Cubs Sign Outfielder David DeJesus
by Al Yellon on Nov 30, 2011 11:39 AM CST
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DeJesus will be 32 years old in about three weeks. He's had some good offensive seasons, mostly with the Royals, but didn't hit very well last year with Oakland, just .240/.323/.376. It's not just the home park, either; he hit just about as well in the Mausoleum as on the road.
He is a good defensive player, though, and will be far better than another year of Tyler Colvin out there, or trying Bryan LaHair, a first baseman, as a fulltime outfielder. However, this is a bit disturbing:
Two years? I thought new management was trying to get away from deals like that for players who were past their primes. I suppose it depends on the dollar figure. Rosenthal also tweeted that the Cubs are trying to move Alfonso Soriano; if that happens, Marlon Byrd could move to LF and Brett Jackson could play CF. Or Tony Campana -- if he could learn to take a walk -- might be a part-time OF option.
I've been told that DeJesus had been a target of both Theo Epstein in Boston and Jed Hoyer in San Diego in the past, so this makes sense from that standpoint. If healthy, and if not too expensive, this is a reasonable signing.
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Reports indicating his contract is worth $10 million over two years
I don’t really mind that. While I hope Colvin can produce and pass him as the starting RF, it’s still a good move to add him to the team. A consistent outfielder with good defense – this is a rarity for the past few Cubs teams.
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Seems like a lot.
Unless they can move some of Soriano’s contract.
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I think Colvin will be dealt as well at some point.
by cozmotaylor123 on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
If they even can.
He might just be non-tendered.
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For what?
Let him sit in Iowa and see if he can do anything. If not, let him go
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
Or non-tendered.
The market for .150 hitting outfielders who swing and miss at way too many pitches isn’t going to be very large.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Fine then send him to AAA and
see if someone can remake his batting approach.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
I wonder if Colvin has been offered to the Red Sox...
…as compensation for Theo.
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I can't imagine
the Red Sox wanting him. On the other hand, it’s clear that Ben Cherington is not in charge in Boston right now and Larry Lucchino is running things, so who knows?
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
If that's all they want, go for it.
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I somehow have a feeling they would want something more than Colvin.
That deal would have been made weeks ago.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
I don't see one having anything to do with the other
A two-year deal for a 32 year old player is pretty insignificant.
by Damen Jackson on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Sure does seem like a lot. Why not just stick with Reed Johnson in a platoon?
DeJesus is just a stop gap signing anyway.
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Reed Johnson is getting old
Got hurt twice IIRC this year, not the first time this has happened. DeJesus could rebound. Johnson is on his way out
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Probably... but could still be kept as a RH reserve OF.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Absolutely
DeJesus can still start though. That’s the difference
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:02 PM CST up reply actions
Can we please stop the "everything the Cubs do is wrong" stuff?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
You're not familiar with Chicago fans
are you?
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I don't think he's familiar with the Cubs...
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We just re-signed fukudome?
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Sort of
Kosuke (career): .260/.361/.399, OPS+ 100
DeJesus (career): .284/.356/.421, OPS+ 106
DeJesus is also a better defensive OF than Kosuke, and comes at 1/3 the price we were paying Fukudome.
Good move.
by Jody Jody Davis on Nov 30, 2011 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
No.
DeJesus is better (moderately) and cheaper than Fukudome.
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Isn't that pretty much what he said?
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That was my thought
He’s essentially the same player as Fukudome.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
And DeJesus won't need a platoon/rest partner.
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Although
Lifetime OPS vs. RHP: .815
Lifetime OPS vs. LHP: .690
Fukudome career splits:
Lifetime OPS vs. RHP: .775
Lifetime OPS vs. LHP: .692
Care to rephrase that?
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Ha, I was just looking up the same stats.
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Care to be snarky?
If you’ll note, I said platoon/rest partner. One of the issues with Kosuke was that he needed regular rest to be effective. The Cubs figured the best way to do that was to platoon him, because he wasn’t as good against lefties (most left handed hitters aren’t). This is why the Cubs did things like give Xavier Nady $3.3 million. It’s also why 2010 — when Kosuke had only 429 PAs and played in only 130 games — was Kosuke’s best season.
In their careers, DeJesus has averaged 693 plate appearances a season, compared with 630 for Kosuke.
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I'm aware of the "rest" thing.
But Fukudome had 590+ PA in three of his four full MLB seasons.
That’s not really a significant difference, 693 PA vs. 630 — if it were 100 or more, sure. But 60 PA difference?
In any case, DeJesus MIGHT need a RH-batting backup. Reed Johnson would suffice, IMO.
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So 63 isn't significant, but 100 is?
Sixty-three PAs is 12-15 games.
I’m fine with bringing back Reed, FWIW.
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Maybe 100 wasn't the best example.
The “Fukudome needed rest” meme was, IMO, false.
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Well, two points:
The Cubs clearly thought that Kosuke needed rest to be effective. I know you didn’t say so explicitly, but this meme wasn’t generated by fans (or by me personally).
Kosuke DID perform better when rested. 2010 was his best year, and he played in only 130 games.
Your better counter-argument would be that DeJesus hasn’t played that much in the past two years. His high PA totals mostly stem from pre-2010.
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I would agree with that.
Two or three years ago, I’d have been real excited about getting DeJesus.
Now, I’m “meh”.
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Here's the thing:
DeJesus is signed to a pretty reasonable deal. He’s versatile, he’s left handed, and he’s only signed for 2 years.
He’s a stopgap until Theo and Jed improve the system so we don’t have to sign a Byrd/Jones/DeJesus every few years — and he’s a stopgap that comes at a lower price (number of years) than the others.
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by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 10 recs
Hi Em!
(I did my part…)
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me too :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:22 PM CST up reply actions
And HELLO CG!
How was your…erh…yer…you know…Thanksgiving food? :]
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hi jeff...did you ever have a food hangover? that's how good it was! :)
how was yours?
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
WOW!
I brined/cheeseclothed/grilled bout 45# of bird…was fantastic…Thanks. (sis hadda toss in alil “drama”…but I’ll live…)
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lol...we must have the same sister!
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
UNPOSSIBLE!!!
She’s awfully predictable however…this year, new rules apply…family or not, if she wants blood…she’s got it! :]
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I just try to ignore it all...drama actually bores me...
I’d rather listen to what the kids have to say.
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
Me too!
(just don’t have any!) Nite CG
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Green it tis...
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And there will be more room in the dugout
since we’ll no longer need a Japanese interpretor. :)
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$5mil a year
for a good defensive RF who doesn’t hit that well? Still better that ‘Dome. This team probably wont’ compete until at least 2014, so a 2 year deal fits well IMO.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
He is very consistent, starting in 2005
4.4 WAR
3.5
3.3
3.7
3.0
3.1 in 91 games
0.6 coming of a thumb injury.
In 2011 only Rami at 3.6 had as WAR as DeJesus averages. For 4.25 mill a year it is a great pickup.
I trust that they did their homework
and have confidence in DDJ’s recovery and current ability.
I think DeJesus is an example of the guys we’ll see come in this off-season. Maybe anchored around a big-name slugger?
Ok, off to pitching…
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by Hammer on Nov 30, 2011 11:42 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I don't hear anything.
I see a picture of a trophy.
by Arbusto on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The Yankees are going to in the World Series?
Cool, I guess.
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$10M for 2 yrs.
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8.5 for 2 years and a 1.5 mil buyout 3rd year
= 10 mill
the 3rd year is a 6.5 team option with a 1.5 buyout.
by Hookers or Cake on Nov 30, 2011 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
i'm interested to see the $ as well
a big difference from the previous regimes though
1) the club option for a 3rd year, options in the past were rarely given in our direction
2) an emphasis on defensive value + plate patience
3) if the $ are limited this regime wont consider it an impediment to use Dejesus as a 4th OF in year 2. The previous structure of contracts, by heavily backloading them (while appropriate financially) coupled with the organizations inability to understand a sunk cost led to poor roster management
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:43 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I hope he's more like 2009 and less 2011.
Not an awful signing, but it would have been nice to see this go toward Buehrle.
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Doesn't mean Buehrle is off the table.
Adding a poll to this post. Hang on a second.
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Mucho "meh" rules the poll as of 8pm Chicago time
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Yes
We have enough money for DeJesus and Fukudome.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
You mean Buehrle?
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Duh
I meant Buehrle. Although I would like to see Fukudome try to pitch some time.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
could have missed someone mentioning or commenting on this
but wouldn’t it be advantageous to the Cubs, in the process of acquiring Buehrle, if the OF was better defensively?…meaning DeJesus. I did hear a Sox fan say he needs decent defense behind him before he would or should go anywhere. This could be one step towards that possibility.
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 6:55 PM CST up reply actions
All they need to do is replace Soriano
Byrd, Jackson, Dejesus would be a good defensive outfield.
interesting move.
hopefulyl he has a bounce back.
DeJesus
was “worth” 10 mill last year according to fangraphs due to his good glove work. He was worth the amount the year before. So if you believe those metrics we paid half price. When you figure in the fact that he could age and decline that gives you some safety and the upside is that his bat could pick back up and you really are paying less for what you get
by CalCalender on Nov 30, 2011 11:47 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
A lot of ifs there.
I liked DeJesus a lot when he was with KC. If he recovers that form, great. At age 32, not a lock to do so.
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yep
but say he bats like he did last year. as long as the defense stays there he is worth what we pay him. Plus he can play all OF positions which is nice
by CalCalender on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Sure.
Again, it’s no sure thing. That’s my only concern.
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But it beats the 3-year deals Hendry handed out to ...
no sure things Byrd and Jones (to say nothing of MB).
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Right
Better then 3 years with a player option/buyout on the 4th
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WIth Hendry
It’d be a backloaded 2 yr deal. 1mil in 2012, 9mil in 2013.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
Bleacher nation pointed out his BABIP was extremely low last year
Unlucky? Possibly. For a contact hitter though, I have confidence that he’ll bounce back. Not like he lost a ton of power, that’s more concerning to me
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
and his LD Rate was practically the same
i think there was some bad luck in there
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed
So where do you bat him? Seems like a solid 2 hitter to me. Put Castro leadoff
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
i'd prefer
him leading off and castro hitting 2, but i’m a bigger proponent of the better hitters hitting 2, 3, 4 in a lineup
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Castro did very well hitting leadoff in 2011.
I’d say leave him there.
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Castro also has speed
DeJesus is not slow but not the SB threat that Castro is
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Castro isn't really a base stealing threat.
He’s a good baserunner, but I’m thinking the 22 he had last year is about his peak.
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Why?
He may not be a 30+ guy, but he’s got speed and is starting to really get good reads on pitchers. I could see him having a good amount of 20+ steal seasons before age 30, which I think would qualify him as a base stealing threat.
I don't.
I see him filling out as he gets older and hitting for more power, than being a base stealer.
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Since you brought it up
.327/.370/.471 hitting first (335 PA)
.335/.359/.449 hitting second (184 PA)
A little better at leadoff. I’d keep him there.
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It just depends on what's around him.
There isn’t a huge difference in those numbers, and he’s not gonna be a leadoff hitter his entire career, so he has to move at some point. I’d expect him to hit about the same no whether he hits first or second, as long as he’s not hitting third……..
I like Castro leading off
he’s our best hitter/speed guy get him as many plate appearances as possible. Then put a nice lefty DeJesus behind him, unless we sign some big Lefty to hit 3rd…
by Hookers or Cake on Nov 30, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
not to mention
In Oakland there is like 3 square miles of foul territory in play
by Lweb23 on Nov 30, 2011 1:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Al your acting like hes 40 years old. Hes a athletic (not soriano) 31 (32 soon) outfielder that got a cheap 2 year deal under the new cba. He bats left handed doesnt strike out and gets on base. Last year was his lowest BABIP in his career. Hes a typical gamer that billy beane, theo and co. would love to have any day. If the cubs become competitive next year or even as quckly as 2 years from now, David Dejesus is a viable option in playoff baseball.
And he's left handed.
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Didn't know that
Killed 2 birds with one stone. Possibly a third if Byrd is dealt
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
*Bows
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
....
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by Cubbiegoon on Nov 30, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
love this :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
So
You’re saying that a guy that hits .240/.323/.376 and plays a solid RF is worth $5 million? Really? Looking back to something someone wrote yesterday, I’d consider that to be “insane money”.
DeJesus is a 4th OF on a championship team. Obviously, this club can’t be mistaken for anything resembling that.
this was the best option available
with strong D and a decent price. Any reasonable observer would say the low BABIP % and playing in Oakland make him due for a bounceback season,even if he doesn’t quite get to the KC years of his prime. If he doesn’t, oh well. $5 million is insane money, but not for a quality major leaguer.
Maybe we can wait to moan about this until after we see what else happens.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Nov 30, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I could see a bounce back similar to Pena at age 32
His offense will bounce back right between his best season and his worse.
Worst cases scenario
Defense doesn’t decline very rapidly and he’s a solid defensive option off the bench
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
So what's the next big move?
I think the OF is settled. It’s gotta be inevitable that Soriano is gone. Our OF currently stands at Byrd/Jackson/Dejesus. I feel pretty good about that one. Put Campana as the back up.
I think Buehrle is the next big move, although it wouldn’t surprise me to see a trade for Headley or a Yu Darvish signing announced. Darvish talk has been VERY hush hush from the front office
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I don't know that it's inevitable
Soriano is going to be tough to move. He’s 10-5 too, so he can’t go anywhere he doesn’t want to go.
But I think that they’re going to have to move an outfielder or Brett Jackson has no where to go.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They can move Soriano
at least to the DL.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
This is true
Creative thinking there. Or just inevitable fatalism.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
I would think Soriano would agree to go.
He’s got to know how much the fanbase has turned on him, and it’s likely he’d go to a place where he could DH at least some of the time. It would be better for him, and he still gets paid.
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I'd think he would be interested in a fresh start somewhere else.
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He's not going to want to go somewhere else until he's been benched here on a consistent basis.
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no argument here
Assuming someone displays better production/effort, this will be an early litmus test of the Dale Sveum era.
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Qualifier
it would have to be to a team that has a chance to win.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
True.
Again, I come back to the Yankees, who might be able to DH him.
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they could keep Byrd
and make Jackson demand to be in the bigs. Maybe trade Byrd at the trade deadline?
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by SouthWabashSoul on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not, but what is his arb/FA status?
San Diego won’t have much money to play with – if he is getting expensive for their budget (a much lower number than “expensive” in Chicago), the Padres could put him on the market.
They already said they aren't interested in trading him.
But if a lot of different teams come knocking maybe they’ll change their thinking. I’m thinking next offseason may be more likely though.
Yeah, I'll believe Soriano is gone when it happens.
I think it’s more likely Byrd is moved at this point.
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Where would he fit into the current lineup?
DeJesus does not offer power that some would refer for a right fielder. With the outfield filled, we need to have a power bat at one of the corner infield spots. Because the 3b free agent market is incredibly thin, I think it is safe to say that Theo and Co. plan to actively pursue Pujols or Fielder, and that we will most likely end up signing either of them. We have two huge holes to fill with the absence of Aramis Ramirez and Carlos Pena. Soriano’s the only player who has some power – but his skills have definitely diminished.
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Gotta assume Soriano is gone at this point
I wouldn’t mind trading Byrd as well, frees up a slot for another OF out there. We’ll see
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Didn't you hear, people are kicking his tires!
by Bradsbeard on Nov 30, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Angels and Mariners inquiring
Teams are "kicking the tires" on Alfonso Soriano and the Cubs are willing to pick up a substantial chunk of the $54MM remaining on the 35-year-old left fielder’s contract. He posted a .244/.289/.469 line with 26 home runs last season and is under contract through 2014.
From MLBTR
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Does this mean what I think it means?
http://twitter.com/#!/TheCCO/statuses/141935981468200961
RT @injuryexpert Looks like Cubs have firm grasp on a Soriano deal.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Jesus don't do that to me
I may cry in happiness
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I won't, but stop calling me 'Jesus.'
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Surely you must be kidding
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not kidding
and don’t call me Shirley.
by JOVE23 on Nov 30, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A hospital...what is it?
Ok, I’m done
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
it's a place with sick people but that's not important right now
I'm going to the 2012 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp!!! Who's with me?
by VegasCubFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions
TWS...oh, nevermind.
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Wonder if this is just in response to the DeJesus deal.
As in, “the Cubs wouldn’t have signed another outfielder without having a firm grasp on a Soriano deal first.”
That's the way I read it
I agree with Will, though.
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by Brett Taylor on Nov 30, 2011 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
Mariners definitely need offense
It’s sad he could be their best hitter if Ichiro doesn’t bounce back.
Seattle???
Didn’t they learn enough with the last piece of trash we had?
I can get on board with this
Consider this: If Epstein/Hoyer are able to move Soriano, and Jackson is slotted in at CF our OF defense becomes remarkably solid. It’s a start. Now all we need is above average defense at the corners and this team may have something going.
I like this move.
It’s akin to Marlon Byrd’s contract and Jacque Jones’ contract. The difference, as DCF pointed out, is that the third year is an option. And that’s kinda huge. DeJesus (unlike both of those guys) is also a good OBP guy and (unlike Jones) he’s good defensively.
More importantly, this seems to me to be a tablesetter. The Cubs now don’t need to add another outfielder, like Cespedes, who would command a lot of money. Instead, the Cubs essentially take the money that John Grabow earned in 2011, use it for their starting rightfielder — who can play all three outfield positions — add a lefty bat to the lineup and still have a lot of money for Fielder or Pujols.
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by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 11:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
And when I said Grabow 'earned' the money ...
I use the term loosely.
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by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If they don't retain Ivan DeJesus as a coach...
… the Cubs can save money by issuing David DeJesus #11 and just re-using all of last year’s jerseys.
:-)
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by Al Yellon on Nov 30, 2011 11:49 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
I like it. It is a rough economy.
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Well
How rough can it be when guys like DeJesus are handed $10 million deals. And to think that Rick Sutcliffe once signed for 5 years at a total of around $9 million coming off a 16-1, Cy Young run….
Well
I don’t know where you get your gas from but I still pay $1.21 / gallon just like in 1984. Of course the passing of time matters….
Hard to believe but just 15 years ago I remember seeing .79/.89/.99 gas prices.
I yearn for those days now.
Damn kids.
I remember when 99 cent a gallon gas was considered outrageously expensive.
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Prices of gas was always higher in Alaska for some damn reason.
Always had to ship oil out of state to refine, then ship the gas back. Made no sense to me!!
still doesn't make any sense
whenever I start bemoaning gas prices I think it could be worse. It could be Nome.
Be it ever so expensive, there's no place like Nome...
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Life only really begins when the kids leave Nome...
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So really, you're comparing similar numbers from two different eras?
I wonder what Sutcliffe’s 16-1 run would have got him this offseason? I’m willing to bet it would be just a bit more than a $10M deal.
Yeah, and there used to be nickel beer day and players left their gloves in the field for the other team.
The A’s, who throw quarters around like they’re manhole covers, gave him 6 million last year, and offered him arbitration. 2/10 seems like a reasonable deal.
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This will make my mother very happy
Back in 1977, she thought it was hilarious that the Cubs had a player named “DeJesus”, which yes, she pronounced like it was an English name.
I’m sure she’s more enlightened now. But I always remember her coming to watch the game with me and asking about Da Jesus.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
Did you tell her that nobody ***** with Da Jesus?
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by ballhawk on Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
But what about the Jersey Sales?
Don’t you want all those Ivan DeJesus fans buying new David DeJesus jerseys?
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
so flip the numbers
no, that won’t work.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Another jersey idea
How about we get rid of Soriano so DeJesus doesn’t have to change his jersey number?
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Ugh.
$10 mil and two years for another dead bat? Sigh.
That’s a whole lot of money to pay for a defensive OF! Do we really have nobody in all of the minors who could bat .240, get 50 RBIs, and play defense?
I was a pessimist until Fisher finally got Munched!
Finally, a new direction and hope for the future!
by The Jade Scorpion on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
He's a career .280+ hitter
So there’s that…
I assume the .240 is an outlier.
by alkappy on Nov 30, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
IIRC the Mendoza line is .200, no?
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Are we not talking about DeJesus?...
Sarcasm? I’m lost
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I was just answering the question Do we really have nobody in all of the minors who could bat .240, get 50 RBIs, and play defense?
I.e. Tyler Colvin, but he failed to produce last year
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That's been the problem with the Cubs system as of late
Lot’s of guys who are still 2-4 years away. Jackson is the first. I don’t think we want James Aducci or Colvin as our starter this year.
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
And outside of Jackson
I’m not sure you could expect any OF help in 2 years (2013). Help is more like 3 to 5 years away.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Which is why ...
giving DeJesus a 2 year deal with an option makes a lot of sense.
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Agreed.
I’m fine with this deal. Worst case, he is an expensive 4th outfielder by 2013 or with his contract, he could be easy to trade. Strange to be saying that about a Cubs FA…no huge backloaded deal that can’t be moved.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
This isn't that bad of a deal.
It’s low risk because of the years and we save $5 million from last year’s payroll from the merciful departure of John Grabow.
In a way, this shows the total failure of the Hendry administration to develop position players, notably outfielders. DeJesus is another in a long line of 30-something outfielders signed by the Cubs because there were no good internal options.
Moises Alou (2002-04), Jeromy Burnitz (2005), Jacque Jones (2006-07, signed for ’08 but traded), Kosuke Fukudome (2008-11), Milton Bradley (2009, signed through 2011), Marlon Byrd (2010-present).
At least with this contract, it’s for reasonable years and dollars, brings a guy who hits left handed, draws walks and is versatile defensively. Not that all the other outfielders mentioned were bad signings, but this is the first signing where you can say all of those things.
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by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Outside of Jackson, no they don't.
Colvin hit .150 last season. Jackson may get a shot in CF depending on what happens to Byrd.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
And the thing with Jackson ...
is that he’s no sure thing. See Felix Pie, Corey Patterson and Colvin.
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I'll take defense
But Cubs NEED someone who can hit for power and average to make them compete. Losing HR’s from Ramirez and Pena could lead to a very disappointing offensive season.
That being said, we need someone who can hit for a better average than Pena this year.
by ak123 on Nov 30, 2011 11:54 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think for the right price
We could get Matt Murton back
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Re-signed with his Japanese team
by Great Odin's Raven on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
NOOOOOO!
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't have said it better myself
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didn't know
that was legal
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
I hear that DeJesus has a no-trade-clause and has a no-trade-clause for 5 other Cubs players as well.
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I'm thinking more and more
Epstein/Hoyer are going hard after Fielder. They seem to be turning around the defense with the DeJesus signing, especially if we can get rid of Soriano and i’m sure they recognize that this team is in desperate need of some serious power/run producing. This signing provides defense at a low cost and leaves plenty of money left over. I expect to see something cheap/creative at 3rd base and Fielder coming in to play 1st. If they can lure in Buerhle, this team is suddenly competive with good defense, decent pitching, and OK power. Nothing overwhelming, but seems competitive enough to eclipse 80-85 wins.
The biggest concern for me defensively is at 1B
Given ok throwing at 2B and pretty awful throwing at SS (imagine how many errors Castro would have had if Pena wasn’t there), I’d love to re-up Pena. Power, excellent defense. I’m really concerned about Fielder’s D. The offense is great but you’ve gotta have someone over there who can catch all the crap that Castro and whoever will play 3B is going to being dishing up
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
I agree completely
But i think the notion that Fielder is sub par on defense just simply isn’t true. Will he be as solid on defense as Pena was? Most likely not, but he’s very athletic and to the naked eye he looks about average. I am by no means a scout, but in the opinion of mine and several other professional analysts, he’s average on defense. UZR (which I have little faith in) says he is just below average the past 3 years. Take it for what it is, but he’s certainly no hack at 1st base. Not to the point where he’s going to hurt your team.
Certainly not a hack
But with gold glove quality defense, or just below it, Castro had IIRC 27 errors. Yes, not all were on Pena, and yes, he’s going to get better. Still concerned though
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
There is the little matter of the .215 BA
Lots of walks, sure, but the Cubs really, really need someone to drive in runs.
Castro throwing towards Fielder
Look for his throwing errors to jump. The Cubs were one of the worst defensive teams and then throw Fielder into the mix will kill them.
It's a valid concern...
…but I wouldn’t not sign Fielder for that reason. After all, the 2011 Brewers were a pretty bad defensive team (on paper, at least) and they almost went to the World Series.
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Defense doesn't win the World Series...
but it can lose it.
I still want Prince @ 1B for the Cubs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 1, 2011 5:34 PM CST up reply actions
At long last...
We are getting more left-handed.
It’s happening (no caps, in deference to the new regime).
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
oh well
Not OVERLY impressed with TheoJedi masters first move, but we’ll see what happens!
Agreed...I like this signing for his OF defense, but...
…let’s hope this isn’t THE marquee signing of the off-season. I
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Agreed but
Hendry always had to rush out and make a big early splash with players like Soriano and Bradley. He also wound up overpaying.
I expect that the new regime will be a little more diligent before spending money.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
I find this delightfully intriguing.
I don’t recall any DDJ speculation here. This marks the first of what I hope is a slew of surprising moves.
He may have peaked already, hopefully not. He’s a career .356 OBP .776 OPS guy. This seems to fit Theo’s want list, yes?
So I wonder who’s next?
I'm thinking the same thing.
Pretty cool thinking about what’s going on under the radar at Clark & Addison. Is it April yet?
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I don't think there was much speculation here...
…but I’m pretty sure MLBTR predicted this. So props to them.
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Intriguing
That’s a good way to describe it, actually. I think it’s a good signing. We’ll see where this leads.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Rosenthal tweeting more sensationalism today.
Says Cubs are actively shopping Soriano.
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Will Carroll ...
saying the Cubs have a “firm grasp” on a Soriano deal. Not sure what that even means, though.
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it means that
IT’S HAPPENING !?!?!?!?!?!?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
And it's complete with puns (rolling my eyes)
These guys don’t know any real information. They just whisper and play a twitter version of the game of telephone.
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But on the 1/100 occasion that they're actually right
“We reported it first!!!”
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
I long for the days of actual sports reporting
and sports journalists who shared insights to the game and provided ideas of their own, instead of today’s Paris Hilton-like version of Chicago beat writers: Look at me! Look at me! I’m on twitter… I said it first!
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Well and there are a few who share too much of their opinion
Phil Rodgers comes to mind.
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
His opinion doesn't count. I don't know how he writes anything when he's
on his knees all day to keep his job.
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Dexter Fowler
broke the end of the NBA lockout on Twitter. So a baseball player beat every NBA Beat Writer to the punch. Apparently he’s got some friends in the NBA.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
I follow his eyebrows on Twitter.
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They had a Black Friday Deal for him but no one showed up.
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by Mapanator on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wonder if they could package his awesome hummer in the deal
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
Which one?
If I recall, he has two, one electric blue and the other orange I think?
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Only know about the blue one
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#1 most similar batter to DeJesus is Marlon Byrd. LOL.
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by SackMan on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
OK, this looks a little better.
Dejesus 2 plus option: 4.25m in ’12 and ’13. Option 6.5m (1.5. Buyout).
So it’s really a two-year, $8.5 million deal. If he’s no good, it costs $1.5m in 2014. If he’s decent, he comes back for $6.5.
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Why the fiscal austerity, Al?
I don’t remember you reacting this way to 3 years for Byrd?
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Maybe all the $ that went out over the last couple years made me leery.
This one looks better broken down that way.
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Worst case scenario:
DeJesus is an overpaid fourth outfielder in 2013.
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no worst case is that Soriano is an overpaid fourth outfielder in 2013
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by Hammer on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
by worst case
you mean best case
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
And after overpaying Fukudome for years...
This would be nothing.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Nov 30, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Seems fairly reasonable.
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Um, that makes it a 2-year $10M commitment minumum
So it’s really a 2-year $10M deal with a $5M option for the 3rd.
True
but the payments are more spread out this way.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
In response to some player nostalgia in this thread;
I too have some favorite Cubs. Some I would rather see stay, but I am ready to embrace a brand new club.
I think we all should be ready for a very different looking team. We’ve been asking for this.
I have nostalgia for Kerry Wood
The rest can go for all I care. While I own a Soriano jersey and I like Zambrano, I don’t mind to see them leave if its for the right price.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Honestly, I think this sentiment may have played a large part in why Epstein wanted Wood back.
Keeps Epstein in a good place with the fans embracing classic Cubbie sentiment (to an extent), not to mention a decent bullpen arm.
Totally agree
I’m willing to wait and see how this all shakes out – not just for the upcoming season but over the next couple. As the saying goes, Rome wasn’t built in a day. In hungering for a big splash of a signing, we’re holding on to Hendry-type thinking. We gotta let it go…
In any successful organization I’ve been part of, it’s been rare to catch lightning in a bottle. Rather, that organization has been built “brick by brick” by someone – usually a team – who has a clear vision and a solid plan, with each move getting the organization closer to its ultimate goal.
I get the feeling that’s what’s happening here.
All that to say, patience friends, patience.
by toalster on Nov 30, 2011 12:22 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
So, Theo's first move is to add more DDs to Wrigley:)
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by SackMan on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Does that mean Gracie is coming back?
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He'd bring his drunken slump busters... no thanks!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Cubs get 2 years of DeJesus ...
for about what Cleveland is paying for one year of Grady Sizemore.
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Ah, Cleveland
Here’s the place where there used to be industry (NSFW language)
All our fish have AIDS
You are a factory of sadness! (NSFW language)
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by Musicdude10 on Nov 30, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions
At least they're not Detroit.
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In Cleveland.....
come downtown and see both of our buildings—this train’s taking jobs out of Cleveland….
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His wife
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by timh815 on Nov 30, 2011 12:15 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Who said it first? I want to make sure they get their twitter cred. LOL.
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I can confirm that...
I grew up with his wife. They live (as she did growing up) in Wheaton. Bought a house there earlier this year, prior to the deal.
by PointSpecial on Nov 30, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
That is interesting.
It’s almost like he knew the Cubs were going to sign him.
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and she was a huge RYAN Sandberg fan!!
by cozmotaylor123 on Nov 30, 2011 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
My bad, I realized that sounded harsher than I meant haha.
Awesome picture, just can’t have such an attention grabber on the screen here at the office too much…
I do whatever the picture commands
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by VegasCubFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnS_5tR-K9U&feature=related
Strong language warning.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't mess with DeJesus!
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Good low risk signing
Improving the run prevention.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Nov 30, 2011 12:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
think about if we had paid $5 mill a year for Fukudome
we’d all have been pretty happy right?
That’s what Dejesus basically is
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM CST reply actions
It would be kinda funny...
…if Billy Beane turned around and signed Kosuke for a couple of years in Oakland.
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He just might do that.
Oakland would be a pretty good fit for him.
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Yeah, I think so, too.
I’ve still yet to see a single mention of him in any Hot Stove coverage.
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I'm SHOCKED ...
that a streaky, mid-30s outfielder with no power, diminishing defensive skills and a need for regular rest that translates into a platoon situation isn’t a hotter commodity.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
'No power' is a bit strong, on second thought.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I'm not sure the regular rest thing applies anymore.
I mean, he’s played the better part of four seasons in the big leagues. He must be adjusted/acclimated by now. I thought the whole “needs regular rest” theory was based on him adjusting to the longer MLB schedule.
Then again, he played in 146 games last season (603 PAs) and Fangraphs has him at below replacement level (-0.2 WAR) and B-R has him just an eyelash above (0.2). So, to be clear, I’m not shocked that he isn’t getting more attention. Just curious as to where he might end up.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
I've heard Cleveland
was interested in bringing him back. So there’s that.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
And, setting aside the money, DeJesus didn't require a 4-year deal.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
But the market was there for Fukudome
Cubs, white sox, padres, and dodgers were all talking to him. The sox even offered more money. Sometimes the whole market over values a player.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt.
I’ve never thought that was a sterling defense — we weren’t the only wrong ones! — but you have a point.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I do remeber one reporter/writer leary of the signing
Because Fukudome was called a cross from Ichiro Susuki and Hideki Matsui – that’s a lot for 1 player.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Cubs sign David DeJesus: cool
He’s the starting RF:….
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Where to next?
I’m thinking Prince might be courted by the Theo. Last year Theo’s team consistently started 4-5 lefties/switch hitters every day. Right now, we have 1 (DeJesus) if we still have Soriano and Bryd. There won’t be any changes at 2B and SS, you won’t have a lefty at 3rd, I’m guessing Soto is staying for now.
Which leads me to my next point, that either Soriano or Bryd (wouldn’t rule out the possibility of both) will be gone by opening day. Whether it’s Pena, Fielder, or Pujols, Theo and Jed really want to hit RHP’s better.
DeJesus
270/350/400, solid D in right. I’ll take it.
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First this:
Then a jab at Hendry:
by Lweb23 on Nov 30, 2011 12:51 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
"Runs bases well" is...
…definitely a strange thing around Wrigley recently. …This is a GOOD signing.
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Bruce Miles, coward
‘Throwing bricks from a distance.’
When did Bruce Miles ever voice a negative thing about Jim Hendry when Hendry was GM? No, Miles was probably Hendry’s biggest booster.
Attack me for calling out Miles, since I know he’s Al’s buddy, but I’m not impressed with him taking shots at Hendry, a guy he rarely if ever had something negative to say about.
Coward? Or was it just kissing ass to make sure he still had access?
No holiday spirit or liquid spirits
After all Miles puffery of Hendry to take shot now is distasteful to me. Mark me as not impressed with Bruce Miles.
Well, Miles did call for Hendry to be replaced
Well before it was announced. He frequently criticized the Hendry regime’s for not valuing OBP.
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And I recall...
… Miles writing a column about how Hendry was not going to be replaced and writing about what a good GM Hendry was.
by DrCrawdad on Nov 30, 2011 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
How much time have you spent on Bruce's blog?
I seem to recall he’s had many critical things to say about the previous regime GM.
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A 32 year old RF...
with no power? I don’t like it.
What the hell does it matter if we sign Pujols or Fielder if we don’t have anyone to hit behind him? Who’s the protection right now, Soriano? Ugh.
Think beyond 2012.
While the Cubs won’t directly throw in the towel for ’12 (see: signing DeJesus instead of just calling up Lou Montanez), IMO most of the moves will be designed with a longer-term vision in mind.
To me, signing Fielder or Pujols is still worth it, even if many of the benefits (outside of ticket/jersey sales) aren’t realized for another year.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Oh, I'm fully...
in favor of signing Fielder or Pujols (preferably the former). But it will be hard to convince one of them to sign here if we have a shitty offense.
Agree to a point.
Money talks… and I’m sure both would/will be informed by Theo/Jed that more help is on the way in the near future. They know the resources will be there.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
I predict that DDJ's...
…power numbers will go up at Wrigley—-especially from July-September.
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You don't mess with DeJesus...
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by IowaCubs- on Nov 30, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
The A's Muskat
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM CST up reply actions
If he hits,
he flips
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Further...
last year, DeJesus was 20th out of 21 qualifiers in OPS amongst RFers. I like that he has a good glove, but this team needs to score more runs – especially when you consider that we just let our best run producer (and 2nd best run scorer) walk away.
But who is available for around $5 million for RF?
It is going to take a little time to rebuild this disaster. DeJesus for 2 years is a smart move. Tyler Colvin isn’t the answer.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Colvin
“has to earn his spot”
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Why are...
we limited to spending 5M on RF?
by kanderber on Nov 30, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
A better question would be
What impact free agent right fielders are available?
Like it or not, this fits with Theo and Jed’s stated criteria – better defense and base running.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Who are the better options?
Honestly? Beltran is obviously the best option, but he’ll be asking for 3/30M.
Beyond that you have… what, Cudduyer and Kubel? Who will each cost more and produce about that same?
Cuddyer...
He’s getting a bit old and is likely to be pretty expensive, unfortunately, because a guy who’s a steady performer capable of multiple positions could be useful otherwise.
So we can use more resources
on difference making offensive players (i.e., Fielder/Pujols and/or a deal) and/or the car wreck that is the starting rotation.
More resources will be available once the ball and chain contracts are dealt with or expire.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
He is if the question is "who was worse offensively than Adam Dunn last year?"
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Do we know...
Who is going to be a FA in 2014? I’d like to think that every move that Jed/Theo makes fits into a larger picture.
And by this i mean...
MLB RF free agents in 2014.
Yes, that is projectable.
But I’d like to think Szczur will be in center field by then with Brett Jackson moving to right because of his massive power surge.
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Ok...since Pena has till 12/7/11 to accept or deny arbitration...
…we won’t see any movement on the Fielder/Pujols negotiations for about a week…correct? Is there a chance Pena accepts? 50/50?
"Keep looking into the past and you'll keep repeating the past" - Some Smart Guy
Yes, there's a chance
But there is no way that what Pena does affects Fielder/Pujols. If Pena accepts arbitration and the Cubs sign one of the big first basemen, then they just trade Pena. A lot of teams would want Pena on a one year arb deal.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
I read that contracts obtained via arbitration are non-guaranteed. If true, it doesn’t matter if Pena accepts….
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Where did you read that?
That’s new to me. I think that’s true in the NHL.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM CST up reply actions
For some reason I think I read that somewhere.
If the Arb goes too high, the team could back out. I could be mistaken.
I recall that too
It seems to me someone was actually released a few years ago after winning at arb. Wish I could remember who it was …
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by Jose's Eyelid on Nov 30, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
One thing this may do
is give us room to trade Byrd for prospects while not losing any real performance on the field (and getting younger at the same time). I’m sure the focus is on moving Soriano first, but since Byrd and DeJesus have similar value, it allows us to cash Byrd in and replace him with a comparable player.
Of course, if we can move Soriano and save a couple million a year than DeJesus should be an overall upgrade. Since Szczur will probably not be up until mid year 2013, DeJesus isn’t not blocking any significant prospects. Overall, I like this move, even if it’s not going to propel us to the playoffs, it should help improve the team at the end of the day.
Good point.
Byrd and DeJesus are both basically league average players in their early 30s (OK, Marlon is 34) who field their positions reasonably well. I won’t be surprised if Byrd is traded this off-season.
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A good signing and a sure signal of moves on the way
Great bounceback candidate who gives you the flexibility to dump Byrd and / or Soriano.
by Wreckard on Nov 30, 2011 1:44 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
then you've blown ten million dollars...
which wont break the Chicago Cubs.
So i you can give you can take it.
Oh my god I bet they didn't think of that
Forget it, we’re screwed.
by Wreckard on Nov 30, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 12 recs
...says the robot to the jug of sugar water.
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Serious answer
1) Peripherals indicate he will bounce back
2) Even if he doesn’t he’s still being paid less than he was worth even last year in a down year (if you believe $WAR)
3) Worst case scenario he would be able to fill the role that Reed Johnson filled last year
by Wreckard on Nov 30, 2011 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Perception is funny
Were this a Hendry signing, he would be crushed for signing a low-impact bat whose best years are behind him. That it’s an Epstein and company signing, it’s somehow receiving more than enough seals of approval as part of the big picture. Funny how that works.
by krummy12 on Nov 30, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm getting the impression you're not happy about this deal.
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Ho hum
Really, it’s of little significance in my opinion. The Cubs are going to have a below-average run producer at a run producing position…just as they’ve had for the past few years in RF. Yes, there is cost savings and possibly an improvement in OF defense…but it’s not a needle-mover if you ask me. I do think it’s a lot of money to pay a guy that will provide limited offensive production….but I’m not overly concerned with the money side of things. They’re going to have to spend a heck of a lot more than $10 million for middling OF’s to turn this franchise around.
I feel somewhat the same, actually.
Honesty compelled me to vote “meh” in the poll. Not because I think this is a bad deal, just because I don’t think it’s all that much to get excited about.
As far as the money goes, I think that’s just the nature of the current free agent market. If 1 WAR is still valued at around $5 million, this isn’t a bad deal at all. Fangraphs has DeJesus at being worth twice that last year — mainly because of his defense and baserunning, it appears.
Interestingly, B-R wasn’t quite as kind. In fact, it rated DeJesus as a negative value on defense (-0.2) and only 0.6 WAR overall in 2011. On the bright side, B-R saw him as a 3 WAR player for the preceding five seasons, so I do think there’s good reason to believe he’ll bounce back somewhat.
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The Sabermetrics Angle - I was looking for this discussion, thanks for bringing it up
My question is when you say “If 1 WAR is still valued at around $5 million”…
Is that the accepted exchange rate for WAR to $$$ ? (I also noticed that besides stinking it up last year, DeJesus has been a 3-4 WAR guy in general.)
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While on the subject, and in trying to understand some of this sabermetrics field that rules our baseball world now.. is there an assumption that if you had a full roster of replacement level players.. that is a team with a cumulative WAR of 0.0 .. does that team figure to win 60 games? (Using the old saw that teams start each season with 60 wins and 60 losses, and fight it out over the other 40)
If that’s the case, then “the other 40” games at $5 million per WAR would come out to a $200 million payroll to buy the whole 40 WAR that get a team to 100 wins? Does that make any sense sabremetrically, or am I doing an apples-to-oranges thing here?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 30, 2011 4:34 PM CST up reply actions
The ~$5 million per WAR...
…is a figure Fangraphs established a year or so ago and that I’ve been sticking to. I don’t believe it’s changed drastically — and I encourage anyone to point out whether it has.
And I’ve read articles about what an all-replacement-level team would do and I believe its win total would be more around 40 games. Here’s one (danger: Brewers blog!) that does a good job of laying it out.
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Thanks for the link
45 wins (give or take) for the mythical replacement level team.
So it’s $275 million to ‘buy’ 100 wins, which makes some sense if you were trying to sign 25 free agents, rather than getting some salary relief from young players in their pre-arbitration years.
In fairness – when I became a baseball fan, I was told there would be some math.
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 30, 2011 4:54 PM CST up reply actions
Here's how Jeff Passan listed DeJesus on his Free Agent tracker
26. David DeJesus(notes), OF: Lost season in Oakland after a career year in Kansas City. Excellent corner outfielder, smart baserunner and ideal No. 2 hitter if any of his previous on-base mojo returns.
I bolded the qualities that Theo and company have either stated or that people know they want to improve on the Cubs. They stated in clear terms what they wanted to do and they are following through.
If this was Hendry, he would have said “we want to get more left-handed” and that’s it.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
It's not funny...it's understanding that the "big picture" Epstein and company want to paint is drastically different than the one Hendry was painting for a decade.
Artists can use the same brush strokes in different pictures….the difference being that Hendry’s still life on velvet of dog’s playing poker wasn’t good.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
Not really, but whatever.
If Hendry wrote this up there would be another four million for DeJesus and that club option would be a player option. This is simply a solid stopgap move. Nothing to throw a parade about.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Except this deal is cheap.
It isn’t back loaded. It is only 2 years. Was Aaron Miles the only recent true FA deal that Hendry only gave 2 years?
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Well, Theo and Jed have been on the job for what? Two months?
If this were year three of their regime I think the reaction would be different. It’s not THAT ridiculous to see how this plays out before the OHMYGOD OHMYGOD HE’S TURRIBLE! OUR GM IS TURRIBLE! posts begin.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
If Hendry had done this...
The third year option would be a player option and he’d have a full NTC. It’d also be for more money.
It would be crushed by people who bash Hendry no matter what he did
People that were willing to evaluate Hendry moves on a case-by-case basis woudl not have bashed this deal.
In most ways this is the opposite of many Hendry signings. If anything, it’s probably closest to the DeRosa signing or maybe the Byrd signing. Both of which worked out well.
Low cost, bought-low, defense/OBP guy, so even if he slumps at the plate/has bad luck he still will have value. Very good move in my opinion given the other options and the financial situation of the team.
by JSB on Nov 30, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If these were a Hendry signing
It would have been 3 yrs/30 million…
It’s like they both have track records or something to base this on.
It’s like Epstein and company had consistent winning seasons and won World Series.
It’s like Hendry teams were Jekyll and Hyde and couldn’t even get to the WS.
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by Tweed Thornton on Nov 30, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We've got Jesus!
bad joke… but two years for ten mil. seems like quite a lot for someone of his age and his recent stats the past couple years, but overall, it’s a nice upgrade in right considering what we have internally
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Not really.
The recent comments of offering FA’s a million or two were unrealistic. Sizemore’s deal was $5 million plus $4 million in incentives.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
So Dejesus in RF
and it seems like they’re trying hard to rid themselves of Soriano, leaving Byrd and Jackson for the other two OF spots. With Castro at SS, Barney and maybe even Lemahieu at 2B, and Soto (or Castillo if they explore a Soto trade), it looks like corner infield are the last two spots to make acquisitions. If we trade Soriano, none of the guys on the roster can be expected to hit 15+ HR in 2013 other than Soto and maybe Jackson if we’re lucky. So who is gonna hit third and fourth? I’m guessing this move could signal a strong move towards Pujols/Fielder since we’re not getting a power hitting OF. I like the emphasis on defense, baserunning, and obp, and I’d really like to see us go after a strong defensive 3B.
I suppose you wouldn't do it this same offseason with the payroll issues..
But if you actually go out and get a Pujols/Fielder to build around, don’t you have to find someone to protect him in the lineup before the start of 2013 if you’re trying to contend?
by The Deputy Mayor of Rush Street on Nov 30, 2011 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
That's my fear.
They really don’t have anyone to protect Fielder/Pujols, and that may scare them away even if we offer the best deal.
MLB Trade Rumors nails it
29. David DeJesus – Cubs. DeJesus could be an asset for the Cubs at the outfield corners on a one-year deal.
And that’s dated 10/31.
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by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 1:57 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Boom.
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by daver on Nov 30, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Boom Boom
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giterdoneTheo-n’-Jed!
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I was going to suggest platooning
Byrd and Dejesus in right, but Byrd actually hit RH pitching a lot better than LH last year.
I pretty much like the signing. If they could trade Soriano and get back 5-6 mil a year, then we are basically trading Soriano for Dejesus in the lineup without affecting payroll. Sounds good to me.
We have a major power deficit in our lineup though. Even with Fielder. If we can unload Soriano, I wonder what it would take to get Swisher.
I don't see anyone taking Soriano without the Cubs paying the entire contract.
Maybe (hopefully) I’m wrong.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Nov 30, 2011 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I really like this deal. Good role player, good value.
It seems to open a lot of possibilities for this week and next. Here are my guesses/wishes:
Trade Soriano to the AL. Try to save about 5 mil and that pays for DeJesus.
Sign Fielder/Pujols. I think this has to be done with such limited slugging/star power on the market for the next few years. We have a hole. We have the money. This is a temporary and long-term solution (at the right price).
Trade Soto for good (and I think we can get good) prospects. This idea I’m the least sure about—but I’m open to the idea of moving on to our other catching prospects (Castillo/Clevenger) and bringing Varitek in as a mentor/back-up.
Trade Marshall/Marmol for a prospect + serviceable ML SP. Hopefully, at least with a Marmol trade, this also frees up cash for my next ideas.
Sign Darvish/Cespedes. Seems like if the Cubs are actively looking at both guys, you’d think they’ll make a run at least one. With our pitching problems, Darvish seems like the more preferable of the two, but I trust the scouting regime to make the call.
I’m not sure if the Cubs have or are willing to spend on both Fielder and one of these premium foreign players, but maybe with the cash freed up from a Marmol deal, they could at least consider it. Overall, I think it’s time to trade some of the redundancies—like catcher and closer—and get some prospects and free up some money.
Good role player, good value.
But they’re not signing him to be a role player.
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The players who have been our "regular" right fielder since you know who...
2005 Jeromy Burnitz OPS .757
2006 Jacque Jones OPS .833
2007
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by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
wtf???
2007 Cliff Floyd OPS .795
2008 Dome OPS .738
2009 RAWWWR OPS .775
2010 Dome 2.0 OPS .809
David DeJesus career OPS .776
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
Memory is a funny thing.
I recall Cliff being a huge disappointment in 2007 — and he was from a power perspective. But he still had a .373 OBP in 322 PA, good for a .349 wOBA, which is much better than I would have thought. I feel a little better this morning.
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Other than Burnitz (who played seven years ago) ...
and possibly Floyd (don’t remember what he made) everybody on that list made a bunch more money than DeJesus. Even Jacque Jones got three years.
And DeJesus is probably the best defensive player in the bunch, too.
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Yes, now explain this to Al.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think Al's just snake-bit by previous Cubs signings.
He’s been OK with similar deals before, http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/1/26/1270744/xavier-nady-to-sign-with-cubs.
In that case, Nady was coming off injury and got $3.3 million guaranteed (with incentives). Al said he was fine with that move.
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I was fine with it, too.
That’s really not a lot of money and using X as a platoon option in right field or Soriano’s replacement in left if he was injured made a lot of sense at the time. Unfortunately, X was freakin’ awful.
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Felt the same way.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
As noted elsewhere
… if Jim Hendry had made this signing, I think people here would be bitching.
But since Theo & Jed are in charge, it’s all puppies and rainbows.
I’d have been much more excited about DeJesus three years ago.
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by Al Yellon on Nov 30, 2011 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Hendry had made this signing
I would have been bitching that this was necessary because he failed to develop any outfielders ever. Can’t blame Theo for that.
Overall, it’s a nice signing. Nothing incredible, but not too expensive with some upside. No complaints.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Read the Nady thread, Al.
A very similar signing, made less than two years ago, got a lot of attaboys — from you, from me, from daver, from TJ. Mostly we were worried about Nady’s health.
In other words, most of us were still willing to give Hendry the benefit of the doubt in January 2010 — even after the disastrous 2008-09 offseason. Any built-in skepticism that Hendry received after that was WELL DESERVED.
And Shoe makes an excellent point: The reason Hendry had to sign Jacque Jones, Marlon Byrd, Jeromy Burnitz et. al is that the Cubs have failed to develop position players — notably outfielders — for years. Whereas the Cardinals can plug in the random John Jay, the Cubs have to look outside of the organization.
In other words, when Hendry signed Jones or Byrd, it was his mess, and he had to work around it. In this case, Theo and Jed had to work around Hendry’s mess and still did a better job than Hendry would have (if history is any judge).
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not sure what you're looking for here Al...
you get down on us for bitching…..and now it seems you’ve decided to remind everyone that they’re not bitching like they used to, while taking the next hyperbolic step of decreeing that everyone who isn’t bitching thinks “puppies and raimbows” are going to come out of DeJesus’s wifes cleavage…or…something.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I dunno.
I’m just not as excited about this signing as everyone else seems to be.
It’ll probably work out fine. It’s just not that thrilling to me.
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I don't think anybody said it was 'thrilling.'
It’s a good, low-risk move that fills a position adequately. You figure the savings from Grabow go to DeJesus, and the Cubs can use the savings from everybody else to upgrade at positions with better options.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Nov 30, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Is anyone really excited about it, though?
I’m reading many/most of these comments as: It’s a sensible, stop-gap deal.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
by daver on Nov 30, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
His wife is thrilled.
Her nails are in Cubbie colors now!!!!!!!!!
"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe
by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
David DeJesus, RF, Chicago Cubs
Doesn’t necessarily thrill me either. But I think he’s a good player and I’m glad he’s here. I highly doubt he’ll ever be an All-Star, but that’s okay. Small picture, it was a fine signing.
Big picture, however, I AM thrilled. The new regime values defense and OBP! The new regime signed someone to reasonable dollars and years! The new regime has a club option! So many of things I incessantly bashed Jim Hendry for are no longer occurring. I felt the same thing about the Shark having his option declined and re-signed for less money. Most people didn’t even notice, and it wasn’t of great significance on it’s own, but what it said about the new regime was HUGE. That would have NEVER happened if Hendry was still in charge.
David DeJesus isn’t a thrilling signing, but the way the new regime is operating certainly is. Welcome aboard, David. And feel free to bring your wife to the games, too.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Nov 30, 2011 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
one of the best comments I've read, shoe.
Oh and I have to say, I’m glad we girls get to see David play in every game, in a Cubs uniform and hopefully doing some awesome things for our team….yum!
:P
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'd like to...
…Rec this one 3X. OBP and defense. Awesome.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
Yes...why?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
"puppies and raimbows" are going to come out of DeJesus’s wifes cleavage
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 30, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
GITERDUNNSWL!!!!!!1
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
done
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 16 recs
my appreciation for puppies and rainbows has increased tenfold
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 30, 2011 5:24 PM CST up reply actions
Man I wish I was good at baseball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Nov 30, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Co-Ed star SS will have to be enough.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 5:32 PM CST up reply actions
Man I wish I was that first white puppy... :]
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
Those puppies sure look perky.
So do the dogs.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
by timh815 on Nov 30, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
tell her to take a decade off from the tanning salon
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
"Kibbles and bits, kibbles and bits. Gotta get me some kibbles and tits..."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Interesting but I am NOT stalking THOSE
Doggies.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Funny thing:
Not his wife.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 1, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions
So David is just rolling in it?
I should have become a major league ball player…
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
That. Is. Beautiful.
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Probably so.
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if this works.
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I've been playing Dungeons and Dragons since the early 80's
And I’d be happy with $1 million per year.
Early 80's?
Noob. :P
(kidding)
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Nov 30, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
I was 8 years old at the time...
Gimme a break. :)
I'm glad somebody responded to that.
That contract is perfect for a role player and that’s exactly what he’s going to do for the Cubs.
I’m thinking he’s the next Mark DeRosa.
It might just be that they have a “De” prefix as well as bangin’ hot wives, though.
Every player is a role player.
As in, each player is asked to perform, or excel at, certain baseball tasks. For instance, Soto’s roles would be power, on base and solid defense, not speed or masterful game calling.
This is something McJedstein has stressed: understand what your needs are and which needs each of your players can fill.
"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe
by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Nov 30, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
the hallmark of any successful team, not only in sports.....
understand what your needs are and which needs each of your players can fill.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Nov 30, 2011 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I'm positive my boy Colvin will have something to say about this.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Nov 30, 2011 2:43 PM CST reply actions
yeah, he will: sorry Mr. DeJesus, I forgot my bag in your locker.
So i you can give you can take it.
That's so cruel....it's not nice to make these pointed jabs @ Tyler Colvin.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Nov 30, 2011 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
KimDeJesus12 Kimberly DeJesus
@
@chicagoJ3 Haha!!! I knew that! Sorry y’all! RYNE!!!!! He was my childhood crush!!!
theo crushed that crush
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 30, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Huh?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Jibe directed at all those that were pissed that Colvin didn't get enough ABs in 2010 b/c he was the "future"
Those who said Colvin’s putrid minor league numbers would eventually be borne out at the MLB level were routinely shouted down.
I was confused by the inconclusion of Chad Tracy.
I was among those who wanted to see Colvin get more at-bats. Looking back, I don’t take issue with that — I wanted to see what the guy was capable of, and it’s not like Colvin’s playing time kept the Cubs from the postseason.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Wow.
The inclusion.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Actually, given what Chad Tracy turned into, "inconclusion" is probably a better word.
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Well, if you're going to be fair
There were people who thought that given what we had, there was no reason to not be giving Tracy more at-bats.
I wouldn’t call those “fans” I was certainly in the “why is he getting one at-bat a week?” camp.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 30, 2011 7:56 PM CST up reply actions
Much like Nady...
…Tracy appeared to offer the Cubs a good platoon/role player option with some pop. Didn’t really work out either.
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I love this.
He was nothing but class here in KC, probably the most popular player, is a leader, and does everything well. Total Moneyball signing, I love it.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Excellent defensive player and except for last year
has averaged a +3 WAR per season almost his entire career. Cannot say that about Colvin or Fukudome. Good start.
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Just a piece in a puzzle that gives Ep/Hoyer manuverability
He fits the model, better defense, better fundamentals, base running, OBP and covers a tough defensive position. Offensively he could platoon with a RH bat who could RF.
This allows the Cubs to move Soriano, even if they pay 75% of the remaining $54M or $40M, which means the Cubs still save on last year. Cubs could move Byrd to LF and play Jackson in CF and see if Vitters can play LF by mid season and suddenly the OF is turned over and is much more athletic.
Now I bet 3B is covered.
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
Maybe the Cubs could bring back Reed Johnson...
And he could spell for DeJesus against some lefties.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 30, 2011 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
No more Byrd, Please....Pretty Please? With Sugar on Top?
Guys, hitting is not about muscle. It's simple physics. Calculate the velocity, v, in relation to the trajectory, t, in which g, gravity, of course remains a constant.... It's not complicated. - George Costanza
Some stats on DeJesus
He’s never played against the Cubs or at Wrigley Field in his career, but check out these numbers against the NL Central:
at Great American Ballpark: .429, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 6 walks in 21 at-bats, .556 OBP
at Minute Maid Park: .316, 0 HRs, 1 RBI, 4 walks in 19 at-bats, .458 OBP
at Miller Park: .417, 0 HRs, 3 RBIs, 3 walks in 12 at-bats, .533 OBP
at PNC Park: .083, 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 0 walks in 12 at-bats (only 1 hit-a HR), .083 OBP
at Busch Stadium: .385, 1 HR, 5 RBIs, 1 walk in 52 at-bats, .429 OBP
His best month hitting in his career is June with a .313 average, 12 HRs, 91 RBIs, and .390 OBP
He also has an average of .400 in October with 8 hits in 20 at-bats in 4 games.
In day games his average is .281 with 17 HRs, 127 RBIs and an OBP of .353
In night games his average is .285 with 54 HRs, 309 RBIS and an OBP of .357
However, he’s played in 319 day games and 688 night games in his career.
All in all, I think he’s a good signing although I agree that I would have signed him to a one-year contract. But I think Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein know what they’re doing and that DeJesus will be good in 2012.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 30, 2011 6:59 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
So we leave him behind when they go to Pittsburgh
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Dec 1, 2011 12:18 AM CST up reply actions
Who goofed? Hoyer or Levine?
Bruce Levine’s original report about DeJesus:
“He’s a player who’s very versatile. We can work him in a lot of different spots in the lineup,” Hoyer said. “Our priority was to get more balance in our lineup from the left side, and David being a switch-hitter helps us in that area.”
The report was changed after several post in the comment section.
Wasn't Hoyer and Theo swooning over him for a couple years?
If so, I believe it’s an error on Levine’s side.
agreed. Makes much more sense than
the other possibility
There are no facts, only interpretations.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Lets Go Theo!!! 10/13/2011
I don't know how David Dejesus will play, but his wife should be entertaining
Here twitter account
I CHERISH my sexy Husband, my Spidey, Family and Girlfriends! I live in high heels. I’m inspired by fashion and art. I trust in God! Baseball is a blessing!
Lol I’m already at the nail salon painting my nails cubs colors!!! The best colors in baseball!!!!!
And who was her favorite Cubs?
Haha!!! I knew that! Sorry y’all! RYNE!!!!! He was my childhood crush!!!
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How ackward would that have been if Ryno was our manager?
by Nunyabidness on Nov 30, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
It goes to show you
Ryno, was never meant to be.
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think the dress is in an Iowa sports museum
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Nov 30, 2011 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
obviously david dejesus is the father of spiderman
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 30, 2011 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Or maybe he owns a Spiderman costume...
…and that’s how they keep their marriage “fresh.”
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This is a great deal
They bought a commodity at a price level lower than his actual value. That by itself is a good move regardless of context. They are paying him to be a 1 WAR player. It’s pretty likely he is going to be better than a 1 WAR player. At worst, he ends up sucking, the team eats the low cost, they promote Jackson, and DeJesus becomes Soriano’s defensive replacement. At best, he exceeds his contract.
by mokena on Nov 30, 2011 9:25 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
and hes a movable asset
if he does well and the cubs are out of the playoffs race, then we could trade him off for a prospect.
....and the Cubs are out of the playoffs.....
David DeJesus isn’t going to make the Cubs contenders
by DavidArthurKingman on Dec 1, 2011 8:04 AM CST reply actions
....and did you actually expect them to make the playoffs in 2012.....
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Pfft.
You think the Cubs won’t make any other offseason moves?
I’m not saying they’ll make the playoffs, but to discount them on Dec. 1 because this is the ONLY move they’ve made is ridiculous.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
news flash for you
there is not a player dead or alive who could make the 2012 Cubs contenders all by himself
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 2, 2011 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
DeJesus has the abilities to be a very good player
so the question is does he have anything left in the tank.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
step one
in theo’s game plan.be interesting to see how the winter meetings go.i know dejesus is not an exciting addition but maybe these are the type of players we need to change the culture around here.
DeJesus can be a productive addition
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 3, 2011 9:39 AM CST up reply actions
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