Report: Aramis Ramirez To Sign With Brewers
Three-year deal, terms unknown at this time. Will update with more info as it becomes available.
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Confusing...
He goes from one bad team to another mediocre team. Don’t really understand hims motive for leaving Chicago to go to Milwaukee unless the Brewers gave him a big pay day.
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More of a pay day than the Cubs wanted to offer.
Also, the Brewers aren’t mediocre. They won the division, have good pitching and have a good nucleus — even without Fielder and even with Braun’s possible suspension.
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Well
… Brewers are the defending division champs, even with their current troubles.
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And enough pitching
in an awfully “meh” division.
I would still say the Cards are favorites (still enough offense, pitching should improve with Wainright back), with the Brewers and Reds angling to be contenders. The other three teams, until proven otherwise, are inconsequential (from a competition stand-point).
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Any guesses?
I’ll say 3 years, $40 million with a vesting option 4th year
my guess is 3/45 for rami
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 11:46 AM CST reply actions
I bet 3/39.
There didn’t seem to be THAT much of a market for him.
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Agree.
The Angels were interested, but that was before Pujols.
The Tigers had made some inquiries. That’s about all I heard.
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The Phillies were interested, at one point.
BTW, I think we’re about to see a TON of signings and trades …
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yeah rosenthal reporting
34-37 million
i think he may have over-estimated his market. The option with the Cubs was for $16 million, had he accepted it he’d just need a 2 yr 18-20 million dollar contract to equal it. Given the chance for collapse in his skill-set probably the right move to take the security, but i think he expected more
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
I'm beyond shocked. I'd have taken him back on a 3 year $34 million deal.
Oh well, live and learn.
i wouldn't have gone beyond 2 years on aramis
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Two and an option year.
But yeah, this isn’t that much $.
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i'd do 2 and a club option
but 2 and a player option is worse than a 3 year deal
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
Because that’s essentially a 3-year deal.
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his option was $16m, right?
so they are paying him less on average than his option was, but he got the years he wanted. I wonder had the Cubs offered 3/$30 area before he hit the open market if he would have accepted, with 2 guaranteed and 1 option
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he wouldn't have accepted that
that’s far worse than what he’s getting with the brewers and i think his expectations heading into free agency were that he’d do better than this contract. I’d be hard-pressed to believe he’s surprised on the upside with a 3/34 or 3/37 deal
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
That depends on a lot of "Ifs"
If he stays healthy; if he hits and fields well; if there’s still a market for an even older 3B…
This way he guarantees himself double what he would have been guaranteed from the Cubs. It may be less on average, but he can package this with the money he already has in the bank and be quite happy I imagine.
by Orval Overall on Dec 12, 2011 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
I have a feeling I'm not going to really miss Aramis
until I watch his replacements for while.
wish he had followed Puijols' lead
and left the NL Central, i wish him well, except against us
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I'm guessing he'll be hot out of the gate with the Brewers
Playing indoors with a warm 72 degrees will do his power numbers good. Not that I care, because now he’s the ENEMY!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Which to me raises more of a question about Prince
How will Prince do if he plays 81 games at an outdoor stadium, like Wrigley or Texas? Would the summer heat wear him down?
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 12, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
It doesn't get hot in Chicago until August, it seems.
Last year was freaking cold. Can’t imagine it would affect him much.
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I understand that Miller Park is not heated
Can anyone confirm that?
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
It's not.
It’s supposed to keep temps around 30 degrees above outside temp. So if it’s 30 degrees outside, it’s about 60 inside.
I can confirm this, as I was once there on a 35-degree day, and I had to keep a jacket on inside. Comfortable, no wind of course, but not warm.
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Well, that stinks
I was hoping he’d leave the division. Not good.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 12, 2011 11:50 AM CST reply actions
Wonder how Brewers fans will react to having a longtime former Cub.
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I doubt it will be an issue.
Ramirez keeps such a low profile.
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agreed
more interested in how Brenley calls his ABs and plays against the Cubs. Does he rip inot him or take the high road seeing as his comments about Rami lead me to beleive he is not a fan of him as a player.
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It would be an interesting comparison...
…if we end up with Fielder!
Some enterprising master’s student could get a thesis out of it.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Dec 12, 2011 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
That would be funny
I’m not in favor of signing Fielder, but it would be funny to see what would essentially be a Fielder for Aramis swap.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2011 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Like most people around here
I’m glad to see Ramirez gone. I’ll miss him—especially with our 3B options this year—but it was time for him to go. I’m hoping we get Prince—that oughta amp up this brewing Cubs/Brewers rivalry.
thank you aramis
for the memories
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one of my best sports memories of all time was watching that walk-off HR with my dad in my annual pilgrimage to wrigley
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 12, 2011 11:57 AM CST reply actions
You know ...
for all the angst about the 2008 team not showing up in the playoffs, I think the 2007 team might be more disappointing. Starting with this game and going through the rest of the season, that ’07 squad looked like one of those lightning-in-a-bottle teams.
Sigh.
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I'll differ with you here.
The ‘07 team got hot for a couple months, but barely squeaked into the playoffs. They could have beaten the D’backs — I think they were a better team — but would have likely been crushed by the Rockies, who were on an unbelievable roll, if they had gotten into the NLCS.
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Good point about the Rockies.
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and then the Rockies
laid an egg in the World Series.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if he'll play LF for the first 50 games or so.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 12, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ramirez 3-year deal with #Brewers expected to be in $34M to $37M range. Numbers not confirmed. Brewers earlier made offer to Rollins. #MLB
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Wow, really shocked he signed for juts over 11 million per.
And only got 3 years.
I don't think he would have re-signed with the Cubs for that deal
I think the low amount for the Cubs would have been $14M
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 12, 2011 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
History
History has shown a list of players that have gotten less in free agency per year for their last contract, than they would with their former team. Compare Mark Grace vs. Derek Jeter.
He could have accepted the Cubs option for $16M. That represents 43% of his new contract (at $37M). I can’t see how he would have signed a new contract with the Cubs where the option would have represented that much of the total value.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 12, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
This sucks
for me personally Aramis was my all time favorite Cub. Obviously I knew he was gone what a month or or 2 whenever he opted out but going to the team I hate the most is my worst nightmare ha, but if we get Fielder it might be a happy dream and not a nightmare
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I'll be really pissed
if he gets in shape, plays well in the field, and hustles all the time.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 12, 2011 12:26 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I can TOTALLY see this happening
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by Madison Cub Fan on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
This will happen if the Brewers are in contention.
No one was really bitching about Aramis not hustling in 2008.
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The Aramis Market
It shrunk fairly abruptly. LA was off the table once they signed Albert. Florida wasn’t an option with Jose Reyes at SS and Hanley moving to 3B. Detroit seemed to have interest… but beyond that, there wasn’t a ton of chatter. Milwaukee allows him to play his early season home games indoors.
It will be interesting to see how Aramis does in Milwaukee. In all likelihood, Prince is gone (perhaps a certainty w/ Aramis’ signing and K-Rod accepting arbitration. If Braun indeed is suspended for 50 games, Aramis will be under the microscope very early and if he does not get off to a hot start, there may be some upset Brewers fans.
Prince is definitely gone from Milwaukee.
Tweet from Brewers beat writer Tom Haudricourt:
#Brewers GM Doug Melvin said last week there will be point where have to move on from Fielder. Signing Ramirez represents that point.
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Obviously
If Fielder was willing to come back to Milwaukee by giving a home town discount, the Brewers might have been able to squeeze his salary in. But now, he’s definitely gone. No way they can afford Aramis AND Prince.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'll miss him - solid rbi guy and more clutch than he got credit for
but maybe it was time to move on – as said above don’t think he could have come back to Cubs for those $ numbers
by doofus cubs guy on Dec 12, 2011 12:40 PM CST reply actions
He was Type A, right?
We get the Brewers number 1 pick this year That makes this deal seem a little better for us.
supplemental pick after the first round.
This wiki page is tracking it
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Type B...
Pretty sure that means we get a supplemental first round pick. I can’t believe he wasn’t a Type A guy. Gotta think he would have been had it not been for guys like Pujols and Fielder in FA this year.
Stupid.
Best 3B in NL this year, but type B?
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Yeh, I agree
Getting rid of the ELIAS system for Type A and B players is probably a good thing.
Well... Elias is going
But it should be noted that there will be fewer Type A free agents and its unlikely that Aramis would have been a type A under the new system.
It's based on two seasons
and he was hurt most of 2010.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
In related news, it's looking like McGehee might get non-tendered after all of this.
The Cubs should try to get him back.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Dec 12, 2011 12:54 PM CST reply actions
Yep
Another guy with a bad 2011 that could be valuable if he rebounded to prior numbers. Part of a platoon with Stewart (even though his splits against LHP were lousy, that isn’t the norm for him)
Also
McGehee can play 2B if needed, and also be an emergency catcher.
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Unless McGehee can play the outfield corners ...
or if Baker is sent to Boston as Theo compensation, I don’t see McGehee fitting.
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Baker
I think he could be non-tendered if McGehee was acquired, though I admit the timing on this might be quite tricky
The problem with acquiring guys who had good seasons in 2010
is that next season is 2012.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Numbers from the past 2 years determine type A and B.
Ramirez had a lousy 2010.
He was the Cubs’ best clutch hitter since Sammy Sosa. Both of them were able to step it up a notch with runners in scoring position.
Thanks Aramis
For decades, people kept asking “When will the Cubs find someone to replace Ron Santo at third base?” Every year it seemed like third base was a black hole, sucking in another third baseman who would stay for a year or two and then putting in another one. And don’t think the media didn’t notice and kept harping on it.
Well, thank you, Aramis. You weren’t as good as Ron Santo, but you can battle it out with Stan Hack for the title of the second best third baseman in Chicago Cubs history. You played a lot of good baseball while you were in town and stabilized the position for nine seasons. Good luck in Milwaukee, except when you are playing the Cubs.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 12, 2011 1:01 PM CST reply actions 7 recs
I'll miss him as well
If Vitters isn’t the long term answer, we will be speaking the same way about Ramirez in years to come. Especially if he starts pounding the Cubs the next few years.
+1 and Rec'd
Everyone seemed to focus on what Ramirez wasn’t, while ignoring what he was – as you said, he’s arguably the second-best 3B in franchise history.
by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 12, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd a thousand times
He will be missed.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 12, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not gonna miss him
he had one of the biggest joke years ever in 2011. He literally did not show up at all until July 1st. I remember Al saying in late June he thought Ramirez would just retire. That’s how indifferent he was last year, when he finally did get hot the Cubs continued to lose. He has zero leadership skills and brought no intangibles to the team.
More of this, huh?
The guy hit .295 in April and .283 in May. No, his power did not come until later, but even during the slow first couple of months his OPS was in the top 10 for all 3B in baseball.
I get not wanting to pay the guy 16 million to keep him around, or wanting to risk a 3 year deal on him moving forward, but to harp on his batting in 2011 is beyond old.
Not everyone in the clubhouse is or needs to be a leader, not everyone is built to become one – at least Ramirez didn’t pretend to be something he wasn’t.
Are you sure you're not confusing 2011 with 2010?
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Yeah, that was 2010.
When he was clearly injured the first two months.
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Al, check the Kansas City game threads last year
you specifically said you thought he would retire he was playing so poorly and didn’t seem to care.
Hey, Al changed his mind so what he said earlier shouldn't be held against him!
by Nunyabidness on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hmmm.
I’ll take his word for it.
But seriously, you do agree that I’m entitled to change my mind?
Or is what I say always an immutable truth that can never be altered?
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I'll miss Aramis...
But I’m glad he isn’t coming back. He’s been a great player for us but for his age and price I think it’s time to move on. Sheds some cap space right?
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by LongLiveHarryCaray on Dec 12, 2011 1:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Plus..
With type B compensation it’s not a total loss
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by LongLiveHarryCaray on Dec 12, 2011 1:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Either he changes his number
Or I change my username. Adios, Aramis.
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It sure would be nice to read one of these fanshots where the Cubs have signed an impact player
I’m not going into panic or “Chanman” mode just yet, but I’d love to get excited.
We all would.
Presuming it happens, does it matter that it didn’t happen before December 12?
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YES IT MATTERS VERY MUCH!!!
FFS I straight up SAID that I wasn’t going into panic mode, just that it would be nice.
by Nunyabidness on Dec 12, 2011 1:49 PM CST up reply actions
You still haven't proven that the moon isn't made of spare ribs
by Nunyabidness on Dec 12, 2011 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Now this is an interesting line of inquiry.
Do tell.
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Upon further research, I've actually concluded it's braised short ribs, not spare ribs.
Fall off the bone tender, though. Highly suggest a trip there.
If you really want good ribs
Try “Oh, Dennis!” on WI-38 in Racine, north of the Racine airport.
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If you want sneaky good ribs in the city, check out Twin Anchors in Lincoln Park
It’s very divey, but delicious.
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