stat pack’s idea of it, I would think is going to be different.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
yuck yuck yuck...
Hey Michael Barrett, can I shorten your inseam, you miserable no good….
may addition by subtraction be real
Culture
Theo is driven to win. Zambrano’s fits, although dishonorable, are because of his drive to win. I don’t like them but he called out Michael Barrett who couldn’t catch, D. Lee who had a bad back and was fielding poorly, and the team this year for playing poorly. There were other instances where he was emotional but Z wants to win. Maybe keeping him for one more year isn’t the worst thing? Regardless we’re stuck paying that 18 Million.
There will always be Z apologists
That’s the nature of baseball.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
When he last threw his fit and the team suspended him I wanted him gone. I’ve thought it through since then. He could be a valuable asset to this team still. If he rebounds we might be able to trade him (assuming he agrees) or garner a Type B (depends on the CBA) draft pick.
I’d like SOME return on the Cubs’ investment basically. Do I think is he still a jerk and dbag – yea. I’m just looking at this as a business issue really.
We can agree to disagree
b/c we view this very differently thats ok.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed. I’m not being emotional about it. Basically I trust whatever Theo does and I hope for the best.
I think we pretty much all feel that Theo will do what's best for the team.
That’s very different from the previous regime.
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Previous regime thought that too
It’s just when they were wrong, they were really, really wrong and when they were right, it wasn’t just often enough.
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Actually
… many times, the previous regime did what was best for individual players and NOT what was best for the team.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 14, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This like 10000000 times
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
He calls out everyone but himself.
How many homers did he give up in that Atlanta game. Z is big on pointing the finger at everyone but himself. He must go.
Z
is a bit like politics and religion. Best not discussed if your view points aren’t similar
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
I think its funny
that we all have essentially the same information, but those that want to see Z gone read that Zambrano will likely be gone from the quotes supplied by Theo and Jed.
and for those like me who, for financial and roster reasons, want Zambrano to stay, read the same quotes and “hear” that it makes financial sense for Zambrano to stay.
So i you can give you can take it.
Good article....
Thinngs like Byrd not being allowed to leave on waivers is still annoying.
Trying to get past it…LOL
It may work out, TJ.
Maybe Theo & Jed will be able to deal him and get more than Jim Hendry could have.
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you can generally get more at the
deadline than in the off season
by cozmotaylor123 on Nov 14, 2011 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Depends
For a guy who is younger or whose contract is about up, you are probably right. And this would fit Byrd in 2012. But for a more complex deal like moving Soriano and working out payments for 2013-2014, the time available in the offseason works better than a deadline deal.
Byrd had a bad year, so his value was down.
That said, the Cubs might have been best off just getting another team to pay his salary.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I guess it is possible
a good GM gets more in the offseason than
a bad GM at the deadline……who knows…
by cozmotaylor123 on Nov 14, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I think the front office will be focusing on pitching...
I don’t think they will go after the big name sluggers. Cespedes could be a possibility because of his age and what he supposedly brings to the table. Outside of that, I think we will be providing salary relief for some of the clubs needing to shed some payroll in the pitching department.
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USA Today is short one Carlos
They don’t have Carlos Silva listed for the Cubs 2011 payroll. From baseball reference, his salary was $11.5MM with Seattle paying $5.5MM.
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That must be the difference
… that accounts for most of the difference between the two numbers. I’ll go with Cot’s.
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RB is correct.
And as a result, I think that IF the 2012 payroll is intended to be similar to the 2011 payroll (as has been reported), and IF they wanted to make a run at Pujols or Fielder, there’d be plenty of money to do it. A comparable payroll would be one that is North of $130 mm, not $120 mm. (That would also be below what they spent in 2010; and on par with what they spent in 2009). Accepting the rest of your analysis of what the team is likely to do with arbitration, renewals, etc., that would give them $43 mm in space this year. That would be plenty of money for either Pujols or Fielder, especially considering that (a) $10 m of the 2011 salary went to a 1B who would not return in that scenario, so the marginal cost of Pujols/Fielder is their 2012 salary -$10M; and (b) a further $32 mm comes off the books in 2013 with the expiration of the Zambrano and Dempster contracts.
Here’s another way of looking at it. Following are the 2011 salaries of players who almost certainly WON’T be back next year (values taken from Cot’s):
- Ramirez – $14.6M
- Fukudome – $14.5M
- Pena – $10M
- Silva – $7.25M
- Grabow – $4.8M
- Wood – $1.5M (of the people on this list, he’s the most likely to be back I’d say)
- Johnson – $0.9M
Total: $53.55M. So if they had an identical payroll, that’s the amount they’d have to work with to fund raises for arb-eligible players and free agents. That’s a lot of money. (and while you’re correct that we don’t know the allocation between MLB payroll and amateur signings, the fact of the matter is that in 2011 they committed a lot of resources to amateur signings and still carried a $130mm payroll, so there’s no reason to think that they can’t again carry a payroll of that level and continue to invest in amateurs).
by Orval Overall on Nov 14, 2011 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder though
what the revenue looked like this past year as compared with 2010. I’ll bet that it was down a good bit. I think that is the more likely number to set the budget for next year. Unfortunately, that isn’t a number that we are going to get.
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Wood and RJ are both likely to be back.
But I don’t think those two salaries combined would amount to much more than maybe $4- $5 million.
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Jackson and Danks (via trade) seem to be the popular choices around here.
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i guess my feeling on it is
meh, and meh. they’d be neat and all…but for what and how much?
I’D rather shop in the 2013 FA class:
Matt Cain
Cole Hamels
Zack Greinke
James Shields
So i you can give you can take it.
But what about next season?
Garza, Dempster, Wells, Shark and Cashner?
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I understand Theo is near diety and all...
but are we really expecting them to seriously contend for the playoffs? i’m not ravenous for next years playoffs as long as they are building, and i’m okay with not slapping band-aids all around if it means we fill holes in the line up wisely. i just dont see jackson and danks pushing us over that edge of serious contention.
So i you can give you can take it.
They still need people to go to the games.
If our rotation has Matt Garza and a bunch of question marks (even Dempster isn’t all that sure of a thing anymore) the Cubs won’t need to worry about contention. They’ll need to worry about 100 losses — and I doubt that’s what Theo wants for his first year in Chicago.
Remember, Theo believes that wins are sacred — so he won’t just write off 2012. I don’t deify the guy, but they won’t just cut bait on 2012.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
i guess i didnt really answer your question...
i dont know what to do next year. I’d be okay with Garza, dempster, Wells Z, cashner…Shark scares me in the roster.
So i you can give you can take it.
How does that square with a 'culture change' and 'wins are sacred'?
The Cubs would get roasted if they did what you’re suggesting — unless they overpay for Fielder or Pujols.
I know the new regime is going to build from within, and I support that. But even if the Cubs sign Fielder or Pujols, the team you’re proposing could end up being worse than the 2011 squad. Fielder/Pujols would replace Pena AND Ramirez. Dempster, Byrd and Soriano are aging and could easily fade even further, Cashner and Wells are huge question marks and depending on Zambrano hasn’t worked since Lehman Brothers was still considered a solid financial enterprise.
Even if the Cubs supplemented a Fielder/Pujols signing with a nice pickup like Grady Sizemore, it’s very possible we could see a return of Rodrigo Lopez (or someone similar) to fill out the rotation. Remember, the Cubs were so low on starting pitching prospects in the high minors in 2011 that Doug Davis, Lopez, Ramon Ortiz and James Russell pretty much combined to hold down a rotation spot all year.
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Well, no one's saying we should sign Jackson at all costs.
And, seriously, calling him a No. 5ish starter is off base.
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OK, but he is a #4 on a solid staff - gives up too many hits and doesn't work enough innings/start
And as I recall, a prediction here a week or so ago was that he would get 3-4 years and $10M/year. Even if that is off, he winds up pretty expensive for a guy who is just a marginal improvement.
He does seem to be the second coming of Jason Marquis.
But a rotation of Garza, Dempster, Wells, Z and Shark/Cashner/McNutt could easily lead to a worse record in 2012.
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Acknowledged. I just think Jackson will cost more than he is worth.
At this point, the place to spend $ is 1B because there is value available in the FAs there. For the rotation, the Cubs should be looking at chear & serviceable pitchers who can be signed short term and go big next year when the contracts for Dempster, Z and Byrd are all gone.
There have to be reasons Jackson is going on his 6th team.
Cooper and Duncan couldn’t fix him.
I bet Hamels will be off that list by 2013.
The Phillies don’t seem to have a problem spending money.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
No, silly.
Who’s on First. We need pitching.
by Orval Overall on Nov 14, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Good piece, Al.
If he were better defensively, I think we’d see Fielder on the North Side next year. He’s young enough that he could still be around in 2013-14, and the Cubs could probably afford him on a backloaded deal. But I don’t see the Cubs doing all that for a guy who is a defensive liability when they have relatively little money to spend.
My guess is the Cubs make a decent offer to Jackson and roll the dice on somebody like Grady Sizemore (that’s assuming they can deal Byrd). I wouldn’t be shocked if we see Pena back. That still leaves third base and a rotation spot (if Z’s gone).
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For a few moments there, I was drawing a blank on who you meant by Jackson, given that it's a common last name
All I could think of was Danny Jackson… (shudder)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yeah, no thanks there.
Maybe Dave Smith is available, too. :)
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This Jackson?
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"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Sorry...
The Cubs have not been in contact with me or my agent this off-season.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 14, 2011 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to have Pena back
He’s probably the best value out of the FA first base men outside of Pujols/Fielder. The problem is he’ll probably take another 10 MM out of the budget. That probably only leaves enough room for one quality starting pitcher?
When you have gaps at third, first, rightfield, and a black hole in left field, it’s hard to say where to begin. Traditionally you’d see a lot of mashers who can field well enough to play the corners in free agency but I just don’t see it this season. There were a lot of guys on the market last year who could have filled the third base or first base role.
And don't the Cubs still owe Pena $5 mil?
That’s another $5 million less to spend this offseason.
Jed Hoyer has stated that they need better pitching, defense, and speed
But this free agent market does not appear to be pitching rich. I could see them still going after Fielder or Pujols and expanding the payroll to accomodate one of them. Either player would increase ticket sales for 2012 and provide more resources for when Epstein and Hoyer have more flexibility to shape the roster.
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Pujols seems like a bad idea.
He’s obviously one of the greatest ever. But it could easily be two years before the Cubs are legit contenders again, at which point Pujols will be 37 (and, presumably, only about a quarter of the way through his deal). Fielder makes more sense, but he’s bad defensively.
I think the Cubs pass on both of them.
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Sorry, Pujols is 31.
Not quite awake yet. But I think the logic remains.
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I'd be happy to see Pujols out of St. Louis
I’m hoping he’ll sign with the Marlins. I don’t want him in Chicago but I don’t want to see him in St. Louis anymore either.
I’ll gladly take Pujols on the Cardinals if they overpay him and take on his salary for too long. I hope he destroys their payroll.
by astroview on Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That would help in five years
But he’s still good now and I want the Cardinals to suck tomorrow.
They just won the WS. It annoys me also
but if they sign resign him and destroy their payroll for the next couple years….
This helps the Cubs in the long run.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
I like Fielder over Pujols
Unless the ballpark numbers have changed recently, Wrigley Field favors LH power hitters. And the Cubs have enough left-handed power, Mark Grace not withstanding.
While I’d like a better defensive 1B, but I think that’s more to compensate for Castro’s throws vs. 1B defense itself.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I've always liked to watch Fielder play.
I just don’t see Theo and Jed pulling the trigger on him.
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and maybe some of our new braintrust can go to work on improving Castro's accuracy
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correction
And the Cubs have never had enough left-handed power, Mark Grace not withstanding.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
maybe not since Billy Williams
Numbers may not lie, but they don’t tell the whole truth (and nothing but the truth), either. -- Doug Glanville
and somewhere out there in ex-Cub land, Derrick May hangs his head in shame...
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I realize this is not players salary
but they still have to pay Hendry & Quade and Jed, Theo, Jason and whoever they hire for manager is likely to make far more than their predecessors. Worth every penny but expensive.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM CST reply actions
I wouldn't expect any of the managerial candidates..
… to get more than about $1.5 million a year. Maybe a three-year deal for $5 million.
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Add that to cost of 3 new guys
and you are well north of 5 million. Might have been enough to re-sign Grabow damn it.
However it is a real cost.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
But people will buy tickets just to see Epstein, Hoyer, and McLeod at the ballpark!
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 14, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Well Hoyer did play semi pro ball for one summer
and played and coached for my Alma Mater no less and I had to remember we even had a baseball team (Lacrosse and wrestling where the big “sports”) We could give him an NRI for the bench.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 14, 2011 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Naw
He’s probably an aggressive-early-in-the-count hitter. And the GM wants to move away from those guys.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 14, 2011 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
This season coming up
is by far the most speculative I can remember.
If the Cubs don’t go after the two big first basemen, then I sign Pena for a fair amount. He appears to be a good clubhouse person and is solid with the glove. Filling the 3rd base position will be the big challenge.
If by the stroke of luck both Z and Soriano get moved, then all bets are off on the moves. I mean who knows who comes on board.
Before player moves the Cubs name a manager correct?
no way on Pena
going on 34 and he hits 220, he wants a multi year deal….goodbye….I’m so sick of the good in the clubhouse crap too.
I read pitching, defense and speed to mean our bench
will give us a lot more flexibility in who is starting in particular situations. Stat pack? Left handed starter this guy starts. This pitcher is starting, this team. Another pitcher, speed team. I see a lot of flexibility early in this rebuilding process.
I also see us flying under the radar for other teams spare pieces that could fit a role without breaking the payroll bank. Guys that fill our need but might have overstayed their welcome with another team. I just think we’ll be outside the box thinkers and make some moves that are more unpredictable than the moves we see listed on all the “Rumor” blogs out there; i.e. not the flashy hitter but great on defense that can take a walk and steal a base.
This management team, IMO, will surprise us with abnormal, unpredictable moves.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
Very shocked to see Matt Kemp might be off the market
the word is the Dodgers are gonna give him a eight year deal for 20 mill per season. This is the guy I badly wanted the Cubs to get….with Zambrano and Dempster off the books at 33 mil next year, I wanted to give Kemp 25 mil per year. This guy is a total stud and would be a monster at Wrigley. Too bad, I think Kemp has left 40 million on the table………I’m def sitting out on Pujols and Fielder.
I'm not surprised
Kemp wants to stay in LA and while the Dodgers have money problems right now, with McCourt agreeing to sell, those problems are going to be over soon. Having Kemp locked up probably increases the sale value of the club.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 14, 2011 3:10 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't it great to have a front office
that when we are sitting here pondering this, I’m not worried that the decision they make and the reasons…… won’t insult my intelligence.
I made a habit of trying to stay away from these sort of the post b/c I knew that I likely won’t enjoy reading them the last few years
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 PM CST reply actions
I agree
Honestly, if the Cubs hadn’t made the drastic (and dramatic) changes they’ve made this off-season, I not only wouldn’t be following them right now, but I would be almost done with them altogether. They really needed to change the culture. Let’s hope they’re on their way.
ALMOST is the important word :)
They are lousy relative or the ex that you cut ties with but each time you forgive.
If I could have given up the Cubs I would have done it over the last 3 seasons.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 14, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
They're gonna have $120M-$125M for the big league payroll
and will have enough money to pay the right ‘12 draftees. On the big-league side they’re going to mix high-profile and low-tier FA’s and make a couple trades.
Think Jed/Theo will be smart and have some reserves for a mid-season move, that maybe just maybe won’t just be for the remainder of the ’12 season but to fill a need for the bigger picture / ’13 and beyond need.
In reading a lot of Theo’s benchmark with the BoSox for several seasons, I would not be surprised to see Fielder in Cubbie-blue. His 4 years the Jr of Pujols will push the Cubs that way, plus the fact I still can’t see Pujols leaving the RedBirds.
They won’t make a SP FA splash and I still can’t see Z coming back.
Rami did them a $2M favor the other day on his FA selection. Wood will re-sign for something in the neighborhood of $1.8M and they’ll use Grabow’s money wisely.
Don’t be surprised to see a Marlon Byrd trade to open it up for Jackson if he’s ready, Colvin may just get a RF shot and Reed Johnson will be a nice 4th OF.
Can’t figure out yet what they’re going to do at 2B and 3B or even if Geo will be back for sure.
Just win the next game...!
I saw a rumor about Chone Figgins for Zambrano
I’m not sure I feel too good about that though, being that Figgins has two years left on his deal.
About the same amount of money though
I’d only do this if you can’t find another deal and if you’re absolutely convinced that Zambrano cannot pitch for the Cubs again. Figgins might be worth a gamble, but Zambrano is still a good player, just a disruptive personality. With Figgins, you’re just hoping he can be good again.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 14, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I make that deal if Figgins is still above average defensively at third.
Pushing half of the $18 million owed to 2013 might mean the Cubs have the resources to sign somebody like Grady Sizemore in 2012. Figgins also adds some lefty balance to the lineup, even if he hits seventh.
If Figgins continues to struggle, he becomes the team’s overpaid utility player for a couple years — but at least we won’t be spending more time waiting for Z to explode. Plus, how would the Cubs pull off the much-discussed culture change without shedding Zambrano?
Figgins could end up being a valuable piece for a team with a lot of question marks. I know he won’t be as good as DeRosa 2007-08 was, but having a guy who can move to just about any position is valuable.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
can i play devils advocate for a second?
what if the culture change is simply not spending Money in dumb ways. what if its whats best for the team and not for the player, because either way cutting zambrano lets him off, because he still gets paid, and he gets a fresh start. i’d say make him accountable forthe team he effed up. win or lose. and cut ties next year when we have no responsibility for him.
So i you can give you can take it.
'what if its whats best for the team and not for the player'
I think it’s best for the team if Carlos Zambrano never pitches for the Cubs again.
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by elgato on Nov 14, 2011 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
el...
if he still had two years left on his contract, i would be right there with you. But, he has one year left, he’s owed 18 million bucks and we need pitching. NOW, if Theo and Jed come up with some roster saving beautiful trade that nets us some worthwhile number 3 pitcher…okay. I’m not attached to Z. but for what he does and what he’s owed, he can pitch until we get break even on his contract, or maybe, just maybe take a little bit of a loss… .
So i you can give you can take it.
I used to be dead set against Z pitching for the Cubs again...
However, with Theo and Jed I think there is a much higher standard for conduct, accountability, and production. If they cannot find a way to get something of value in exchange for Z let’s see if they can turn him around. He crossed the line when he walked out on the team but it will be even worse for the team if they let him go for nothing in return.
就是今年！
by CubFanInChina on Nov 14, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think
that the cubs are going to do their due diligence on pujols/fielder and make them an offer that the cubs can afford. If they take it great, if not the cubs will move on and figure something else out. I understand you have to move on free agents when they come available, but I just don’t see either of those two really helping the cubs right now, especially with the changes that have to take place. It would be nice to have them, but not necessary, and that money can be better spent elsewhere….or not spent at all
I don’t expect a lot out the offseason this year, just too many expensive parts to move……
Z won’t be back…..can’t come back. he’s had more then enough chances, and this “well he wants to win” only goes so far. Just because you want to win doesn’t mean you can act any way you want and have titanic meltdowns on national tv and embarrass not only yourself but your team.
I think payroll $ will be equal to last year or higher
can’t see them dropping below sixth or seventh highest -
by doofus cubs guy on Nov 14, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions
Looking hard at the roster
unless Theo can really pull of some under the radar deals, we are really, really gonna suck next year……75 wins would set off a celebration with that roster.
I'd like to see Fielder signed to a 4 year deal @ 22-25M per
bringing the total to $110M and then sign 10 players to 1 year deals at an average of $1.5M per for next season and chalk next year up as a loss… I think Theo is smart enough to see that there are better options in 2013 and signs a couple studs out of the 2013 FA group like Napoli, Philips, Ethier, Cain, Greinke, or Hamels to 4-5 year deals.
Is Fielder going to sign that short a contract
because we invoke the “best interests of the Cubs” clause?
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OT:
On CTL tonight they said Z and Theo were seen having lunch today. Would love to have heard what was said.
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Al you frame the flexibility and restrictions
Here are my thoughts, next year is about gaining more flexibility and finding, acquiring, developing and determining talent into a winning team foundation.
Rebuild the farm system.
Rebuild the pitching staff
Change the culture of the Cubs; Wins are sacred
At the top does Zambrano enter into this decision model: I don’t see it…the question then is what ‘my bad for your bad’ can be made…most obvious is Chone Figgins in that it could be a straight money deal and Figgins offers some value, he increases flexibility in the annual payroll ($8M +/-), where the Cubs could use that budget for a Cespedes.
I think 1B is not going to be a big name right now it does not add up to the above plan and reduces flexibility, but I do think Cubs might try to move Soriano to 1B and then platoon him with LaHair. Now Cubs could move Jackson to CF, Cespedes to RF and Byrd to LF, suddenly in the OF they have a better defense.
The target might be someone like Reyes, again flexibility where the club moves Castro to 3B and starts out with Figgins at 2B and then works in LaMathieu and Flaherty with Barney as the utility player. Figgins takes on Baker’s role as a bat off the bench as the season works out. Reyes costs $10-11M for 3-4 years.
Now all focus is on pitching. Marmol is traded for future prospects and Cubs bring up Carpenter join him with Cashner, Wood, Marshall, Russell plus two more arms TBD. So now the starting pitching is where short term thoughts rest. Fine we know the club has Dempster, Wells, Garza and probably Samardzija, they will need two arms, hopefully on southpaw and a young arm that might push someone to the bullpen.
More importantly I see Hoyer and Epstein trading pieces incrementally, as they go back to the plan, rebuilding the farm system, building the pitching staff and finally getting winners on the club.
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
Reyes costs $10-11M for 3-4 years.
what?
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 14, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
his value is reduced w injuries....go up to 12-13
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report now is 6 yrs, $90 million
so $15 million a year
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 15, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
And from what I've heard, he's not accepting that offer.
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I like Theo's new approach for the team
Build on the youth and the farm system, and replenish the pitching staff yearly, basically the model the Twins have been following for the past decade. Right now, all I want to see is basic needs being filled, they don’t have to be superstar FA’s, just decent all round ballplayers. That and some work on a replenished pitching staff…
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I'm not sure if Epstein/Hoyer are really interesting in pursuing Fielder/Pujols.
Obviously they should think of offering them something, but probably anything less than overpaying for a way-too-many-years kind of contract won’t cut it.
So my guess is they’ll be smart enough to stay away from a bloated contract. After all, the Cubs need MUCH more than a 1B power hitter to turn into a contender, so I’d rather jhave them sign half a dozen 5-10 million/year types over the next 2 or 3 years than one big fat contract.
by DamageControlFreak on Nov 16, 2011 7:46 AM CST reply actions
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