Question: Should we trade all of our good prospects while we have the chance?
Hello again. I am sure you are all getting sick of my stupid questions. However, I do always appreciate your input, and at the very least I have gotten over Rondell White.
Currently there is an ongoing "spat" between the Cubs and Red Sox regarding compensation for Theo Epstein. The commissioner clearly has not been able to have the two sides come to agreement. Epstein is already here, and it's not like he can really go back to the Red Sox at this point. So it comes down to: what do we have to give up?
The Cubs wanted to give money, but the Red Sox did not feel that was sufficient. They want prospects, some of our best ones. Precedent has it (and the commissioner implied that it would be enforced) that the Red Sox may get prospects, but not players who actually play on the team presently. We have no idea what eventually will be decided but clearly the Red Sox (understandably) are trying to pry away our top prospects.
So the question that arises is: should we just go on a spending spree with our prospects while we have the chance? It's not like we have all that many great prospects to begin with anyway. That way, the Red Sox will have to choose from a pool that is much less than they do now. From my last post, it is clear that pitchers reach their peak later, from age 27-32. Would it then be appropriate to empty the farm and trade for a pitcher like Jamie Shields that will be with us for the long haul?
Besides, none of these prospects are Epstein's or Hoyer's choices, and the Cubs have had a poor track record of drafting in the past. We will likely have to start new with our draft choices in replenishing the farm system. Why not trade for something of value that will be with us when we perhaps have a chance of winning, rather than have the Red Sox take those prospects anyway?
I think an offer of Brett Jackson, LaHair, and Trey McNutt, with a couple throw-ins might do it in getting Shields. He is an excellent, cost controlled pitcher. We could then use our FA money on outfielders and position players instead of pitchers. Sign players like David DeJesus for a year or two to throw someone out there while our lower prospects develop. Leave the Red Sox with little to choose from and then thumb your nose and tell them that's what they get for being jerks.
If you all think I am being really stupid, I would point towards the 2009 San Francisco Giants, a team whose position players (except for Posey) was comprised of retreads and aging veterans. With excellent pitching, anything can happen.
Thanks again for all your wisdom. I look forward to hearing some excellent arguments as to why I am wrong!
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Answer to the question posed in the title of this post
No.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 3, 2011 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
But...
what if it is decided that Boston gets our top prospects for Epstein? Then we have lost them for nothing.
Oh.
So that’s part of your rationale? I doubt Theo could trade any of those until compensation is decided.
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bud won't allow that
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 4, 2011 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
quite.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Nov 4, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The Giants had a retread line-up
along with elite SP and the best closer in the NL.
The Cubs are at least two elite SPs from having an elite rotation and have an inconsistent at best closer.
As for the idea of trading all our prospects just because they weren’t Theo/Jed’s picks… that’s just a silly idea. Theo/Jed/Jason will evaluate players individually and then decide who can/should be used for trading fodder.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
First question on this:
Where are the willing trade partners for “…all of our good prospects” at the moment?
I don't know.
I guess that would remain to be seen.
But if Boston is going to take them anyway, why not deplete them from our system, get something of value, so we at least get something back?
Jackson, LaHair and McNutt would not bring James Shields.
It took Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee and three other guys to get Matt Garza, aka “the guy Tampa was willing to trade over James Shields, who they kept and who proceeded to post a 2.82 ERA in the AL East in 2011 and who they have under contract through 2014.”
And more to the point, Boston isn’t going to get “all of our good prospects”. They probably aren’t going to get more than 1 of them.
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Not to be argumentative.
But how do you know that?
One side is asking for a lot. The other side doesn’t want to give anything. Most likely a mediator will be involved.
Sometimes in any dispute one party is granted an award that is excessive. Unless we know that won’t be the case, why put ourselves at risk of losing our top prospects without compensation?
Because we aren't going to scorch the earth in order to "prepare" for a worst-case scenario that is completely without precedent.
Because that would be silly.
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by D98 on Nov 8, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
I am sure you are all getting sick of my stupid questions
So why not try asking a non-stupid question?
by doofus cubs guy on Nov 3, 2011 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
In formulating a response to this question, I am reminded of this particular "Most Interesting Man in the World" ad
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Nov 3, 2011 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes!
Wait, I meant to say no.
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by jasperthepilot on Nov 3, 2011 9:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Your comparison with the 2010 Giants is ridiculous, embarassingly so
Even if the Rays would make that deal (doubtful) getting Shields will not bring the Cubs’ rotation up to the level of the ‘09 Giants’ rotation, not even close.
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Why did you have to tell us that it was a question?
Isn’t that the purpose of a question mark?
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Question: why do you make so much sense?
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by jasperthepilot on Nov 4, 2011 12:40 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Statement: It is because of my firm grasp of punctuation.
Interrobang: GET IT!?
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obviously you've never seen a rhetorical question mark...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Man doing
that would be a real conspiracy. I think something like that would be punishable 10-15 years in prison.

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