Random Cubs Recap: May 15, 1997
by Al Yellon on Nov 27, 2011 10:30 AM CST
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Not to worry. There will still be plenty of Cubs news coverage during the offseason here -- whenever there is any. It's been pretty quiet over the last few days, so I thought I'd start an occasional offseason series. Here's how it's going to work.
I went to random.org, a site that generates true random numbers, and had it select a month (4 through 9), date (1 through 31) and year (1985 through 2002), to pick a random date over that period of Cubs history. I chose that series of years because they immediately postdate the 1984 division championship team, and end right before the 2003 division championship team (which is also the year I started blogging about the Cubs). That's 18 years' worth of games, some better than others. (The handful of regular season games played in October won't be included; that's simply a choice I made.)
I'm going to do the random number selecting before I look at the game played that day. That way, whatever is picked is a surprise even to me. (If the random number generator picks an off day, I'll do it a second time.) Then, I'll write a recap as if BCB existed on that day. I'm also going to try to write these from the perspective of the time -- in other words, not "knowing" what was going to happen from that day forward.
The first date it chose for me was May 15, 1997. That was a pretty bad year for the Cubs, as you surely know. However, it turned out to be a pretty good game on that day. Follow me past the jump for the recap of this random Thursday afternoon game at a chilly Wrigley Field.
This season has not started well for the Cubs.
You don't really need me to tell you that; the 14-game losing streak that began this year is the worst in National League history.
You know me; I'm always looking for the bright side. So I have the tiniest bit of optimism after the Cubs beat the Padres 8-2 this afternoon at Wrigley. They've played .500 ball since the end of the losing streak (now 12-12 since the 0-14 start) and today's win gives them six wins in their last 11 games.
Yes, I'm reaching a little. Forgive me -- this season has been so bad so far that a win like this one makes me want to believe the Cubs can dig themselves out of this hole.
It was chilly (just 48 degrees at game time) but sunny at the ballpark this afternoon and a middling crowd of 19,766 was on hand to see Frank Castillo throw. He responded with his best start since April 10, going seven innings and giving up just two runs, one of them on a solo homer by Wally Joyner that tied the game 1-1 in the top of the fourth. The Cubs came right back in the bottom of the inning to tie the game on a triple by Jose Hernandez, who then scored the lead run on a sac fly by Scott Servais, a lead they extended with a four-run seventh that put the game out of reach at 7-2. Mark Grace led the way with three hits, but the Cubs had fun tripling the day away; in addition to Hernandez' three-bagger, Sammy Sosa, Brian McRae and Doug Glanville all hit triples, the latter three off Padres reliever Tim Scott. It was the most triples a Cubs team had in a game in nearly 30 years, since the second game of a doubleheader on April 28, 1968 against the Astros, when they also had four in a 5-2 win.
About the only downer in this game was Ryno going 0-for-4; he's barely been able to break the Mendoza line this year and now is hitting just .196/.244/.313 with just three home runs in 119 plate appearances. Could this be his last season?
Tomorrow, the Cubs will face the Padres again; Kevin Foster will take the mound on a day that's supposed to be a little warmer (near 60). Hopefully, that will keep the Cubs' bats hot, too.
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Nice. Real nice Al.
Random recaps is a great idea and should give us a chance to look back and learn from our history. Also nice to read a game recap when its this cold in Iowa today.
Wasn’t it poor pitching and slow starts from our hitters in 97 that was our biggest downfall? This and I believe we had very cold weather to start the season.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Nov 27, 2011 10:40 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No one really hit well on that team except for Sosa and Grace...
… and Sosa’s BA was low (.251) and he struck out 174 times.
None of the starting pitchers was any good and Mel Rojas was horrific at closer, so bad he had to be traded after being signed to a then-big free-agent deal (three years, $13.75 million).
The Cubs played pretty close to .500 after the Rojas deal (21-25) and the acquisition of Lance Johnson and Mark Clark in that deal gave the Cubs two useful parts for the 1998 division champions.
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I miss Sammy
I don’t care that he was juicing. I miss homers in the yards of people on Kenmore
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
zzzz
that’s all you got?? Lame
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Some facts.
Of Sosa’s 609 career HR, 106 came in the first inning.
116 came in the 8th inning or later. He had 10 career walkoffs. The all-time record for walkoffs is 12, held by Jim Thome, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Stan Musial, Frank Robinson, and Babe Ruth.
Pretty good company. I’d say Sosa hit plenty of clutch home runs, based on that.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 27, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Didnt seem like it...Seemed like we watched him strike out on a pitch in the dirt more often than not in the 9th....
A good question would be how many of the HR came with the game close…The Cubs were losing by alot quite often in the 9th inning….
If you look at baseball reference
he was very consistent, you just choose to remember the negatives. He did have his lowest BA in the 9th inning which could be explained by facing more closers.
Yes, well human perception is very flawed and subject to several biases
What seems true often isn’t.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Nov 27, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
the real stat to look at is after he was beaned by Torres
he was never the same hitter after that.
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on Nov 27, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Also...
… the previous August he had collided with Mark Bellhorn, injuring his hip. He was out only a week, but hit just .216/.339/.412 the rest of the 2002 season. He was never quite the same after that, either.
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lots of Sosa defenders out today....
All I know is I felt like the Cubs were getting a break when he got walked to face Grace instead.
All I know is you seem to be consistently pessimistic about everything Cubs
Really, with every day that passes I wonder a little more why the hell you’re even a fan of this team?
by bdlugz on Nov 27, 2011 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
You didnt so why bother with your post.
Not all Kool Aid drinkers…..Some see reality….
the hope is thet the Theo group will change that around…
They seem to think there has been a major problem with how the Cubs have been run and and have played….just like me….
The fact that you think I would disagree with your statement
Shows you really don’t read what I write – shocking really.
I agree that there are/were some severe issues with this last years Cubs team, but I also understand that not every single thing about every single player was an unmitigated disaster. That last point is where you and I differ, and thank goodness for that.
I do not think everything was bad...just more than you did....
And all the coming changes show that they agree with me.
Seeing as we have no idea what changes are coming...
The only one agreeing with you is you.
You are severely delusional.
if you think there will only be minor changes, you are the delusional one...
last year was a waste of time…..you would think you could see that….
What is wrong with you?
Where did I say there would only be minor changes?
Your insistence to drive a conversation the way you want it to go regardless of what the other person is arguing is why many posters here simply regard you as a troll.
Try to keep up......
There will be major changes because they agree with me that there is problems…..
Wow, you've managed to change this entire argument to something so generic and stupid it's not even a debate.
Nowhere in this entire string did I say there wont be major changes. Nowhere did I say there aren’t problems with this team as it is currently constructed.
The fact still remains that you are unable or unwilling to read peoples posts and simply derive from each post what you want to rather than what was intended.
In this sense, you are worse than NBF, and it really isn’t even close.
"Didn't seem like it"
What a great retort to a very well researched post by Al.
by kanderber on Nov 27, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
More often than not, absolutely.
Baseball is a game where a 40% success rate is considered god like.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Only in batting average, or possibly OBP.
A 40% success rate for team wins = not so much.
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1998
*wild card (not division)
But that team did just as well in the playoffs that year as the ’07 and ’08 division champs.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
by HawkVision on Nov 28, 2011 7:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I like the idea, but the first thing through my head when I saw it was...
…. that Al is bored and that Theo has to do something soon to capture our interest. Entertain us, Theo Epstein! Entertain us!
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Well...
… at non-newsy times, this is a good discussion topic, I thought.
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I enjoyed reading it.
Keep the recaps coming. Hopefully the next time will be a better season to remember, though.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 27, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
It is a good idea. Plus it keeps you in good practice.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Good to see Brooks Kieschnick got into the game as a PH.....
He sure has a strong arm, I wonder if he could turn to pitching if the OF does not work out for him?
Maybe.
Would the Cubs ever do that? Maybe some other team would have to.
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Not sure if the Cubs have enough brain power to think that far out of the box....
Are you suggesting that he PH for a weak hitting pitcher and stay in the game to pitch?
Thats just crazy talk!!
Why, he might even be able to DH some days and pitch other days!
Oh, wait. We don’t have the DH in the National League.
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Well obviously Lynch will pick up some fine bullpen help over the next year.
Just don’t mess with trading Garland!
I think the Cubs should look into getting a new
front office leadership team. I think we might have to wait over a decade for this to happen, though.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
If this indeed is the end for Sandberg,
then I hope he comes back as a coach one day.
Sorry, couldn’t help it. This is a pretty cool idea Al.
most people go out
your bloody mary bar is in the kitchen
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
no vodka and no mix
but I do have spicy V8
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
What are those numbers
listed after Ryno’s name? We only need the batting average, right?
by portlandcubfan on Nov 27, 2011 11:05 AM CST reply actions
Oh, and the HR and RBI.
On your non-flat-screen TV.
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Before or after color?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
Spelling and grammar errors are included for creative and artistic reasons.
by eths on Nov 27, 2011 4:44 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
anyone take notice of the umpires for the game?
Mike Winters, Jerry Layne, Angel Hernandez, and Joe West…
Winters behind the plate, though
So it wasn’t nearly the sh*tshow it could’ve been. Time of game: 2:38 – that’s reasonable for a 10-run game with 3 pitching changes. Sterling Hitchcock didn’t suck nearly as badly as I figured he would; his WHIP was barely over 1 for the game.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Love this idea
I could go for 3-4 of these recaps a week. :)
by DanvilleCubs on Nov 27, 2011 12:39 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What's the idea of sending Brant Brown back to Iowa?
I know his stat line wasn’t the best, but we need his glove – not only at first, but platooning with Glanville in the outfield. If he was right handed, I’d like to see him fight in out with Kid Orie for the third base job – I’ll bet Ronnie could give him a few pointers.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Kevin Foster should be the closer/reliever...
He has good stuff the first time through the lineup, but after that he gets beat like a pinata. Great stuff, just for a short time. But I don’t think the Cubs are smart enough to do that.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
CUBS WIN!
It’s November 27th and the Cubs won today! Well, I’ll be…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I enjoyed this.
Particularly hearing the names Jose Hernandez and Scott Servais. I haven’t thought much about them in the last 15 years.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
wow, it really is slow around here
what else can you say?
I do this on my own every once in a while
not through random numbers, but by following certain search terms on BCB and coming up with old game recaps (and the comments – which are always hilarious in retrospect)… though it appears that old stories are now archived and I can’t search them anymore.
Just clicking through the archives, though, I found this one: Brad Lidge implodes, A Winning Streak Grows in Chicago.
If only Lidge HAD retired…
"We push bunt, we squeeze bunt, we hit and run, we steal home!" - Larry Cox on the 1989 NL East Champion Chicago Cubs
This was nice!
I’m looking forward to reading these and trying to remember if I watched the game as part of my childhood. Thanks for doing this!
That Guerrero kid with the Expos went 0-4 today.
Typical “coach’s kid” riding his Dad’s coattails. Geez.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
I sure love hearing Harry Caray sing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame"
Wouldn’t it be terrible if Harry were to pass on and celebrities like, oh, I don’t know, Jeff Gordon and Ozzy Osbourne were to attempt to sing that song?
Ozzy or Mike Ditka.
Ditka wears me out just listening to him in post-game pressers. He’d probably finish the song in 12 seconds.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
You might be on to something there – Let's line up some celebrities now while Harry is still around to share the booth.
It could be a little like Sinatra’s “Duets” with Bono, Willie Nelson, and Patti LaBelle. I’m sure Will Ferrell, Roseanne, Tom Dreesen, Kup, and countless others might be interested. Sportscasters like Brickhouse and Milo Hamilton also might enjoy harmonizing with Harry.
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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Minor League Update
Our top prospect is still Kerry Wood who is struggling with control down in Double-A Orlando. Perhaps more immediate help will come from Iowa’s Jeremi Gonzalez. He certainly doesn’t have Wood’s upside, but is much more likely to contribute this season.
Sandberg, if this is indeed his last season, could be replaced by Jason Maxwell. Maxwell is no Sandberg and he’s a little old for his level, but he gets on base and he has decent power for a middle infielder.
Still hoping Brooks Kieschnick turns into somehting. He’s struggling in Iowa, but he’s still got good power.
Down in the lower minors, Jose Molina is a good defensive catcher who could be a backup to Servais. There are a few good starting pitching prospects in Daytona’s Kyle Farnsworth and Courtney Duncan and Rockford’s Phil Norton. Farnsworth could be in the rotation by 1999 and Duncan and Norton by 2000. Another guy to watch in Rockford is Quincy Carter. Yes, he’s not hitting much, but he’s athletic (turned down a scholarship to play quarterback at Georgia Tech to sign with us) and only 19 years old.
Venezuelan shortstop Dennys Abreu is a long way away in Rockford, but he could be something special one day.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 27, 2011 4:14 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was checking Jeremi Gonzalez info,
and did not remember that he died in 2008 at the age of 33. Does anyone remember what happened?
hit by lightening
5/25/2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geremi_Gonz%C3%A1lez
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Wasn't a minor leaguer
He lost his prospect status in 1994.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 AM CST up reply actions
I was always frustrated by my perception of the misuse of Foster
I know the Cubs weren’t that good and needed starting pitching, but their unwillingness to use Kevin Foster as anything but a starter was really frustrating to me. I remember watching him pitch and seeing him pitch well the first time through the lineup. According to baseball reference, batters were .211/.292/.366 the first time they faced him, .269/.351/.481 the second time and .297/.357/.520 the third time. But I also notice that as a reliever he had a .343/.438/.566 slash line. Maybe he just wasn’t able to make the mental adjustment or didn’t have the ability to get warmed up in time in the pen. In his 1995 season, the difference in those stats were magnified even more .178/.254/.388 in the first plate appearance, .282/.362/.461 in the second and .279/.377/.517 in the third.
His propensity for giving up the long ball was his biggest issue. His fastball was fast, but straight at times. He led the league in homers allowed with 32 in 1995.
By 1997 he was just another league-average arm. Strikeouts were down, but homers were still an issue. By 1998 he was gone from the Cubs.
He died of renal cancer on October 11, 2008.
A surprising stat (to me) was that he was really effective at Wrigley. 19-9 with a 3.90 ERA with both of his career complete games coming there. (He was 32-30 with a 4.86 overall).
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Those are not bad numbers,
I think we would welcome a .500 starting pitcher with a 4.50 ERA this season. Not that ERA matters anymore.
Geez.
Jason Maxwell. I remember how high people were on him. Never did much of anything.
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A shame, really.
He was as nice a guy as you could hope to meet.
"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe
by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Nov 27, 2011 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Maxwell is my kids basball coach...
great guy…told me some stories.
So i you can give you can take it.
Cool!
Glad to hear that he’s doing well.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 28, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
10 runs scored....
and it only took 2:38. Miss that.
On this day in history
I came of the bench to replace Bragdon B. after he was ejected for tossing his bat after a K vs Highland Park. I went 0-3.
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Chin up guys,
I have a real good feeling about this team. Sosa has got some real power. Mark my words, he’ll challenge for Marris’ single season home run record next year. Yep, I’m not just making this up, the power is for real. I’m not guaranteeing 66 or anything, but I really think 50-60 HRs are doable for him. If he can put a little more muscle on his wiry frame and learn to just lay off that slider low and away, he’s going to be a star.
If Sosa can break out next year and we can get Kerry Wood up and into the rotation, I see this team fighting its way into the playoffs in ’98.
Playoffs?
Maybe with the expanded leagues and wild card. But there’s no way Sosa is going to hit that many home runs. I can see Griffey or McGwire challenging it though. If it weren’t for the strike in 1994, Matt Williams might have broken it.
Sosa was having his best year ever last year before his wrist was broken though. He really hasn’t been the same since.
Anyone wonder how Arizona and Tampa Bay are going to do next year? Any ideas who we might lose in the expansion draft?
by Josh Timmers on Nov 28, 2011 3:32 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...I agree...Sosa's too skinny...
…he needs to bulk up a bit if he wants to be mentioned in the same breath as a Griffey or McGwire.
"Keep looking into the past and you'll keep repeating the past" - Some Smart Guy
Yeah, right. The Marlins will win the World Series before Sosa hits 60 home runs. Dream on.
"You know they're not going to lose 162 consecutive games." -Harry Caray
The season is shot, so now's the time to call up Kerry Wood.
I know the kid needs to work on his control, but better he do it here than in Orlando. Potentially, he’s another Roger Clemens, and appears to be far more durable. I don’t care if he’s only 19 – look at what Gooden did for the Mets at that age.
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"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Props to WGN TV Crew
The best part of those games was not Mr. Castillo but his wife. If I’m not mistaken, he had a smoking hot wife and WGN showed her about every half innning when he pitched.
In draft news,
the Cubs are being linked to Jon Garland. While he’ll never be a spectacular starter probably, Some people like Lance Berkman out of Rice, but I don’t see his bat translating to the big league level. Jayson Werth is a decent kid from Illinois, should we go that way.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
I also read...
…in the sports section of today’s paper (they’ll never be able to replace the good ‘ol newspaper)……that some agent smo named Scott Bogus or Borfus or Boras…or something like that…was driving by a daycare center in Las Vegas and seen some 2 1/2 year old toddler named Bryce somethin’, swinging a wiffle ball bat and gave him a $250,000 signing bonus…a record for a 2 1/2 year old at the time.
"Keep looking into the past and you'll keep repeating the past" - Some Smart Guy
And the daycare pitcher
had a decent AA slider. And was a lefty.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
My only critiques
- Did not include the one-word sentence “Enough.”
- Needs moar Sosa. The 1-2 punch of Gracie and he in the middle of the order was one of the few bright spots in that dismal, dismal season.
Other than that, excellent job.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well, it was only May.
Still time for optimism, right?
Just wait until I get a September 1999 game in here.
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Tough to be optimistic after that start, though
Keeping your chin up, though.
And is this the last time the Cubs hit 4 triples in the same game? Or even three? Pretty sure we haven’t had that kind of team speed since.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yes.
In fact, that was the last time a Cubs team hit four triples in a game.
They have hit three triples in a game once since then, on April 24, 2002.
Four triples in a game is pretty rare, actually. It’s been done only five times by ANY team since that 1997 game. The last one was by the White Sox on August 16, 2011. Before that it hadn’t been done since 2003.
The random number generator picked a pretty interesting game, actually.
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LOVE this feature
If you could go back in a time machine, would you tell Cubs fans that some success was around the corner but not the sort of success we hoped for? Would you give them a glimmer of hope even knowing how it would all turn out?
I think I was better off not knowing anything about what was going to happen with Sammy, Kerry, Prior, et all. Ignorance is bliss.
Man, attendance kind of stunk
Maybe we need a Beanie Baby giveaway.
On a side note, just got my AOL trial floppy and went to keyword WGN. It was so cool, you could see photos from the game today, not two hours after it ended. Well, not including the five minutes it took to download the photos. Only 19 hours left on my trial account, might have to spring for that 28.8 modem!
Rumor has it that there may soon be something
faster than a dial-up connection.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
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