Report: Cubs submit bid for Pujols
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports: The Cubs met Monday night with the agent for Albert Pujols and it was confirmed early Tuesday morning that they submitted a bid for the Cardinals slugger.
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And now we play the waiting game...................
Oh, the waiting game sucks – let’s play Hungry Hungry Hippos!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
by DKT on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Let's see... that's Carlos Silva, David Wells, Kevin Mitchell and who's the fourth again?
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Kruk in his prime?
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by DKT on Dec 6, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
Ahem...Prince Fielder?
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Bob Hamelin?
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
sorry - I'm not playing for future performance...
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by DKT on Dec 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
I juest texted this to my buddy
My phone auto corrected Pujols to Linoleum? Hahaha
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by SackMan on Dec 6, 2011 9:00 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Well, he is tough and stain resistant.
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I can't imagine competing with the Marlins ten year offer.
I hope this is just a ploy to get St. Louis to up the ante.
就是今年！
by CubFanInChina on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
It depends on the dollars.
The Marlins could have offered more years, but less total dollars. We just don’t know.
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by Al Yellon on Dec 6, 2011 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I suspect we've...
…made a high dollars/lower years offer. We’re trying to buy future near-term performance that is probably undervalued in a longer-term contract.
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ten years is fine and great but maybe the cubs offer more per year
by drodd on Dec 6, 2011 9:02 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's my guess.
The problem with the whole brinksmanship idea — that Theo is just getting involved to up the price — is that it could also up the price on Fielder and Pena.
If Albert gets $28 million, then Fielder should get $25 million and Pena should get $15 million, etc.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Pena getting 15 after getting 10 last year? Ouch,
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Yeah, that might have been a bit high.
But the general point stands.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Pena getting 10 after his 2010 season?
I was a Pena supporter, but even I thought that was high. Shorter contracts usually equal higher per year salaries.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
He'll get $10 million.
There aren’t that many first basemen out there, and Pena does some things pretty well.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Like smile.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
and frees lab rabbits.
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by section229beer on Dec 6, 2011 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
But seriously
Walks.
101 walks. Only five Cubs have walked 100 times in a season in the last 100 years.
Hack Wilson (1930), Richie Ashburn (1960), Gary Matthews (1984), Sammy Sosa (2001, 2002)… and Pena.
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Wow.
That’s a really exclusive list.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
Yes, and it's so great that he got to do all that walking while batting in a premium RBI spot in the lineup...
but that’s more of Quade’s fault than Pena’s. Nevertheless, I still am not jazzed to have him back.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Take a look at the rest of that short list.
Only Ashburn was not a RBI guy, among them.
Walks and driving in runs are not mutually exclusive talents.
That said, I’m pretty “meh” on Pena returning.
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I'm not either, SWL.
I wasn’t saying the Cubs should give him $10 million — just that I think he’ll get $10 million somewhere.
Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Also walking a lot from a premium RBI spot in the lineup?
Fielder the last 3 years has been over 100 walks a season.
Pujols has been over 100 walks a season 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
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Carlos Pena with RISP for 2011...
.175 / .377/ .404
walking is the only freaking thing he did well with RISP. Don’t get me wrong, I value OBP more than the casual fan, but hitting .175 and slugging .404 from the middle of the lineup with RISP….fuck that.
Pujols with RISP 2011 .313/ .414/ .508
Fielder with RISP 2011 .314/.467/ .526
and what the hell…
Votto with RISP 2011 .383/ .508/ .674
Pena had no real business hitting in the middle of the order on a ML team, but we sucked so badly, he was ONE OF THE BEST OPTIONS on our roster. Again, I blame Quade/Hendry for this a bit more than I blame Pena, but that doesn’t take away how dreadful he was with RISP last year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
That is all true.
Doesn’t mean it couldn’t change next year.
Again, I’m pretty “meh” on Pena, and am NOT necessarily advocating that he come back.
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Oh come on
“Doesn’t mean it couldn’t change next year.”
Carlos Pena is who we thought he was. He’s a decent complimentary player if you have a lot of offensive talent already. He’s not someone you build a lineup around
Wasn't saying that.
Only that his RISP numbers could change from year to year.
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I got an adrenaline rush for like 10 seconds...
Calm down, self.
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Now Heyman has tweeted that the Cubs are more interested in Fielder.
I just can’t imagine the Cubs are making offers to jack up the price to make LaHair seem like a better bargain.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 6, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions
Don't pay attention to that man's tweets, or any "reporter's" tweets for that matter.
He has no credible information. He didn’t know we were going to submit an offer… he didn’t even know we were talking to DeJesus for crying out loud. Guy claims to have the inside scoop, and he doesn’t even have any scoop on the one signing we’ve made.
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All depends on the dollar amount.
If we offer more or the same amount of money for a 7 year contract that the Marlins offer in ten year contract, Pujols definitely should take our deal. Not only does he receive the same income, but he also has the opportunity to sign another contract after the Cub’s contract finishes.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
I want this player
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by Worf on Dec 6, 2011 9:35 AM CST reply actions 6 recs
Muskrat denies the report:
http://muskat.mlblogs.com/2011/12/06/126-cubs-bid-for-pujols-not-likely/
It could just be organization political talk here
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I'm guessing ...
TheoJed threw an offer at Albert as a sort of Hail Mary. “Hey Albert — we’ll give you more per year, but fewer years.”
If things don’t pan out with the Marlins or STL …
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by elgato on Dec 6, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah.
Was just about to post that link.
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So it can't be true, because it's not what Theo "said" he wanted to do??
That means next to nothing. Unless Theo said, “in no way shape or form are we going to go after Albert Pujols – under any circumstances” then he reserves the right to DO whatever he wants to DO to move the Cubs forward. There’s no harm in making an offer to Albert, even if it’s just to drive up his price tag…
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by DKT on Dec 6, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
I think its political talk, in the event that Pujols does not sign with us, or if we are trying to drive up the price
I feel like she can’t publicly state, “We really want to drive up the price so that the Cardinals do not have him!” I just have a feeling that wouldn’t fly.
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how does submitting a Bid work?
if we are in it just do drive the price up on the Cardinals, and its something stupid, like 5 years 300 million dollars, can we back out of that “bid”?
So i you can give you can take it.
She also doesn't need to claim that no bid was submitted - wouldn't that be counterproductive?
I take anything from Muskat with a grain of sale anyway… not much reporting that actually goes on with her from what I can tell.
Cubs submit bid for Pujols??
eBay? I have some money sitting at Paypal if they need a few dollars?
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Anyone remember when...
Theo put a claim in on Rivera, just to drive up the price for the Yankees? I think this is a very similar move. Drive up the price, and lets hope he does go to Miami so he’s out of the NL Central.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 9:52 AM CST reply actions
Rivera was on waivers?
I completely missed that, when was this?
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 6, 2011 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
No, I think this was at one point when Rivera was a free agent.
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It was Dec 3, last year
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2010/12/03/report-red-sox-made-offer-to-mariano-rivera/
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
So it wasn't a "claim"
… it was a free-agent offer.
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Sure sure, I was basing off memory until I could look it up.
But my point is, Theo isn’t against making offers on players just to drive up the cost. Was Rivera really going to leave the Yankees for the Red Sox?!? That’s laughable at best. Is Pujols going to leave the Cardinals? I highly doubt it. But now that there are more offers out there, and the Cardinals would be nothing without him, they have to increase their bid.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
You're absolutely right about Theo's method.
The Yankees might have returned the favor last year on Carl Crawford.
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I'd much rather
Pujols stay right where he is in St. Louis so he can eat a quarter of their payroll for the next 10 (declining) years.
by EcoGeek on Dec 6, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
did the Cardinals really only offer 8 years 111 million?
wow. as much as i hate to say this, no wonder Albert is shopping.
So i you can give you can take it.
Think this is a mistake...
…Pujols last deal with the Cardinals was $111 million over eight years. The final year was 2011.
It was in the Muskrat link.....
What was the supposed Cubs offer? What is Albert going to give the Cardinals for a home town discount? When it’s all said and done, I think an offer will have to blow him away to leave the Cardinals IMO.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
yeah, but if they are offering 111 million and we offer two, that would be blowing it away, no?
So i you can give you can take it.
the Muskat link above
The Cardinals have yet to change their offer of eight years, $111 million.
– Carrie Muskat
So i you can give you can take it.
Really?
They offered almost twice that much last February.
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That's got to be an error
At those prices, Oakland would be in the bidding.
by Josh Timmers on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 AM CST up reply actions
This from the STL Dispatch:
“the Cardinals apparently have yet to make a formal tender to replace January’s rejected nine-year bid of $198 million-$205 million.”
This just in:
Tampa Bay signs Pujols for 8 years, $90 million. Ha, yeah right… If the Cardinals best offer is $111 they’d better be looking for another first baseman.
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
There are Little League teams that could afford that
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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 6, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Wait, wait, wait
Are you saying Muskat doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about?
THAT’S NOT POSSIBLE!!!! NO! I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THIS! MUSKAT IS GOD!
by Nunyabidness on Dec 6, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I think we really need to remember that this front office is different than the last.
We’re not going to have a full on public viewing of what goes on behind closed doors until we have something official.
Theo knows how the business works, and while I hope I’m not putting too much faith in his abilities, I can’t help but wonder if all the rumours are simply writers guessing at what Theo and Co are doing, since they really have no clue at all.
I would love to have someone like Pujols on thee Cubs, but if it comes at the expense of mortgaging the future, I’m willing to pass.
I would also be skeptical of signing him to a long term contract unless we know the DH is coming to the NL.
But the most important thing to think about, is that they may be signing him right now, or they may not, either way, this front office knows how to go about things much more tight lipped than the previous.
by chrisw95 on Dec 6, 2011 10:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Home Town Discount
The discount came in the form of the first half of his career in St. Louis, when he was the best player in baseball, and paid like a middle of the road player. There will be no home town discount this time around.
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by Canadian Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:22 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
They offered him a % of ownership last year.
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I'm not in favor of signing Pujols for more than five years.
But I think the Cubs can afford him. After 2012 the big contracts, except Sori’s, are gone. Sure, we’ll have to pay Marmol, Soto, Marshall, Castro, etc., but there are very few payroll commitments after 2012. So a five year 25 (or even 30) million offer would actually make sense for the Cubs. Not sure Pujols would go for that but it cannot hurt to make that offer, can it? And a Pujols-less Cardinals and a Fielder-less Brewers and a Baker-led Cincinnati would make the division up for grabs, no?
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Do it.
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by section229beer on Dec 6, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
And now,
We wait. To hear the results.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 10:54 AM CST reply actions
The absense of a no trade clause for the Marlins deal might undermine it
http://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/statuses/144092182062706688
Honestly, good move by the Marlins. I’d trust the Marlins management to collect all these large contracts now, hope to win the World Series in two years, and then dump the contracts via trades. It’s how their “fishy” management (lol!) has operated for nearly the past two decades (i.e. 1998 and 2003).
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*Good move by Pujols
In addition, the Marlins signed Reyes under the radar to a deal without a NTC.
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Chill fellas...I know how to sign a FA First-baseman for crying out loud.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 10:56 AM CST reply actions
Now if only that were a Cubs uniform
this entire post would be moot, and I think most of us would be happy.
You want Pujols, you pony up the years
And really, shut up about the years.
1) Pujols at 40 will be better than a lot of other options. He’s that talented and that dedicated.
2) Even if that isn’t true, what the hell do we care what happens a decade from now? Signing Pujols helps us win in the next four years.
3) Big boy teams spend money and say to hell with the years. We’re supposed to be a big boy team.
I’d give Pujols 12 years if he asked for it. If St. Louis is seriously going to fuck around with this guy, we need to swoop in.
"It's all in the game, yo"
by Worf on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
That's unrealistic garbage
I’ve been alive 40 years. In that time
1972-74 – A’s win three
1975-76 – Reds win two
1977-78 – Yankees win two
1992-93 – Jays win two
1998-00 – Yankees win three
That’s it. That’s the list. You don’t repeat anymore. You don’t win multiple.
If signing Pujols wins ONE World Series, it’s enough.
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by Worf on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take ONE
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by DKT on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
TWSS....at first.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Then we're done
I’d never thought I’d see the day when a Cubs fan wasn’t satisfied with a World Series.
"It's all in the game, yo"
With one?
Never. I want my teams to win every year. Otherwise, what’s the point in rooting for my teams?
Go tell the Packers to take the rest of the year off. They won last year. They don’t need to keep playing.
These aren't the Packers
The Packers are the best franchise in the history of the NFL. They are the NFL Yankees.
The Cubs need to win one. You win one, the pressure is off. You win one, everything changes.
And realistically, NO player who is a big time free agent is going to take 3-5 years. Not when he can take 7-9 somewhere else. So, if that is your criteria, it ain’t happening.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Let's START with one, shall we?
Can we all at least agree on that?
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LOL....where did anyone say "after we win ONE WS, I don't care if we just fucking quit trying"
What the hell is it with the total BLACK/WHITE scenarios on BCB nowadays?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Ok, but I don't think that's what Worf meant....
but I’m not him, so I’ll just leave this be.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
It's not what I meant
I meant that if Pujols starts declining in year 6 and we’ve won ONE World Series in that time, it was still a successful signing.
Of course we’re going to try to win them all — in related news, I’m going to continue trying to sleep with Katy Perry — but I also think it’s stupid to NOT sign the greatest player of his generation because the chances that he’ll help you win one 8 years from now aren’t great.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Fair points here Worf.
My only question is, does Katy Perry mind your baby screaming in the background after your wife delivers?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Dec 9, 2011 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
"2) Even if that isn’t true, what the hell do we care what happens a decade from now? Signing Pujols helps us win in the next four years."
I agree with all your points except this one. People had the same rational for signing Soriano to such a long contract. Now look at people’s opinions toward that deal.
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SPECULATION
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
objection upheld!
Worf do you have any evidence to present to make your statement factual?
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by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
is there a link to an advanced stat and metric for this?
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by ballhawk on Dec 6, 2011 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But that was Hendry's signing
so it sucked.
All of Theo’s signing will work out extremely well.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 6, 2011 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
reverse stupidity doesn't work either
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by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I really doubt we’ll see the same form of regression from Pujols we have from Soriano.
Although 12 years may be a bit much, we are looking at a player who is HoF caliber right now.
However, if he does cost the future to sign, I’d pass, but, as Worf stated, we are a big market team, if we can suffer through the decline phase of Soriano, Pujols, even in decline, will be a better hitter, and while I can’t personally speak for Soriano’s work ethic, Pujols plays a slightly less demanding position, and could last for a bit longer.
Two words dude:
Alfonzo Soriano.
That is all.
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 6, 2011 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
You forgot to finish the sentence.
AlfonZo Soriano…. was never the best hitter of his generation or an all-time great.
You forgot wasn't good defender, leader, and champion
People who think Pujols and Soriano are the same need to be weatherboarded in a vat of Fruity Pebbles
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I don't want Pujolder, I want Fields!
Oops….
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Rosenthal is reporting
that Pujols has accepted the money portion of the deal and is now asking for NTC for five years (at which point his 10/5 rights would kick back in, effectively giving him no-trade for life of deal)
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Got a link?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Here
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Albert-Pujols-Miami-Marlins-10-year-contract-offer-details-120611
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Wow.
It’s like the Marlins are recasting themselves as the Yankees of the NL East.
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I wonder
Just how much of this is Jeff Loria no longer combining profits from his business and the baseball team.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 6, 2011 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Easy, tiger.
They haven’t won anything yet.
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You are going to argue against their history?
I myself can easily see a 2013 next to their 1997 and 2003 banners.
"It's all in the game, yo"
They're certainly capable of doing it.
They’ve shown that. But let’s see what happens. Even if they get Albert, Reyes is a huge injury risk and their starting rotation has a number of question marks.
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Cards rotation was a big fat question mark too
and we saw how that JUST ended.
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by Craig in South Bend on Dec 6, 2011 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
That's true.
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Fun in Miami, no State tax, great lineup hitting for you
Methinks they won’t have many problems attracting pitchers.
I don’t think the Marlins would be the favorite in 2012, but 2013-2015 will be beastly.
"It's all in the game, yo"
The eagles, heat
and phillies thought so too.
I think a ten year deal to Pujols is a franchise killer, particularly for a franchise like the marlins that is never going to be able to sustain a high payroll.
In 3 years, Pujols and Reyes would probably account for 60% if their payroll. You can’t win like that.
Pujols is not going to be worth his deal after about 4 years. He might not be able to play 100 games a season after 7. Given the size of our payroll by then, we might be able to hide it, but why? Signing a 32 year old Pujols for 10 years over signing a 27 year old fielder for 6 or so is a terrible baseball decision, imo.
by tomas21 on Dec 6, 2011 1:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of amazing how many times the Marlins have been "killed"
And just keep coming back.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Pujols is dedicated, committed and loves the game
Fielder is a fat slug
Pujols will be better at 40 than Fielder at 35.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Fielder is dedicated, committed and loves the game, too.
His weight could be an issue. Calling him “a fat slug” is unfair.
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Unless that's short for 'fat slugger'
in which case…it’s right on the money
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Dec 6, 2011 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
"Pujols will be better at 40 than Fielder at 35"
That would only be relevant if we gave Fielder an 8 year contract, which we won’t.
I don’t want Fielder past his 33-year season. Fielder for 5-6 years is just a better deal than any 32 year old for 10 years.
We don't give him 8
We don’t get him. You seem to think that players are just falling over themselves to come here.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Money portion of the Cubs deal?
Who’s deal?
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by WindisBlowingOut! on Dec 6, 2011 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
That's a wierd thing for the Marlins to get hung up on
when they won’t be able to move the contract at any point.
It's also a safety valve.
They are putting a LOT of money into this team in the hopes that the new ballpark and a good lineup will build longterm interest of a kind that Miami has never shown for the Marlins. If that gamble fails, it’d be nice to know you can still offload the final 5 years and $100+ million on Pujols’ contract to someone else.
by Orval Overall on Dec 6, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
If Pujols is half as competitive as I think he is
He’ll willingly waive the NTC anyway if the team goes south
"It's all in the game, yo"
That's a decent policy.
I’d like to see the Cubs adopt something like that, even with the 10/5 in effect.
Gaby Sanchez
A few outlets (incl Paul Sullivan) are reporting that if the Marlins do sign Pujols, look for the Cubs to try and trade for Gaby Sanchez. I don’t know a ton about Sanchez, but it seems to me as though these are exactly the types of moves that the Cubs should be making at this point.
Sanchez would look very good in Cubs Blue
Not sure what Miami would want or if we even have players Miami would want, but that would be a great move for now and the future.
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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 6, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm rec'ing your post...
…just for your user name. Good one!
I hope his ass signs with the Marlins
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Why, so we can watch them win ANOTHER World Series after being in existence since 1993?
"It's all in the game, yo"
I don't care how many WS another team wins.
I only care how many WS the Cubs win.
If the Marlins pull this off
I’ll be shocked. It’s crazy to imagine them suddenly deciding to spend wildly, even with the new stadium. I have to wonder if fan support will actually develop, or they’ll be trying to have another fire sale in 3-4 years.
Maybe this is just the Miami market
They’d rather have white-hot great for a few years than consistent playoffs and they are willing to deal with down years — or more appropriately, willing to go to South Beach, Heat games, Dolphins games, Bimini — while the team has down years.
Can’t say I disagree at this point.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Let Miami have him for 10 years.
They will be regretting that big time in 5+ years.
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by daver on Dec 6, 2011 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
not if they have a World Series, they won't
And after 5 years, they’ll go to him and say, “We’re rebuilding, which teams would you waive your NTC for?” and Pujols isn’t going to sit around on a last-place team.
It’s called human beings and their desires. You don’t get that out of a computer.
"It's all in the game, yo"
Worf for GM!!!!
I like the man’s thinking.
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Excuse me.
I just screamed like a little girl at a Justin Bieber concert when I saw the title of the post.
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RT @Joelsherman1: Person involved in talks tells me #Cubs definitely in on Pujols.
It very well could be.
Remember last year when everyone thought Cliff Lee was going to sign with either the Yankees or Rangers?
And then the Phillies swooped in at the last minute?
This could be a very similar situation.
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind signing him to a long term contract of 8 years
He’s the kind of team player and leader that the Cubs so desperately need. I just wish we had Ramirez resigning.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
No.
There’s another mystery team that offered ten years other than the cubs. It’s mystery team, Cubs, Cards, and Marlins.
looks like its the angels
Ken_Rosenthal @Ken Rosenthal
#Angels source claims their offer closer to $300mm than #Cardinals or #Marlins offers
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
nevermind that tweet
someone on VEB was kidding about it. still angels, though
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Angels won't sign him
They never sign top talent. Always in the hunt, but never get anyone.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
theo is pure evil. i like it
THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)
by jesus christos on Dec 6, 2011 9:24 PM CST up reply actions
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