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The early analysis from both the Chicago and national media regarding the likely makeup of the 2012 Cubs is baffling. Hasn't anybody been listening to Theo?

For the most part, the collective refrain has been: "The Cubs finally get it. They know they have to build from within. And Theo is no good at this free agent thing anyway, so the Cubs are going to rebuild from the ground up."

Because of this, and probably because predictions on where free agents will land tend to be bias toward all the teams that are already good signing all the available talent, we are led to believe that the Cubs are going to re-sign Kerry Wood and punt this offseason.

Fat chance. The Cubs have no minor-leaguers, with the possible exception of Brett Jackson, who are likely to make an impact in 2012. For that matter, it's unlikely there will be much more talent ready and waiting to take the field with the big club in 2013. In addition, they stand to lose the heart of their order from a 71-win team in 2011 with the departures of Aramis Ramirez and perhaps Carlos Pena.

So what makes the likes of Paul Sullivan, Phil Rogers, David Kaplan, Bruce Levine - I could go on and on - think that Theo & Co. are just going to sit back and lose 100 games the next two years in the hopes that a bumper crop of young talent is going to magically appear?

The Cubs will be more patient next year for sure. Theo will demand grinding at bats and hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo will have to commit to increasing the team's on-base percentage and pitches per at bat numbers, as well as lowering the team's percentage of pitches swung at out of the strike zone, if he wants to keep his job.

But remember, Theo said he was approaching his new job on two fronts. One to build the organization's scouting and player development at the minor-league level, the other to improve the Chicago Cubs in the short term.

This will be done through free agency. Some possible scenarios:

1. Starlin Castro will not be at short to start 2012 in the interest of run prevention. He will be at third, where he has a chance to be more productive overall than Ramirez was in 2011.

2. The Cubs seem unlikely suitors for Prince Fielder or Albert Pujols, which means they almost certainly will try to keep Pena.

3. Jose Reyes would appear to fit with what Theo wants in most respects from prospective free agents. He's in his prime, makes the Cubs more athletic, and fills the void left by the obvious move of Castro to third. His character is another issue.

4. There is almost no chance the Cubs won't sign a free-agent pitcher. Right now, Matt Garza, who is really a No. 2 starter, will have to do as a No. 1. Assuming Carlos Zambrano is gone, that leaves the Cubs with a No. 3 at best in Ryan Dempster and a bunch of guys battling for the No. 5 spot. Since teams just don't trade pitching, and noting what Theo said his criteria is for free agents, the only candidate that fits from the 2011-12 pool is Edwin Jackson. So perhaps he's the Cubs' No. 2 in 2012.

5. Theo will not mess with Andrew Cashner as a starter next season. Too risky. So he goes to the pen, perhaps even as a closer if Carlos Marmol can be dealt. Re-signing Wood is a no-brainer. Samardzija could be in the pen or the rotation. My guess is he's the No. 5 starter if a new pitching coach can help him develop a consistent arm slot. So look for Theo to find another reliever off the scrap heap to fill out what could be a decent group in 2012 (of course, Mike Quade seemed almost cocky about his bullpen heading into 2011, and we know how that turned out).

6. So now, you have a lineup with 1. Castro; 2. Barney (though he won't be around for long if he doesn't increase his on-base numbers); 3. Reyes; 4. RF; 5. Pena and probably a platoon partner; 6. Geovany Soto (Theo will like him because he's patient); 7. Alfonso Soriano (he's not going anywhere); 8. Marlon Byrd/Brett Jackson.

7. So who's in RF? It's up to Theo to figure this out. The free agent signings proposed here are very realistic given what's coming off the payroll the next two years, but while I think people have their head in the sand about the paltry projections for the Cubs' likely free-agent activity, expecting them to do more than sign Reyes, Jackson and Pena is equally unrealistic. So expect the RF spot to come from a trade including Carlos Marmol and maybe even a prospect.

Will all this happen? Of course not. But I'm willing to bet it's in line with the kind of plan Theo & Co. have for 2012 as opposed to this mysterious do nothing and wait for the talent to develop scenario that so many seem to be anticipating.

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Signing Reyes would be an awful idea.

And why does everyone want Castro at third? His main problem is throwing accuracy, so why would you have him make even longer throws? And please please please no Pena again in 2012.

by Dcr18 on Nov 9, 2011 6:58 AM CST reply actions  

I could live with Pena.

… depending on who fills the other open spots, and how much attention is given to pitching.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 7:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather have LaHair and another ten million.

This team isn’t close enough for Pena to be a difference maker, so I’d rather roll the dice on LaHair and spend the ten million on filling other needs.

by Dcr18 on Nov 9, 2011 7:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I dunno.

I am still very skeptical of LaHair.

Also, the headline on this post seems misleading. I have seen no indication that the Cubs will be “active players” in free agency.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree - I just don't see the point of bringing Pena back.

Especially if he needs multiple years.

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by D98 on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Pena is probably our best option

Sure his batting average is ugly, but 100 walks, 30 homeruns, gold glove saving Castro’s throws, and a good clubhouse guy. I’d take 2 years of Pena over 8 for Fielder.
Castro will be given another year at SS – he’s 21 and has the athletic ability.
Reyes is the kinda deal we don’t want.
I like signed Jackson + maybe an innings eater like Maholm or Francis
We probably need another OF bat

by Hookers or Cake on Nov 9, 2011 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

If you can't sign Fielder

Then it probably makes sense to play the guys in your system and see what useful pieces you can keep for 2013.

by Mitchener on Nov 9, 2011 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I’m over Pena. Adios dude.

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by shoemile on Nov 9, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we should stick with Pena at first.

If we could find a taker for Soriano then we could put LaHair in left. Given a full season I think LaHair and Soriano will have the same type of overall production. Pena was a great asset to the team this year and is a great value for what he brings to the table. If we could somehow swing a deal for Wright (ideally including either Soriano or Byrd) and make Jackson our starting center fielder we could have a potentially better lineup then last year and have plenty of money to spend on pitching.

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by CubFanInChina on Nov 9, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Mets are trading Wright, its because they cant afford him.

they will not be taking Soriano, and Byrd has little value to other teams unless as a 4th OF.

by MDavis on Nov 9, 2011 8:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Lahair, Byrd, and Jackson would be the best outfield line up

Early Projections already have Lahair nearly at .800 OPS. So most likely better than Soriano.

Byrd will have to play Center because his only asset is defense and Jackson will have to wait a year.

by Mitchener on Nov 9, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

LaHair kick your dog or somethin', Al? Take your parking spot?

He’s someone this team needs to take a serious look at. 2012 is gonna be pretty much a crap-shoot anyway. Might as well roll the dice and see what the guy has for the whole year. I’d prefer him at 1B, but, if push comes to shove, I’d play him in LF (if Fonz is dealt/released)…just as long as he plays somewhere.

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by Easy Ed on Nov 9, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He's Micah Hoffpauir 2.0 in left field.

A first baseman squeezed into a spot he’s not suited for.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

You keep using this comparison

despite the fact that’s he’s not really similar at all.

by Nunyabidness on Nov 9, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

How is he not similar?

He’s a first baseman who’s learning the outfield because there’s no room at 1B.

Sounds like the same thing to me defensively.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok...why isn't there any room at 1B?

Did we (Cubs) sign someone I don’t know about?

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by Easy Ed on Nov 9, 2011 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

Just not pushing for LaHair.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, what valid options are there for 1B?

I feel LaHair was never given a real chance. I’m glad Theo has stated he doesn’t believe in the Mythical AAAA label and I bet he’s the type of person that will give LaHair a real chance.

by ubercubsfan on Nov 9, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If he does

… I just hope he’s right and I’m wrong about LaHair.

I could be wrong. Certainly possible.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

even if Theo is wrong

what harm comes from giving LaHair a shot? because to me, Pena’s contract would be less beneficial to the Cubs than a LaHair experiment. Especially if they aren’t going to go after Fielder.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Nov 9, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see the long droopy swing Hoffpauir had at all in LaHair.

I see a compact quick swing that gets the barrel on the ball and takes walks. If the Cubs don’t land Pujols/Fielder I would rather them not spend 10-12MM on Pena and slot LaHair in at 1B.

by ubercubsfan on Nov 9, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Berkman played several full seasons in MLB as an outfielder.

Big difference than shoving a minor league 1B into the OF to get him some atbats.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Based on what?

Soriano is a horrific defender, one of the worst out there. I see no reason to assume LaHair would be worse than Soriano.

by Dcr18 on Nov 10, 2011 6:44 AM CST up reply actions  

UZR and UZR/150...

have Soriano as an above average outfielder.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Nov 10, 2011 7:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

Soriano has a bad reputation, but he’s at least average.

Shoving LaHair, who is a first baseman, in the outfield is a really bad idea.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 10, 2011 7:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Oh come on Al, despite the UZR you've seen Soriano first hand for years.

You really think he’s an average defender? I’m not sure I buy it, we’ve seen so many bad plays from him over the years. And he’s not getting any younger or healthier. Not to mention LF is probably the least “important” defensive position on the field, so if there is a place to have a defensive liability that would be it.

by Dcr18 on Nov 10, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, he makes bad plays.

I suspect LaHair would make more bad plays.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 10, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Plenty of big, ungraceful 1B have stood out in LF.

If he can provide production similar to Soriano at the plate, I’d be willing to save money and sacrifice what little defensive advantage you think Soriano has.

by Dcr18 on Nov 10, 2011 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Plenty of big, ungraceful 1B have stood out in LF.

Name some.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 10, 2011 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

isnt that where Adam Dunn was?

besides didnt Lahair play out there for some mop up time this year, and he didnt disgrace the position, from what i remember he held his own.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Nov 10, 2011 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Adam Dunn is the first to come to mind.

Lance Berkman this year, in RF to boot (yes I know he’s played plenty of OF earlier in his career, but athleticly he is a shell of him former self). And there are also a lot of big slow left fielders who have played there their entire careers because they never had the athletic ability to be a full time 1B in the first place.

Playing the outfield is just as much about instincts as it is athletic ability. Soriano still had good speed and a great arm, but still struggled defensively in LF due to poor routes and bad reads. Plenty of outfielders aren’t the most athletic guys but manage to stick around for a long time because they can take good enough routes to not completely embarrass themselves and reach balls within their reach. First base actually requires athletic ability as well as more hand eye coordination, which is why it’s such a harder position to play. You can get away with playing even slower players there because they have less ground to cover, but they have to have a sense of footwork and coordination.

So going off that, each position has it’s own physical requirements. LaHair obviously has enough ability to be an everyday first baseman, but what would he have to do to be acceptable in LF? Well, as far as I’ve seen, he doesn’t have the ridiculous lack of speed that guys like Thome and Molina have, so he seems to be “fast” enough to cover enough ground. Admittedly, I have no clue what kind of arm LaHair has, but LF doesn’t require a cannon arm and LaHair is a pretty big dude, so I imagince the arm strength would at least be passable. So the main thing would be how well he reads balls off the bat, the jumps he’s able to get, and how good his routes are. These are the categories that Soriano has struggled in during his times in LF, but he used to make up for it with decent speed, and he still has the strong arm. Do we have any clue what kind of reads and angles LaHair takes? He made a few appearances in the OF in September and was able to handle it without issue, but it was a small sample size.

Obviously, Hoffpauir struggled in the OF, but certainly wasn’t the first bad outfielder we’ve seen. But is it fair to assume that this means LaHair would have the same fate? Ultimately it’d be up to management to determine if he’d be acceptable out there, but just because LaHair and Hoffpauir are both big first baseman with similar body types doesn’t make them the same in the field. You were the one who has constantly compared the two offensively, when their differences in plate approach as well as the huge differences in their swings have been widely noted. I know your scared that he’s the same player as Hoff, but it’s unfair to compare Bryan to Micah just because their both minor league journeyman that had success at Iowa. Not to mention LaHair has played three times as many games in LF in the minors as Hoffpauir did, and only made two errors compared to Hoff’s three errors in many less appearances.

Ultimately, I just don’t see LaHair being so much worse than Soriano in LF to not give him a shot if we can actually trade Sori for some salary relief.

by Dcr18 on Nov 10, 2011 6:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Your point?

He’s also a terrible LF but has played a fair share of games out there, I imagine LaHair could do at least a little better than Dunn.

by Dcr18 on Nov 11, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe.

Dunn’s such a bad OF that teams don’t really want to play him there any more.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 11, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll trust imperfect defensive statistics...

over your eye test any day.

Basically, Soriano’s speed (comparative to other LFs) and arm allow him to be a slightly above average fielder despite misplaying balls on occasion.

D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice

by Kansas25 on Nov 10, 2011 5:11 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not just my eye test.

It’s been widely noted how many boneheaded plays he makes out there. As we’ve seen the last two years, his speed is all but completely gone, and lets just say it’s not getting any better, especially if those fragile legs are damaged any further. I think the arm is the only thing keeping him out of the bottom tier of everyday LFs in the NL.

by Dcr18 on Nov 10, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Spend on what pitching?

Oswalt? Buehrle? I’m not sure Theo is going to spend a lot on guys north of 32. Jackson is the only guy who fits the bill. The Cubs don’t really need any more prospective No. 5s.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

To spend or bank?

There’s not a whole lot of depth in this free agent pool.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 12:46 AM CST up reply actions  

That's been my thought about this season...

We’ve got a lot of money coming off the books, and seemingly fewer and fewer pieces worth spending it on. Rather than spending the bank of aging free agents or other players who don’t fit with what the front office is trying to do with the team, can we use some of that money to make up for the lack of depth in our farm system to pick up some up-and-comers showing real promise to fill some obvious gaps in the roster (corners, starting pitching)?

by EcoGeek on Nov 10, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

To spend or bank?

There isn’t a lot of depth in the free agent market.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 1:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Isn't the throw from the hole at short the longest throw in the infield?

Additionally, why not (assuming we sign Reyes) move him to 2nd? That most certainly shortens up his throws.

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by WindisBlowingOut! on Nov 9, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

I was just thinking ...

the transition would be easier to third, where he wouldn’t have to learn the pivot. But maybe I’m wrong. I do know there are only a few ways to immediately make the defense better. And Reyes is a good fielder, is he not?

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Pena, i understand, because they dont have a first baseman

i dont want him, but i understand that thought….

Reyes on the other hand seems to be a little brittle, expensive and plays a position we have starlin castro playing.

my hope is that Z is back and we get out of the Soriano contract somehow.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Nov 9, 2011 7:45 AM CST reply actions  

Your description of the Cubs starting pitching is exactly why I would want to go back to a 4-man rotation.

It will take awhile, but make those attributes a priority when you draft pitching and start to transform your farm system from Rookie-ball on up. Within 5 years, you’d be the envy of every other mlb team.

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by ballhawk on Nov 9, 2011 7:46 AM CST reply actions  

I ♥ this idea.

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by katie casey on Nov 9, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

A great plan if you can run it through opposition from the union, player agents,

and lawyers ready to sue the first time a prospect on a four-day rotation blows out his arm.

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by ernaga on Nov 9, 2011 9:36 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't think any of those parties have a say in how a rotation is structured

Do contracts say “player will be part of a 5 man rotation”?

Dempster and Garza are good for 200+ innings. And I could see Wells and Zambrano approaching that number. With a spot 5th starter, I think the Cubs could make a 4 man rotation work

by El Borto on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I have always thought..

… you could give four pitchers 35 starts each — which is only one more than most starters get these days — adding up to 140 games, then have a spot starter/long relief guy do the other 22 games, using off days, etc.

Then you also have a REAL “long reliever” who can come in if one of the other guys gets knocked out early. Under recent Cubs managers, their idea of “long relief” is “two innings”.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe.

Or, a “four-plus”, because I doubt you could really have four starters make 40 starts each any more.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you that Theo won't sit back and lose 100 games for the next two seasons but

moving Castro to 3rd is just a dumb idea. His bat is much more special at SS than 3rd base. Theo and the band should bring in their manager and coaches to work with Castro and see if he can stay at shortstop in 2012.

If they move him now, he won’t likely come back.

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by rlpete on Nov 9, 2011 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

Hasn't Epstein already said Castro stays at short?

I don’t get why people continue to advocate another position for him. He’s not moving.

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by BeerCub on Nov 9, 2011 8:29 AM CST reply actions  

Yes.

And for good reason.

by Dcr18 on Nov 9, 2011 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty much doubt the Cubs sign any FA to a long-term deal this offseason.

Minor signings seem more likely. The biggest splash could be a guy like Edwin Jackson or Paul Maholm on a 3 year deal.

Hope to see DJ L and Ryan Flaherty compete at 3rd.

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by SackMan on Nov 9, 2011 9:28 AM CST reply actions  

Why are you so sure Cashner will be moved back to the pen?

Wouldn’t a stat savvy guy like Theo recognize that a good, young pitcher’s greatest value is as a starter — even if said pitcher has had one essentially lost season due to injury?

And, speaking of injuries, it seems a glaring oversight to sing the praises of Jose Reyes without mentioning his lengthy DL stints. I’d lean toward staying away from him unless he could be signed for a short-term or highly conditional deal.

Also, if Brett Jackson does head north with the team out of spring training, I’d assume that means Marlon Byrd will play right field. I do wonder, though, whether it would be worthwhile to leave Byrd in center for one last season so he could mentor BJax, who could play right field most of the time.

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by daver on Nov 9, 2011 9:58 AM CST reply actions  

I told myself I wouldn't bite, but couldn't help it.

1. No, Castro is not moving yet. And, no, it is not likely he would be “more productive” than Ramirez. Eventually? Perhaps… but that’s too big a jump yet.

2. The title of your post is that the Cubs will be active in FA (a debatable contention… which is then further confused by essentially doing nothing but signing one SP), but then they are unlikely to even pursue either of the two biggest prizes?

3. A player whose most pronounced skill is speed… and has been dogged for three years by leg problems? And as a three hitter, to boot? Um, no thanks.

4. Mostly right in theory, but, personally I don’t want Jackson. For all his talent, there’s a reason he’s played for SIX teams in four seasons.

5. As daver noted above, this is likely to be very wrong. Cashner has far more value as a SP. And all of this “we shouldn’t ‘mess with’ Cashner as a SP” is simply misunderstanding the kid’s history. He was a reliever one year in college. Otherwise, he was a SP his whole life, including in the Cubs’ minor league system until the Cubs tried to get cute to bring him up to help the pen. But there’s absolutely no reason on earth to not give Cashner another shot as a SP, particularly given how weak the Cub system is at SP. If he proves he can’t hack it, he can always be bumped to the pen.

6 & 7. So Theo is just supposed to “figure out” who is going to play RF… and that guy then automatically bats 4th? What? Lou… is that you? And as daver noted, Byrd is reasonably likely to slide to RF unless he is dealt.

And as a last thought… there’s no reason to write off 2013 in general yet. And there are also a fair handful of prospects who could be contributors (I’m not claiming star status, but all have the potential to help) to the 2013 Cubs: Vitters, Clevenger, Szczur, Ha, Beliveu, Dolis, Jokisch, McNutt, Rhoderick, Whitenack, Lake, Kurcz). All those players, and possibly a couple more could contribute, given normal or slightly advanced development curves. Now, surely not all of them will be Cubs in 2013… but it is folly to think there’s no possibility of any help coming from the minors in 2013.

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by fsuapollo on Nov 9, 2011 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

My main goal here ...

was to present a realistic picture of what could happen. And I don’t think the Cubs are going to spend more than it would take to get Reyes, Jackson and Pena. You’re probably talking $50 million per year here, and I’d call that active in free agency. Pena should not get more than two years, Jackson four and Reyes five. Six at the absolute most.

I don’t see Theo going after an aging Pujols or a lumbering Prince Fielder, who by the way is an inadequate gloveman.

As for the RF No. 4, it was simply meant to acknowledge that the lineup I threw out there did not have a natural cleanup hitter. No way Pena or Soriano hit No. 4, so Theo needs to find someone to hit in that spot. The only spot left in my scenario was RF.

Just trying to have some fun and pose some possibilities that may give the Cubs a chance to contend in 2012. I think you maybe took my possible moves a little too seriously. :-)

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 1:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Reyes may get only three because of injury history.

Check out this Fangraphs article.

And I find your last sentence a little odd. Do you not want us to take you seriously?

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by daver on Nov 10, 2011 12:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Between Reyes and Fielder, go after Fielder every time

The Cubs need a 1B and big bat, and Fielder checks those boxes. The Cubs need that big bat to play every day. Reyes has a bad injury history – even in his “comeback” this year, he missed 36 games. Fielder missed 0 games this year and hasn’t missed more than 5 in the past several years.

by ClarkFan on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM CST reply actions  

Despite his weight

Fielder will probably miss less time in his 30’s.

I can’t imagine a team siging Reyes without adding incentives. Most likely 6th or 7th years don’t get picked without a certain number of plate appearances.

by Mitchener on Nov 9, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't agree re: Fielder.

He’s got the same body type as his father — who was done at 34.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

While their slugging prowess is obviously comparable...

…I don’t ever recall seeing Cecil be as (relatively) nimble, agile, quick etc. as Prince as shown. Yes, the covers are similar but I’m thinking Prince’s book will tell a different story.

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by ballhawk on Nov 9, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

As I said at the top, I expect the Cubs to be more active than people are anticipating in free agency, but I don’t see them signing Fielder for the number of years Boras will want given that his decline could start halfway through the contract. And it flies against the whole idea of run prevention and getting more athletic – clearly stated goals of Epstein’s.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 1:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Theo said people forget how young Castro is.

He thinks his coaching staff has a responsibility to help get the most out of their players. He said a great hitting shortstop is hard to find. So I would expect Castro to stay where he is.

by Rick B on Nov 9, 2011 11:51 AM CST reply actions  

Castro is still incredibly raw

At least he has the advantage of learning short stop on a field that is far superior than the parking lot-quality fields at some minor league stadiums.

On the flip side, he blew through the developmental levels and I wonder how many major league level coaches are used to dealing with a kid this raw and this young?

by subtle on Nov 9, 2011 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point,

but only if he can be an asset defensively at short. Only if he can contribute to run prevention.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 1:32 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cubs should be active in free agency.

I am not sure that they will be. They have certainly been tight lipped about any potential signings, as opposed to say Brian Cashman, who claims to be giving “due dilligence” to just about everyone. Or the Fish, who seem to casting quite a large net. Could be due to the manager search, which seems to be their top priority.

I assume everyone is pleased there will now be an official rebuilding plan in place, but this shouldn’t have to mean we have to wait half a decade for some hope of a team to arrive. I would hope they would make several positive steps toward next year this off season. Certainly seems like they have some money to spend. And if they sign someone to a five year contract, the Cubs will have guaranteed money coming off the books right at a point when their farm system should be taking over their roster. That is when you can pluck the “right” plug-in FA. That being said, I don’t think the Cubs have to sign someone like Fielder. But the key to these first years might be setting up contracts so some big money falls off the payroll every year. A lot more money comes off the books in 2013. Certainly they can spend some this year if they so choose.

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by BucknerKongCardenal on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions  

So let's hear your ...

scenario for how to fix the Cubs in the short term.

by Bill Bonham on Nov 10, 2011 1:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Sizemore, Headley, Buehrle, Kotchman, Gio Gonzalez

Soriano/LaHair platoon in LF if they can’t move Soriano. Sizemore for RF if he’ll accept a pillow contract. Jackson would have to be ready for CF.

Deal Byrd and Zambrano for salary relief and possibly Marmol, Wells or Cashner.

Buehrle looks like he might be expensive and Gio will take a lot to land so while I’m on this pipe dream we might as well sign Fielder, too,

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Nov 10, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Bad start assuming Castro will move to 3B

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by lookingdeadred on Nov 10, 2011 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

My Short-term fix

C. Geo Soto
1b. Prince Fielder
2b. Darwin Barney
Ss. Starlin Castro
3b. Cuddyer/Prado?
Rf. Sizemore/Cuddyer/Kubel/Beltran?
Cf. Brett Jackson
Lf. Alfonso Soriano
B. Clevenger/Castillio/Doumit?
B. Bryan LaHair
B. Jeff Baker
B. Marlon Byrd
B. Campana/Montanez/LeMahieu?
Sp. Matt Garza
Sp. Edwin Jackson
Sp. Ryan Dempster
Sp. Randy Wells
Sp. Carlos Zambrano
Rp. Andrew Cashner
Rp. Sean Marshall
Rp, Jeff Samardzija
Rp. Jeff Russell
Rp. Kerry Wood
Rp. Carlos Marmol
Cp. Cordero/Nathan/Bell/K-rod?
Spend about 55-60 million dollars, win the division, we are a big market Gititdone. The money is comming off the book. Short-term deals for everyone but Fielder by the way. I like the idea of Sizemore/Nathan as one year shots.

by zach katz on Nov 11, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

Zach for GM

I like it. I know Jed’s uncle, I’ll put in a good word for you.

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by Jose's Eyelid on Nov 11, 2011 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't mind this, except why would we want to spend millions on a closer?

AND have four other relievers making over one million dollars? Relief pitching is the teams one strength, and if you don’t feel comfortable with Marmol closing then give Samardzija/Wood/Marshall the spot. Also I don’t think we quite have 55 million to spend in FA, especially without trading Byrd, Soriano, Marmol, or Z.

by Dcr18 on Nov 11, 2011 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Pretty expensive "fix"

… with a lot of the people from last year’s failed team. No thanks.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 11, 2011 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know.

But you’re pretty much bringing back everyone.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 13, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

This is true and last year was hard

I just figure there will only be so much movement and I was going patchwork. I think this could be an exciting run-scoring team. Next year we would be able to re-invest Zambrano-Dempster’s Money. Byrd would be a free-agent too.

by zach katz on Nov 13, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

I think...

… Theo & Jed will have other ideas.

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by Al Yellon on Nov 13, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I do as well

I suspect next year will resemble this year more so than my roster and may produce a similar record as they look to the future.

by zach katz on Nov 13, 2011 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

P.S.

I do believe in these guys and think we are headed in the right direction.

by zach katz on Nov 13, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Unrelated to the topic at hand, but Bill, I just have to ask

if you are pulling for Pete Mackanin to be the next Cubs manager. I mean, he did own you, with two of his career home-runs coming off of you. For some reason, I have a very clear memory of his April 19, 1976 HR off of you in the fourth inning. I think it was on a change-up, which, as we all recall, was your out pitch.

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by Jose's Eyelid on Nov 11, 2011 1:50 PM CST reply actions  

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