Officially Official: Cubs Get Travis Wood, Dave Sappelt, Ronald Torreyes For Sean Marshall
by Al Yellon on Dec 23, 2011 9:48 AM CST
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PrintAt last, this trade is has become and has been announced by press release from the Cubs. Here's the first tweet with the info from earlier today:
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keithlaw Cubs to receive Travis Wood, Dave Sappelt, and Ronald Torreyes for Sean Marshall. Deal to be announced later today.
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I have seen Dave Sappelt play, both in spring training and with the Reds briefly last year. He's 24, an outfielder, has decent plate discipline and plays good defense. In the lower minors he stole quite a few bases, but hasn't shown that in the last couple of years. I confess I know almost nothing about Ronald Torreyes, though from what I have seen on Twitter this morning, the consensus seems to be that the Cubs got a steal. Nice work, TheoJed.
The Marshall trade discussion needed an overflow thread at this point, so have at it.
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NIIIIIIICCCEEEE
Great deal imo. i really like Torreyes.
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One article I found had Torreyes as the Red's #12 prospect this year (after Latos trade).
Ronald Torreyes (2B)
Torreyes is another offensive minded second baseman that can flat out hit. He is such an instinctive and natural hitter that it sometimes works against him. He can make easy contact on pitches all over and outside the strike zone and he will frequently expand his zone and bloop balls or hit weak grounders that will be outs at higher levels. He lacks the strength to drive balls and will have to get stronger to keep pitchers from overtly attacking him with power pitches.
by CubFan90 on Dec 23, 2011 9:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds Castro-ish, IMO.
Another MI with a good hit tool that lacks the patience (at this point) to take his game to the next level.
by CubFan90 on Dec 23, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
except castro has the strength to drive balls
by John T. Unger on Dec 23, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
But younger than Castro so the strength can develop.
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But he played last season at 18.
He could easily put on weight to add some power. Maybe not 20+ homerun Utley power but maybe 10+ HR power with a good amount of doubles. For the record, Pedroia is listed at 5’9".
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
There's no way Dustin Pedroia is 5-9.
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
He hit five HR as a 17 year old in less than 100 games.
So he’s capable of hitting the ball out once in a while, if he can add 20 pounds over the next few years he could certainly have 10+ HR potential.
he looks like a little leaguer
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
If he were Jewish
he’d be perfect for Jessica.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
I have to rec this.
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by Craig in South Bend on Dec 23, 2011 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Build A Bear?
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Not unless he crashes into walls or throws a killer change up
Jeez people it is not like I was Aaron Miles or Theriot/Fonty fan.
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 23, 2011 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, we girls have standards, you know!
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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 23, 2011 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
That explains a lot.
:sighs, kicks rock while walking away:
He's 18.
Give the kid a chance to grow up!
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David Robinson grew 5 inches when he was 19.
There’s hope for him.
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by puckishcubsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
That "brain preserver" batting helmet doesn't help
But at just 19, he could easily grow a couple more inches and put on 30-40 pounds.
Enter "The Cubs Way."
"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach
But even though he doesn't walk a lot
he doesn’t strikeout a lot either. So far 38 walks and 38 strikeouts in the minors. Too many of the Cubs past prospects strikeout a lot and don’t walk. I hate that combo which is why I was always down on Colvin and have very little interest in Junior Lake. Even spray hitters like Tony Campana have horrible K/BB ratios.
Seeing the type of players that the new regime is bringing in is so refreshing.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
He has a 6% strikeout rate.
My bet is he will teach your AA team something about discipline.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 26, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
The guy he reminds me of is Jose Altuve
He’s a little bigger than Altuve (Heck, my three year old daughter is a little bigger than Altuve) and probably doesn’t drive the ball like Altuve can.
But the guy needs a new nickname. His old one was “The Little Red Machine.”
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Bulls Eyes
get it? torreyes? heheh
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Or....
"Hey Hey, Holy mackerel, no doubt about it,!"
by scottsdalecubs on Dec 23, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
so we should call him Joe
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Why should we like Torreyes?
Just curious. What’s his pedigree?
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by IowaCubs- on Dec 23, 2011 9:53 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Well he signed as an international FA a couple years ago.
And has tore the cover off the ball the last two years while being one of the youngest guys in the league he was playing in.
He's not going to hit of power
But he’s got a really high hit tool. Little guy who makes a ton of contact.
Best thing is though he hit .356 last year in the Midwest League and he’s only 19.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
He played last year at 18.
He just turned 19 in September.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Yes
He’s currently only 19. Hitting .356 in the MWL at 18 is pretty impressive.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
i just heard he also rarely if ever strikes out per 670 The Score
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Yep
He’s fanned 38 times in 705 PA in the minors.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
is that due to his eye at the plate
or the fact his strike zone is small due to his height
/sarcasm
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Hit the Midwest League
better than our guys did.
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Stevie Wonder
Could hit the Midwest League better than the Peoria Chiefs did last year.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
posted in the old Marshall trade thread
Just quickly reading through some scouting reports and numbers on Torreyes
the comparisons most are posting are to Jose Altuve. Ranked #12 in the Reds system after the Latos deal, looks like a pretty good get. In a 300 PA sample in the midwest league he posted an .855 OPS at just 18 years old. Looks like he’s been shooting up prospect lists of late
I’ve also always liked Sappelt. He’s a 4th OF but he takes pitches and makes consistent contact. Defensively he’s above average in a corner spot. He’s kind of like a poor-man’s Matt Murton. Given the OF glut we have I’m not sure how he fits in, but having depth with young cost-controlled players isn’t a bad problem to have.
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 9:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I was hoping of Billy Hamilton, but I like these 3. Good job, Cubs.
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by Mapanator on Dec 23, 2011 9:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hamilton was a pipe dream
all along, Corcino kind of was too…
this is a nice get
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 9:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think we might have nabbed Corcino as a 1 prospect deal with Wood.
But not with another top 20 included as well.
Just wondering.
Why is Sappelt a 4th OF? The guy looks like he can get on base.
not enough power to be an everyday corner OF
not enough defensive ability to play in CF
he can start on a non-contending team, but for a contender he’s a 4th OF type (IMO)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I thought you were thinking.
Seems like maybe another Brandon Guyer then, ya?
yeah similar values
I like Guyer a little more, but similar values
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
He can play as the back up center.
He is a good hitter. Bad baserunner.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 26, 2011 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
If you believe the reports
Torreyes is taller than Altuve by a few inches so he could develop more power. I don’t see Altuve ever having any power.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
Torreyes might have sneaky power.
At 17 in rookie ball he posted a near .200 ISO. Last year in A ball at 18 he still posted an ISO over .100. For an 18 year old in the MWL that’s something that may turn into a decent power hitter. At a similar level and age, Castro had an ISO of .089 for comparison sake.
I was hoping for pitchers
but this sounds very good. Sappelt tore it up last year in ST, but there was no room in the Reds OF. Torreyes sounds like a high-ceiling guy.
Nice work Hoystein!
"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester
adds depth
to minor league system…I’m Ok with giving up Marshall who will likely regress in next few years. be interesting to see how dusty (mis)uses him.
Cubs still need to add another pitcher, hoping for someone with more upside than Wood. And that’s bare minimum.
Nice job TeamTheo.
Time will really tell how we made out but on the surface this 3 for 1 is very slanted toward the cubs.
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by mrcubsfan on Dec 23, 2011 10:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Hmmm...
Sappelt averaged 36 steals per year between 2009 and 2010, any reason he stole only four last year? Injury? Seems like he could be a decent fourth outfielder, looks to hit for average, good speed, doesn’t K too much, can play a good center but with a week arm, and is capable of hitting one over the fence. I’m guessing he is Iowa’s CF to start the year.
Torreyes looks very interesting, he put up similar lines to Amaya and Hernandez, also at age 18 last year, but did it at low-A instead of rookie ball. He’s torn the cover off the ball in his first two seassons, looks to have some speed, a little sneaky power, and hardly K’s at all. Also has a really good fielding % at 2B. Anyone know why he hasn’t played more SS? Looks like he could start out at Daytona as a 19 year old this year, last guy who did that seemed to fair alright. So far I’m really liking this trade.
Daytona
Will be interesting. I figured DeVoss was going there to play 2B. Maybe he gets tried further in CF? Or the new kid does get tried at SS?
Either way – seems like a good get.
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by fsuapollo on Dec 23, 2011 10:27 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Mine as well let the new kid play some SS.
DeVoss definitely needs to start in Daytona. I don’t believe his future is at 2B, but I think they’re gonna try to give him some more chance before he’s moved to the OF. Wouldn’t break my heart if he was playing CF in Daytona, but that position could be pretty crowded as well.
Well, look at it year by year
2009: 47 SB
2010: 25 SB
2011: 5 SB
Seems like a trend rather than a 2011 outlier.
by SouthernCub on Dec 23, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a young Reed Johnson
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what's his
hair situation?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Apparently he does not have a great arm according to BA
That is why he has played mostly 2nd. He has played some SS and 3B but his arm and bat don’t really profile at those positions.
Bat doesn't profile at short?
But it does at 2B?
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
Arm doesn't profile at SS
Bat doesn’t profile at 3B.
2B is fine, then
He can push to take over when Darwin Barney gets moved.
10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.
As a reds fan, why Sappelt only stole 4 bases last year is easy.
He is very bad at base running. His speed led him to neglect that part of his game in the early minors. His instincts are consistently poor.
by Eastwindquinn on Dec 26, 2011 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
OT: Surprised to see 26 mil for Beltran
to cardinals. I didnt see anyone post this on the site yet, I think this is a little high for his age. And, nice to see teams getting older while we are getting younger. Let’s hope in a few years we have all the pieces in place.
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by mrcubsfan on Dec 23, 2011 10:11 AM CST via mobile reply actions
And a no trade clause...
If he performs like he did with SF last year, they just screwed themselves over.
THEO!
by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 23, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
Beltran hit
.323/.369/.551 for the Giants. I think the Cardinals will be fine with that.
He struggled right after getting traded, but he was very very good after that.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
and $14MM for Raf Furcal
… thats $40MM for 2 players that will prolly stink up the joint, they look kinda desperate
Pffft.
The same was said about giving a flyer to Lance Berkman — or going further back, Jim Edmonds. Nobody is better than St. Louis at seeing value in undervalued players. Those players often rebound in St. Louis and decide to stay there at lower prices out of loyalty to the fans.
And, say Furcal or Beltran sucks. They’re gone after 2013.
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by elgato on Dec 23, 2011 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I'll take that bet.
Seriously, the Cardinals do this every year, and almost always knock it out of the park.
The Cardinals are the best bargain shoppers in baseball.
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uh
You realize that there was a good market for Beltran, and $7 million a year for Furcal is No. 4 starter money for some teams.
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There was very little market for Beltran...
Which is why he only got 2 years.
Actually there were something like 5 or 6 teams in on Beltran.
He got 2 years because he is what, 36? Everyone knows he is a health liability. He wouldn’t be playing if he held out for a 3 year deal.
5 or 6 teams may have been in on Beltran for 2 years... not for his original demands.
That’s like saying Oswalt is in high demand. For 1 year? Yep, sure, but he wasn’t at all for his original asking price.
The market was created because Beltrans demands fell through the floor.
but by choosing to consider 2 years...
didn’t he create a market for himself?
by CubFan90 on Dec 24, 2011 9:44 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
You are questioning the Cardinals?
As said above, haven’t you seen this before? Kyle Lohse, Lance Berkman? You are not likely getting Beltran with a one year deal. Two years for a veteran like him is smart. With that kind of deal he isn’t going to be a Soriano albatross.
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I suspect the Cards will get what they are after with Beltran
They don’t need him for CF and don’t need him for 162 games. They are all in while Berkman, Carpenter and Holliday all have some performance left, then may well have a nasty crash.
The Red's Reporter reaction...
The headline in reaction to the minor league throwins at the Red’s Reporter says it all: “Worse than we thought it would be”
Here’s their thread: http://www.redreporter.com/2011/12/23/2657470/worse-than-thought-it-would-be#comments
Go Cubs, Bears, Bulls, Blackhawks
They are pissed over there about losing Torreyes
one person compared him to the next Pedroia. He only struck out 19 tims in over 300 PA in single-A.
that seems incredibly aggressive
pedroia had more pop and bb-ed quite a bit more if i recall in the minors
Torreyes is a good prospect but the only reason he’s drawing comparisons to Pedroia is because he’s small
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
I agree, just quoting some of the stuff they are saying...
but his stat line is very impressive in Single-A. Granted it is Single-A but he is only 19 years old.
Definitely seems like a Castro type at the plate
Young, great average, solid speed but not refined basestealing skills, not a lot of pop. But he only weighs 140 pounds right now and was 18-19 going against generally older players. It will be interesting to see how he develops and gains weight over the next few years. I’m intrigued for sure.
by SouthernCub on Dec 23, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
My goodness
Without being the naysayer, someone please at least somewhat temper the enthusiasm to realistic expectations here. I’ve seen “huge upside” and now “Pedroia” being floated recklessly here….Torreyes isn’t either of those. Cincinnati has a deep middle infield group and Torreyes happens to be at the bottom of the list of prospect options. No matter how much some of you believe Theo and company may walk on water, they aren’t going to be acquiring Dustin Pedroia clones as throw-ins for LH setup men any time soon.
by krummy12 on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Without being the naysayer
Looks like you failed in that.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Nuts
I wish I lived in your world Al where the Cubs are always just around the corner to contention and every unknown quanity “has a chance” to become an 8-time All-Star. Because I don’t, and because the moon is just as likely to fall into my backyard tomorrow as is Torreyes to ever be a major-league difference maker, go ahead and say it’s just nay-saying. Even if it is far more logical than the hyperbole being thrown about.
I'm glad I don't live in your world
… where every single thing about the Cubs is negative.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
His handle/nickname is Krummy.......
Coincidence? I think not…….
Because 18 year olds that hit .360 with 38 k's in A ball
are so easy to come by. Way too early to say he’ll never be a major contributor.
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by TheTruth11 on Dec 23, 2011 5:44 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Cinci board is pissed
Color me satisfied
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by timh815 on Dec 23, 2011 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
....that makes me happy :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 23, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
19 time in 300 ABs? THE NEW ERA HAS BEGUN
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by Doggie Stalker on Dec 23, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
Does getting Sappelt who is major league ready mean
there is a trade in the works? We now have seven outfielders, Soriano, Byrd, DeJesus, Johnson, Campana, Jackson, and Sappelt. That is obviously too many to carry, I could see Jackson and Sappelt start the year at Iowa, since Campana has too much value as a fifth outfielder and be brought up at the trade deadline.
i'd imagine jackson/campana
start the year in AAA
i’m not sure about the new CBA and what it did to Super 2, but if there remain arb loop-holes you can expect Theo/Jed to not promote Jackson till mid-season
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions
I think used right as a pinch runner not a pinch hitter
Campana has great value. More so than Sappelt, If we are in a close game and almost any of our vets lead off and get on base late, in comes TC and it should be an almost guaranteed run.
Agreed.
Sappelt probably starts the year at Iowa.
Or maybe he gets flipped in another deal.
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agree with your assessment
but i think they may try to save service time on campana
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 23, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Sappelt may end up replacing Reed Johnson as 4th OF
Byrd gets traded as soon as Jackson is in Chicago permanently.
So...what happens to RJ?
Released?
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Cubs should build a statue of his goatee after he retires.
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Fifth outfielder.
That’s what he was signed to be last year.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Depth in minor leagues = trade assets
I think this trade sets up two bigger trades with Garza, Byrd Marmol and Soto. Cubs are looking to get younger, faster and more athletic
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
Like the Sappelt get
Looks like a good platoon partner for DeJesus in right, defensive replacement for a LF as needed, possible pinch-runner and PH who can get on base. Didn’t show any ability to hit righties in the majors last year, but that’s OK.
Like Torreyes, too, but others hav said more about him.
actually I see versatility in the OF
dumping Soriano and trading Byrd for value either before ST, during ST or season appears likely, look at Nationals making a strong play and they still need OF support where they continue to covet Byrd.
Soriano will find a new DH home, the question is the price the Cubs have to pay.
That would leave the possible OF of LaHair, Jackson, DeJesus, RJohnson, Sappelt, Campana
RJ, Sappelt and Campana could play all three OF positions, along with DeJesus and Jackson.
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based on Theo/Jed philosophy
no way in hell LaHair sees the OF. ever. again.
Agreed as well.
Gone are the days of throwing anyone out into the field at any position regardless of defensive ability.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
There were a lot of legitimate gripes with the Hendry regime ...
but what you’re talking about isn’t one I’ve ever understood. Lots of teams move players around — look at Skip Shumaker, at Lance Berkman. The Cardinals have been one of the most successful teams in the past decade, and they mix and match all the time.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
I understand your point but
I never liked how Hendry never thought CF was a key defensive position. Soriano, Fukudome, it didn’t seem to matter.
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This might be ...
an instance where a sound practice was undermined by the Cubs’ poor implementation. Soriano and Fukudome were two very mentally fragile players, whereas the Cardinals seem to be able to identify adaptability.
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Fukudome
wasn’t signed to play Center.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
he was
yes. that means he was moved out of position.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
Which implies that Hendry didn't think it was a key position
Step Two: Develop an organizational plan
by Shanghai Badger on Dec 23, 2011 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're badly missing the point.
by Nunyabidness on Dec 23, 2011 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I'm sure.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
True but then Hendry moved him there with the Bradley signing.
My point was that Hendry didn’t seem to value CF. He figured he could play Soriano there and quickly realized that was a dumb idea. Same with Fukudome.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
well.
ok. But Soriano was signed with the intent of playing him in center. Dome wasn’t; he was forced there when Bradley came in.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
And Jim Hendry is the one who brought Bradley in...
please tell me this is just you trying to stick to one of your “yabbut-I’m-technically-right” things and NOT some lame attempt to defend Jim Hendry….again.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
I'm just saying
that Dome wasn’t signed to be a CF. Hendry put him there once Bradley showed up because he had to. Now, it may be that Hendry didn’t consider CF to be valuable in the sense that instead of signing a CF he got Bradley to play RF, but the intent to play Dome there wasn’t his original intent.
You used to be fun.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
So you're technically right....
and you’re trying to defend Jim Hendry.
The Cubs used to be good.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not trying to defend anything.
I’m pointing out facts.
I never figured you for fair-weather. All teams go through downturns. And don’t give me any sh!t about it being over 100 years; the Cubs contended several times between 2000 and 2010.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 3:13 PM CST up reply actions
Dude, we contended like 3 times in 10 years...be happy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
we contended
more than three times in ten years.
2001 — 88 wins, 3rd place
2003 — 88 wins, won the division.
2004 — 89 wins, 3rd place
2007 — 85 wins, won the division
2008 — 97 wins, won the division
2009 — 83 wins, 2nd place
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Drew is correct.
In fact, the 2001 team was in first place until mid August and contended well into September.
We know about the 2004 team.
Even the 2009 team was in first place in early August.
Six times in nine years.
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How about this fact...
In 2009 Fukudome played the majority of his games as the starting CF’er. Regardless of what position he was signed to play he played most of the games in 2009 as our CF’er. Keep pointing out the small details that don’t have much to do with the main point if you want to and then announce that you’re “pointing out facts.” The entire point rlpete was making was that the CF position was never valued much under Jim Hendry, and he’s right.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
the fact that Dome was playing out of position
isn’t a “small fact.”
But, hey. Clearly you’re more invested in this than I am, so how about you decide that you win, and I’ll move on.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Dec 23, 2011 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
And why was he playing out of position?
Because Hendry didn’t value CF defense.
He signed Soriano to play CF. He moved Fukudome to CF so that he could sign a RF.
In the context of this discussion, it doesn’t matter what position Hendry signed Fukudome to play. The fact that he cared so little about CF defense that he’d put a RF there is the point.
You can nitpick all you want on the side facts of the discussion. Doesn’t change the point of that post.
The Cardinals may not have been burned too badly by Berkman playing the outfield
but he certainly wasn’t GOOD out there. Everything that wasn’t hit directly to him was an adventure.
by Nunyabidness on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think I said he was good defensively.
Just that the move paid off overall.
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Oh, I don't know.
I doubt LaHair will get regular time in the outfield. But a start here and there? It could happen.
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Doubt it.
The Cubs seem to be stockpiling, you know, actual outfielders.
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And if LaHair makes the team as a reserve ...
they might want him to, you know, get a start every now and then.
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Unless LaHair is the starting 1B
… I don’t see much place for him on this team.
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Problem with that is he's probably the best offensive guy on the roster
Left field defense and 1st base defense are extremely over rated. You can stash a weak fielder at either spot.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
And if he's here in 2012
I envision him platooning with LaHair.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Platooning?
Not a chance. If you think Soriano is bad in LF, wait until you see a converted 1B play out there. It will be disastrous.
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Didnt Hoff do that for us already?
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Won't happen.
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subtract Byrd and Soriano from the OF picture
then see what the situation tells you
A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight
that situation tells me Jackson is in CF
and they traded/signed someone to play LF. there is pretty much no chance LaHair ever plays OF for the cubs again. if hes going to play LF, why bother moving Soriano? that wouldnt make any sense at all. People need to abandon this dream. LaHair, sure, might end up being the 1B, but theres 0 chance hes in the outfield.
We've determined this how exactly?
Right now LaHair is probably the best bat on the team. Somehow you’d think he’d find an opportunity to play.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
how on earth is LaHair the best bat on the team?
after a decent start, he had horrible numbers the final month. which is why he was a 29 year old in AAA. he’s not good.
Horrible numbers the final month?
He only played the final month. And in that final month he put up an .885 OPS.
He had a bad last 8 games (4-29, 1 XBH, 11 K). He had a good first 12 games. Those bad 8 games are a pretty small sample size (as are the good first 12 games).
Now, I’m certainly not going to say he’s probably the best bat on the team. But right now, there may not be an .800+ OPS bat on the squad. I think LaHair certainly has a chance to do that. It’s not great production, but the bar is pretty low right now.
He deserves a shot to play
but comments like he is the team’s best bat are just crazy
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
What?
LeHair had an .885 OPS in September.
If anyone OTHER than Bryan LaHair did that in a Cubs uni you guys would be bronzing statues and hall passing their shortcomings on a wholesale level.
Think of it less as a 29 year old quasi- rookie and more of a guy held back by the worst front office in baseball.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
The Cubs only picked him up in 2010.
Jim Hendry and the past regime certainly didn’t make the Mariners keep in AAA.
Don't confuse his rant with actual facts
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 24, 2011 7:56 AM CST up reply actions
LaHair is the team's best bat?
time to put the eggnog down.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Who else even puts up an 800 ops on this current roster?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
It was one month ... get a grip
Now go get a paper bag, sit down, place the bag over your nose and mouth, and breath regularly until the dizziness and crazy talk goes away.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 5:10 PM CST up reply actions
1 month after
Several years of phenomenal minor league performance.
Maybe he doesn’t maintain? But lord knows we tout and give opportunities to kids that never produce anywhere near him at any level.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Castro, Soto and Soriano all have a pretty good chance of putting up an .800 OPS
In fact, I’d say all of them have a better chance of doing it than LaHair.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 23, 2011 10:24 PM CST up reply actions
Oh DeJesus also put up an .800 OPS 3 of the last 6 years.
Pat Riley is the devil.
by Poloplaya14 on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't say a "good" chance
I’d say there’s a chance that any of those could do it. I wouldn’t say it’s the likely outcome.
Castro is, in my opinion, the most likely to do so. But if he does, I suspect it’ll still be pretty close to the .800 mark.
The fact that we are suggesting we have 3-4 regulars who might be in the neighborhood of an .800 OPS says volumes about our lineup.
i was hoping Frazier would be included
but this isnt a bad haul. and i agree, with the stockpiling of outfielders, SOMETHING has to be in the works here.
OK, this makes more sense
Sounds like the minor-leaguers aren’t filler. Perhaps this will work out as a win-win.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM CST reply actions
Not always a win-win
Now, it is.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
It was very possibly a win-win from the beginning
There was a very real chance that Wood (because he’s a starter) would provide more value than Marshall (because he’s a reliever) even without the prospects. And he’d do so at a savings of $2.5+ million this year, which is money that could potentially be used toward getting Fielder.
Getting a prospect like Torreyes is supposed to be just makes it much more likely to be a win-win.
Obviously there are no guarantees either way.
by SouthernCub on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
True, but there's more strength in numbers
Three potential OKs = one very good known quantity.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Stop making sense.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 23, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure, it's MORE of a win-win now
Obviously it’s better to have more useful guys coming back. My point was simply that even in a straight up deal there was a reasonable chance it was win-win.
Not a Win-Win
Now it’s Home Run
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Goes to show why your opposition to trading veteran talent makes little sense
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 10:49 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, it doesn't
It depends on the circumstance. Is that so hard to understand? Or are you just trying to pick a fight? At least if you conceded the last point, I could have a little respect for you.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Pick a fight? No, that's your schtick.
Yes, it does depend on circumstance, good to see you acknowledge that, and this is the right circumstance for the Cubs to be trading veteran players for multiple young players.
As for you respecting me, that is of no consequence.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, for Christ's sake
You can’t make a blanket statement like “this is the right circumstance for the Cubs to be trading veteran players.” You have to look at each circumstance on its merits.
If you can’t see that … well, you’re hopeless, although that might be too late for you.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
NBF says "You can't make a blanket statement..." Everyone says "LOL"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
LOL
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Merry Christmas, guys and gals
Glad to be of service. ;)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 2:20 PM CST up reply actions
LOL
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by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 23, 2011 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
only NBF is allowed to make blanket statement apparently.
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
That is the worst idea I've ever heard in my life.
Yes. It is horrible, this idea.
It's pretty much just how you explained it
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Judging from the Cubs' haul, yes it was
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by lookingdeadred on Dec 23, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Bad trades in your division are bad
Great ones are stellar,
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Thank you for posting
I know you’re not always negative and wanted to see the minor leaguers before judging this trade. Glad you also see upside here. I’m very pleased with the deal, myself.
nice haul for a relief pitcher
high five, jedstein!
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 10:36 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
great haul. And while Marshall was a really good reliever he was just that still a reliever. With he changes in comp picks if/when he left via FA we would not have gotten much. Wood has a chance to be a solid MOR guy who i’ve always liked. Saplett could be a nice bench piece but the real gem is Torreyes. i really thought the 2 minor leaguers would be just after thoughts but not so.
Very very nice haul. MLBTR reports the Cubs are in full blown rebuilding.
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I got to see Torreyes play against the Lugnuts this past season.
I like him. Good hitter- Led the Dayton Dragons this season. Seem to remember he was a decent fielder- at least against us. Only 3 errors in 67 games for Dayton. You never know at Low-A, but… might work out well for the Cubs.
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Off topic, but
I’ve seen Jake Marisnick floated with Deck McGuire in possible Garza negotiations. They’ve both been through Lansing. Any impressions? Thanks.
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I wonder what you could get from the Jays in a Garza deal?
McGuire, Drabek and Travis Snider would probably be enough for me. Especially if we are punting 2012.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
McGuire, Marinsick, and lefty pitcher Justin Nicolino
are the guys being rumored (ESPN Chicago).
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Seems like a solid package.
McGuire should be in the majors before too long, B+ prospect , should be a major workhorse innings eater, upside of high 3, low 2, IMO. Marisnick is their #2 prospect under D’arnaud according to Sickels. Seems like a huge upside OF…maybe so Cubs can send Jackson for Rizzo. Nicolino is 2010 draft pick who skyrocketed his status in his first season..pretty high upside, although I prefer Syndergaard.
Those are the guys Cubs are inquiring about. I seriously doubt we could acquire all 3
Although I tend to believe that’s the type of package it would take. One of their top tier SP prospects(Syndergaard,Nicolino), one of their second tier(McGuire, Hutch, Sanchez,Wojo,Cardona—obviously some of those are safer prospects than the others) and then one of the bats—hadn’t even considered Marisnick. I had looked at Anderson and Jimenez however. The report also says that the Cubs don’t like where trade talks are going.
I don't know about McGuire, but Marisnick was one of our best players in 2011.
Nicolino and Syndergaard both came up to Lansing from Vancouver late for the MWL playoff run. Both were dominating starters (at least at low-A). Syndergaard is a ‘physical specimen’ as they say. Big kid.
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Now adding Sappelt, where are we gonna play with all these young OFers?
Seemed we alleviated the logjam a bit by trading Colvin, but now we add Sappelt after signing DeJesus and RJ.
Please find a way to move Soriano!
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
There's
A “your momma so poor” joke in there somewhere…
They have two liter bottles now? To think I spent all that time demanding a liter!
Sappelt will be the #5 OF for now
He’ll be the defensive caddy for Soriano when they’re winning, while Reed Johnson will be the double-switch guy when they’re losing so he can lead off or bat second in the 8th or 9th.
Eventually he keeps Brett Jackson honest in CF/LF – doesn’t seem that he has the arm to back up DeJesus in RF, I suspect that will split between Reed Johnson and the backup 1B.
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 4:23 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds like mostly g'news.
Way to go Theo & Jed — and let’s give Jason McLeod some credit here, too, no?
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Amazing what kind of return you can get ...
when you trade without making it look like you’re desperate to trade him.
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when you trade A PLAYER ...
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I can remember Hendry doing this exactly once with an estabilished player.
Mark DeRosa. While the timing of and moves made after that trade were horrific, Hendry did net Chris Archer, a key piece in getting Matt Garza.
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That's true.
I still resent the fact that we broke up a 98 win team. And to make it sting worse, added Aaron Fkn Miles the next year. Baaah!
Sorry, Joey Gathright made it better… Baaah! Noooo!
Yes, very little downside for the Cubs
The most the Cubs could lose in the deal was 1 year of Sean Marshall. So there could be some gravy for the Cubs here.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 23, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
I'm kinda sad to see Marshall go ...
but I like this trade. Should be really interesting to see what’s next …
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Same here
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 23, 2011 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Who knows?
The possibility exists that the Cubs could re-sign Marshall next year too. Wouldn’t that be a hoot?
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Dude, you became a caricature of yourself, don't get mad because others expect you to live up to it.
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Who said I'm mad?
Why is it you always try your damnedest to start arguments on here? If how I respond to certain things offends you in some way…good! Block me. Don’t read it. Don’t respond. To put it in a term you can understand…FO.
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Filipino Onion?
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Torreyes
was the guy at the top of my list of “realistic names for the two unknown minor leaguers.” And Sappelt is a lot like Heisey, with a little less power—definitely a useful, major league ready player. I think this paves the way to deal Byrd (or dare I hope Soriano) without rushing Jackson into the majors for next spring.
This is a nice deal.
good pick up
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Please, deal away Byrd!
If they want to give Jackson a couple more months, mix in Sappelt/Johnson/Campana until June. Of course tradins Soriano would be the best case scenario, but I’m not sure how likely that is.
Mid June 2012
Avoid Super 2
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He's not getting called up to be a fourth outfielder.
Byrd shouldn’t be any roadblock for Jackson, either trade him or put him on the bench.
I'd like him to be traded.
But if not, I just don’t think Byrd will be supplanted in season unless he’s struggling mighty badly. I agree he shouldn’t be a roadblock, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
DUMP GARZA
I think they'd be more than willing to trade him.
Unless by some miracle the Cubs are competing, and Byrd is a key player leading them to victories, which would be even crazier. I’m not worried about our current OF blocking a top 50 prospect if he keeps ripping in Iowa for two more months.
Me too.
I’m starting to feel they don’t want him on the opening day roster. I don’t think it’s because they don’t think he’s ready, they may just rather not start his service clock in a year that they don’t expect to compete in. I think just about everyone should be expecting him before July.
Shouldn't be a terrible contract to try to spin off, and we don't need much in return.
If someone could use him, they can have him.
missed on hamilton but told you about sappelt :)
by BestKeptSecret on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
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by digitalbenjamin on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 AM CST reply actions
Another point on this:
Marshall is one of the few players to come up through the Cubs system and have a steady impact over several years. The Cubs got most of his production at a very good price, and then flipped him when he got more expensive.
The Cubs have had so few players in the past decade where this was even an option, it’s not funny. But once they start stocking the minor-league pipeline, they can do this maneuver (selectively) over and over.
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I'd say it's a fun 'start' to the offseason.
It will be fun when we’re not figuring on Bryan LaHair as our starting first baseman (thunderclap).
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THEN we'd have too many outfielders. :)
My guess? I bet Soto’s on the block.
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LoMo plays OF/1B
And at least two of the 2011 staring OFs have “for sale or lease” signs in the windows.
I didn't know LoMo played first.
Is he any good defensively?
Even if the Cubs trade Byrd, I find it almost impossible to believe they’ll trade Soriano. So, Soriano, Johnson, DeJesus, Jackson, Sappelt AND LoMo?
Don’t see it.
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LoMo is actually a 1st baseman.
They’ve been playing him in LF due to Sanchez. He’s not a good LF’er.
John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?
marlins wouldn't trade lomo for gio gonzalez
not going to happen
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
FWIW, he's apparently been raking down in Venezuela.
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Let him keep raking down there
He cannot be the Cubs starting first baseman.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Well he CAN be
But it’s probably not a good idea unless Theo has already told Sveum that a 75-85 season is ok for 2011.
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Even if that were true,
he still can’t be the starting 1B.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 23, 2011 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Sure he can
He’d just be bad at it. The problem is that they have Soriano clogging up what should be a premier offensive position in LF. Otherwise, if Theo was content with 75-85, and somebody else goes and offers Fielder 8 yrs/$200M, then he can stick LaHair in the 7-spot and be done with it for a year.
Of course, in that situation, I’d rather resign Carlos Pena for another two years as long as I didn’t have to give him a full no-trade clause.
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
Re-signing Pena seems like admitting defeat
Pena was a failed prospect until getting a shot to finally play at 29. No reason LeHair can’t do the same.
Pena and LaHair have extremely similar ML statistics.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Well, sort of similar
Pena wasn’t exactly a failed prospect. He had 4 pretty decent seasons in his mid-20s before not landing the gig with the Red Sox at 28.
Also, Pena’s minor league walk rate was much better than LaHair’s.
2 rainouts?
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No, I just can't add this late on a Friday!
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
Make him the new Daryle Ward.
Don’t make him the new Derrek Lee.
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When Daryle Ward came to the Cubs....
… he had played over 200 outfield games, including a year as a starting OF for the Pirates and Astros.
Needless to say, that does not describe Bryan LaHair.
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We got into this debate over the summer.
You fail to mention that by the time Ward got to the Cubs he too could barely play the outfield.
I’ll bet you a Big Gulp that LaHair makes the team as a reserve, Al.
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I don't know why you want to squash a guy like that into a role he's not suited for.
The Cubs appear to be, as Theo and Jed said, getting better athletes to play the outfield. Bryan LaHair doesn’t qualify.
IMO, he’s either the starting 1B (if Fielder is not signed or another similar deal is not made), or he’s off the team.
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We're talking about maybe 15 starts in the outfield.
If that. No one’s saying LaHair would be the starting right fielder, Al.
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That's 15 games where you are tossing away OF defense.
Again, I don’t think TheoJed see LaHair in that role.
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even if LaHair is on the roster, he will NOT be in the OF.
it’ll be starting 1B or hes a bat off the bench. They are stockpiling OF. there is no reason to put him out there. period. otherwise why bother trading soriano? at least fonzi has proven something at the big league level.
So what happens
if, for example, you re-sign Pena and keep LaHair to hit off the bench. What happens when Soriano is hurt and LaHair is mashing pinch hits & in spot starts?
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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 23, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
Enter Brett Jackson.
with the premium theo/hoyer put on D, they will not allow this team to be in a position for LaHair to play the OF. not to mention he had a horrible final month last year. because he’s not as great as everyone seems to beleive.
Sappelt doesn't seem to have the arm to play RF
I think that LaHair will be on the roster and that you’ll occasionally see him in RF after he pinch hits with men on base. (DeJesus either coming out for the pitcher or moving to CF to replace Byrd. )
But I seriously doubt that he’ll ever start in RF.
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
And the reason he'd stay in is
That you’d want him to be available to move to 1B should the starting 1B get hurt.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 5:07 PM CST up reply actions
I think this is a great deal for the Cubs...
As a Cards fan I love to keep tabs on what the other competition in the division is doing. Pretty rare these days to see trades within the division also. But to get a SP that I think can develop into a solid #3, and what seems to be a good young potential IF and young OF depth. Marshall was one of the better 8th inning guys the last couple oif years but if you can get that for a set up guy. Kudos!
by Pork Chop Express on Dec 23, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Aa talks on the deal progressed... errr... stagnated,
I popped over to the Reds site. Lots of hitters not bery interested in walks. But Torreyes caught my attention. I guess whichever outlet posted ‘a B- and a C-’ was awfully close.
Who’s next?
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Altuve comp sounds reasonable.
As an old-timer, I thought of Dave Cash.
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Cash walked a good deal
But otherwise, that’s not bad.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Altuve, I believe...
… is going to be a very good major league player. Hope for the same for Torreyes, even if that’s three or four years from now.
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I'll miss Marshall
But we did get a good haul in return. These things never seem to happen for the Cubs.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
stockpiling OF's now?
Does anyone else think we might possibly flip an OF in part of a deal for Rizzo? Possibly Szczur….SD isn’t looking for anyone to compete this year
I wonder if?
Cashier and Szczur could get Rizzo? I’d probably do it if I were Thoyer. Especially if it also settled the Jed Hoyer and McCloud compensation issue.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
It's debatable whether I'd even do Cashner for Rizzo straight up
let alone throwing Szczur into the mix. I mean I probably would give into it, but I don’t like it.
Personally I'd put McNutt a smudge ahead of Cashner
Just because I trust his ability to start more than Cashner. JMHO
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Agree to disagree.
We’ve had the Cashner as a SP arguement before, and we’re obviously on different sides. I’m just not sold on McNutt’s down season due to injuries, especially after getting pushed around in the AFL. I’m hoping he can bounce back and become a top 100 prospect again, I’m just not sure how likely it is.
Both guys definitely have concerns attached to them going forward
McNutt’s issues were blisters as opposed to structural issues in a shoulder though. I think McNutt is a bit more durable at this time.
I’d deal either guy in a second if it helps the club land a young difference maker though.
FWIW: The one year that Cashner was a dedicated starter (2009) he threw 100 innings in 24 starts. So even pre-injury he was a 4 inning starter in A+/AA.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Well, in 2009 Cashner was building up arm strength since he was a reliever the previous year.
Early in the year he had a lot of 3 inning starts and by the end of the year had higher pitch counts and more five inning starts. And in 2010 made a good bit of 5-6 inning starts at AA/AAA. But we’ve beaten this horse already, so let’s move on.
And I’d probably deal either for Rizz.
Against Peoria in 2011
9 hits. 7 runs.
3 games.
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As
a Pirates fan I claim you have no room to say such things
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 24, 2011 1:41 AM CST up reply actions
Hopped over to the Red Reporter and they are not pleased with this deal.
Inspiring the Kicking of Tires Since November 2011...
Yep, we're not pleased at all
Verdict is split on Sappelt, but I don’t really care about him. Nice contact hitter, but he’s not a good baserunner (good speed, but lacks awareness) and is shaky defensively. 4th outfielder at best.
Losing Torreyes hurts tho.
I’m just relieved that it wasn’t Corcino going to the Cubs. That would have been really horrible.
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by cesarhernandez on Dec 23, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions
You did get a hell of a reliever
Although for only one year before free agency.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
They also get a great trade chip at the deadline
Unlike Jim Hendry who couldn’t figure out what to do with him.
If the Reds stink up the joint the first half of the year, and in this division I find it very difficult to be believe that they will, they can probably get back at the trade deadline at least 60% of the value they gave up.
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by Invalid User on Dec 23, 2011 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
The main thing I like about this
is that the Cubs took advantage of the Reds’ belief that they’re ready to win now and extorted a little of their future away from them.
yuppers
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It’s time we’re the extorters instead of being the extortees.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Yep.
We could really burn the Reds if Wood becomes a solid 3/4 and Torreyes is our 2B in a few years. Even bigger than a normal trade since we’re divison rivals.
And if Wood regresses
and Torreyes doesn’t make it out of AA, then the Reds win the trade.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
but it would still
have been a smart trade, even if it doesn’t work.
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Sure
But just because it was a smart trade for us doesn’t mean it was a dumb trade for the Reds.
Plus, my job around here seembs to be to temper expectations when they’re high and counter negative impressions.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
Makes sense for the Reds as well
Like it immensely from a Cubs perspective.
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Different priorities/timing make it possible for both teams to "win"
If Marshall helps the Reds make a run in 2012 and the guys the Cubs got boost them in the future, both sides get what they were after.
Not really
The Reds only get 1 year of Sean Marshall for sure. Their upside is capped at this point.
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 23, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
they also have Dusty Baker to misuse him
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by Cubbie-Tim on Dec 23, 2011 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think it’s much of a stretch
to say that in this deal the Cubs parted with their most effective player at any position on last year’s team. But he’s a set-up man. Yes, every position on the field is important, but probably none less so than a middle reliever.
It’s unreasonable to expect a front-line starter in return. A workable 3 or 4 starter is probably about right. Their relative contract years, plus the potential and flexibility of two solid minor leaguers, definitely skews the trade in the Cubs’ favor.
I think Wood is likely to at least be a capable 4/5 starter.
Let me clarify: if it works out how I stated above, the Cubs got an absolute steal. If Torreyes flames out and Wood gives us 3-5 years as a capable number four starter, I’d still say it’s a good deal for the Cubs. Certainly a risk I’m willing to take, I like our chances.
Castro was scrawny too
If you remember correctly, Starlin was a skinny little kid when the Cubs signed him and no one figured he’d hit for any power then. Torreyes does look a bit like a little leaguer right now, but even if he doesn’t grow a whole lot that only means a smaller strike zone to pitch to. Can’t but help his K/BB ratio……..lol. Anyway, I agree with earlier posts that its nice to see the new front office targeting this kind of player….who makes contact more and there is less concern for signs of a power swing (and the corresponding high strikeout rates).
Hit 3 HR last year.
Not much power, but can at least sting the ball a bit.
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And five the year before as a 17 year old.
That’s the same amount Jeimer Candelario hit at the same age this year, and everyone thinks he has the potential to be a big power hitter. Torreyes obviously isn’t going to be a middle of the order guy, but he certainly could become a double-digit HR guy down the road.
Yeah.
Maybe Boise in June
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No way
he’s going to Boise in June. He’ll play in Mesa in June.
I can’t remember the last time the Cubs sent an 18 year old Latin American kid to Boise. That’s a tough adaptation.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 23, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm.... Arismendy Alcantara in 2010?
And Candelario was actually born in America, and is a hell of a lot more talented than Alcantara.
Hey, with "smallish" players like Campana and now Torreyes...
it puts the real meaning back into the name “Cubs” (baby bears).
If it helps bring us a World Series appearance within 7 yrs., then I don’t care how tall they are!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Dec 23, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions
You know what else I like?
Willing to trade in the division if it’s the best deal out there.
I also think Wood has still potential upside. Looks like Kerry will have to add a K to the back of his uniform.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Dec 23, 2011 1:43 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like this deal.
Looking forward to seeing what Torreyes gets up to in Josh’s recaps next summer.
DUMP GARZA
by shoemile on Dec 23, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Torreyes...What HoF voters should have been saying even before Joe managed the Yanks.
But speaking of 5’7" Reds second basemen, there’s one already in the Hall, self-proclaimed to be the greatest ever. Although it took Joe Morgan a decade or more to hit for power consistently, he did have great OBP from the start.
Who cares if Torreyes doesn’t have 20-home run potential? When he teams-up with Castro in a couple of years, we could be looking at a new version of Little Looie and Little Nell, with the modern Looie as a 30-a-year home run guy. With Torreyes’ minor league stats, this looks like the best Cubs trade since the D Lee deal.
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Yeah getting Robinson Lopez was huge!!!!
(Sarcasm) obviously you’re talking about the first D Lee deal.
Represents a #2 hitter
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Agreed there
Might even create a scenerio where Castro could become available for the right price?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
uh. not seeing that,
unless the price is obscene.
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He begins being arbitration 1 after this year
So it’s not a firm no on him if somebody offers a Latos or Holliday type of trade offer for him.
21 doesn’t matter as much when you are a free agent at 26.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
A Latos type trade offer for Castro?
Hell no. That’d be the worst deal ever. Latos and Castro shouldn’t even be in the same sentence.
Closer in value than you think
Latos WAR
2010. 4.0
2011. 3.2
Castro WAR
2010. 2.6
2011. 3.4
4 years of arbitration $ club control probably means you are looking at a similar return.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
Castro is also three years younger and plays a more valuable position
I don’t know what you have against Castro, but you’re always the first to try to trade him and devalue him.
I really like Castro
I just feel that everyone is available at the right price.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
article on torreyes
i like this part
His homers were crushed, leading one scout to hang the nickname "little power plant" on him.
"Power is just about back-spinning the baseball," DeShields said. "He has a knack for creating backspin. He gets to the ball in good position."
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
nice catch.
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Yep
the Cubs got two solid prospects to go along with Wood.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 23, 2011 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
little power plant = or =/= to little babe ruth?
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 23, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Great article--thanks for the link!
Man-the more I read about Torreyes, the happier I get. Sounds almost too good to be true and that his size is irrelevent.
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1/4 of the voters
meh this trade?
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3/4 of the fanbase
meh this team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3/4 is generous
more like 3.99999999999991/4 meh this team
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
the team, yeah
this trade, not even
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It's really difficult to invest much emotion (good or bad) regarding a transaction whose end result is still up in the air...
especially when it evolves a team that just makes you feel dead inside.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
It makes my listening to Daytona games next year
more amusing.
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...
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Yes, just not for first place.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 3:29 PM CST up reply actions
can we will contend for pitchers not to trade?
to remain in contention of the non contending?
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I don't mean to sound contentious...
but I literally have no idea what you just said.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 23, 2011 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Torreyes HR link
in Fanshots. I lurve Youtube
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Hey, today is the 23rd. Happy Festivus Cubs fans!
Each Festivus begins with the airing of grievances. Who wants to go first? Oh wait…
But then how do we demonstrate the Feats of Strength?
Not really happy about
losing Marshall and not really sure about Wood.
Prospects are just that - prospects. It remains to be seen what will happen. Hopefully, it will turn out positive for the Cubs
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Well this picture is no longer useful. Adios!
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@ RIP Slim--Mike Brown rocks
I wish other GMs had the guts he did and wouldn’t cave in to pechulant overpaid underperformers like Carson Palmer. Brown waited and waited and finally found a sucker in the Raiders—if they’d only play better he’d get 2 first prounders for Palmer and STILL has the Bengals alive for a playoff berth at 8-6 and 2 to go.
There are a few of us Titan fans who did not want to see Chris Johnson resigned—but nope—they gave $30M guaranteeed and he has truly sucked this year. He was under contract and refused to report to camp. They couldn’t even give him a physical or anything and he tweets remarks about wanting more money than Adrian Peterson—he wanted “playmaker” money like Brees..what a joke. Then to top it off and when fan backlash commenced, he made remarks about fair weather fans,etc. We need more Mike Browns. Just my little rant on players under contract who make demands. :-)
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Are you kidding?
Mike Brown is awful! He is easily one of the 10 worst owners in all of professional sports. Maybe 5 worst.
May be in a class by himself
He just got lucky with Palmer – a blind squirrel finding a nut. The man and his spawn are a one-family warning about the dangers of nepotism. The last member of the Brown family who knew anything about running a football team was the old man and he has been dead for 20 years. And I get to pay an additional 0.5% in sales tax for the damn stadium that he can’t come close to filling.
Nope not kidding--I truly admire his guts
on the whole Carson Palmer debacle. A spoiled brat like Palmer thinks that while under contract he can demand to either be traded or else he’ll “retire.” Come on!! Can you go to your boss and demand a raise or extension and have the tinest of prayers of geting it?
So what happens? Brown says—ok cowboy—i call your bluff—retire. The1st round pick (Andy Dalton) comes in and plays terrific football—Palmer loses a small fortune in pay and when the inevitable QB injury occurs—the Bengals gets terrific draft compensation for a butthole that they didn’t want any more anyhow.
He may have gotten lucky—but I wish every owner in pro sports would follow his lead.
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As a resident of Cincinnati, my view of Brown is much, much more negative
Basically held up the county for a new taxpayer financed stadium for a team run by the inept members of his family. Brown family members infest the front office like cockroaches in a slum property, probably because they could not find honest work elsewhere. Worst and smallest scouting department in the NFL. Almost continuously drafting in the top 5 of the draft because the team has made a habit of being bad for 20 years. Regularly plays to 25,000-30,000 empty seats.
Any owner following Mike Brown’s lead is just trying to destroy the value of their team.
mike brown can eat a d
won’t buy an indoor practice facility,so they practice in the cold.
let JJoseph whom he drafted walk away when we had 52 mill to spend. he got lucky with Palmer because Oakland is flipping braindead. he doesn’t care about winning(see keeping Marvin Lewis around). not to mention he employs 2 scouts when others have 5+. oh and he’s terrible with contracts. we had warren sapp and Shaun rogers(in there prime) commit to signing only to have brown redact or change amount. being a cubs and Bengals fan is the worst. I live every day in sadness over how awful we are. the Bengals have gotten rid of trash and are young. I see the same changing with cubs. makes me excited.
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by RIP Slim on Dec 25, 2011 1:38 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
Good deal.
I just like the fact that Jed/Theo are going about business totally different then we are accustomed to. Hey, I am all in.
Now, whats next?
Cock-a-doodle-doo!
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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 23, 2011 3:51 PM CST reply actions
From the Mouth of Theo
On Marshall
“In the case of Marshall … we took a short-term asset — one year of Sean Marshall — and turned it into what we hope will be three long-term assets,” Epstein said.
On Garza
“With regards to Matt Garza, perhaps nothing happens. Perhaps we’re able to turn him into a long-term asset by extending him on a deal that makes sense for everybody. Or, we’ll certainly listen to [offers], because there’s always an active trade market for top-of-the-rotation guys with two years of club control.”
On Donner, on Blitzen!
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Was worried until I saw who the minor leaguers were
Without the minor leaguers, I would have wanted a more solid #3 starter for Marshall, but this deal gives us:
- A #4 starter to replace Randy Wells, under serious cost control for at least 2 more years and then arbitration eligible.
- A prospect that should be ready to take over for Darwin Barney as the everyday 2B just as Barney hits arbitration-eligible status
- A #5 OF who can play CF/LF for April and May, so that Brett Jackson can continue to get at-bats until Byrd is traded. He will be Soriano’s defensive caddy.
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Funny..........
I’ll bet people’s “negative” responses while waiting were based on being influenced by Hendry’s deals……….this is the first real wait and see with Theo/Jed, and it turned out pretty well IMO. We’ll have to see if this carries over to the next “wait and see” deal………..
I hope Tony Campana had a nice apartment in Des Moines
Because with both Sappelt and Johnson on board, and LaHair as the backup 1B and #6 OF, Tony’s not going to be seeing Chicago for a while.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
I think we should be happy
if Wood gives us even 1 or 2 seasons as a reliable #5. This whole #4 with 3 upside seems like a stretch, but whatever.
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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 23, 2011 4:36 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Torreyes
is pronounced how?
I missed that series last year.
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Works for me.
I read more than i hear with names.
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caveat: that's roughly it
it’s hard to describe the double-r sound. Maybe better written tore-RAY-ace. (gotta roll the tongue more on the “rr”). :)
extra caveat: that’s assuming there’s no missing accent mark, which would move the emphasis off of the next-to-last syllable.
As per Micah Gibbs
who has played against him
tore_ay_ez
Twitter help on occasion.
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That's an Americanized version
in Spanish, the letter e always makes the sound of an “a” (like the Canadian “eh”, not like the doctor’s “ah”).
We Americans typically screw it up (like with Jose Reyes, anyone named Ramirez or Rodriguez, etc).
But Gibbs’ pronunciation is close enough.
if lahair is the starting 1b next year i will personally punch theo in the face
Happy end of the fiscal fourth quarter to all!
Does this put the Maholm talks on hold?
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by LongLiveHarryCaray on Dec 23, 2011 5:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I don't see Garza being traded unless..
Theo can get us a huge haul in return or Garza doesnt look like hes going to sign an extension. I like the idea of building a solid pitching staff around him. Let’s just hope the FO doesn’t get too trigger happy trying to rebuild
padawan of TheoJedi Masters
by LongLiveHarryCaray on Dec 23, 2011 8:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I think they will wait until the trading deadline now .
I think they can get a better haul to trade him to a contender at the trade deadline than someone now. Of course I would just as soon sign him to an extension.
It does feel nice
That I have a feeling of trust in our current front office.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "
I feel that too
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by cooliogirl47 on Dec 23, 2011 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
He doesn't have much of a market right now.
Jays are pretty much it. So it’s all dependent if they give up the guys or not. I certainly hope they do because their system is stacked.
super late bc of travel
this deal rocks. smart move, even though I’ll miss Marshall.
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by slcathena on Dec 23, 2011 9:48 PM CST via Android app reply actions
I keep having a feeling that Torreyes gets flipped
in a deal for Rizzo. I don’t know why. I can just see Torreyes as a Padre.
i was reading the cubs.com comments about this trade
i feel dumber now
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by jesus christos on Dec 23, 2011 11:03 PM CST reply actions
not
happy when i first heard the trade but it really makes sense. seems like theo talks out of both sides of his mouth.so take whatever he says with a grain of salt.now sign kerry so we can have two players named wood on the team.
Big thumbs-up on this deal
After initial hand-wringing I’m satisfied that Theo/Jed obtained great value for Marshall. MLB video has a clip of Sappelt making a nice leaping catch against the LF wall on a ball that Soriano would’ve watched in dazed confusion. I’d love to see Sappelt dominate this Spring (as he did in ’11) and finally displace clueless Soriano in LF. The real prize might be nimble gloved Torreyes who appears destined to be a high-average, high-contact, hit-and-run guy batting 2nd. If Wood somehow regains in 2010 form this deal will be outright theft.
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Oh, and here's hoping
each of these guys repeatedly haunts the Reds and dumbass Franchester "Marty"Brennaman.
Franchester? Really?
I'm wet nurse to a last-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
According to the story, his father's two best friends
were named Frank and Chester. Hence, Franchester.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 24, 2011 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
That sounds exactly like something a Brennaman would do.
Dumb.
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OF depth
You guys are forgetting Baker and DeWitt in the outfield depth chart ;)
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