Yu Darvish Announcement Will Be On Monday Evening
... at around 7-8 pm CT, according to this tweet from Fox Sports' Jon Morosi. The Nippon Ham Fighters are expected to accept the bid, and we'll find out the winning team and the amount.
CBS Sports' Danny Knobler adds:
"While people in baseball have speculated that it is the Blue Jays (others say Blue Jays or Rangers), the actual information has been so tightly held that it can't be sure that the speculation is accurate."
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between 8 and 9?!?!?!?
I sure hope it comes at 8.
Otherwise, that is an hour of all of our lives sitting around hitting refresh.
Eamus Ursuli!
Al, how can you be sure this is accurate? It's a tweet....
;-)
Someone was going to say it. Might as well get it out of the way now.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 8:08 AM CST reply actions
OK, let me reword my statement.
Two national reporters are speculating that the Darvish announcement will come Monday night.
Better?
Or maybe you’ll believe this tweet instead:
Fighters will announce tomorrow late morning, 明日日ハムは受理する、#ダルビッシュ#darvish
That’s from Don Nomura, Darvish’s agent. (Late morning Japan time Tuesday, which is Monday night in the USA, he clarified in a further tweet.
(And yes, I know you were joking. Mostly joking, anyway.)
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Yes, mostly joking
And I’ll leave it at that, other than to add that I’ve not been one of the more vocal ones regarding the topic.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 8:28 AM CST up reply actions
So what you're saying is...
“Shanghai Badger don’t care”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Badgers? Badgers?!
We don’t need no stinkin’ badgers!
by ddoubleheader on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
mushroom mushrooooom
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 19, 2011 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
and the turtle is
nature’s suction cup.
See that. Hah! It sticks.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
Well if a tweet is going to have 明日日ハムは受理する、#ダルビッシュ in it
Then I know it’s legit. Who would lie about 明日日ハムは受理する、#ダルビッシュ?
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
Google Translate says that means
Tomorrow will be accepted 日Hamu # Darvish
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I wish I knew what or who "Hamu" is.
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Part of the team name?
The Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters (北海道日本ハムファイターズ, Hokkaidō Nippon-Hamu Faitāzu?) are a Japanese professional baseball team based in Sapporo, Hokkaidō.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Hmmm.
Looks like a Google Translated version of the Japanese word for “ham”.
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Ham
Hmmm, Christmas. Hmmm
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
You new to online translation?
Google Translate is much better than Babelfish (more like Babblefish) but it still usually produces hilarity. Still quite a ways to go.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 19, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
yes, it’s the katakana for the english word “ham”. phoenetic alphabet so all characters end in a vowel except n. fighters is the same way, that’s why it ends in zu.
by sanshokubento on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha
“dropped an S”
…nevermind.
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The
Japanese characters convinced me
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, it could be 8:15CT!
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
So do I.
Note: if it IS the Cubs, I’ll post a separate front-page story on what it would mean for the team.
If it’s the Blue Jays, Rangers or anyone else, we can just keep the discussion in this fanshot.
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Same here
If it’s for a price that the management feels makes sense, I really want to see them take this chance.
There’s no question that there is a lot of help needed in the farm system, but this could bridge the gap. And with the new CBA, maybe they need to spend more on MLB-ready talent than they’d planned to.
Darvish and Fielder could make the Cubs fringe contenders in 2012. They’d most likely make them a lot more entertaining to watch than the 2011 version.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
You guys are seriously holding out hope that the Cubs spent 50M+ to negotiate another 100M+ contract?
This just seems nutty to me.
Have any of you seen the starting pitching class for next year? 150M could buy 2-3 of these guys:
Matt Cain (28)
Fausto Carmona (29)
John Danks (28)
Zack Greinke (28)
Cole Hamels (29)
Dan Haren (32)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Shaun Marcum (31)
Jonathan Sanchez (30)
Ervin Santana (30)
James Shields (31)
OH! And all of these guys have proven success in the MLB!
by mic on Dec 19, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Wow...he gave up a HR? In a real game? Yeah...screw that guy...totally not good enough to pitch for a good team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Don't have the GIF on me, sorry,
but I seem to remember Ted Lilly doing the same thing.
Either way, that’s how you counter my argument?
by mic on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
No - absolutely not the same thing
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
love this.
emotion shows how much they care
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
that's not emotion
Ted Lilly was slamming his glove to the ground in an effort to move the earth on it’s axis, so as to keep that from being a home run. It almost worked.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 19, 2011 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Also...
He’ll be 32 (just about prime for a ML Starting Pitcher)
He averages about 200 innings per year
His WHIP for the last 3 years is better than any or our starters
His K/BB ratio was 2.7 (the 36th best in the NL last year), only Garza (3.13) was better in our rotation.
Oh yeah…in almost 800 innings of ML pitching he has committed a grand total of one (1) error.
But he did give up a dinger in the playoffs..so forget all that other stuff…let’s spend $150 million dollars on a pitcher with some pretty big upside, but zero ML experience and just hope for the best.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
i'm a big Marcum fan
just be prepared whomever signs him won’t get the same pitcher in the 2nd half that they get in the 1st half. He wears down with shoulder issues year after year
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
That should balance out.
Since our offense seems to do the inverse of this.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM CST up reply actions
I think he was trying to knock the ball
down with his glove. A tactic learned in little leagues all over the world.
C’mon, that is gritty (or scrappy). We should kick some tires (or pinch some nipples) about this Marcum fellow.
Hey, knock off this sillyness of using reasonable arguemnts against the ZOMGWEHAVETOGETDARVISH! crowd.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent argument, NBF. Well played
Considering that I’ve not been part of any ZOMG crowd, and what I wrote is anything but that, this is exactly what your comment comes across as. An NBF argument.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sorry if you took this as an inference made directly towards you...I see how that could have been your impression...
I was only responding to mic’s argument and in the future I will attempt to make my responses more clear as to whom I am including in any “fill in the blank” crowds I reference. Again, my apologies for the misunderstanding.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
S'alright
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
without quibbling on the list
there are some other factors that go into Darvish that make him more appealing (you cited some of the reasons that make him less – posting fee, lack of mlb success)
1) age, darvish is 25, going on 26. The FA SP’s listed will carry a contract into their 30’s and for some of them deep into their 30’s.
2) Darvish’s posting fee will be a one-time cost, which can be looked at as a negative or a positive. The negative side is the big chunk of change up front just to negotiate. The positive side is it isn’t a big contract weighing down payroll for years to come. Plenty of pitchers making 8-12 million can get moved, few pitchers making him 15+ million get moved in trades.
3) Cost of compensating – Darvish doesn’t cost draft picks to acquire.
Are all of those positives worth spending $110-$120 million on Darvish? I’ll let the Cubs decide, but there are worthwhile positives and negatives on both sides of the equation.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
Those are all good points and I'm glad you raised them.
1) At one point, I was all for this thing—who wouldn’t want a potential ace at that age? The price has just gotten too high. If the Cubs were fringe contenders this year, I’d be more inclined to consider it. They’re not, though. They could be next year if they hold on to that money and spend it on that free agent crop. I don’t expect all of those guys to still be available, but a few/most will be.
2) I’m still not even sure the Cubs have 50M to spend up front. We don’t know where they are in this bidding process (as we’ve exhaustively discussed), so I won’t go there again. But on top of that, I get the feeling that Darvish is going to run up the price of his contract—despite having just one team negotiating. If he tops Matsuzaka’s posting fee, I can guarantee he will top Dice K’s contract too. Especially at his age, I feel like he might be willing to go back and do this thing again next year if he doesn’t get the money he wants.
3) No argument here. Although, with the new CBA, those draft picks aren’t quite as valuable as they once were.
Thank you for the reasonable counterpoints.
I wouldn't worry about the Cubs having the money
Unless you’re an accountant for the team, you’ll never know what money they have. They have numerous revenue streams and they are one of the top MLB markets. Their payroll has gone as high as $144M. So this is not unchartered territory here. We’re not talking about PIT here.
I’m sure the Cubs bid what they were comfortable paying up front.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
I was saying,
I don’t think the Cubs have 50M to spend up front, THEREFORE, I still don’t think they went that high. That’s neither here nor there in this wait-and-see mode that Al insists on, though.
Rangers and Blue Jays SEEM to be in the forefront just because of the optimal revenue streams they have (the one the Cubs don’t have: a good TV deal). I agree that it seems that the Cubs SHOULD be able to run with these guys—I mean, it’s the Chicago Cubs—but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I anticipate them being more frugal until they are able to improve their business model.
If history tells us one thing
It’s that it would be foolish to think the Cubs don’t have the money to spend.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
And Cubs' history has been so fruitful.
I’m not saying they CAN’T or WON’T spend, but so far we’re in year three of Ricketts regime and the payroll is significantly lower than it was a couple years ago.
I expect them to operate more frugally and to build from within as they keep saying. Eventually, I bet they’ll be spending like the Red Sox, but before doing that, they have to rebuild their personell and infrastructure.
i think they may smell an opportunity to compete
in theo’s initial press conferences they talked about not giving away any chance at competing because those moments were precious but at the same time leaning towards something that won’t damage the future when compared to weighing the merits of competing right away
a move like Darvish or Fielder, or even Kuroda (when paired with Fielder), would seem to placate both interests. Their moves that can help move the needle closer to where if everything breaks right we could compete and (depending on price) may not severely hamper the future.
With Pujols leaving the division and the Brewers potentially losing Braun for 50 games plus losing Fielder, I think the target came back down and its become a little more plausible that they could compete with a few big splashes, while simultaneously not destroying the future (assuming a Fielder contract isn’t 8+ years).
I dont think this means they’ve over-extend themselves to compete this year, but I think if they feel the price is appropriate they may be more apt to deploy that capital now as opposed to next year.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
No, the payroll has been pretty high
From Cots
2011: $134,004,000
2010: $144,359,000
2009: $134,809,000
I’ll be surprised if they win the bid on Darvish. And surprised if they land Fielder. But since the new CBA will limit the bottom-up rebuilding, it may make sense to spend now.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
TWSS?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
Seems to me that I said
If it’s for a price that the management feels makes sense
OH! And I bet half that list signs an extension before free agency.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm arguing is this:
That price should not make sense for the new management.
Whether Dice K was a mistake for Epstein before seems to be still up in the air since he was a big part of their World Series run, but they were so much closer than the Cubs are now. As I said before, if the Cubs were on the fringe, I’d consider it.
And I bet only a quarter of that list signs an extension. If the Cubs are smart, they can set themselves up for at least two. Depending on who’s still available, I’d like to see Cain/Hamels/Greinke (one of these) + Santana/Marcum/Danks (one of these).
Well, I'm deferring to their judgement on what is too much.
As far as your wish list goes, I don’t have too much of an issue with it, other than I think Greinke and a larger market aren’t a good fit due to his anxiety issues, and I’d be concerned about Santana’s health.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 19, 2011 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
+1 Rec'd
Let the Rangers blow their load on that guy.
For $150M, Cain and Hamels would do just fine.
Just win the next game...!
I don't know about Yu...
But now I have a reason to be entirely unproductive today on the Internet trying to get the scoop.. Still don’t see how the blue jays could’ve put in a bid that high. I’m still sticking to Cubs or Rangers winning the bid…
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by LongLiveHarryCaray on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM CST via mobile reply actions
At least...
I don’t have to keep checking this site every 15 minutes today, obsessively checking if there’s been an announcement. I might actually get some work done today…
I don't really want
Darvish (at the price it would cost), but it would be nice to have something exciting happen to the MLB roster.
Darvish plus Fielder, or Darvish and minor league prospects for Rizzo would qualify.
Darvish, Kuroda, Fielder
if we somehow added those 3 names, I think the team could get back to a .500 projection or so and from there with a little luck we could contend
That’s a plan that helps build the future of the team without negatively impacting the long-term salary structure (outside of Fielder).
It would require a lot of cash up-front, but would set us up with building blocks in the rotation (Garza, Darvish), up the middle (Castro, Soto), and a cornerstone bat (Fielder). I think that’s the best offseason plan I could expect from the Cubs
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 AM CST reply actions
can add Jackson
as a potential building block up the middle as well
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
Darvish, Kuroda AND Fielder?
I can’t see the Cubs being able to afford all three. Two, maybe, but not all three.
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it comes down to if they can afford darvish and fielder
kuroda’s cost will be a minor one compared to those two. In total it would require an outlay of 80-90 million in year 1, 50 million in yr2 (40 comes off the books from Byrd, Dempster, Zambrano alone)
its a big up-front price to pay, for sure. But within the context of the long-term salary configurations I don’t think it’s unreasonable. The question is whether they have 80-90 million to put towards it this year
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
Garza, Darvish, Kuroda, Dempster and a choice of 5th starters.
5th starter choices………Z, Wells, Cashner. Nice.
it would allow the Cubs to move Zambrano, Wells also
and save some salary that way, then bring in wakefield (if Theo and crew wanted to have 6 starters available like they did in Boston), or RoLo
For example, the Marlins are still out there looking for pitching. If we offered to pay half of Zambrano’s contract, i’m sure they’d be interested and that frees up another 10 million this year.
Now from a financial standpoint is that worth it? To basically pay Kuroda+Zambrano say 22 million instead of Zambrano 19 when they’re projected to be somewhat similar pitchers? It probably is given the history with the Cubs and Z and given the transition advantage for having Hiroki here with Yu (if there’s any to that at all)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Crazy as it sounds, I don't think you need more than two of those three to get to .500.
Considering whatever fifth starter you have will automatically be better than RussellLopezColemanDavisWhatever and not an autoloss, you pick up at least six/seven wins from the fifth spot. All of a sudden you’re at 77, 78 wins and you can probably come up with a few more from better defense and potentially non-toxic RISP averages. If you can get Fielder, he’s good for four or five wins all by himself. That’s over .500.
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by NobodySpecial on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
if cairo has us at 74
then Kuroda + Fielder would be enough to push to 79-80 (i’m assuming they’re replacing 1 WAR players and not replacement), add in Darvish and we get to 81-83
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
Done.
If that’s what CAIRO says, no need to even play the games then!
its a starting point for discussion purposes
and one that is better than “eye-balling” how good the team is or isnt
used as a point of reference it’s a helpful tool
used as an absolute predictor of the future, it’s fools gold
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
My eyeball tells me
that if this team is even average at RISP, OBP, and defense, the pitching should be good enough for .500 in this weak division. I’m tired of worrying about replacing solo homers and 200 strikeouts with more solo homers and another 200 strikeouts. Wrigley Field hasn’t been a haven for Earl Weaver baseball for a while now, so I’d prefer to see a defensive oriented team that doesn’t need two or more longballs every game to put some runs on the board.
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by NobodySpecial on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Call me a pessimist but
I don’t think the cubs get either Darvish or Fielder. Though without one or the other I also don’t see much of a product on the field.. kinda depressing. I need happy pills.
praise be to joeby
i’ve gotten myself excited at the possibility now
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions
If it turns out he's right on this...
What could he tell us in the future and have the vast majority of us bite on?
Or the classic...
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Where the hell were you guys 2+ hours ago?
I set that up like a Bronson Arroyo fastball.
We're slow like Steve Trachsel.
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If he's right on this.
Then I’ll never doubt anything he has to say.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
I would like it to be anyone but the Blue Jays so that no one ever has to take anything
that Jim Bowden says again seriously. No more re-tweets, no more links on MLBTR, nothing.
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Jim
Bowden /eye roll
He should realize he’s not a GM anymore for a reason.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Nah, I hear their new leader is more of a basketball fan.
Maybe he can help the Bulls, though.
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Hey, look!
More baseless speculation in this tweet from Buster Olney:
Most folks guessing/assuming Jays have won Darvish bidding. But just got off the phone with an AL exec who speculates smart $ is on Rangers.
Holy crap. “Guessing”. “Assuming”. “Speculates”. What is the point of even tweeting this?
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Probably so bloggers like you will repeat it..
It’s working.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you see the reason I repeated it?
Only to say it was baseless speculation. Doesn’t make Olney look like anything more than doing guessing, which is exactly what everyone here is doing.
Reduces his credibility, IMO. Unless he’d just like to put out a tweet speculating about every team involved in this, in which case he’s certain to be right.
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you're right
we should all stop posting here
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
This.
I don’t get why Al of all people wants us to stop speculating/guessing/assuming (AKA talking) about this topic. That’s what this site is for. That’s what the internet is for.
No one is asking any of you to stop talking about this!
I’m only saying that if you take Olney’s tweet as gospel, or “reporting”, you are incorrect.
He’s just guessing along with everyone else.
Do you see my point now?
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he's specifically citing it as speculation
i dont see what the issue is…
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, it's speculation.
That’s why I posted it. To point that out.
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Well, technically, Olney isn't even guessing.
The unnamed AL exec whom he’s quoting is.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Right.
I’m not stopping anyone from talking about this. Only to note that every single person writing/posting about this is guessing. Outright guessing.
No one knows except the Ham Fighters, and they’re not talking.
Feel free to continue talking about it. I don’t understand why people think I have an issue with talking.
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...
No one knows except the Ham Fighters, and they’re not talking.
If I had a dime for every time I’ve said this in my life…
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Correct me if I'm wrong
But the Ham Fighters don’t know either. They don’t find out until they accept the bid. Right now, only MLB knows who placed the winning bid.
Fair enough.
The information seems to have been kept secret.
Which in this day & age, is pretty remarkable. No leaks.
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If the Cubs won
Then I agree there were no leaks except to Joey. If the jays or rangers win it, there have been a bunch of people saying so, and their info could have been leaked. There have just been so many reports the signal to noise ratio is too low to know what to believe.
Fwiw Al, the part you seem to be missing here is that people understand that much of this info going around these days is wrong, the issue people seem to have us that you seem tO be ok with throwing out info, however baseless, if you are the one throwing it out there, or if the report is something you hope to be true. If the report suggests a result that you don’t like, you get pretty snippy with those bringing it here.
by tomas21 on Dec 19, 2011 4:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Here's the deal.
It’s my opinion that many of these “reports” are useless. That’s exactly the point I’m trying to make.
Even if the “report” is something I agree with, until facts are known, it’s still kind of useless.
But I am NOT trying to cut off discussion. That’s completely wrong.
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Just to be sure, you and Al are referring to the as the "Ham Fighters" as a joke, right?
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
Yes..
We know it’s the Nippon Ham____Fighters, but Ham Fighters has a much better ring to it.
It's actually the
Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters, which is like being called the Minnesota Hormel Foods Twins.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the Cubs can look into this avenue for additional resoucres?
We won the bid for Darvish – but no cash was involved. Nippon Ham paid us $53 million to be known as the Chicago Nippon Ham Cubs for 5 years.
The "Fighters" is truly a lame team name
by Nunyabidness on Dec 19, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Now put "Ham" on top of it.
Awww yeah.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Like, for example, this.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 19, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you've made your point....again and again and again and again
Considering that NOONE is taking any of these tweets as Gospel, it’s beyond my understanding why you feel the need to remind us every hour on the hour that we shouldn’t take the tweets as gospel.
Your need to point out speculation is reaching comedic levels. I used to think you rushing into every thread that talked about a possible trade or signing to proclaim it “speculation” was annoying. I long for those days.
Now you’re actually POSTING things, in order to show us why we should ignore the information that you just posted.
My head hurts
by Nunyabidness on Dec 19, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like at this point we can assume...
… that an MLB franchise has won the bidding to negotiate a contract for Yu Darvish.
(/speculation)
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by Steven Schweickert on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good question, actually.
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
Then two teams sit around and say
“Man, we should have bid that extra penny!”
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
"Sorry, Yu, tie bid...
…go put your Ham Fighters uniform back on."
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
That is a damn good question..
highly unlikely, but what if there was a tie??
In Theo and Jed I trust.
potato sack race between GMs
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure Buster will really care about a reduction in his credibility
when he appears on ESPN every day this week.
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by Craig in South Bend on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see how it reduces his credibility.
He’s openly stating no one knows for sure. Claiming something as fact and then being wrong? That reduces credibility.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
If he didn't post that...
What would people be reading on various sports sites and blogs?
“In MLB news…no news. Move along. We don’t want your page views.”
Here's what I say the "nay" crowd on Darvish...
…in the words of that great philosopher…ummm….errrr….hmmm…some hillbilly guy…“If you wanna dance, you gotta pay the fiddler”. Darvish is a risk, for sure, but, it needs to be done. Same with Fielder. They’re young AND keepers for 5 – 8 years, if all goes well. Epstein said he wants to build a winner…well, those 2 + Starlin Castro and Matt Garza are a pretty good foundation. Now, add one or 2 guys from the minors and a trade or 2 and we’re good again. Maybe not in 2012, but, watch out after that. Just my opinion…have at it.
Happy Holidays to all BCBers...be safe.
Difference is
Fielder is a KNOWN commodity. He’s done it in MLB, on US soil, in front of US crowds. Darvish? Not so much.
I know I’m posting after the fact. I’m am SO GLAD a team not-named-the-Cubs won the bidding.
Just win the next game...!
I hear
That MLB Network has moved up their Studio 42 show tonight and it will be a live show. The posting bids for Yu Darvish will be ignored. Instead, Fergie Jenkins will unilaterally decide where Darvish will play.
The title of the show will be Canadian or Cub: Fergie Must Decide
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
I'm tellin' ya...
…this Japanese posting system is straight-up weird.
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Look!
More speculation from Jon Heyman:
This is all still speculation, but fwiw folks whove spoken to #bluejays people say they don’t seem confident they won darvish bid.
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I'm just mad that the Brewers won the bid for OF Norichika Aoki
We’re down 1-0 in the posting system to the Brewers!
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Ugh...7 to 8 pm can't get here quickly enough.
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My sources say the Pirates got the bid
Of course, those sources are the voices in my head, so you should read it with that in mind.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
NOBODY TAKE JOSH'S WORD AS GOSPEL!!
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON’T DO IT!!!!
by Nunyabidness on Dec 19, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
So if a Cubs executive called you up
And said, “hey, we put in a bid for Darvish, but we’re not confident we’ll win,” you wouldn’t share that?
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Of course he would
Then he’d twist himself into knots trying to explain why what HE did was completely different from all the other reports.
by Nunyabidness on Dec 19, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I would if that executive told me I could, sure.
But I doubt anyone would give me permission to do that.
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Okay.
Then please explain to me what the difference would be between doing that and what Olney and Heyman do.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
In some ways, it would be the same.
I see your point. However, both Olney and Heyman admit that not only are they posting speculation, they are guessing themselves.
Which is what I’ve been saying all along. They really don’t know anything more than we do.
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Well, when someone tweets "I think X is going to happen. Just a hunch."
Then yes, there’s pretty much no value in that. But when guys are passing on information from GM’s and executives, I don’t think it should automatically be dismissed outright. If Heyman took the info he tweeted and wrote an article entitled “Blue Jays lose Darvish bid,” based on that information, then yes, that would be wrong and irresponsible. But he’s not doing that. He’s just passing along what he was told. No one’s jumping to conclusions.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
I hope this is right:
While people in baseball have speculated that it is the Blue Jays
BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12
At first, I read that as "White people in baseball"
and I thought it was the silliest thing I read today.
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by Craig in South Bend on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM CST up reply actions
I hope the blue jays get him...
And all the “speculation” was correct, lol
Do I think darvish would help? Yes. Awesome FA SP class next year
They both (stats & bikinis) show a lot, but not everything. - Infielder Toby Harrah
Poster formerly known as Wrigster.
Except for this from Danny Knobler:
Hearing that Fighters have definitely decided to accept Darvish bid…but official announcement may not come for 3-4 more hours
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speculation
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i kid i kid
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 6:28 PM CST up reply actions
I bet they're lying on both
They’ll reject the bid and do it in 6 hours
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
damn it, fighters of ham!
i want to know how soon i can feel “meh” about this
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
When Yu Darvish upon a star....
makes no difference which team you are.
Anything your fans desire
Will come to you
If someone else’s wallet is in your dream
No contract is too extreme
When Yu Darvish upon a star
As dreamers do…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 19, 2011 6:15 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
I think they run one fresh show a day.
I think this breaks on a “bottomline” somewhere tonight, and then runs ad nauseum all day tomorrow.
So do I understand this right? Tonight's announcement is really a two-parter?
Part I – the Nippon Ham Fighters announce whether or not they accept the high bid?
Part II – MLB announces who the high-bidding team is?
Or has MLB already told NHF who the high bidding team is (in addition to the amount) and NHF will announce both at the same time (assuming they accept which it sounds like they will).
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!!!
Isn’t there more speculation I can post?
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in non-darvishageddon news
The Rangers and Blue Jays like Matt Garza and he’s not the only Cubs pitcher about whom other teams are inquiring, Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports. Left-hander Sean Marshall is also drawing heavy interest.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/garza-marshall-drawing-trade-interest.html
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
Wow - who do you prefer to lose, Garza or Marshall?
Probably Marshall for a good trade, including young bullpen help to replace him. On the other hand reliable, young lefties with a curve like Marshall’s out of the bullpen are tough to come by.
deal marshall
I really like garza. he just seems to be a good start to building a respectable rotation
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Here's a conspiracy theory for you
So there’s all this talk that Theo and co. are excellent at keeping things “close to the vest”, correct? Is it safe to assume that MLB has already notified the winning team? There have been no leaks whatsoever. Therefore, Cubs won?
maybe
maybe not
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
walmart employees
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
The angle you missed - double cross Nolan Ryan and he will lay a whupping on you
That may keep the lips shut.
cannot resist
we wish yu a merry darvish,
we wish yu a merry darvish,
we wish yu a meerryyyy darrrvishhhh…
and a happy new contract
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:14 PM CST reply actions
bring us some
Nippon Ham Ace
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
all i want for darvishmas...
is a Japanese player that isnt a bust caugh Fukudome caugh
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:27 PM CST reply actions
Question
Do you think that after the protracted and drama-filled process that brought Theojed over here, they would want to make an even bigger drama out of the question of whether or not Darvish would’ve been worth all that money?
Power outage for MNF at Candlestick Park
ESPN is reporting that a transformer blew. But we all know it is the Power of Yu Darvish at work.
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
It is a sign...
it means everything will be revealed soon… they blew out mnf power so everyone can see the verdict
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
me 2...
there tends to be employees down by those things
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions
Transformers
more than meets the eye. Would’ve been more fitting if the Steelers were actually robots.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:53 AM CST up reply actions
The Flash of light to the left
That was Darvish teleporting to SF for some sushi and a dance club.
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"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
I thought it was robins egg blue
Batman smells and robin laid one hell of an egg. That would be an eggsplosion.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:54 AM CST up reply actions
In other "breaking" news....
Move over Joe Theisman, Robin Ventura and Cliff Floyd. Time to welcome a new member in the “really gruesome looking sports injuries” fraternity.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Ouch.
Hope he’s OK. That’s pretty horrible.
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yeah, last time I saw a body bend like that, I was at a Cirque du Soleil show...
But those were 13 year old girls, probably no more than 60 lbs. And they were bending of their own volition, not at the behest of a 300 lb behemoth.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yeah, that was nasty
One has to wince just watching it. At least they said he can move all extremities (i.e. no paralysis) but who knows how long it’ll take for recovery and if he can play football again.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:55 AM CST up reply actions
Cubs HOF'ers on MLBTV right now
It’s a sign. Cubs won.
Seriously though guys, if I’m being annoying, I’ll stop. :)
love the optomism!
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'm hoping Jays win.
While it’d be exciting for Cubs to win, I believe it’d be too high of a bid, and I’d much rather hope the Rangers don’t win so they’ll be more willing to give up pieces for Garza in possibly the three team trade involving Rizzo.
I am also rooting for the Bluejays....
the Bluejays of Creighton! up 42-34 at the half
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
I'll cheer for the Jays
& any other member of the MVC against any of the big conference schools. I can’t cheer for the Jays once conference play starts. Go Bears!!
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions
go MVC
its always nice to meet a fellow MVC fan! good luck in all your games up until conference play
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I worked in the Drake athletic dept several years ago
Ever since then I always root for Valley schools too. Except Wichita State.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Worked security at Missouri State during the Stiles era
The Lady Bulldogs & Lady Bears had a fierce rivalry. It was fun to watch.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I hit enter once
Don’t know why it posted twice.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I was at some of those games at Hammons.
Jackie was amazing, and that atmosphere was as good as anyplace else I’ve been in the country, men’s or women’s. No joke.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 19, 2011 9:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have a ton of respect for Creighton
They always have a good team & they have a great tradition.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
indeed.
its nice for me to get to see them play some good bball
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather get him and Prince, keep Garza and build around them.
If the FO thinks they can afford it, I’m on board.
yeah, well, now you know how we feel, sitting around waiting for you to come back...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
indeed....
i want to go home. the starbucks ppl are trying to get me to leave but i wont cuz both wifi and cable are down at my house
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Someone claiming Alex G. has called a press conference to announce winning bid for BJ's
Caution – UNCONFIRMED
color me skeptical
that a website that gets 10 comments a week had the inside scoop on this story. That guy is probably just posting this, hoping he is right, and hoping to get attention to his blog.
Another unconfirmed post with no source
BREAKING NEWS: Nippon-Ham Fighters have accepted Toronto Blue Jays bid for Yu Darvish of $53.8M. #Jays now have 30 days to sign him.
Ugh never mind
Another post:
@Ken_Rosenthal rangers 55.4 million win darvish source from inside the Japan trade confederation
Ignore me now
i will be a very sad panda if the rangers win the bid
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions
he did not say this ....
and if he did, can you provide a link?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's long gone
You’re right though, it wasn’t on his twitter feed so it may very well have been a fraud. My fault for posting it. Apologies.
it's all good.
You still the man, MonkeyBiz.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
haha. Ballhawk, I like you.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
Alright! That's it for me. Goodnight everybody!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I could just say
here that Theo is my neighbor and he told me they won. Carries as much weight as the report above.
Confirmed, sad to say...
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by ballhawk on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
god dammit
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
BOLD PREDICTION!!!
Yu Darvish will not be a Minnesota Twin
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 8:06 PM CST reply actions
AT&T gives up on $39 billion bid for T-Mobile USA
AT&T instead bids $39 Billion for Yu Darvish
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bout time...
i always thought they needed a boost in their pitching staff
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
He'll pitch for Creighton
And Jim Hendry will be hi coach
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
yay creighton!!! :D
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
they just showed them winning the pennant in 2003
on MLB network
by LT on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
nothing in general.
he just likes saying “F the Marlins!”
Don’t you?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 19, 2011 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Get a positive vibe going
I’m sure MLB Netwrok will interrupt the Cubs to say that San Diego won the bidding.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Hey now our GM is a lifelong Sox fan
We gotta play nice with the Red Sox while he’s GM so he doesn’t sour on this fan base.
sources tell me that the nippon ham fighters will announce who won on december 21 2012
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
did your dad tell you that?
name dropper.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 19, 2011 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
he may or may not have told me that specific piece of information that i just typed
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
From an exploding volcano?
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
he does live a rock star life
what is more bad ass than an exploding volcano?
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Reports coming out that the announcement was delayed to 11pm ET
Twitter blowing up with conjecture that it has to be Toronto bc there’s a Leafs game on now and they’re “being sensitive”.
Obviously I only post this tongue in cheek.
while we all wait
another power outage at the SF football game. woot.
I don't know which is worse.
Waiting for polish to dry or waiting for the announcement. My polish will be dry before the announcement comes.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:49 PM CST reply actions
Like this
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yu need some Cubbie Blue in there
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
It'll be a blue Christmas without Yu
Red is more festive for the holidays & sexier too. ;)
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 9:20 PM CST up reply actions
For real fun
get someone with 6 fingers in that photo.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:57 AM CST up reply actions
For crying out loud..
Why the hell is this taking so long?
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
current theory is that the leafs are still playing
So they’re putting it off so those folks can see the decision. Just Darvish “building his brand”.
Leafs/Kings game currently in shootout.
Should be over soon.
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What if MLB adopted NHL rules?
Teams could play up to 12 innings, then if it’s still tied settle the game with a home run derby.
(Would make as much sense as the shootout.)
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don't mock extreme hungry hungry hippo!
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
Shootouts are the most exciting part of Hockey
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
That would be called
… praising with faint damns.
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And the Home Run Derby would by the most exciting (IMO) part of Baseball
But it would hardly be an equitable way to determine who should win the game
Yeah, Z would try to hit 900-foot homers with every pitch.
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Then would a zamboni
come out onto the field after every 3rd inning? Or would it be a giant lawnmower?
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:58 AM CST up reply actions
Leafs lost to Kings in shootout.
Game is over. OK, Ham Fighters, it’s time.
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fighters don't know who won
8:42pm: MLB won’t announce which team won the bidding until Nippon announces that it accepted the bid (assuming the team accepts), Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News clarifies (on Twitter). The Fighters do not know the identity of the team that won the bid.
so they’re just being mean
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
don lozano and scott boras' little league team
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
if he goes to the blue jays
I go “ho hum”, cause we wont be seeing him in the post season in that division.
Don't be so sure about that.
Darvish gives the Jays solid pitching. They were fifth in AL in runs in 2011. They’d have a shot.
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well true, especially in baseball
but Toronto just seems to be so “off the radar” in the AL east that if they got good, well, meh. seems like a black hole to me as far as marketing … although at least it’s not Baltimore.
Baltimore shouldn't be a black hole
I feel sorry for Oriole’s fans having such poor ownership. The have a great tradition in Baltimore. Pre-Baltimore, not so much.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
Pre-Baltimore, yeah...
the Brown dwarfs.
by ddoubleheader on Dec 20, 2011 2:59 AM CST up reply actions
St. Louis' second team
That only die-hard Cardinal fans know existed.
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by cub in louies nest on Dec 20, 2011 7:15 AM CST up reply actions
Assuming Darvish isn't coming here
What are the chances the Cubs bid ever leaks out?
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
Possible.
IIRC, the losing bids for Matsuzaka eventually were revealed.
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CAAAN YUUU DIGG IT????
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:02 PM CST reply actions
So I come on at 9pm because I figure there's a guaranteed answer by now...
And get this? FFFUUUUU
No, F Yu.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 19, 2011 9:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Be still, my heart...
The Reds acquired Mat Latos over the weekend, but they continue to search for a closer and a left fielder, Mark Sheldon of MLB.com reports.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I know where they can get an amazing leftfielder
I don’t think I’ll ask for anything in return. Consider it a Christmas present.
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
Marshall
They could then use Marshall as a closer AND left fielder.
by Wrecks Grossman on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
I think him
going to the Rangers would be the worst case scenario for me. We don’t get anything exciting and we lose a potential trade partner with great prospects who might up us something great for Garza (assuming TheoJed wants to move him).
what kind of source?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Al is shaking
the Twitterverse!
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 PM CST up reply actions
Twitter is starting to get annoying...
This stuff is coming out fast and hard now
@Riglo
my sources tell me Cubs won the bidding for Darvish. that source got the news from his pizza delivery guy.
the guy has charlie day as his picture
he’s obviously trustworthy
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
Who's Joey?
D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice
a BCBer who apparently has an in-the-know Cubs source.
He predicted the a bunch of draft signees, even the ones that came as real surprises such as Rock Shoulders, etc. Was pretty good when it came to the draft and has said the Cubs have a big bid in on Darvish that they are confident about.
What's his sn?
Joeby?
D98 mistaken, a hyperbole as in a funny or revisionism as in trying to make a new fact to confirm a prejudice
It's a great source
for sarcastic commentary. Sometimes very funny.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
can we please hurry up?
i’ve seen about 35 Colbert Report clips waiting for some sort of news that was allegedly supposed to break an hour and a half ago!
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:30 PM CST reply actions
Shouldn't MLB network be hosting something live for this?
by jerry morales rules on Dec 19, 2011 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
George: I had 'em, Jerry. They loved me.
Jerry: And then?
George: I lost them. I can usually come up with one good comment during a
meeting but by the end it’s buried under a pile of gaffs and bad puns.
Jerry: Showmanship, George. When you hit that high note, you say goodnight and
walk off.
George: I can’t just leave.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Random thought
Hello all. 1st time poster, long time reader.
Anyway, I remember reading in the paper after the Red Sox won the Dice-K bidding that they expected to recoup all the posting money in jersey and merchandise sales alone. I think they said that the MLB team gets $40 from each jersey sold. I think that Theo and company know that with the rabid international fan base of Cubs fans that they can pretty much bank on getting all the posting money back in one or two years. Then, it’s just an issue of whether they think he is worth 5 yrs/65 mil or whatever contract he would get.
Now that's funny
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by Brett Taylor on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Between you and me, I think we can repeat most of the bad jokes on twitter
I had the candlestick park one earlier…
Nippon-ception
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 PM CST up reply actions
Sidd Finch's long-lost second cousin?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
for being old enough to remember the Sidd Finch article.
espn did a replay story of it
like 7 years ago, you can type you’re probably old enough
guy i went to school with played sidd finch in espn’s thing
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
game
this situation has inspired me to create a new drinking game…. for every 5 minutes i don’t know who bid highest on Darvish, I shall take a shot
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 PM CST reply actions
that does me no good in omaha
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
911 is 2 on my speed dial
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
does your liver owe you money?
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
yes, i am its bookie and it was dumb enough to put money on Tebow... i blame the shots
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yu-Hoo?
Anybody Home?
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
haha this is great
@GrubersMullet: I have a feeling we’re all unknowingly participating in one of those crazy Japanese game shows"
by monkeybiz on Dec 19, 2011 9:42 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
Say it ain't so!!
You mean they are watching us through our computer screens? Is this the baseball version of The Truman Show? Maybe they are reading our minds with some sort of unknown Japanese technology. Quick where’s my foil hat?
I don’t want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it.
by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
just saw Darvish at Starbucks...
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Dec 19, 2011 9:50 PM CST via mobile reply actions
where?!?!?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
YO
@BudSeIig Allan Huber Selig
Its Official, the Toronto Blue Jays have won the bidding for SP Yu Darvish at $52 000 000 (US)
i just recieved word he voided his void with a veto
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM CST up reply actions
It's him!
It has to be. Earlier in that thread he quoted JJ Cale’s “Cocaine.”
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
And profane rants
about Adam Dunn. It’s got to be a White Sox fan.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions
But I can't believe
how many people think that’s a real account.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
Darvish's agent
I’d say Darvish’s agent’s word is as good as mud.
Lockheed Martin F-35 wins Japan fighter jet deal
So to even things out, Darvish goes to Canada.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
10:04pm: A Darvish announcement of some sort appears to be coming in about ten minutes, according to Shi Davidi of Sportsnet.ca (on Twitter)
it’s almost over!
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:04 PM CST reply actions
He're my favorite tweet of the last ten minutes
I’m not saying this Yu Darvish thing has been dragging on for too long, but the winning bid was submitted by the Expos.
damn
i thought it was the cleveland spiders
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
they pretended not to exist for years just so they could sign darvish!!! CLEAVER SOB'S!!!!
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
i have 7 finals tomorrow, for the love of god, please just tell us!!!
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 PM CST reply actions
That seems like an inordinate amount of finals in one day.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
by shoemile on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i did that on purpose so i dont have to go back on wednesday
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
what if i said i would pay you to take a couple for me?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
how the hell do you have that many finals? How are you even taking 7 classes?
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
Hearing Rangers won with $51.7
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
fake selig twitter?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
Jeff Passan
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
it appears so...
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
i will believe nothing until i hear it from ESPN or MLBN
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST reply actions
just saw the scroll on MLB
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
Not a great scenario considering they were Garza targets.
HOWEVER, does this give us one less team to negotiate against for Fielder?
Seattle will still offer Fielder 9+ years.
by ubercubsfan on Dec 19, 2011 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
If I'm Prince, do I really wanna play in Seattle? Obscurity and a tough ballpark to hit in
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM CST up reply actions
If he is looking for 7+ years he is looking at it as his last contract of his career.
Why not try to get as much years and money as you can.
I don't know if we are really in it with Fielder.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
According to Twitter we are.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
great, so were not
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
According to Twitter we aren't.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
sweet, we're the frontrunners
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
i dont think he will eat up that much salary
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
time to get a TOR-SD-CHI three team going
Garza to TOR, TOR pitching prospect to SD, Rizzo and Toronto pitching prospects to the Cubs. (Toronto has got a surplus of young arms.)
I don't necessarily believe everything I hear on ESPN
I figure MLBN is a reliable source though. Yahoo is probably more reliable than ESPN.
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by cub in louies nest on Dec 19, 2011 10:12 PM CST reply actions
probably not
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
so what shiny prospects does toronto have
Screw you, Jon Daniels
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions
Seems like not the best fit to me.
Some good prospects, but no clear cut real high end SP prospect. (Plus Norris couldn’t be dealt until later this year.)
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
I don't know about that.....
I think they have some very interesting arms. Drabek(boy has his star fallen), Syndergaard, Sanchez, Nicolino, McGuire, Hutchinson..They’ve got alot of arms. I’d sure like to have a few of them in the cubs system.
I don't disagree with that.
But, IMO, if the Cubs were going to deal Garza… they’d simply have to get an absolutely top notch SP. I wouldn’t want a ‘quantity for quality’ deal… and I don’t think any of those guys could headline a trade.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
I understand your point.
But I’d be estatic with a return of Rizzo, Syndergaard, and Drabek. I think Syndergaard can be a top notch SP as well as Drabek, whom I still believe in. I also think Rizzo has the potential to be really good and grow with the team. I understand your point though that you want someone a little more proven and that’s fine.
Thanks Ryno
And I definitely see your perspective, too. I’d be more than happy to have many of those arms in the Cub system.
One question… are you looking for Rizzo in a 3-way trade or a separate deal? I’m assuming you and Princeton are both looking at Rizzo from SD… and the arms we were looking at are from Toronto.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
they've got a bunch of A-/B+/B types of arms
many of whom have a lot of upside…I actually think it’s a very good fit. I would like to have Rizzo in the deal as well, though, if at all possible.
by PrincetonCubs on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
who confirmed it?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
Rather sizable climate difference to deal with, too.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Japan...
Is a country filled with bandboxes.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Dec 19, 2011 11:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
And then, depression set in
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
by Goat Whisperer on Dec 19, 2011 10:15 PM CST reply actions
Joeby!!!!!!
What happened my man???
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
Well, he didn't say the Cubs would win. Just that they bid over 50m. Which they may have...
by WiscCubsFan on Dec 20, 2011 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Failure on my part-I did say the Cubs were confident in winning bid
Was told bid was in the 53mil range which is now clearly wrong. I apologize if I got anyone’s hope up(including my own) and I won’t go down that road again. I am thoroughly disappointed in the results Fielder w/o Darvish doesn’t make much sense to me. Full on rebuild mode seems to be the mantra. Sign a couple more stopgap players and that’s your 2012 Chicago Cubs. If we don’t spend heavily on International FA’s prior to the new CBA kicking in I will be extremely pissed
No need to apologize.
Those of us that got our hopes up should be used to it by now. I agree with you though Fielder alone doesn’t make sense. Looks like we’re gonna throw away this season.
sometimes you get bad info
that’s ok. I appreciate you sharing what comes across your way. My hopes were up, but it just made for a more entertaining monday night. No worries at all
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 20, 2011 7:59 AM CST up reply actions
Glad it wasn't Toronto
Just so twitter was wrong
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
it does not take much for twitter to be wrong
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 PM CST up reply actions
on to edwin jackson?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 PM CST reply actions
well, we need some pitching
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
there is nothing more depressing than seeing big z take the mound to start a baseball game
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Well, that didn't take long...
(signature change)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
you don't cockblock a potential trade and expect to get out unscathed
Screw you, Jon Daniels
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
redial on Paul Maholm
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
i hate that guy
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
i guess that counts him out
Screw you, Jon Daniels
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
what doesn't kill Yu makes you Darvish
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Word is (from rotoworld, not sure where they got it from)
Darvish wants a contract aorund 5/75. If so, that puts his total contract at $24 mil per year for 5 years. That is IN-SANE.
He would have to be just about the best pitcher in baseball to be worth it, and he’s never thrown a pitch in the MLB.
If it wasn't the $51.7M
It would be prospects. Darvish had 5 years left on his contract. So you can look at the posting fee as a trade.
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with the sentiment.
But just because that’s the contract he wants doesn’t mean that’s the contract he gets. He may have to choose between taking ~2-5M less per year or going back to Japan.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Going back to Japan...
… for one year. Then he becomes a free agent and he can negotiate with anyone…no posting fee.
don't think he gets out of the contract that easy
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Agree with RB... not completely positive but I think he has two years left until FA.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
nine years of club control is the way I read it.
so if this had been after year 8, then yeah – if he doesn’t like the Rangers offer, he goes back, plays one more year and then he’s FA.
But I don’t think he’s already put in 8, so he probably has a few more years before he can play the FA card.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
he has zero leverage
he wont get that.
Dice-K got 6/52, i’d imagine Yu gets something like 5/50 or 6/60
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
question....
if the rangers and darvish fail to reach a deal in their 30 day period, he becomes a free agent?
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST reply actions
no, back to Japan and posting fee is not paid
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
No
He plays for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters next year.
Otherwise, he’d just refuse to sign a contract and be a free agent.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 PM CST up reply actions
Not saying the Cubs should have dished out that much but
what’s going to bring people to attend games in 2012 if they are in fact not in on Fielder. If they keep Garza and go with LeHair or some retread at 1B its a total punt.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM CST via mobile reply actions
that just sounds like a nightmare
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by chcubsdomination on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
IT'S HAPPENING
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:43 PM CST up reply actions
I hear the Cubs got this wrong and tried to submit Soriano remaining $54M contract
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
So now can we go back to trying to convince ourselves that Garza, Dempster and Zambrano will be enough pitching to compete next season?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 PM CST reply actions
Was there a tweet to back that up?
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
by RiskyBusiness on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 PM CST up reply actions
I wish the Cubs had a crazy expensive Left Fielder under contract...oh wait.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Can't believe Theo tried the $51,111,111.11 bid again
"Just shut up and play" - Matt Garza
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is an option." - Dale Sveum
I think I've accepted the fact that athletes rather get paid 3-4 million more than win a championship.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
Theo's the man!
GordonEdes Gordon Edes
Sox and Cubs have agreed, according to one MLB source, that Theo will not be allowed to hire anyone else from Red Sox for 3 years
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
I hope whenever the Cubs and Sox agree on Theo compensation that the thread has 3,000 comments.
Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!
BCB will probably shut down.
17'$ h4pp3n1n9!?!?!?
by lexmarklover on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
When the Cubs get their
own network going, and the tv deal becomes $2-3 BB, we’ll be able to spend much more freely than this year.
Still hoping for Fielder now, though.
So if we go this offseason and end up having missed out on Pujols, Darvish, Fielder AND end bringing back Zambrano...
after he flips his wig during some terrible stretch because Brian LaHair booted an easy ground ball at first-base allowing the go-ahead runs that Zambrano walked in the first place…will we be more angry at our manager or Crane Kenny?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM CST reply actions
I'm a big Ryan fan...
even bigger one too because he just saved the Cubs about $50 million dollars.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM CST up reply actions
meh...last season wasn't so bad...and besides
we have a manager that reads above an 8th grade level now AND we no longer have an oil-painting for a pitching coach anymore.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
I'll be pretty stoked
b/c I’m sure I’ll move WAY up on the season ticket holder list.
Then I’ll just have to wonder if I ever want them b/c of my depression with the team.
OCCUPY BCB. - swl
If Epstein/Hoyer are serious about building from within (and it appears they are)...
…it’s gonna be a long, long next 3 or 4 years…if not more.
Happy Holidays to all BCBers...be safe.
I'm okay with that
As long as there is a plan and consistent improvement. It seems reasonable to me that this debacle can’t be remade in a year or even 2. I think we need to give them at least that to get stuff on track. Sort of like we had to give Ricketts 2 years to clean house.
OCCUPY BCB. - swl
Hendry got 10 years to make the mess...
we should give them at least half that to start making progress.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly.
Which is why I will consider a .500 season next year a total win. I do not expect this to happen, for the record. I consider it the best we could do.
OCCUPY BCB. - swl
If this team plays .500 ball with what's on the 40 man roster as of right now...
…Dale Sveum should be knighted.
Happy Holidays to all BCBers...be safe.
i can do that
Screw you, Jon Daniels
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 10:59 PM CST up reply actions
let's not get ahead of ourselves..
Screw you, Jon Daniels
by jesus christos on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
You got your work cut out for you...
DeJesus
Castro
Byrd
LaHair
Stewart
Soriano
Soto
Barney
Z
Demp
Garza
Wells
Cashner
Marmol closing.
You better save a little Tebow magic for THIS team…just to win 70 games.
Happy Holidays to all BCBers...be safe.
Im starting to believe we will struggle to get to 70 wins in 2012.
'Never look down on anybody unless you're helping him up.'
by Unique on Dec 19, 2011 11:02 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Does look like we will be battling with Houston
for last place.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
who's gonna win more games - the Cubs or the Bulls?
and yes – I know the Bulls have a shortened season…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Cubs vs. Blackhawks just might be intriguing.
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
Kane County Cougars
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
Yeah
but now they’ll go and win the superbowl again.
"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."
Did you see San Fran last night?
They’ll give them a real run for their money with that defense and running game.
"I'm sore and I'm pissed off. I'm a baller. I want to feel the leather. I love thumb wars. 6-8 weeks? 6. follow me for healing, Jay Cutler does" - Jaysthumb twitter acct
The only good news...
Is that the puns will end.
I am stunned that Epstein and Hoyer would not exceed the Dice-K amount knowing that Darvish is clearly the superior pitcher. So let’s recap:
Cubs get David DeJesus, Ian Stewart, and a McDonald’s.
This team is clearly going to take its time rebuilding. Garza is clearly going to be moved.
I guess I’m cool with it, but… I do think that adding Darvish and Fielder would have made this team competitive next year, without impacting the future. Now I have my doubts about what this team can afford to do.
-- Jerome Horwitz
by KO Stradivarius on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 PM CST via mobile reply actions
They also know that following that 51.7 million posting fee, Darvish will be looking for something in the 5/65 - 5/75 range
5 Years of control for 110-120 million would make Darvish one of the highest paid pitchers in baseball based on AAV. That’s a massive risk, and after Dice-K not working out nearly as well as they had anticipated and with this Cubs team still being a ways from serious contention, they likely thought better of it.
I didn't expect the posting fee to go that high
I am somewhat glad theo didn’t overbid. I think 20 something million dollars a year is to high for even Darvish. I see him being a Matt Garza type pitcher and not a Clayton Kershaw.
Zips Projections for next 5 years
YR W L ERA BB K WAR
’12 13 7 3.62 46 169 4.5
’13 13 7 3.55 44 167 4.7
’14 13 7 3.52 42 163 4.6
’15 12 6 3.54 39 153 4.3
’16 11 6 3.46 38 150
Rangers win bid
ESPN reports $51.7 million.
by mr_einstein on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Josh-I have a couple of questions for you
With the Cubs investing in a new DR academy in 2012, what effect will the new CBA have on the procurement process. Since we have a set amount to spend is this really a great investment at this point or will players jump at the opportunity to play at a brand new facility and we make greater inroads in the DR community and get guys to sign for less. Also, with next yrs free agent pitching crop looking strong, if the Cubs plan on going that route, are top 12 picks protected, I can’t find out any info. Thanks and I’ll log off for your answer
Think of the Astros
They’re going to a division with Pujols on one rival, the whirling Darvish on another rival.
Had to go to bed
woke up and this. Can’t say that I am angry, this is going to be a ton of cash for a man who has not gone through 162.
I sure hope the Cubs will offer Prince a solid deal.
WOOO HOOOO
Not worth it for somebody so unproven.
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I'm half surprised
We didn’t bid in the 60-65 range, offer Darvish a contract we know he wouldn’t accept (so we don’t have to pay the absurd posting fee), just to take him off the market thus driving up the price for Garza.
If a team is not negotiating in good faith, they can withdraw their bid and offer negotiating rights to the second highest offer.
Otherwise teams like the Rays would do this all the time.
It's more and more obvious Theo is blowing this thing up
I cannot see the Cubs in on Fielder now, makes sense to move Garza and get three or four front line prospects as well. Marmol has to be on the block too, but nobody will take a guy with that salary who can’t throw strikes. Marmol is another Hendry disaster contract.
I wonder how the hell the Cubs are gonna sell any single game tickets for any game other than the Cardinals, White Sox and Red Sox…..gonna be a LONG hot summer in Wrigley.
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by Uncle Fungus on Dec 20, 2011 7:53 AM CST up reply actions
Congrats to the Rangers
Whew !!
Cubs can find better ways to tie up a $100M +
Next….
Just win the next game...!
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 8:32 AM CST up reply actions
I'm curious to know what the Cubs bid was, of course
And what the perception of the Cubs is from this. From Patrick Mooney at CSN Chicago
As Christmas approaches, look for the Cubs to go shopping for value. Pitchers like Paul Maholm, Joe Saunders and possibly Tim Wakefield would fit into their offseason profile more than Darvish.
The bolded part doesn’t make sense to me. The Cubs did put in a bid on Darvish. So they have shown the intent to spend money on the right player. Darvish was a two step process and the Cubs took the first step.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 8:31 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I know that you're probably tired of hearing from me about Darvish, Risky.
But I really think the Darvish anticipation around here was built around a lot of bad assumptions. Al was predicting a $30 million posting fee, more than $20 million less than the Texas offer, even though this offer was pretty close to the Daisuke offer from Boston. I never really understood why anyone could realistically hope for 40 percent lower posting fee for Darvish.
I think everybody took that $30 million theory and ran with it, figuring that such a number would somehow allow the Cubs to get Fielder and Darvish. But, to me, it seemed like a number set to fit what the Cubs MIGHT be able to afford in 2012 — amorphous amortization talk aside — rather than what Darvish would really bring in.
My guess? Theo put in a (relatively) low bid to see if he could catch the other teams napping — but he knew that anything in the Daisuke range wouldn’t be worth it for the Cubs RIGHT NOW, given the rotting leftovers from the Hendry era. This would jibe with the much-maligned tweet from Cafardo about the Cubs’ offer being “very low” and the talk for the past few days that Texas and Toronto were the front runners.
I’m still banking on the Cubs getting Fielder, mainly because the upfront cost won’t be as bad (no posting fee), because Fielder would seem to fit TheoJed’s stated strategy and because he’s more of a proven commodity. Oh, and because the Cubs do have some money to spend and a glaring hole at first base. The best thing about the Darvish news that we can say for sure right now is that Texas probably can’t afford Fielder.
And, honestly, I think we’re going to look back on this and be fine with the outcome. Right now, paying $50-plus million to be able to negotiate a $75 million contract with Darvish (the talk is he’ll get CJ money) isn’t the right move for the Cubs. Hell, it could have very easily resulted in another contract akin to Soriano’s: Understandable when it was signed given the market and competition but far too much to pay, creating and immovable object for several years.
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I never thought $30M
I think $50M range was a to-be-expected amount. Dice-K was the comparable player, regardless of his subsequent MLB stats. And I doubt Theo and Jed thought they could catch someone napping. Sorry, that’s just wishful fan thinking (our GM is smarter than other GMs).
I would not state that Texas is out of it for Fielder, if they wanted him. Like the Angels, they recently signed a new TV deal with Fox.
As for the Cubs payroll, I would advise against trying to be a Cubs Fantasy Accountant. Let’s face it, you can find more stats about a Japanese baseball player than you can about the Cubs various income streams. So trying to say what the Cubs can afford/can’t afford is pure conjecture.
If I had to pick one or the other, I would go for Fielder or Darvish.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
'Fantasy accountant'?
It’s not that big of an assumption (or ‘pure conjecture’) to say the Cubs could afford Fielder at $25 million in 2012. That’s not to say that they will, but it’s been reported that the team will have about $100 million in obligations (guys under contract, guys likely to be re-signed, arb guys).
If we’re set at third, if we’re set at right and if there are no other big-money pitchers in the Cubs’ plans — and, at the moment, there is nothing to indicate their interest in anyone more expensive than Paul Maholm, or maybe Joe Saunders — then there is money left for a Fielder signing if you figure the Cubs’ payroll doesn’t have to go down in 2012.
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It's conjecture to say the Cubs couldn't afford the eventual Darvish posting fee
But, to me, it seemed like a number set to fit what the Cubs MIGHT be able to afford in 2012
Sorry, but you don’t know what’s in the Cubs checkbook.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Then where did the $30 million figure come from, Risky?
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Don't ask me - I never said $30M
I don’t remember Al using that figure. If he did, ask him.
I understand that the Cubs are not likely to get back up to a $144M payroll. But that’s a decision by managament. I don’t know of that as a constraint of the payroll. I have never read a report of the Cubs concerned with attendance and it’s affect on payroll, ala the white sox.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
From Al's post on Dec. 9:
It’s been speculated that the posting fee for Darvish will be around $30 million — quite a bit of money, but less than the $51,111,111.11 posted by Theo’s Red Sox for Dice-K. Take that and add a five-year deal for around $60 million and the Cubs will have a top starter in his prime years. And if they don’t come to a contract agreement, the Cubs get the posting fee back. This ESPN Dallas article explains how it works:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/12/9/2623111/cubs-yu-darvish-nippon-ham-fighters-posting
I don’t know what speculation Al was referring to. And my original point was that the $30 million fee happened to coincide (particularly if it was amortized) with what the Cubs could pay as part of a Fielder/Darvish package without exceeding (or coming close to) last year’s payroll.
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The key thing you said there was
without exceeding (or coming close to) last year’s payroll.
Because that refers to what management wants to do. Not what they can do.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
So since you've mentioned me, I'll respond.
At this point, two weeks later, I can’t remember where I read that speculation. It didn’t come from me, as I said “it’s been speculated”.
Incidentally, I saw last night that this dollar amount, large as it is, is actually worth less in Japan than the Dice-K posting fee.
In 2006, $51.1 million was about 5.9 billion yen. Now, $51.7 million is about 3.9 billion yen.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
I just never saw that figure anywhere else.
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Wait ...
given the difference in the exchange rate, wouldn’t a $30 million posting fee for Darvish be equivalent to the Ham Fighters getting a third (or thereabouts) for Darvish as was received for Daisuke?
$30 million U.S. is worth about 2.3 billion yen.
In other words, the change in exchange rates would have been more likely to drive the price for Darvish up, not down.
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Yes.
I did not know the difference in exchange rates when I posted that.
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That doesn't make sense
You’re trying to insert a change in the exchange rate into a single bidding process. But Yu Darvish was not available to bid on in 2006. So he is not cheaper now due to the change in the exchange rate. That would only apply if you continued to purchase the same item over time – These jeans are cheaper now due to the exchange rate. It doesn’t matter what the exchange rate is – the winning bid was $51.7M.
And the Nippon Ham Fighters do not have to receive the posting fee in yen. They can decide to hold the posting fee in a dollar based account until such a time as the exchange rate is more favorable.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
Sure, it makes sense
They’re going to expect more in return for this player than they got for a “lesser” player several years ago.
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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 20, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
No, the bid is the bid
And the Nippon Ham Fighters either accept it or they don’t.
And in 2006, it was a different team – Seibu Lions.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
Well, it sounds like the Cubs' bid was far less.
https://twitter.com/#!/AndrewMarchand/status/149204392153841664
Cubs and Yankees bid less than $20 million.
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Must have seen the medical report
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Texas is now stocked with pitching
With a mediocre/good 1st baseman. I could see them making a move for Rizzo.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 20, 2011 9:22 AM CST reply actions
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