Cafardo: Cubs' bid on Darvish 'very low'
Also, Fielder might not be in the cards because Theo wants to build from within, Cafardo says. I'd be disappointed if this is all true, but I wouldn't be shocked, either.
Important to note that this is not a context-low tweet.
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If Theo thinks that, I wonder how smart Theo really is
Nothing wrong with building from within, but when something so obvious and so apparent fits in with your plan, you have to take it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I would tend to agree with you, NBF.
But … many of us are guessing that Fielder would accept a deal that we find acceptable. The Scott Boras factor is something we’re sort of discounting.
If, say, Fielder signs with Seattle for nine years, I’m not going to be upset that the Cubs didn’t make a similar offer. Such a deal probably isn’t in the best interest of the team.
The Rizzo factor could change things, but Cafardo’s been making these points since before the Latos trade.
I dunno. I still have a feeling Fielder will be a Cub.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I do, too
I get the whole idea of not telegraphing your moves. We’ll soon see if this is for real or just a classic case of misdirection.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
I get the whole idea of not telegraphing your moves.
This could apply to just about any of the rumors we have heard.
Not specifically to you, NBF, but to anyone here: consider the possibility that various reports we hear, on this issue and others, could have been floated by various baseball executives, for various reasons, to baseball reporters.
If you think this doesn’t happen all the time, think again.
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I think you have to look at Rizzo as a big oppty
youth and talent. that is the direction. Look for a constant effort in incremental improvement like the Maholm or Stewart moves and the desire this year to rid the Cubs of the heavy liabilities like Soriano or if opportunity knocks, Zambrano in June/July. But this team is so unbalanced, so un-baseball un-athletic that it will take time.
Fielder is another fool’s gold…let someone else pay $25M for 8-10 years…Cubs need pitching.
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I wish I knew what to believe.
Some of these writers imply the Cubs are being cheap. Others say they’re “all in”. Some say the Cubs are “front-runners” for Fielder; Dale Sveum says the team hasn’t even talked to him.
This is why I prefer to wait for actual facts.
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The trouble with Twitter (and others like it)
is that it mucks up things sometimes more than it clarifies them.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 18, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Cafardo didn't tweet today.
This was an honest-to-goodness, old-fashioned newspaper article.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Yes, it was.
But it didn’t really advance the conversation. Does it say definitively exactly what the Cubs bid?
No, it does not. It quotes “major-league sources”. Which is essentially what all the writers tweeting do.
Now, some of these sources could be right. Some aren’t. The only difference between this report and a tweet is the length of the article.
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well you have to respect the Boston Globe more than twitter
you have to believe the national baseball writer has some sources…..he was right about Pujols, the Cubs were never a factor, he appears to be right about Darvish, the Cubs from all reports are not the high bidder and our own manager on Friday said we are not seriously talking to Fielder…..so……….
Sveum may have said that to try and keep the bidding down.
Only when Fielder is signed we know for sure. The rest is just speculation to give us something to do over the winter.
Other national writers tweeted differently.
From “all” reports? Really?
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i've not seen report
that suggests the Cubs are the highest bidder on Darvish.
My point is
… that just because you have not seen such a report, doesn’t mean they aren’t.
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And it doesn't mean they are!
Seriously Al, just because you want something to happen doesn’t mean that every report discounting it is untrue. It sounds like, in all likelihood, that the Cubs did not win Darvish. We know you wanted them to get him, but it SOUNDS like they did not. And yes, we know these are only “reports,” but these “reports” are all we have.
by mic on Dec 18, 2011 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I heard Pujols is with the Angels now
if you want a religious discussion.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 18, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
And to think, he was almost sleeping with the fishes...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
And he was with the Cardinals.
Hmmm….
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while upsetting his wife
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Funny thing about this whole Fielder situation to me is
am I alone in thinking that if Hendry was still GM, Fielder would already have a 10 year deal with a full no trade with the Cubs?
Gotta give Theo credit, takes major stones to do a complete rebuild in a big market like this (although I’m starting to wonder if Theo realizes Chicago is a big market). I have my doubts about how smart it is, but you have to respect a guy that has a plan and sticks to it. He could look like a genius, or he could be on the fast track to getting booed in public
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I think Hendry would have given it to Pujols
by LT on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Theo, major market?
you guys are thinking like fans…fanatics…I think he has a plan
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Saying that the Cubs' bid on Darvish was 'very low' ...
and citing sources advances the conversation in my book. I doubt I’m alone in that.
You can advance the conversation without ENDING the conversation.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
You've missed my point.
Which is, no one has written about actual facts.
So what is it we are having a conversation about? Rumors and speculation.
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I haven't missed the point in the slightest.
I just think your definition of ‘actual facts’ is pretty limiting.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Really now.
The “actual fact” I am interested in is: which team wins the bid for Darvish, and how much it was.
We aren’t really anywhere close to that. See RynoRooter’s post below for an example of what I’m talking about.
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I definitely understand your point here, Al.
But if we only worked in absolutes here, you’d run a pretty boring blog. It seems weird to me that you are almost trying to diminish the conversations we have about this stuff simply because it isn’t fact.
No, it isn’t fact, but that’s why so many people here and baseball fans everywhere love hot stove season. Anything is possible, and anything that is possible is talked “reported” at some point.
by bdlugz on Dec 18, 2011 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Yeah, I see your point.
I’m not trying to “diminish conversation”, only trying to point out that when we hear things about the same issue that say things that are complete polar opposites, we should take ALL of them with a skeptical eye.
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Wait - that's an absolute
Are you a Sith?
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 18, 2011 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
Well....
I’m pretty sure the Yankees won’t sign him. Too much hair.
Yeah, but if you sign Chewie...
…you gotta sign Han Solo to talk him down every time he gets upset out there.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure the conversation is advanced at all
If anything, we’re back to square one. We now have people “with sources” saying the Cubs bid very aggressively and “would not be surprised at all if they won the bid”, along with Cafardo who says “the Cubs bid was very low”. All of it is worth discussing, but none of it should get anyone excited/disappointed.
by RynoRooter on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
DINGDINGDING!
Winner.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 18, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, but you also have to consider the source
Has any reputable writer written that the Cubs bid was high? Meanwhile, Cafardo is a respected writer that has an obvious connection with Epstein.
Not to mention the fact that what Cafardo is reporting, is in lock step with what Theo has said is their plan since the day he took the job.
I think many people (including myself) have just assumed that the Cubs would HAVE to spend money, because of their market, and because they need to sell tickets. But other than that, there really has been no evidence pointing to the fact that they’ll hand out a big contract. In fact, it’s the exact opposite.
Recovering...
by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
this info wasn't from twitter
it was from the Boston Globe’s national baseball writer, big difference, I tend to believe what he has said in his column…….especially given Theo is from Boston.
Let's be clear.
Information doesn’t come “from twitter”. It comes from writers tweeting.
In this case, as I noted above, the only difference is the length of the article.
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but there are no standards on what you post on twitter
we all can post anything on twitter, there are normally standards on what you write in a major paper, unless you are Phil Rogers who just makes stuff up.
Your point is taken.
Nevertheless, Cafardo is a national writer, so are many of the others who have tweeted information.
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If you think the papers/companies employing these people don't monitor their twitter
You’re likely wrong. I assume they have set rules/standards for what they can and can not tweet.
Absolutely.
Most major media companies have such policies in place.
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Twitter is like reading just the Headline of an article
That can be very misleading.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 18, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
'Actual facts'?
Respectfully, the only thing that would seem to qualify in your mind as an “actual fact” — based on your recent comments — is an announcement from the team.
Maybe I’m wrong on this. If I am, what would qualify as an actual fact?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
No, you're not wrong.
In this case, yes, an announcement from the team would be “actual facts”.
Until then, EVERYONE is speculating. You. Me. All the writers. Everyone.
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If you really think that, then debating with you is pointless.
But you’re just so wrong on this. Were Woodward and Bernstein speculating about Watergate? It’s not like they were handed a press release from the WH press office.
Now, I know that the reporting by those two was more substantial than a lot of these reports. And I know the subject matter was a helluva lot more important.
But to say that everything other than an official announcement is speculation is just … well, wrong headed.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What's the point of doing this sort of reporting?
Create discussion, I guess. It’s ultimately meaningless.
My opinion, nothing more.
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I'm going to ask you this, and I'm sorry if it offends.
Would you think it’s meaningless if it fit within your hoped-for result?
I ask because you had a fanshot the other day when your favorite reporter, Phil Rogers, tweeted that the Cubs put a bid on Darvish. Why was that news and this isn’t?
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 8 recs
"Hoped-for result"?
What is that?
Yes, I’d like to see the Cubs get Darvish. I have read some information, as I am sure you have, that says someone at the Cubs thought they bid high and “wouldn’t be surprised” if they won it.
This doesn’t tell me very much at all.
I posted the tweet from Rogers because it was the first thing anyone had really heard about Darvish, AND at the time, there was other information out that indicated a winner might be announced within a few hours.
That hasn’t happened. Instead, we have many conflicting reports. Honestly, I’m tired of hearing all of that.
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I'm tired of this debate.
It’s pointless. Bye.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
by elgato on Dec 18, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
You posted it because you wanted it to be true.
And you renounce any other information that says otherwise.
by mic on Dec 18, 2011 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Then why did you post it?
Since you love to claim that you’ll wait until there are “actual facts”
You’re ridiculously inconsistent to what suits your mood at the time.
by Nunyabidness on Dec 18, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Then just lock these threads, Al.
That’d be better than you dismissing everyone who comes here to discuss the possible ramifications if these reports are true. Pretty much every comment in this thread has come with qualifiers. No one’s taking this as gospel.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Dec 18, 2011 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ding. Ding. Ding.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Dec 18, 2011 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Create controversy
The 2nd goal for “writers”. 1st is expounding on controversy.
They have an opinion (and like we all know what Dirty Harry thinks about opinions) and well…lets just leave it at that.
Just win the next game...!
Watergate? Really?
You’re comparing speculation on who signs with what team to the largest investigative reporting coup of the 20th century? Seriously?
It’s one thing to uncover facts someone wants to keep hidden (for obvious reasons) about the President of the United States running a burglary ring out of the White House. It’s quite another when teams are or aren’t talking about who’s signing or in negotiations.
A little perspective here, please, as well as an appreciation of the fundamentally different nature of the stories involved.
Did you see this:
Now, I know that the reporting by those two was more substantial than a lot of these reports. And I know the subject matter was a helluva lot more important.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
So what? It was an example.
And he used qualifiers. So what’s the big deal?
Analogies are COMPARISONS by definition. They don’t have to have the same gravitas.
No offense, but it amazes me when people get up in arms about something like like that.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 18, 2011 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
disagree
we are speculating that the write has factual information or not, that does not mean that the writer is or is not reporting facts. for all we know the write was told by RIcketts himself that the bid was low, just to throw our names in the hat, and he was asked not to admit such. Basically, we should not strictly dismiss it based on what we believe is true or not, but rather take it with a grain of salt
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To be fair
They could be front runners for Fielder only talking to Boras. Not talking to Fielder could be true.
I hate the term "front-runners"
… applied to situations like this.
This is not a horse race or election.
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Plus someone always swoops in on the front-runner.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 18, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Agents
Lets not forget that agents are part of the whole communication picture here. At times, it may seem like reporters are making stuff up, but we need to remember that agents have a vested interest in driving up their player’s perceived demand.
Didn't Dale say they have not talked to Fielder
but they have talked to his agent? Maybe everything is going through Boras and there is no need to talk to Prince just yet. I really have no idea how these things work so it’s just guessing on my part.
Ummmmm
isn’t Cafardo a Red Sox beat writer? I’ll take that with a grain of salt as I have with all the others yammering.
I’m with Al, I’ll wait for actual facts from those that really know.
What would qualify as an 'actual fact'?
I’ll ask you the same question I asked Al.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I swear, this website is nothing but arguing
About tweets and speculation. Isn’t that kind of what the offseason and hot stove talk is all about?…this is a blog. Some need to stop acting like its a news, and official announcement website.
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by bilbosbuttons on Dec 18, 2011 11:07 AM CST via mobile reply actions 9 recs
That's exactly right.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
as soon as i saw this fanpost i knew exactly what the comments were going to be
kind of sad, really
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
That's an excellent point.
And I’ve contributed to the pattern. For all the talk about how reports like this one are pointless, debating with the posters who think said reports are pointless is what is truly, unequivocally pointless.
Consider this my retirement announcement on the matter.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
did the post use facts
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well said
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Yep. This kind of stuff is worse than annoying-it's boring.
It’s the curse of the 24 hour news cycle: way too much space to fill with way too little information.
by bluekoolaide on Dec 18, 2011 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
Awww heck, but it is kinda fun...
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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 18, 2011 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
What about woofers?
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What is Cafardo's problem?
He has been ripping the Cubs for like two weeks now. Some bad blood with Theo?
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Entirely possible.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 18, 2011 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Most of the Boston media
are upset with the Cubs over the whole Epstein thing. And that the Cubs didn’t hand over Matt Garza or Starlin Castro as compensation.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 18, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
that involves the angle or perspective of the off season
not that facts are the foundation. Listen BOSOX nation is pissed Theo left. Whatever, they play in the AL East….and the compensation issue will eventually go to arbitration in the league office like any divorce….rationale left out the bathroom window….
As for Darvish, come on….Epstein and Hoyer have to gain capital and permission with the Ricketts, not the fans or the sportswriters first. They have to be financially smart. Ricketts said that the resources are determined by the revenue stream so they go to get down to flexibility….rid the Cubs of Soriano and Z, not load much more. Incrementally improve the team and wait for real oppty’s.
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This report doesn't make it true
But it doesn’t make it not true either. I just want to come here to debate what the report says not whether it’s true or not.
Go for it.
I have never shut down discussion of these reports.
But don’t complain when MY part of the discussion says, “I don’t think this means anything.”
That’s as valid an opinion as anyone else’s.
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It's fair to debate the credibility of the source, though
In this case, Cafardo’s a Red Sox guy who was banging the drum that the Red Sox would get significant compensation for Epstein (i.e. Brett Jackson, Trey McNutt). He clearly talks to guys in the Red Sox FO, but whether or not he has credible sources within the Cubs organization seems like a dubious claim. Considering the bids for Darvish were sealed, the only way he would know how much the Cubs bid would be to have someone on the inside with the Cubs.
It’d be like Bruce Levine writing about what the Yankees bid for Darvish. People would take it with a substantial grain of salt.
by Outshined_One on Dec 18, 2011 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
Well, if Jim Hendry left the Cubs to be the gm for the Yankees, that would make the report a lot more believable, wouldn't it?
Not sure why people wanna bash Cafardo. I haven’t seen him rip anybody. He obviously has a relationship with Theo, and he’s simply been reporting what he knows about the Cubs intentions. Saying that the Cubs bid was low is not Cubs bashing.
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by Juiceboxjerry on Dec 18, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I never said it was Cubs bashing
I just said that it should be taken with a substantial grain of salt.
by Outshined_One on Dec 18, 2011 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
This would be more like if...
Bruce Levine wrote about a bid of a team that Jim Hendry now works for (hypothetical example).
Which is to say, the source might still be credible.
I wasn't bashing you
I don’t think it means anything either. It’s just another report leading us around in circles not knowing what’s going on.
Al, you are entitled to your opinion
and whether I agree or disagree, I respect your opinion. I don’t have a problem when you say “I don’t think this means anything.” In situations like this, is it possible you could elaborate on why you don’t think this means anything? Not saying you are disrespectful. As a show of your respect, you even point out that Cafardo’s opinion is as valid as Rogers or any other baseball writer. I think you might even show even more respect if you could further explain your position.
Just my opinion. I apologize if you are offended.
by Northside Matt on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
As noted elsewhere in this thread...
… Cafardo seems to have a bug up his butt about Theo Epstein leaving the Red Sox. Now, this doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but could it be that he wrote something deliberately negative about Theo and the Cubs for that reason?
I had read elsewhere that there was at least one Cubs source cited as saying that he thought the Cubs might have won the bid. (Sorry, can’t find that link right now.)
And this morning’s article by Danny Knobler says the information about the bid is “so tightly held” that it’s likely that most of the speculation is just that, speculation.
Until we find out, tonight, ALL of us are just guessing.
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Was what Cafardo wrote "anti-Cub"
That is the part that I am not seeing here. It isn’t as if he made the Cubs front office out to be a bunch of bumbling idiots who couldn’t figure out whether or how much to bid… for example.
Rather, he simply states that his sources indicate that they submitted a small non-competitive bid.
In the end, if he is wrong, he has egg on his face and looks like an idiot. That doesn’t mean I take his report with any more gravity than any of the many reports we have seen. But, to imply that he wrote what he did because he has an axe to grind with Epstein, or that he is somehow hurt he left seems to lack credibility.
Eamus Ursuli!
Of course Cafardo didn't write that, specifically.
However, I have read (can’t remember where now) that Cafardo does have an axe to grind with Epstein.
Many mainstream writers write with agendas, personal or otherwise. That’s a fact.
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Did he say that he couldn't cover the Cubs, but he could cover the 2007 World Series Champions?
Ok, Ok, that is ALL joking. But it seemed too good to pass up.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Sure.
We all have our own biases, not just mainstream journalist.
Perhaps Cafardo does have an axe to grind with Epstein. However, that doesn’t explain why he would simply make up a story that the Cubs have a low-ball bid in for Darvish. That story doesn’t really make Epstein look bad, it doesn’t make the Cubs look bad organizationally, and, if he is wrong, he looks like a fool.
Clearly, there are lots of “sources” saying lots of different things.
Joeby-one-kenobi is pretty sure the bid is for $53M.
Bleacher Nation hears the bid was “competitive”.
Rogers wrote this am:
I was the first to confirm the Cubs’ bid last week, but the major league baseball source with information on the Cubs’ process described it in a way that it could be considered more of a token bid than one designed to obtain bargaining rights.
So, what do we have? not much clarity, but trying to read any sort of malicious intent on the part of the bloggers/reporters seems misguided.
Eamus Ursuli!
Just posting those three sources...
… indicates to me that no one really knows for sure. Those contradict each other. One could be right. Or none. We just don’t know.
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Well, now that the Bears' season is officially in the crapper...
…I’m ready for Hoy-Stein to “shock” me. And reading this thread, it ain’t sounding to promising.
Happy Holidays to all BCBers...be safe.
Who knows?
We’ll find out the facts in a day or two.
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Is Joeby someone who is supposedly in the know?
by Nunyabidness on Dec 18, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
He was on point with many of the draft signings before they were announced.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
As far as the numbers go, or just that we would sign them?
by Nunyabidness on Dec 18, 2011 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
I don't recall if he had the numbers.
I don’t think he did. Just that we would sign them, I guess. It seemed like he had a reliable source who knew what was going on in regards to that.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I remember that
He was on top of a lot of the Cubs’ signings in the draft before they were announced, especially the ones that came out of left field, such as with guys like Shoulders and Jensen.
He was pretty much dead-on in predicting who the Cubs ended up signing. He didn’t have the signing bonus numbers, though, if I remember correctly.
by Outshined_One on Dec 18, 2011 5:06 PM CST up reply actions
Don't you mean...
…this thread? His comment is toward the bottom.
It would seem Joeby is emerging as a sort of anti-Eric-Hanna.
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The reference was to
Joeby’s oracular abilities in predicting draft signings, not his recent comment on Darvish.
Oh, I see.
Well, anyone curious about his Darvish prediction can click my link.
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how do i start following joeby
on daver?
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Just bookmark my profile.
I’ll be “RDing” every damn thing Joeby says if this Darvish thing comes true.
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by daver on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, not to get everyone excited, but...
…watching ESPN News about 45 minutes ago, it was scrolled across the bottom that the winning bid was $53M…it just didn’t say who it was.
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i'd be intrigued
but it is ESPN
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 18, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
I saw this report too.
They didn’t even say where they got that information.
I’ll be very interested to hear the facts when they come out and whether they jibe with all the stuff that’s already been tweeted, scrolled, etc.
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Well, we'll find out tomorrow night at the latest
by Josh Timmers on Dec 18, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
Tuesday
They said they would announce on Tuesday.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
Yep
Tomorrow night is Tuesday in Japan.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 AM CST up reply actions
Fielder!
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
Or a runner
;-)
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 AM CST up reply actions
You mean "Yu's-Day."
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Which leads to an interesting
musical comment I once made. When RJ Dio died, the news broke 9:20 PM Central time. Assuming he was in Europe at the time, I said “He died tomorrow.”
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If it is 53M,
then why the hell do we want the Cubs to win?
That sounds like a gigantic waste of money JUST to negotiate with a guy. Only way it makes sense (on top of a contract) is if he becomes a Halladay/Lee/Sabathia type pitcher.
he's too sexy for the Cubs....surrounded by musical notes
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Maybe the Rays will emerge as a mystery team...
…and Yu will take his turn on the catwalk.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
If the Cubs bid is 53 mil and they win, then
Al you should hire that Joey kid to be the new Deep Goat.
I hope the offer is "low"
Darvish is only worth it if the money is right. If teams like the Rangers or Blue Jays feel the need to overpay because of where their teams are at this moment, fine, that’s their business. But if you’re the Cubs, what’s the point of spending $55M (or more) on the posting fee, setting an expectation that the salary will be somewhere in the $10M range as well, making him a $21M+ /year investment?
That’s a pretty big gamble to take for a team that still has holes at 1B, 3B and OF.
And yes, I get the argument that you spend when you have the opportunity to get guys on the roster for the next 5-6 years when you will be competitive. But the track record of Japanese pitchers in MLB doesn’t exactly breed a ton of hope that Darvish’s best years are 2013, 2014 and 2015. Maybe he’ll buck the trend, maybe not; either way, $21M or more a season is too big of a gamble.
Where it would make sense is if they posted closer to $30M, paid him closer to $8M, and had a very expensive—but not crazy expensive—addition to the rotation. If other teams are willing to go so far beyond that and take a $20M annual gamble for the next 5 or 6 years, so be it.
I think the Cubs are pretty set at third and in the OF.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Do you really?
I know they made the trade for Stewart in anticipation of having him play 3rd, but the guy hit below .200 last year after hitting .256, .228 and .259 in his three prior seasons. Yeah, he could rebound and be Theo’s Cubs version of the Big Papi signing, but in realistic scenarios we are going to have a very sub-par offensive third baseman.
And you consider an outfield “set” when it still boasts Soriano in LF and Byrd in CF? Even take your rosiest Brett Jackson scenario for 2012, you still think we’re set with him, DeJesus and Soriano/Byrd?
You see doughnuts, all I see are holes.
by Orval Overall on Dec 19, 2011 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping that what El means by that is he doesn't think the team is going to be going
other OF or 3B position players this year. Because yeah, you can’t look at who we have for those positions and think “yeah, we’re totally good”
by Nunyabidness on Dec 19, 2011 3:56 PM CST up reply actions
I simply meant ...
that with Stewart acquired and four outfielders for three spots (I’m counting Jackson) that the Cubs don’t have a lot of spots to acquire more outfielders or another 3B.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
What other 3B could you possibly see us acquiring?
If Stewart bounces back to his ‘09-’10 number than he’ll be a deceent 3B, especially considering the improved defense at the position.
That wasn't my point.
They’re going with Stewart, that’s obvious (or mabe Stewart and Baker in a L/R platoon). My point was simply that adding Yu at a real high $$$ number doen’t make then 2012 contenders; and the track record of Japanese pitchers coming over here makes it tough to say “Well, ok, we’ll pay him in 2012 and 2013 because he’ll still be a stud when we’re ready to compete.”
by Orval Overall on Dec 20, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
I’d rather sign a regular free agent starter for the amount minus the posting price. Someone who has proven himself in the majors.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Dec 19, 2011 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
I hate things like these supposed scoops that are impossible to prove whether or not they are true.
I’d love to see the Cubs land Prince one of the reasons being is the spin the writers come up with as to why they were wrong especially when the circumstances they sited as to why it wouldn’t happen are still true. If the Cubs sign Fielder what is this guy going to come up with as to why? The Cubs aren’t going to change their mind overnight.
And signing Prince to a long deal doesn’t even mean they aren’t rebuilding. He’d be the centerpiece of the start and the team when it wins. He’s not going to be out there in 2-3 years.
For example this the Cubs will or will not go after Fielder
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