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Cubs Legends on Studio 42 with Bob Costas

Tonight the MLB Network will air a one-hour interview with Ferguson Jenkins, Ryne Sandberg and Andre Dawson tonight at 8pm Central Time. A lot of it is stuff that hard-core Cubs fans have heard before, but it's probably worth watching anyway. (Full disclosure: The MLB Network sent me an advance DVD copy of the program.)

First of all, it's Fergie, Ryno and the Hawk. If you are the type of Cub fan that needs to check this blog regularly, you know you're going to watch it. The interview was conducted in Cooperstown this July during the Hall of Fame ceremonies. Costas asks them what getting inducted into Cooperstown means to all of them and was it diminished in any way because of the wait that all three of them had to go through.

Costas then asks about Cub fans and the "Curse," although to be fair, it does seem like Costas is just using "curse" as a shorthand for the losing streak. He goes into some depth about the "near misses," although he doesn't go into any real depth as to why they missed, more just going into what these three legends were feeling at the time. All three say they plan to be there when the Cubs win the World Series. I do also give Sandberg some credit for at one point stepping up and saying that Cub fans are tired of the "lovable loser" title.

Most of the rest of the hour is devoted to anecdotes about managers they have played for, Harry Caray and singing the Seventh Inning Stretch and big moments in each of their three careers. For Sandberg, that's naturally the "Sandberg Game" that Costas himself did play-by-play for. For Dawson, that was the Collusion Year of 1987 and for Jenkins, bizarrely enough, it was being the starting pitcher for Ten Cent Beer Night in Cleveland in 1974. Unsurprisingly, Jenkins tells the best stories, although contrary to what he claims, the Indians forfeit that night in Cleveland did not cost him a win. The Texas bullpen had already blown the lead by the time of the forfeit. Sandberg tells about a managing lesson he learned from Don Zimmer and Dawson talks about playing in Wrigley and Fenway.

None of it is hard-hitting. It's a friendly chit-chat with retired Hall of Famers. Sometimes I wish Costas would have acknowledged that Sandberg and Jenkins were teammates at the end of Fergie's career (Would it have been so hard to ask what he thought of his skinny third baseman in 1982?) or that Sandberg actually played his first games for the Phillies. Because the interview was conducted months ago, there is nothing on current Cub events, although Jenkins does praise the Ricketts family for heading the team in the right direction.

But as I said earlier, it's Fergie, Ryno and the Hawk. You really don't need much more reason to watch than that. Those three could read the hog futures and you'd probably watch. I will say this is much more entertaining than that.

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No one can beat Orion Samuelson

with the hog futures.

♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫

by katie casey on Dec 19, 2011 7:41 AM CST reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken

… that picture was taken May 25, 1982, when Fergie struck out Garry Templeton in San Diego for his 3000th career K.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 AM CST reply actions  

You are amazing at figuring that stuff out.

Are you going write any of those puzzling guess the player or guess the game detective type posts this winter? Some of the details people noticed in those were truly astounding.

♪ He held me very tight under stars so bright and whispered darlin' "Who do you love tonight?" I told him "baseball, baseball...." ♫

by katie casey on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 AM CST up reply actions  

If I can find some older photos

… that I haven’t used before, sure, why not?

About this photo, I recognized San Diego’s old ballpark, and there would have been little reason for AP to take a photo of Fergie in 1982, when the Cubs were a bad team and the Padres not much better, if not for that event.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 19, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Fergie From June 14 On In 1982

was 11-7 with a 3.04 ERA. He wasn’t as dominating as he was in 1971, but he was still a good pitcher. I can remember 1982. I can’t remember Fergie’s go-round with the Cubs. Because of 1982, I can honestly say that I can remember Fergie as a good pitcher with the Cubs. Though, I can’t remember his true glory days with the club.

Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.

by memphiscub on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Jenkins...

… had a bad year in 1981 and no one was interested in signing him as a free agent. He had turned 39 in December 1981 and many thought he was going to retire.

His agent contacted Dallas Green and told Green that Fergie still had something left. Green signed him to a $300,000 deal and Jenkins had a fine year in 1982, getting that 3000th strikeout in a Cubs uniform.

He regressed in 1983. Green gave him one last shot to make the team out of spring training in 1984, but he was terrible. I saw Fergie pitch in a spring training game in ’84. He had nothing left. Too bad — if he did, he could have been the only one of the late ’60s era Cubs to make the playoffs as a Cub. As it turned out, he never played in the postseason at all.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 19, 2011 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

The two dingers he gave up in one game to Mets pitcher Walt Terrell...

…gave us final confirmation that Fergie was done in ’83.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 20, 2011 8:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Fergie has a strange resemblance to Lee Smith in that photo

I kept looking for a mention of Smith in the article before I read the whole caption on the picture. There’s something about the wingspan and that arm slot

by subtle on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions  

No Ernie, No Billy?

I don’t know if Ernie Banks and Billy Williams weren’t available for the interview, but if you were going to pick 3 Cubs Hall of Famers to interview it would be Ernie, Billy, and Ryno. That’s just because Dawson and Jenkins played so much of their careers elsewhere.

Maybe, Dawson and Jenkins were chosen because they both played with Ryno. That’s the only thing I can figure.

Good things come to those who wait... and wait....and wait.

by memphiscub on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST reply actions  

Sounds good

I would watch these 3 talk if it was about the pressing underwear shortage in Bora Bora and hosted by Jim Belushi.

Talk about baseball hosted by Bob Costas I’m there!

(please note I don’t know if there is an underwear shortage in Bora Bora)

Nothing happens unless it's first a dream

by puckishcubsfan on Dec 19, 2011 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

Costas is great, but he made one error...

Saying Sandberg played his whole career with the Cubs. He had a brief call-up with the Phillies in September 1981.

by jeffmills1972 on Dec 19, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

Will they be running this again later tonight?

All I got was the last five minutes :(

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.

by sicubsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions  

Never mind.

MLB Network’s site says they will re-run at midnight Central Time. Thank goodness for DVR.

"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10

Rest in peace, Ronnie. You will always be in my Hall of Fame.

by sicubsfan on Dec 19, 2011 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I was impressed

All three players acquitted themselves very well—they were candid, well spoken and demonstrated pretty doggone good powers of recall (except for the 10 cent beer night loss and Ryno commented that the ball that skipped over his shoulder in the ‘84 playoff game went all the way to the wall—but it wasn’t really all that close.

I was one of the people sitting in the bleachers in ’68 and ’69 and Fergie really brought back memories for me and actually named one of the most prominent Bums (Ron Grousl)…I had forgotten how guys would walk the top of the wall for fairly long distances (there was no basket at that time).

What really struck me is how consistently all three insisted how good the fans were to them—not to start a firestorm, but when I look at the way Latrelle Hawkins and others werer practically booed out of town—i have to say that the old place isn’t the same anymore. I mean no offense—but it’s light years different to me. I think Don Young and maybe Adolpho Phillips may have been lightly booed in ‘69—but nothing like what we see today. If that type of pressure persists—i don’t know that we’ll ever see a team that doesn’t wilt and get swept in the playoffs like the last two we’ve seen. The pressure of producing wins as a Cub must be extraordinary.

Another thing Fergie said was that he thought exactly what I and probably many of you did in 2003. He was in the park for game 7 and when Kerry Wood hit that homer and then later Moises—he was CERTAIN it was our time.

"God, I always said I would never bother you about baseball, but if you could make this pain in my shoulder stop for ten minutes, I would really appreciate it."
Billy Chapel

by cubfever7 on Dec 19, 2011 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

OH--and sorry it's LaTroy

Don’t know where I got Latrelle from—must be a Patti Labelle hybrid

"God, I always said I would never bother you about baseball, but if you could make this pain in my shoulder stop for ten minutes, I would really appreciate it."
Billy Chapel

by cubfever7 on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a reason why LaTroy Hawkins was booed out of town...

He stunk as a Cubs pitcher. I blame Dusty Baker for a lot of that in how he handled or mishandled Hawkins, but Hawkins was the one who was doing the pitching and he should take responsibility for that. What angered me the most was guys like Hawkins, Jacque Jones, Milton Bradley and even Dusty Baker who accused the Cubs fans of being racist. I will submit to you that there are always going to be a handful of fans who are genuinely bad people-bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. But the majority of fans who come to games are good people.

Cubs fans aren’t racist. They love and respect Fergie Jenkins, Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Lee Smith, Andre Dawson, Shawon Dunston and Derrek Lee because those guys were professionals who respected the game and the fans. And the fans gave respect back to them. It has nothing to do with skin color. Last time I checked, Todd Hundley was white and he was booed a lot worse than LaTroy Hawkins.

by jeffmills1972 on Dec 19, 2011 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ESPN likes to perpetuate this lie all the time.

This is the same network that said Brian Urlacher is only popular because he’s white.

While it’s a different sport who unquestionably was the most abused athlete in this city in the last 10 years?

Rex Grossman because he wasn’t grind by fans who prefer grindy QBs who win in September over Qbs who won 2 playoff games.

Yes there are racist Cub fans no doubt about it. Just like there are racists in every group of people.

Nothing happens unless it's first a dream

by puckishcubsfan on Dec 20, 2011 6:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree 100% with the racist thing

It sounds like you’re saying that Hawkins got booed because he played the race card in the media? I haven’t lived in Chicago for about 22 years now and must have missed that.

I knew Bradley and Jacque had used that as an excuse for how much they sucked—Jones had probably the worst outfield arm I can ever remember and was totally lost at the plate—and Bradley? Well—we all know.

I do remember what Al refers to though insofar as Ron Santo getting booed. That did happen. The boos wern’t as vociferous and extensive as what we’ve seen in recent years, but they were definitely noticeable. Ron was somewhat of a polarizing figure from ‘69 on and especially so in New York. The NY fans and writers hated him for some of his remarks, I’ll always believe that the NY/East coast media played a role in keeping him out of the HOF for so long.

"God, I always said I would never bother you about baseball, but if you could make this pain in my shoulder stop for ten minutes, I would really appreciate it."
Billy Chapel

by cubfever7 on Dec 20, 2011 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Cubs players didn't routinely get booed until after 2003.

I think the failure to get into the WS then changed the attitude of a lot of Cub fans from “forgiving” to “angry”.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 20, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It might be hard for people to believe this now...

… but there were times, especially after 1969, when Ron Santo was booed. When he left the Cubs, he wasn’t nearly as beloved as he later became.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 20, 2011 8:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Many fans who followed the Cubs from 1969-71 looked at Santo as a major contributor to the team's failures.

My guess is that he likely blamed himself in part for the collapse of ’69.

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Dec 20, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Santo's calling out of Don Young...

… was another factor. Players didn’t do that publicly in those days. He apologized, but I think some fans started to look at him differently.

Santo’s performance started to decline then, too. Not until he revealed his diabetes in 1971, did people understand some of the reasons for that.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 20, 2011 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Great special

I watched it and DVRed the repeat so I could have it to rewatch again.

Nothing happens unless it's first a dream

by puckishcubsfan on Dec 20, 2011 6:12 AM CST reply actions  

As writers for this site

… Josh & I are on MLB mailing lists. I got the same offer, but didn’t think I’d get the screener in time. Glad Josh did, and I thank him for the writeup.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 20, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

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