Some Mike Maddux News
by Al Yellon on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 PM CST
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PrintSeveral tweets, one after another, came out Monday afternoon regarding the possibility of Mike Maddux becoming Cubs manager. To sum up, he's withdrawn from consideration in Boston, and it's summed up pretty well by Rangers beat writer T.R. Sullivan:
Rangers pitching coach Mike Maddux confirmed Monday that he has withdrawn his name from consideration for the Red Sox manager’s job.
He has not done the same with the Cubs. He is still scheduled to interview with them but said he wants to talk it over with his family on Monday night.
Which pretty much confirms what you see here:
This is totally understandable. While I'd love to have Mike Maddux as Cubs manager, if it's not the right fit for his family, he should stay where he is. On the other hand, if his family is OK with it, I hope Theo and Jed will hire him.
As always, we await further developments.
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You see this all the time in college head coaching searches
Most likely it means that Maddux was told, or had it strongly hinted to him that he wasn’t going to get the Redsox job. In order to save face he is basically floating out the insinuation that he wasn’t that interested in the job in the first place.
The fact that he hasn’t canceled his interview with the Cubs is …IMO…the telling thing here. If he was truly completely uninterested in managing, he would have removed himself from consideration altogether.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 7, 2011 3:40 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
To me, he is the Cubs guy
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
If this is him trying to save face, I don't see why it was necessary for him to do so.
Just sack up and accept you’re not the guy.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
well, for one thing, it allows you to stay an attractive commodity in the future.
Maddux interviewing with the Cubs and the Redsox was front page news. If BOTH teams say thanks but no thanks, he could think that somehow tarnishes his “brand.”
There has been quite a bit of discussion as to how not knowing why Mackinon (sp? Phillies Bench Coach) has not been given a managing job despite his being around baseball for so long. Maddux might be afraid he’ll become someone like that eventually.
Bud Black
withdrew his name from consideration from the Red Sox job when he was up for the job with Terry Francona. Had nothing to do with him not getting the job and everything to do with him not wanting to move. In fact, he turned down several managerial chances before he was offered one in San Diego that did not require him to move.
We won’t know what Maddux’s thinking is for a while. He may withdraw from the Cubs job in the next few days. Or he may not.
Given how the organization has conducted itself the last few months
could you blame Maddux for NOT wanting to be considered for the Red Sox position? He has a job he’s comfortable with now, and an interview with a Cubs organization that appears to have outclassed the Red Sox by a mile so far this offseason.
And that could be another side to it. It's possible that Maddux was told "STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THAT MESS"
In regards to Boston. Not wanting to actively embarass that organization, he fell on the sword.
That’s certainly a possibility
arent you excited that you could type " STAY THE HELL AWAY...."
and it not refer to the Chicago Cubs….
So i you can give you can take it.
If we don't get Maddux, it'll be tough to lose out on getting him...
but I totally understand if Mike wants to stay in Texas with his family.
Does anyone still think that the Cubs could pursue Francona?
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 7, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions
Very likely
But, it really could be that after further thought, Boston just didn’t make sense for him. Maybe he knew that all along, but didn’t want to say no to Boston right out of the shoot.
I do think your reading of the situation is more likely though.
by jerry morales rules on Nov 7, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting....
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Sounds like he wants to know
that his family would support his decision to take the Cubs job before he interviews. At least that way he’s not wasting anybody’s time should the Cubs decide to make an offer. Here’s hoping his family gives him the green light tonight.
Yes, Dear
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
you guys sound like Bob Brenly reporting on this
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Yes dear
you’re right, I’m sorry.
by Josh Timmers on Nov 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
if you are even trying you ahead of many guys LOL
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
It maybe that a manager is going to work a lot longer hours than a pitching coach
or I expect he will. I know he has two daughters and I believe they are a bit younger than Greg’s kids. What would be interesting to know is if they live in Texas year round. Greg Maddux and his wife raised their kids in Vegas once they became of school age and they would come live with him during the summer. I suspect Mike does the same. He lives close to Greg and I know they golf regularly. It may be that changed in the last year.
One odd tidbit in favor of the Cubs besides the obvious. When Maddux was down to Cubs
and San Francisco in 04 , I heard afterwords that he leaned towards SF but that his wife Kathy preferred Chicago. In any event both Greg and Kathy Maddux have always said very nice things about Chicago.
Mike is sort of at a crossroads though. If he decides not to interview with the Cubs for family reasons it likely means he will be a pitching coach for the foreseeable future but it is possible that is what he wants.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
OOps I need to read better.
Did not realize the family was living in Texas. Heck he might see more of Greg if he managed in Chicago now that they don’t live so close.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
I don't blame you
I know how it sounds. It is just that you get a lot of strange stuff googling. I got a lot of grief here for admitting I accidently stumbled on Sam Fuld’s wedding gift registry.
I realize this leaves me open for a lot of silly stuff but I have great admiration for Greg Maddux on and off the field but would be terrified to ever meet him in person and will keep my “fantasies” to cute actors usually with British accents. It is possible for someone to be very interested in someone for their skills and have no desire to meet them.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
One of these days
I am going to try to arrange to get Jessica and Greg Maddux to meet.
Photos will be taken as proof.
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My eyes will fall out after seeing said photos.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 7, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
For the record I don't even let my mother take photos of me
I just hate it.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
You are a...
very interesting person.
by kanderber on Nov 8, 2011 7:22 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
This thread is very entertaining
"Hey Hey, Holy mackerel, no doubt about it,!"
by scottsdalecubs on Nov 8, 2011 7:01 PM CST up reply actions
strictly ego
don ’t like photos of me
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Why do people think it's ok to mock Jessica with regularity?
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by Shanghai Badger on Nov 9, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions
Is she really mocked more than anyone else?
When she says weird crap she’s mocked. I’m not sure that’s different from anyone else.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 14, 2011 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Gift registry
That puts it over the top of creepy.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
It was an accident.
I was just googling stuff. I admit Al did have a priceless response when I first posted this years ago. However you do find really weird stuff on the web. I found I had credits in movies I did not even know about.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
There is more family than that though.
Unless his parents are no longer around, I’d assume that they are in Vegas as with other family members. It’s pretty easy to get from Dallas to Vegas and other places in the southwest.
by jerry morales rules on Nov 7, 2011 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
Both of his parents are around
It appears this was the first year Mike had lived in Texas rather than Vegas in the off season at least. It does clearly sound like more is going on though.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 9:28 PM CST up reply actions
When does Greg have to renew the restraining order??
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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
by Hammer on Nov 7, 2011 3:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey I just spent a week in Vegas and never went within 10 miles of him.
A mutual Maddux fanatic once sent me a google earth view of the area.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I was in Vegas too for a night
stayed at the Paris hotel. Great view of the Bellagio
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Um I was at TERRIBLE'S CASINO
A funky rundown place for locals.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
i was also at the Paris about two weeks ago
Nice casino but the rooms weren’t very nice.
by LT on Nov 7, 2011 6:17 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah I have stayed there years ago
It was like in Vegas Vacation where they went to that weird casino to gamble. Great scene.
I was there for a bowling tournament. Don’t make fun we won money.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Really??
We got a great deal and had two queen beds. It was a real step up from the Viva Wyndham we stayed at in the Bahamas. Last time Ill ever go to the Bahamas – so overrated.
We stayed at the Paris for one night had dinner at the Eiffel Tower. Then drove home the next morning. Awesome food. Pricey.
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry
Yeah we had a great deal too
But most of the rooms nearby are much nice but pricier. We also had dinner at the ET. Very good but pricey like you said. Watched a lot of sports in the sports book that weekend…. World Series, College Football and NFL. Good time of the year to be there.
by LT on Nov 7, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
Only $33 a night at TERRIBLES
Fine with me. I don’t need the glitz.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Her personal
Maddux-tracker said so.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
that was supposed to say
Her personal Maddux-tracker said so.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
What I find strange is that you are so incredibly obsessed
and flown around the country to see him pitch… but haven’t met him.
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
Not strange at all
I love to watch the guy pitch and hopefully some day coach or manage. I don’t have to meet him to appreciate him as one the great players of his generation.
FYI I flew to San Francisco to see him win #300, I never followed him around. A 300th win is special ( though I did not have as much fun being there for Glavine’s which happened during one of my Cub home stands.
Again i get that I leave myself open for some ribbing, but my interest in Maddux is not personal as in wanting to hang out with him.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
that's what I find strange
but you know all about his personal life. If it wasn’t personal why do you care about when someone’s kid can get their drivers license in Nevada?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:55 PM CST up reply actions
I only care about the drivers license because Maddux claimed that
was when he would consider working full time in baseball. I have absolutely no interest in when or where his kids drive.
All I know about his “personal life” is in published articles and it is not that personal. Maddux has always been very clear do keep a wall between on and off field life and unless it impacts on his playing or working in baseball it is not something you are going to hear about beyond he really likes to golf.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather not think of her
as either of those Annies. Ew.
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…I think Doggie will turn into this Annie. :-)
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Works for me
Sweetheart
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
You HAVE to come to the convention.
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Those expenses add up
First airfare and the convention ticket and now I would have to take sharpshooting lessons.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
LMAO
This is why I can’t go to the Red Sox games in June, even though I want to. Also, the chances are I might be out of the country at that time.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
China, by any chance?
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 8, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
No comment.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 8, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm if his sitting near the new head of ticket
sales I might try that ( Frank Maloney was too nice and I never would have tried to hit him)
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Use this. You don't have to aim at all.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
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I don't want to take out Theo, Jed & Jason
Frankly a little buckshot at Crane’s ass sounds about right.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
But as a holy hand grenade, it only affects the evil
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid. I'm a Sheeple and proud of it!
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But no ballparks
Had a problem with particularly terrible rabbits. Rally squirrel wasn’ evil, he just backed the wrong team…
by ddoubleheader on Nov 9, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
But what are Mike Maddux's kids' names?
If they’re Moon Unit and Dweezil, you have a point.
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I know I should not post this given the discussion above
but honest I just looked it up yesterday. In fact I was just looking at his bio on the Rangers web site. So the answer is
Makayla and Lexie.
I am now going out to REALLY stalk DOGGIES!. Just hit on two golden doogles ( very popular)
and 3 assorted terriers on the way to my coffee hang out.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
sorry golden doodles
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
egg drop noodles?
There are no facts, only interpretations.
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by ballhawk on Nov 8, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Golden DOODLE
A typo. Strange enough as it is.
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by Doggie Stalker on Nov 8, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
or computer screen friendly Typex
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You just hate dogs
You might like golden doodles , they don’t shed. They are meant to take the best qualities of both breeds to get sweet and smart dog, however if it goes wrong you get a mean dumb dog. All the ones I have met are sweet. Very trendy in NYC now.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, if you like dogs, good for you.
I just don’t.
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judging from the past two days, it doesn't look like you like people, either.
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I have a golden doodle...
And he’s sweet to the point of being obnoxious. He absolutely NEEDS to say hello to every. single. person. He has so much energy it’s insane. Love him to pieces, but his energy level is a 11 and I need it at about a 4…
I would love him off your hands for a few hours
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 PM CST up reply actions
You think I can find a Shiba mix that doesn't shed?
I adore my quirky little dog. I could stuff a quasi down filled coat in June.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Tell you what - when it's time to make the "Mike Maddux Story" movie, something tells me Sam Elliott will have a role in it.
or maybe after he’s done with coaching, Mike Maddux will have a role in the “Sam Elliott Story”
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Oops...I meant "Roadhouse, is it Ballhawk?"
/struggles to get shoemile off his mind…strangest obsession…hope shoe doesn’t notice…/
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Yep - one of those bad movies that you just love to watch over and over and over....
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
It would be surprising to see family cited as the reason
for withdrawing from Boston, but then not used as the reason for passing on Chicago. Slightly less distance I suppose, and maybe his family would be more open to a relocation to Chicago. You never really know for sure when it comes to the family part of these decisions.
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It's probably because Boston has spring training in Florida
Yeah – I went there…. :-)
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Well
… the Rangers do train in Arizona. So he’s at least familiar with that.
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Maybe he wants to protect his kids
from developing a chowder (chowda)-thick accent up in Boston as opposed to Chicago where in most parts, there isn’t a discernable accent, lest you go where it’s “Da Bears” and “Da Bulls”. Down at the other end, the h is silent (Sout’side).
by ddoubleheader on Nov 9, 2011 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Completely off-topic...
Epic facial hair on Maddux. All Chicago Championship head coaches since 1985 have had epic facial hair. Ditka, Phil, Ozzie, and Q. Not having epic facial hair as a head coach in Chicago probably means not having a championship. Hire this man NAO ;-D
It means
when he gets into an on-the-field brawl, he has such a mighty ‘stache, he lets it do the fighting for him, kind of like Medusa’s hair or that Japanese legend of the lady with prehensile hair.
by ddoubleheader on Nov 9, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
I was going to post the same thing.
Looks like Frank Zappa is a manager candidate for the Cubs.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
I really like Pete Mackanin
I like everything about him, if no Maddux I have to believe he is the front runner.
Why would he be better than...
… say, Sveum or Dave Martinez?
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Dave Martinez has never managed
at any level. That’s a big no-no for me.
I was just more impressed with the job Mackinin did with the Reds than what Sveum did with the Brewers. Of course, Sveum was only manager for 12 games and a playoff series, so it’s harder to get a read on him. But if Theo and Jed think that Sveum would do a better job, I’d trust them on that.
Based on what I've seen about Sveum and Mackanin, I prefer them over Martinez
I actually would be in favor of Mackanin being hired if not for his age. While I favor Maddux for reasons similar to those given by Al, I wouldn’t really mind any of the candidates.
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 7, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
so is Sveum doing his mock press conference today?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:51 PM CST up reply actions
Does it have something to do with the possibility of Mackanin bringing Ryno along as a bench coach?
Not sure if I heard that on the Score or here. I honestly don’t believe Ryno would accept it/Mackanin would do it, but I’ve heard some support for it.
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 7, 2011 4:30 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think Sandberg will come with Mackinin
Too distracting. More likely, Sandberg will take Mackinin’s job as the bench coach in Philly.
I think it's foolish to think Ryno would come here as any type of coach
It would be uncomfy for him and the manager b/c everytime the manager did anything at all wrong… it would be how Ryno should be manager instead of coach
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
Apart from bench coach
Is there any other position Sandberg could take before being named manager?
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 7, 2011 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Just in general.
Even when Sandberg was in the running, I wasn’t sure if I wanted him as manager or not.
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 7, 2011 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Even if Ryno is not a coach on the Cubs in 2012, the fans will say that it should have been Ryno if the Cubs have a bad start.
It’s silly to me to not consider hiring Ryno as a coach because “everytime the manager did anything at all wrong it would be how Ryno should be manager instead of coach.” Sandberg’s not going to get the manager’s job and most of us have accepted that. Most likely he won’t wind up as a coach on the Cubs next year, but if the opportunity came along, why wouldn’t they offer it to him? If he turns it down, so be it. I wouldn’t offer him a job as bench coach, but why not third base or first base coach?
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 7, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
I would imagine
the Cubs manager will talk to Ryno about a position. He will take the gig, I suppose, that looks best to him long-term. Phillies bench coach comes to mind.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
If Mackanin leaves Philly, then Sandberg most likely will become their bench coach.
The question is, if the Phillies get off to a bad start next year, will there be cries of “Fire Charlie! Hire Ryno!” in Philly? Phillies fans hated Charlie Manuel when he was hired and the media would refer to him as “Uncle Charlie.” He’s got respect now, but fans and the media are fickle. All you got to do is look at what happened to Terry Francona. All he did was guide the Red Sox to two World Series championships and now he’s a pariah in Boston.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 7, 2011 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
The question is, if the Phillies get off to a bad start next year, will there be cries of "Fire Charlie! Hire Ryno!" in Philly?
completely different situations. sandberg isn’t a phillies icon and wasn’t considered to be manager two years in a row
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 7, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions
Philly fans? Fickle?
It’s not like they ever pelted Santa with snowballs.
What? They did?
OK, then. They are a bit fickle, then.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
I think booing the Hockey Against Cancer
video tops that.
“If Sidney Crosby is against Cancer, then dammit, we’re for it!”
being fickle
Is not the same as being a douche.
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My worst experience ever at a sporting event was in Philly
So bad that I took off my Cubs gear and took a cab to the airport instead of the train.
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Then there's what one of 'em did to that little girl
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by ddoubleheader on Nov 9, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I don't understand
why it’s so vital for some people that Ryno be in some sort of coaching position with the Cubs.
It’s untenable. Perhaps most people on BCB have come to terms with him not being manager, but I don’t think fans in general have. Every time something goes wrong, people would be yelling for Ryno to take over. Whoever is manager would have to be looking over his shoulder constantly. That’s no way to manage, and it’s uncomfortable for everybody.
You can make an argument that fans who so rabidly wanted Ryno to manage the Cubs have killed any chance he might have had for a Cubs job other than manager.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 8, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with this
Including the last sentence. The media scrum around Ryno has, imho, raised expectations to an unrealistic and as NBF said, untenable, level. It would have been best to hire Ryno before Theo, had anyone wanted Ryno to manage here. This way, expectations begin low, the honeymoon phase passes and Ryno establishes himself in the Manager position – then Theo would have been able to come in and “grow” the organization with Ryno.
This all assumes many many things, including whether or not Theo and Ryno would be compatible.
My point is, the circumstances are too hot and nobody, himself included, wants Ryno to get burned.
You would not hire the manager before the GM.
Think of this, if they hire Ryno now and they do not see any success for a few years, how long until the faithful turn on him? By not hiring him now, you let him gain experience with someone else. If whoever you hire is successful, great! If they are not successful, you have your goat and can still hire Ryno when hopefully they would be turning the corner.
Again, though,
why is it so imperative the Cubs have to hire him? Can’t he just become whatever it is he wants to become and not have the Cubs involved with it at all?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Nov 8, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's what I thought
It’s been often said here by Al, you, and others that if Ryno were named bench coach, within a few games of a losing streak, people would be calling for him to take over as manager.
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by Azul Cachorro on Nov 7, 2011 4:45 PM CST up reply actions
And the same thing will happen in 2012 if Ryno is not a coach on the Cubs...
It happened this year with Quade as manager and Ryno not even being a coach on the team. How many times did we hear “Hendry should have picked Sandberg”? Ryno’s in a “damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t” predicament. He doesn’t have enough managerial or coaching experience at the major league level yet he’s not being given an opportunity to gain that experience. I don’t understand why a guy who is a “coach” at the big league level is more qualified to be a manager than some guy who has actually managed for five years in the minor leagues and has been successful. No disrespect to Theo and Jed because I believe they have a plan in mind, but I wish they would explain this logic because it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
by jeffmills1972 on Nov 7, 2011 6:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'd bet it goes beyond simply not having enough experience.
There are a limited amount of people Theo and Jed want to interview. Perhaps they think Ryno is a decent candidate, but they know that there are four or five people they would prefer, so what’s the point in interviewing him (Knowing Theo interviewed him last year for the Pawtucket job, so he obviously knows a bit about his qualifications). It’s entirely possible that Theo and Jed aren’t enamored with Ryno as a manager for reasons other than his lack of experience. If one of those reasons (hypothetically) is, say, the way he deals with his pitching staff, then it does no one any good to say that to the media. What Theo and Jed did was give a reason why they wouldn’t be hiring Ryno while not criticizing his job performance. I thought it was well executed.
As far as not having major league coaching experience, well, the Cubs aren’t the only club who have coaching jobs available. Ryno should try and hook up with one of the other 29 teams.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Won't one talk to your family before you make any announcement?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
Maddux's quote to Gammons means nothing...
All it means is if he has a nice job in Texas to fall back on should he not have interest in the Cubs job. Assuming he’s offered the job, of course. I think the last thing Theo/Jed want is to offer someone the job only to have him turn it down. Having said that, they probably wouldn’t offer Maddux the job if he isn’t 1,000% on board, with family support, etc…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
how about an updated poll?
Listing Mike M as one of the choices
Yeah, I probably should.
Maybe after we’re sure who’s being interviewed. So far, all we know for sure are Mackanin, Sveum and Maddux.
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Right now those are the only confirmed names
and the Cubs have not asked permission to speak to anyone else. I think we might except that either it is someone on this list or Francona. I don’t see another round. Everyone else is basically a rumor.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Just looked out my window and noticed the lights are on at Wrigley
No white smoke yet though… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
LOL!!! I
love the comparison!!!
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From what I've read...
Mackanin probably didn’t interview too well. If Maddux pulls out, then we’re down to Sveum as the only other candidate confirmed to have an interview, right?
where did you read that?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 7:07 PM CST up reply actions
Just putting the pieces together.
He sounded really sloppy on the radio, and he said something along the lines of “I’m open to it” when asked about advanced stats. I get the feeling that Theo and Co want someone who’s a bit more knowledgeable on stats than that, and just in general more polished.
Mackanin
Ditto what Madison Cub Fan asked… I certainly haven’t read anything that intimated that Mackanin had a bad interview.
Also, as of this afternoon, nothing had been scheduled, but the Cubs are said to have interest in talking to Sandy Alomar Jr.
Interesting
I’m starting to wonder if the whole family excuse indeed was a smokescreen as far as him pulling out of consideration in Boston and if he may be the frontrunner in Chicago.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Nov 7, 2011 7:16 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I really doubt he can be a front runner before he even interviews
However it would be interesting if he nixed the Boston interview for “family” reasons but does one in Chicago.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Fair point
Although I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that Theo and Jed did a great deal of research and talked to many people in the industry about the potential candidates before these interviews began, and based on that they could have gone into the interviews with a higher opinion of one candidate than the others.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Nov 8, 2011 7:31 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Is Sullivan trying to be an actual sports reporter?
I didn’t feel dumber from reading that article
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 7, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I'm still intrigued by Sandy A. Jr.
Catchers people, catchers.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
by mrcubsfan on Nov 7, 2011 7:49 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Doesn't sound right
Seems like something went off track with plans to interview in Boston. I don’t believe the “family” excuse as it stands. Maybe it has something to do with the Red Sox hiring plans or being in the same league as the Rangers. If the “family” story is true, it makes it look like he didn’t go over this with his family before scheduling interviews.
Assessing the interviews
Mackanin – this one just felt like a waste of time to me. Dull.
Sveum. I’m yawning from these quotes too.
I’m sorry, but I think these interviews reveal a lot about a guy. You can read a guy’s intelligence and confidence from these quotes. You can tell if a guy is commanding a room. And in my opinion, a Cubs manager has got to have a sense of humor without being a hothead. I haven’t heard what I need to hear yet.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Nov 7, 2011 9:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Try this article
I don’t know what people are expecting though. A lot of the best managers are pretty dull.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm expecting
I don’t expect to be entertained, I expect to be impressed. I find insightful baseball intelligence to be interesting. Hearing pedestrian answers to questions says nothing to me, but “this is just another guy who thinks he can do it.”
Dusty and Quade spoke like these guys, they didn’t wow anybody, and they both proved to be poor tacticians. Lou… He was impressive, but the Cubs got him a couple years past his prime.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Nov 7, 2011 11:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well I am a little prejudiced.
Greg Maddux has perfected the art of answering the media in a string of standard cliches. He has no interest is being insightful in a media setting. However every once in a while when he likes the interviewer and thinks the topic ( various aspects of baseball) is worth it, he is fascinating, John Smoltz would laugh when describing Maddux’s deliberately boring answers. Personally I love listening to a very smart guy like Maddon having fun, but I have no problem with a “dull” manager as his job is to win games. Dealing with the media is part of the job, but it does not require them to be interesting.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 7, 2011 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well I'm expecting
the next Cubs manager to shoot laser beams out of his eyes. If neither Mackanin, Sveum or Maddux can do that in the presser, Theo needs to keep looking.
Shouldn't we be thrilled with the choices?
That’s all I’m sayin…
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Nov 8, 2011 5:54 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I think others are saying that if you are basing your level of excitement off of answers given in a mock press conference
then you’re never going to be happy.
Listen to Charlie Manuel speak some time. Listen to Bobby Cox for that matter. Most managers aren’t Mensa candidates.
by Nunyabidness on Nov 8, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So we have to hire Ted Lilly to manage?
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 8, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions
The answers that really mattered didn't happen before the media
The responses to game situations were probably the top decision criteria. The bits with the press are probably a combo of PR and a check to make sure these guys aren’t struck mute in front of a microphone.
The Cubs should grab up a pitching coach
Maddux definitely seems a good pick. A number of the names the Cubs have put up there so far seem good choices. But how many games are won or lost with just a few pitches? I think grabbing a great pitching coach is an awesome idea. A pitching coach could notice the minute signs that a pitcher needs pulled or can stay in a little longer that someone else might miss. And one thing has been consistent with all of the last who knows how many teams that have won the world series. They all had great pitching. The Cubs need some good pitching and a manager who can instruct them well.
by ColtsFanInEnemyTerritory on Nov 8, 2011 8:35 AM CST reply actions
I hope you understand Mike Maddux would be the manager
He is not applying or being interviewed for pitching coach. It is assumed of course that his expertise in pitching would be a major asset, but the Cubs will need a pitching coach ( I am assuming Riggens is gone)
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 8, 2011 8:41 AM CST up reply actions
And it's a double-edged sword
Pitchers may lack in the bigger picture of offensive and defensive strategy, from both sides of the diamond. Catchers are such good managers because they’ve been immersed in every aspect of the game.
On Bobby Cox above – very smart man! On Charlie Manuel? Would anyone lose with that roster?
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Nov 8, 2011 8:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Would anyone lose with that roster?
Charlie Manuel?
Has there been a video of Sveum
talking to the press here yet?
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if your
happy in texas why are you setting up interview jobs?i would prefer maddux of course.mckanin and sveum dont seem to be much of an upgrade over quade.or maybe im spoiled after 8 yrs of name mgrs. i dont know.none of the names thrill me.mitch williams on mlb was saying how he could;nt believe theo did’nt hire sandberg.mitch you’re a true gentleman.
Maddux has a very sweet gig in Texas
but in general people do want to move up to better jobs that pay more. I think I would be an upgrade over Quade.
The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise
by Doggie Stalker on Nov 9, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
So you don't trust who Theo and company will pick?
Is there a reason for this?
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by shoemile on Oct 21, 2011 10:10 PM CDT
by Madison Cub Fan on Nov 9, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's because they didn't hire Sandberg
or at least interview him. I’ve never seen NOMAR have such fire in his posts before. I think he’s angry.
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you know nomar has a strong opinion on something
when he comments while the thread is still active
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Nov 9, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, nothing like seeing that "1 new comment" on a 2 week old post.
You know where that one came from every time.
He would look natural in Cubbie Blue
I guess the issue is being #2 on a comfortable ship (Commander Riker) or being in charge of your own… ivy-covered ship with the L flag having been stuck up the pole for (looks at calendar) 103 years now.
His mock press conference is generating a lot of positive buzz
Just a hunch, but I think he has a leg up on the other candidates. Hopefully we know something by early next week.
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