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Theo knows its time to make some moves BIG MOVES..i hope

A lot of the apathetic “cubs won’t do anything this offseason” chicago media, seem to be framing Theo as a guy who takes waivers on exiled players who have failed to reach their potential and builds from within. I don’t think he’s like that at all I think he recognizes the need for power hitting in the middle of the lineup and a dominant first of rotation pitcher. The Cubs as currently constructed have only one of any of the above, its taking waivers on mediocre players like DeJesus and Stewart but lack a true cleanup hitter, first of rotation pitcher (Garza and the reanimated corpses of Z and Dempster do not count), and obviously have no talent in the farm system (its not like Jim Hendry would draft Wayne Gretzky’s son just to skate on the ice with his father, oh wait that did happen, fuck)

Star-divide

Theo inherited one of the most dominant hitters of modern baseball in Manny Ramirez a player who at the time was signed to the largest contract ever awarded to a Red Sox when his small market team the Indians could not match his level of play and the amount of dollars it demanded. After the ensuing world series victories (plural) he traded away manny to the dodgers (we remember this right? Killing our season) and signed J.D. Drew to a 5 year 70 million dollar contract, put him in Big Papi’s batting slot moving Papi to Manny’s spot and let that work itself out for two years before realizing J.D. Drew was serviceable could maybe even lead you to the playoffs but to win a world series with him as a focal point of the batting order NO WAY. He then signed Adrian Gonzalez to a 7 year 154 million last winter and it worked until that late season collapse it looked like Red Sox vs Phillies WS. In the situation here we don’t have anyone (A Ramirez and Pena are gone 26 million in cap space for you playing at home) so its not a question of well our 3 or 4 hitters will be ok if we sign a middle of the road veteran and hope he can play to his originally perceived potential. We are at zero which is why we will sign Prince Fielder, look at up coming free agent lists, who do you want more Mike Napoli or Prince, a 32+ year old Josh Hamilton next year or a 27 year old Fielder?

The second part to this is the need of a top of the rotation ACE who can carry your team to victory in the post season. Josh Beckett who was more important to the red sox world series victory in 07 than curt schilling (He was also the MVP of the Marlins 2003 WS victory). He started game one of the ALCS in 07 and dominated the game, the red sox lost the next 3, and Beckett came back and dominated again leading them to another world series appearance and a ALCS MVP. How did Theo go about obtaining a World Series MVP to help his team win another world series? By trading his best prospect who happened to be one of the best players in the game Hanley Ramirez. A quick look at our pitching staff shows a mix of young and promising Garza, Cashner, old and fading Z Dempster, and never was Jeff the Wide Receiver. Regardless none of the above are anywhere near the caliber of the Beckett. So now I’m going to say something crazy, the cubs should trade Castro for Tim Lincecum. The Giants are entering the final year of arbitration for Tim and they’ve already invested somewhere between 30-40 million and Tim is due to get a huge pay day. Let the giants ride out cheap arbitration on Castro while we pay Lincecum market value. You can develop all the grinders in the world but Theo knows you win championships with dominant pitching.

The last part is the farm system and man did Jim Hendry give two fucks about that during his tenure, good thing they lucked out with castro. I would bet a good amount of money that Jim spent more time looking at delivery menus than the box scores of the minor league teams. Theo will make good draft choices and obviously will do a far better job scouting these players using advanced statistics while Hendry just used his “gut” to make decisions (I hope Z dumpster Milton fukudome and the rest leave him with an ulcer) This will improve you can be absolutely sure of that.

I know the question is always why sign these big free agents they never turn out well, but sometimes they do (Rodriguez, Alex; Texiera, Mark) Soriano was never a 3rd 4th guy in the batting order so they never should have paid him like one its no surprise he didn’t work out, along with signing a DH in Bradley to play RF when he never made it through a season unhurt. We need Fielder at bare minimum this year. I’m not sold on Garza’s ability to win in cold weather so pitching is a big priority one I’m willing to let ride out knowing we can actually generate some runs. No I don’t think the giants would take that castro trade its just in there to make a point that we cubs fans overvalue our own players way too often (I hope you didn’t baulk when I mentioned that trade above because TL>SC in every aspect of everything) Now if the majority of our offseason money was spent on 2 GMs and some fliers on underperforming players that will be the great tragedy of the 2012 cubs season ticket holders like myself that even a second summer of 2 dollar beers can’t fix.

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Man o man!

Blood in the water and I’m the first shark on scene!

victories (plural)

Priceless!

by Tat14 on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM CST reply actions  

how about "trickle" of consciousness?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions  

...with prostate problems.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run FOR Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Dec 14, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Not really

More like Ulysses ,
Oddly took a class in college from a prof who was supposedly one of 5 people in the world who understood Finnegans Wake. Personally I never got past Portrait of the Artist, but for his lack of punctuation alone, Joyce is my hero.

The bottom is loaded with nice people, Albert. Only cream and bastards rise

by Doggie Stalker on Dec 16, 2011 7:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Just when I thought no one could be hated more than me around here...

Thank you TillChicagoWins! Your Christmas card and check are in the mail. ;-)

by jeffmills1972 on Dec 13, 2011 11:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeff,

I doubt anyone in BCB hates you. Its all in fun, even more so when you get mad about it.

Happy Holidays!

by Tat14 on Dec 14, 2011 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

methinks he doth protest too much...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 7:54 AM CST up reply actions  

at least you are not being ignored

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

This comment pretty much proves to me you cannot handle it when people disagree with you

I would suggest you stop posting on a site that is well known for its “discussions” if you think people disagreeing with you is the same as hating you.

by Nunyabidness on Dec 14, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

you mispelled assessment

(now let’s wait and see who takes the bait…)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Theo didn't make the Beckett/Ramirez trade

He left the Sox from Oct 2005 till Jan 2006 because of his dispute with Lucchino/Warner. The trade went down in Nov 2005. Lucchino made the trade.

It’s been reported that Theo has said he would not have made that trade because he liked Ramirez so much.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

by Bufford on Dec 15, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

True.

At the same time, the Red Sox don’t win the WS in 2007 without Beckett.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Mike Lowell.

Lowell and Becket combined for about 11WAR in 2007; Ramirez was no slouch himself, worth 5.7 WAR. But Lugo was a black hole at short for them in 2007.

It’s hard to evaluate that trade for 2007… without Lowell, Youkalis probably plays 3rd for that team but I’m not sure who would’ve played first. But – without Lowell, they’ve got more money to spend that year as well, maybe on someone like Ted Lilly.

That’s a really tough trade to evaluate, though if it’s not a clear win for either team that probably mans it was a win for both.

by Wreckard on Dec 15, 2011 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't forget Pedro, Lowe, Manny, Nomar, Varitek, Damon

Theo had quite a nucleus when he took over at Boston. Then with his great pickup of Ortiz, he was on his way. It’s hard to understand why a bright guy like Theo had such a poor record signing free agents (like Lugo – had to DFA him and eat about $10M).

Without such a nucleus with the Cubs and no real impact players (maybe Jackson) in the minors on the horizon, it will be interesting how Theo approaches the free agent market.

He recently said that paying for future performance (not past performance) is the key with free agents. Most players peak before age 30. But long-term contracts for the top free agents begin near age 30 and extend at least to their mid-thirties since they don’t typically sign short-term deals. I wonder how Theo handles this contradiction especially with the new CBA hindering his draft strategy and spending.

I can’t see Theo and TR waiting patiently 2,3,4 years for the minors to produce their impact players. The Prince Fielder outcome may provide some insight.

by Bufford on Dec 15, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Gratuitous profanity not appreciated.

Neither is calling Dempster “Dumpster”.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know if this is the case for this poster

but my phone autocorrects dempster to dumpster.

Marilyn Monroe "yogi your a pretty cool guy"
Berra " Marilyn you ain't so hot yourself"!

by Notsnud on Dec 13, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.damnyouautocorrect.com

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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for that:)

Marilyn Monroe "yogi your a pretty cool guy"
Berra " Marilyn you ain't so hot yourself"!

by Notsnud on Dec 13, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I love that site.

Have laughed and laughed for many hours at those.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes i hate when people call him that

He has one bad season, that was mostly fueled by a bad april and being left in games to long, and then people start calling him dumpster.

He gave the team 3 consistent years of 200 innings and a ERA under 4. A little respect?

by Mitchener on Dec 14, 2011 5:07 AM CST up reply actions  

respect sure, but the team still needs an upgrade

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 14, 2011 7:32 AM CST up reply actions  

He's more than welcome to finish out his contract, IMHO.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

And the Cubs are even more welcome to get an upgrade

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 15, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Or they can do both.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 15, 2011 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Dempster as the 4th or 5th guy in the rotation is about right

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Dec 16, 2011 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess.

It depends on the rotation. I’d rather he not be our No. 2, which I suppose he is at the moment. I’m OK with Demp as a No. 3 but, yeah, at this point in his career, he’d be best off as a No. 4. I think he’d be one of the better No. 5s in the NL if he fell that far.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 16, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

He's actually pitched FOUR straight seasons of 200+ innings...

…and certain individuals have been calling him that name for years. But I agree with your assessment — Ryan Dempster deserves respect. I could even make an argument that his 2011 season, while not great, wasn’t as bad as many people have made it out to be.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no real issue with Dempster.

I’m not impressed by his 200 innings each year. It often seems to come in garbage time at the end of the season, often seeming to be low quality innings.

I am just as grateful for 190 innings of quality pitching as I would be of 205.

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Dec 15, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

We'll have to agree to disagree...

…on the value of 200+ innings with the peripherals Demp puts up. And it’s not his fault many of those innings come in “garbage time.”

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 15, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

When is he supposed to get 200 innings in May

If so that would be impressive. He is a great teammate and a leader. The only thing he is not is a #1 pitcher but that is this teams problem. We don’t have a #1 or a #3 or #4 batter for the past 4 years. But we always put players in those positions that cant play. if we had more players like Dempster this team would be above five hundred.

by lshaffer_69 on Dec 15, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You've missed the point with your sarcasm.

Certain pitchers get to 200 innings easier because they pitch deeper into games. Dempster is really a 5-6 inning pitcher who gives the occasional 7-8 inning start, and the occasional 3-4 inning start. So, my beef is that he has a tendency to go through the season not going deep into games, which leads inevitably to the coaching staff wedging an extra start in for him at the end of the season, or letting him go deeper into games than he should.

If Dempster can give us 5 good innings or so per start, I’d rather he only throw 175-190 innings. Let the ‘pen take over and do it’s job. It’s those occasions where the coaches treat him like a workhorse and his final few batters are ineffective that are a problem.

Dempster might be a great teammate. I’m not so convinced he’s a leader, but not everyone is. I like him (except the tired Harry Carey schtick) and am glad he’s been in the organization for the last number of years. But to your point, let’s use him like the player he is, not what he once was or what we (or he) want him to be.

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Dec 15, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

In 2011...

…24 of his 34 starts were at least six innings; 11 of the 34 were seven innings or more. So about a third of his starts were 7-8 innings. I guess you could call call that “occasional,” but I think it’s more fair to say he was a “6-7 inning pitcher” in 2011, which is pretty typical in this day and age.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 15, 2011 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, it's precise to say that he was a 6 inning pitcher.

That’s the actual breakdown. It is also accurate to say that he struggled overall last year. So, did he pitch well as a 6 inning pitcher? Might he have pitched better – with the team benefiting more – if he didn’t pitch quite as long in some of his starts?

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Dec 15, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, there were a few times...

…when Quade clearly should’ve taken him out a little earlier. Then again, I guess that’s always easy to say in retrospect. He didn’t have a great year, that’s for sure. But, at age 34, it wasn’t all that bad either — most of his peripheral numbers really weren’t that different from his last couple of seasons when his ERA was much more acceptable.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 16, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed.

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Dec 16, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

If he didnt pitch 6 + innings he would have been run out of town for not going deep enough

He had an off year and the rest of his career is not going to be much better then last year. One thing this team needs is leadership and I think he is one of the guys that stays on this team as a leader.

by lshaffer_69 on Dec 25, 2011 12:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Signing Fielder is almost a must.

Cubs are not going to win a WS without a big-time cleanup hitter. I am therefore convinced (Al, that means it’s my opinion (or two cents, whichever)) that Epstein will do everything he can to sign Fielder. It will set up the whole program.

by Bad Dogs on Dec 13, 2011 5:14 PM CST reply actions  

Agree

I can’t think of a more important signing considering the current state of the Cubs then getting Fielder. It would energize the fan base and get the team on the right track with Garza, Castro, and Fielder. Losing out on Price would be a big mistake.

by checkmate23 on Dec 13, 2011 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

is it ok to rec rec rec this?

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 13, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

This is some of the worst writing I have seen on BCB.

I enjoy this website because it's so interesting to see folks pole vaulting over mouse turds.

by BAMACOLONEL on Dec 13, 2011 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

it hurts the roof of my mouth

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 13, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

is that Tommy Dreamer?

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 13, 2011 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHA he does look extreme

"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker

by Eric16 on Dec 13, 2011 6:19 PM CST up reply actions  

You mention $2 beers

thats what my head feels like right now just like after I drink about 15 of them. My head is spinning after reading this. In other news, should I trade my all time favorite Jennifer Aniston for the smoking Mila Kunis!?

"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker

by Eric16 on Dec 13, 2011 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

Is it just me or does mila look like a slightly older version Of the oldest daughter on modern family?

by tomas21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

its def not just you

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 13, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions  

not sure never seen the show let me google it

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by Eric16 on Dec 13, 2011 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

yep I dont see it and if the Gloria girl on the show is who u are talking about

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by Eric16 on Dec 13, 2011 5:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh yes

My wife and I refer to her as “mini-Mila”.

Def hot. 20 years old too. So it isn’t weird. Lol.

Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson

by TheBeerBaron on Dec 15, 2011 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I traded the rights to Natalie Portman

For Mila Kunis back in 2004.

It was basically like the Beckett for Hanley deal. Just waited for her to blossom.

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by TheBeerBaron on Dec 15, 2011 2:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Fear and Loathing

The book > the movie.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 13, 2011 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I look forward to March

the first of the 3 Hunger Games movie.

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 PM CST up reply actions  

am I the only one that has no idea what this Hunger Games thing is all about?

In my younger days, I’d get worried/agitated/concerned/stressed out if there was something apparently very popular/trendy/in the news that I knew nothing about. These days though, I take comfort in it. One of the (few) benefits of getting older…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 7:58 AM CST up reply actions  

I didn't hear about it until recently myself

My wife turned me on to it. I am going to read it on the plane to and from Chicago for xmas.

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Except Forrest Gump...

way better movie than a book.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Dec 14, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

ADAM LIND!!!

Wait.. what are we doing?

"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.

by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 13, 2011 5:45 PM CST reply actions  

Hey it could be ERIC HANNA

this person just joined us so maybe he just made a new account to post this

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by Eric16 on Dec 13, 2011 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

it lacks caps locks

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 13, 2011 6:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, I forgot this.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 13, 2011 5:56 PM CST reply actions  

YGBFKM

ROFL

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 13, 2011 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh...I forgot about that stupid thing...

Can we please ban that from ever being posted on BCB again or at least give a warning? It is like watching someone weld without someone warning you to put on your mask…blinding.

by bazfan1234 on Dec 13, 2011 6:02 PM CST up reply actions  

it lacks glitter

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 13, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

They built that for Albert, you know.

And he scorned them.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 13, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

who what now?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Albert Pujols was never going to sign with Miami.

As a compassionate man of God, he couldn’t allow his gift to hit the home run to result in this unholiness taking place 40 times a season.

"The cheaper the hood, the gaudier the talk" - Philip Marlowe

by ForTheLoveOfBiitner on Dec 13, 2011 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Look TillChicagoWins...I don't know you...but allow me to fumigate my wisdom on you.

If you’re going to write stuff like this, the ONLY way you have any chance at all of pulling it off in a way which won’t get you attacked and made fun of or ever taken seriously…is to one or more of the following:

A) Include some fancy pictures/illustrations/gifs to distract the reader from what you actually write

2) Befriend someone much smarter than you and coerce them into making a joint account with you and help you write FanPosts

D) Buy me a pizza…

Ok, the last one will probably only get ME off your back…but trust me on the other tips.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 13, 2011 6:49 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Are you implying that Dan is the smart one?

I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.

by cub in louies nest on Dec 13, 2011 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

i just hope they dont start adopting kids

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 13, 2011 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This was my favorite part
its not like Jim Hendry would draft Wayne Gretzky’s son just to skate on the ice with his father, oh wait that did happen, fuck

Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Dec 13, 2011 7:48 PM CST reply actions  

Al, leave this on here for a while.

We all need a reason to smile. Besides who is this Tim Linsecum character? And why should we trade for him?

by jpeters407 on Dec 13, 2011 8:45 PM CST reply actions  

Is this the best offseason post of the year

or what?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 13, 2011 8:47 PM CST reply actions  

It's definitely in the running...

…as best off-season rant thus far.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

HA!

I hope this guy sticks around!

by AzCubfan24 on Dec 13, 2011 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

I hope he comes back.

The post-OP retort and resulting grenades are great entertainment.

by Tat14 on Dec 13, 2011 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

They can be.

There’s also a certain mystique to the Eric-Hanna-esque rants in which the OP releases his anguish and is never heard from again.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

only to have multiple follow up fanposts done

using the form of the mysterious one

Chronologically inept since 2060
Q: Why did Chuck Norris cross the road?
A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can kill two stones with one bird
It is better to spend money like there's no tomorrow than to spend tonight like there's no money! - Irish toast.

by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 14, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yawn.

Stopped reading after the first paragraph. By the looks of the comments, it looks like it continued it’s downward spiral. I’m tired of the Eric Hanna wanna-bes bring back the most legendary poster in BCB history! Stuff like this is just useless drivel.

by Dcr18 on Dec 13, 2011 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

when eric hanna returns to BCB in the CAPS-ture

the wanna-be’s will not be spared

THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)

by jesus christos on Dec 13, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Eric Hanna = Steve Bartman???

I just blew my own mind….

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by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 8:00 AM CST up reply actions  

someone logically explain this to me:
Soriano was never a 3rd 4th guy in the batting order

was i just incepted?

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Dec 13, 2011 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

I like Every aspect of everything

but my favorite is “the Beckett”.

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by Notsnud on Dec 13, 2011 11:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Reading the comments of others

is almost as good as the original post. This masterpiece should be forwarded to Jed and Theo so they can implement this plan right away.

by Grockcubs on Dec 14, 2011 7:48 AM CST reply actions  

You know what I love about this time of year?

Being able to buy egg nog flavored creamer for my coffee. I’m a slut for egg nog

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by Worf on Dec 14, 2011 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

Did you ever try egg nog flavored ice cream?

Not bad.

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by katie casey on Dec 14, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Drink of the Gods'

Eggnog White Russian with a floater of Baileys

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Dec 14, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

You may like

this recipe. I’ve made them before and they are pretty good. They also have recipes on there for eggnog cupcakes, scones, etc. but I have tried any of those yet.

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by katie casey on Dec 14, 2011 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I've made something like that before

I’ve got an egg nog fudge recipe that is basically an orgasm in a square as well

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by Worf on Dec 14, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

TillChicagoWins is mad at God.

Inspiring the Kicking of Tires Since November 2011...

by Mapanator on Dec 14, 2011 8:06 AM CST reply actions  

I have no idea what I just read

Sounded to me like you really like the Red Sox though.

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by BoilerUp1982 on Dec 14, 2011 8:38 AM CST reply actions  

I have to take issue with the last sentence
Now if the majority of our offseason money was spent on 2 GMs and some fliers on underperforming players that will be the great tragedy of the 2012 cubs season ticket holders like myself that even a second summer of 2 dollar beers can’t fix.

No, $2 beers can fix anything.

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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 14, 2011 8:55 AM CST reply actions  

Ya'll turn left now, ya hear?

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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 14, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Me-in-college agrees with you.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

We had quarter beer night Wednesday and Thursday in college

You could walk up to the bar tender and order four at a time. We just used to fill the whole table. They were like ten ounces but still – $5 night out in college.

…..but then again it was Macomb

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I went to a few of those.

I seem to recall even going to a dime beer night while visiting a friend at U of I once.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Ricketts, be warned:
A woman ran out to the Indians’ on-deck circle and flashed her breasts, and a naked man sprinted to second base as Grieve hit his second home run of the game.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

what's not to like?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 14, 2011 12:48 PM CST up reply actions  

best/worst i did was $0.01 pitchers of any Bud product

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by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Still overpriced.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2011 7:02 AM CST up reply actions  

$1.50 PBRs at Galway Bay

its a downstairs pub right at Diversey and Pine Grove.

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Now this is helpful

One comment about $2 beer and I start to get new intel on cheap drinking spots.

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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 14, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

and its a nice place

great jukebox, free popcorn and on the average day you can walk in with a pizza and no one cares.

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah kinda a dive

but better then running into the frat crowd at say Durkins for a $6 beer

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

whole heartedly agree

Galway is the only bar in that part of the city I like to go to. Good music ( that’s not too loud), good beer and good people. And great bartenders too.

by El Borto on Dec 14, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah the guy who used to own it

Kieran moved back to Ireland to be with a sick parent. He sold it to the bartenders though. I think Jason and Login??

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

The syntax and grammar of this post

It’s like Yoda got drunk and had sex with Jar Jar Binks and they both shouted what to do about the Cubs while having sex and Mike Greenberg narrated.

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by Worf on Dec 14, 2011 10:17 AM CST reply actions  

UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH - THE IMAGERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - UUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Drunken rant?

What the hell is this? For one, I’d like to point out that I’d definitely rather have Mike Napoli or Josh Hamilton over Prince Fielder, they put up just as great of numbers, and aren’t fat so they are technically more useful. And as far as going all out for a pitching ace… why? For all we know, Garza could go apeshit on the NL next year and be a Cy contender, we see it all the time nowadays, pitchers that came out of bloody nowhere to become dominant, like a Johan Santana, a Josh Johnson, or a Clayton Kershaw (although I have no idea what his prospect rankings were beforehand, I’m going out on a limb here, feel free to correct).

Trade Castro for Lincecum? Yea ok, welcome to reality bud

And cold weather pitching? It can’t get that cold during the summer, and Garza played in Minny for two years, can’t get much colder than that…

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by bmasson11 on Dec 14, 2011 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

I like the way you think
Garza could go apeshit on the NL next year and be a Cy contender

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by Hammer on Dec 14, 2011 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

He could, you never know

Would we consider Garza an ace today? Probably not… Could he potentially become one? Possibly, he’s shown he has the skills… Does that mean we should go out and instantly buy or trade for an ace this offseason? Hell no, let’s be smart about this, people easily become too arrogant and stubborn and don’t look at the big picture, they look for immediate results. I’d rather Theo and Jed built a dynasty than a one-year wonder.

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by bmasson11 on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Your point about Josh Hamilton...

…is highly suspect given how many games he’s missed over the last three seasons. Or even over his entire career. Hamilton has played a “full” season (let’s say 155+ games) only once. Prince has done it six straight seasons.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Prince also plays first base

probably the least demanding position in baseball/NL, so his good injury record is somewhat expected. But it’s obvious who tries to keep in shape more, and it’s not like Prince is the most versatile first baseman out there. Unless Prince gets off the Big Mac diet and starts shedding the weight, I wouldn’t put any guarantee on his future health

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by bmasson11 on Dec 14, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

And first base is a position of need for the Cubs right now.

Technically at least, center or right field isn’t. Prince has consistently shown an ability to stay healthy at that position so I think he’s more useful to the team than Hamilton or Napoli for that matter.

And I’d need to see some clear evidence that Prince has an expressly unhealthy diet. I think what you see is what you get with Prince. He’s a big guy; he’s always going to be a big guy; and it’s unrealistic to think he’s ever going to slim down to any discernible degree. I agree that that’s one of the risks of signing him. But given the market for young sluggers in their prime production years, it’s a risk you’ve got to take — or at least try to take.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Point well made sir

I guess I can’t really argue with that. The only thing I’m willing to argue is that, I’m not someone who would want to sign Fielder to anything more than 5-7 years, I guess if we could get him for that timespan, then it would be worth it, but after the Pujols signing for 10 yrs/254 mil., do you think he’s going to ask for anything remotely less than 8 years?

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by bmasson11 on Dec 14, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I've guessed all along...

…that Prince and Boras are going to start at eight years and then perhaps be negotiated down with higher dollar amounts per year. If the Cubs can get him for 6 years, $150 million, they should probably go for it. They may have to include an option for a seventh year. Five years would definitely be ideal, but you’d probably have to pay him a ridiculous amount per year.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Garza played in Minny for two years, can’t get much colder than that

Except when Garza was with the Twins, their home field was the Metrodome. Last year was the first year his home park was an outdoor park.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 14, 2011 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the twins stadium was domed.

And Napoli is not better than fielder.

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by Notsnud on Dec 14, 2011 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

I'm guessing this is a reply...

and your correct, Twins were still under the tarp, the idea of the Twins playing under the dome has faded nearly from everyone’s train of thought nowadays. And honestly, even though Fielder puts up good numbers now, I feel like I’m the only one who thinks that, he just isn’t one who keeps his body healthy and in tip top shape (hence the reason he’s fat), I don’t think it’s worth signing him for long term on huge cash with that in mind, I’d rather wait for a better market than take on that contract, I understand the point of winning and success, but it’s not like baseball is going to disappear after next year, there will be better opportunities to go after than Fielder…

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by bmasson11 on Dec 14, 2011 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Not so sure about your last point, at least from a Free Agency perspective
but it’s not like baseball is going to disappear after next year, there will be better opportunities to go after than Fielder…

In terms of impact offensive players, who’s gonna be out there down the road?

Kemp just got tied up long term. Ditto with Pujols, Reyes, CarGo, Tulo, AGonz, Braun, Miggy, JUpton, HRam.

Robinson Cano could be a FA in 2013, but Yanks have 15M option. Ditto on David Wright, Mets having a 16M option. Votto and Ryan Zimmerman won’t be FAs until 2014.

BJ Upton? Josh Hamilton?

I suppose some of the above could be attainable via trade, but it would pretty much empty out our relatively barren farm to begin with.

If we don’t sign Fielder, I’d say our “slugger” window just got shut a lot more for the foreseeable future. Which could force us to go all in on pitching & defense. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but I’d just feel a lot better if we reel in Fielder now (and for the next 6 years) and then focus on pitching & defense.

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by ballhawk on Dec 14, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yup.

Scott Boras has (famously?) said that Prince is the last young free-agent slugger on the market until Mike Stanton is eligible…in 2017. And I haven’t read anyone refute this.

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by daver on Dec 14, 2011 11:56 AM CST up reply actions  

We need to sign Fielder

It cant be any worse than the other stupid signings like Soriano, Bradley, Fukudome, do I need to keep going. Sign Fielder now, along with Darvish

by Obie on Dec 14, 2011 11:30 AM CST reply actions  

My favorite line
So now I’m going to say something crazy,

From the third paragraph.
No Dude you started off crazy and went downhill from there.

And where are you? – It doesn’t seem right when someone leaves a steamy pile of crap and doesn’t have the cajones to stick around to defend it.

by El Borto on Dec 14, 2011 11:45 AM CST reply actions  

This is too good to be true

I call fake.

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by AussieCub on Dec 15, 2011 6:51 PM CST reply actions  

Funny, I don't remember her...

…from the most recent edition of Guinness Book of World Records.

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by daver on Dec 16, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

no

big moves this year.theo will not do it the jim hendry way.how’s that soriano big move working out 5 yrs later.

by NOMAR on Dec 24, 2011 6:52 AM CST reply actions  

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