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Cubs Acquire Ian Stewart, Casey Weathers From Rockies


According to this tweet from Troy Renck, the Rockies beat writer for the Denver Post, the Cubs have sent outfielder Tyler Colvin and infielder DJ LeMahieu to the Rockies for third baseman Ian Stewart and Casey Weathers.

We're all familiar with Colvin and his breakout 2010 season. We also know that he seems lost at the plate since returning from being speared with a broken bat.

We got a glimpse of DJ LeMahieu this summer as he got a short call-up in June and September. LeMahieu is a second baseman who is better defensively at third base, but he really doesn't have the power for the position. His ability to hit for average is good, although he doesn't walk or strike out much.

Both Weathers and Stewart are former highly-touted prospects for the Rockies that have fallen on hard times. Like Colvin, they are reclamation projects. Stewart is a good glove third baseman who has had trouble making enough contract. He's more of a Theo Epstein player as he strikes out and walks a ton. He hasn't been helped much by Coors Field throughout his career.

Weathers is a hard throwing reliever who was the 8th pick in the draft in 2007. He sits at 96 with his fastball and can hit 99 at times. He also has a power slider. Neither pitch can he throw over the plate with any consistency. He missed all of 2009 with Tommy John surgery.

This is a classic "Change of Scenery" deal, although the Cubs need third basemen and the Rockies could use an outfielder. LeMahieu gives them some infield insurance. Weathers is a high-risk gamble on our part.

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Colvin... come on now...

Can’t wait until he goes 4-4 against the Cubs.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 8, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

Ahhh, that makes sense.

I have no ill will though, I hope he turns it around, just not against the Cubs. He was one of several players who were grossly misused by Quade.

by jpeters407 on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

His numbers were always weak

Even back in College he was no more than an .850 OPS guy who didn’t take any walks. He was a mid to low .700’s ops guy all through the system.

Basically he had an awesome 6 weeks to start 2010 and people let that cloud their judgement into believing that he was ever more than a bad hitting corner OFer.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree completely.

He got off to a hot start and people started ignoring the warning signs.

No one can succeed with his skills and plate discipline.

John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?

by rlpete on Dec 9, 2011 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

That said its hard to untracked playing once a week...

Even more stupid when your team is 20 games out……

But that is history now…..good luck to him

by TJ11 on Dec 9, 2011 2:29 PM CST up reply actions  

He started 18 games last August.

People forget that because he did nothing.

John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?

by rlpete on Dec 10, 2011 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

And how many in September?

I guess it was more important to Reed those starts…..

Need to find out what he could do….Soriano as well.

And Hill, and Baker, And dewitt…..

Keep defending Quade….lol

by TJ11 on Dec 10, 2011 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

No

His best performance was 3-5.

THEO!

by wrigleyrocker12 on Dec 8, 2011 7:43 PM CST up reply actions  

He's never had four hits in a major league game

I’m sure he’s done it in the minors some time. Well, I’m not sure, but it’s likely.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

he hit for the cycle last year, and then they changed the ruling to an error on his single...

Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"

by Zakh on Dec 11, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

My condolences, No. 1 Colvin fan...

…but he’s just not Theo’s kind of player.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I was referring to plate discipline and OBP.

"[The Cubs] have a very famous tradition in baseball, and it will be nice to be part of turning it around." ~ Jamie Quirk, Bench Coach

by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Asked this in the other thread..

Why did Ian only play 48 games last season? Injury?

"For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love." Carl Sagan

by Cubbiegoon on Dec 8, 2011 7:39 PM CST reply actions  

He spent a good chunk of the season in the minors

He played 45 games in Colorado Springs. He did spend time on the DL with a hamstring injury. When he was in the majors, he didn’t hit enough to play regularly.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 PM CST up reply actions  

He hit .077

at the start of the season, and was sent down due to this, however, his injury could have had something to do with it.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Keith Law on the move
Not the most consequential move of the day, but I like the Cubs’ side of the trade with Colorado.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:40 PM CST reply actions  

Hasn't he heard of the great Tyler Colvin?!?!

Unpossible!

In all seriousness though, I like this deal a lot for the Cubs. They got the best messed up player in the deal in Stewart, and the 2nd most upside guy in Weathers. Any “change of scenery” trades where you get the two guys with the most potential is a good deal.

This actually works for the Rockies too, I like it for them. Win-Win.

by bdlugz on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I find nothing fun about that.

Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.

by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2011 8:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree

I felt DJ would be a good utility player, and could have a long career. We still have to lose somebody as compensation also.

by jpeters407 on Dec 8, 2011 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not too worried about it.

His power and walk rate scare me too much to believe he can be an everyday guy. He could be a good utility infielder, but we already have a decent amount of those with more coming up through the minors(although we did lose three of them today, so we did lose a little depth there).

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Luckily we still have Tim Wilken in the organization

So surely he can restock the system with the Utility infielders, middle relievers and 5th outfielders that he is so fond of.

" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico lose a ball in the Sun? "

by aaronb on Dec 9, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

If you can’t find 10 LeMahieu’s in every organization, you’re not looking hard enough. There isn’t anything about him that the Cubs will miss….and that is even in the event Stewart and Weathers contninue their very mediocre careers.

by krummy12 on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Worth the risk

Colvin had no place on the team after DD was signed, and Stewart gives us potential at 3B.
I am disappointed to see DJL go, but we really don’t know how he would have fit into the future plans for the team overall.
So I Would have to say it’s a fair trade for both teams, and while no a flashy trade, might be the change of scenery all parties need.
Weathers is the big question mark as far as I’m concerned. Do we have the staff to help him back to his 1st round status, or is he a bust.
Either way, a low risk, potential high reward move.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

If Stewart doesn't work out, I guess the Cubs will call up Vitters

"For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love." Carl Sagan

by Cubbiegoon on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see Vitters ready, but we don't have too much in the way of a true 3B

to fill in ARam’s shoes.
I do see this as a great opportunity for both Colvin and Stewart.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder

After Stewart’s past few seasons….is he ready?

by krummy12 on Dec 9, 2011 9:12 AM CST up reply actions  

If he's doing well at AAA I could certainly see it.

Give Stewart a couple months, and if it doesn’t work out then it’s time for Vitters to sink or swim.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I doubt Vitters gets called up even if Stewart struggles.

Unless Vitters tears up AAA. We still have Baker as a back-up and as much as most of us don’t want it, he would probably be the stop-gap until next year.

by srwilly on Dec 9, 2011 8:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Josh ...

do you mean that Stewart doesn’t strike out much AND walks a ton?

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

No

He strikes out a lot, he walks a lot.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I shouldn't say that he walks a lot

but he does walk enough to give him a decent OBP despite his bad batting average. In 2009, he struck out 138 times and walked 56 times in 146 games for the Rockies.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh.

Theo likes guys who strike out a lot?

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Well

He doesn’t mind it as much as other people.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

OK.

Thanks for clarifying.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

When Sammy struck out a lot,

I didn’t mind it very much.

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Dec 8, 2011 11:44 PM CST up reply actions  

in other words, he might be slightly too patient at the plate.

Shit happens, but it sounds like this guy makes the opposing pitcher work harder. I’m not sure if Mr Freeswinger Colvin has any idea of what it means to be patient at the plate. Dude strikes out a ton and basically doesn’t know what it means to take a walk.

by magicblue on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 AM CST up reply actions  

bleh

This is the big moves our Theo is making? Pretty much all 4 players are useless. When do we get good players or GOOD prospects to do this “rebuild” I keep hearing about.
Cubs shouldve signed CJ Wilson and Prince Fielder.

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 7:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Yeah i am a little upset. We have lots of money to spend and we got Ian Stewart and Dejesus..I sure don’t want to see another season like last season,but this one will be worse!! Now we even lost Aramis. Who’s playing 3rd? Hell who’s playing 1b? Sigh…

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Stewart's playing third.

And the offseason isn’t over yet. Patience.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I’m trying. I have been patient for many years lol.

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

We've had TheoJef for less than two months.

Be. Patient.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

This

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

TheoJed

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Man that's rough

All of us here have only been fans for like twenty minutes, do the Cubs have a history of losing?

We’re with you in suffering. Rome wasn’t built in a day. Most likely we’re not going to compete this year. Let’s see what happens. Jackson, Castro, and Cashner provide hope for the future. Let’s build around them through drafting and the occasional free agent.

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Haha exactly what I was going to say

That being said, I’d rather have Barney. I want him around long term…just not necessarily as our starter. For now, he’s a great cheap player with options left

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

Theriot was fine when he was cheap, too.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

yea but you can't completely

compare Darwin to Theriot yet. I’ll give him a little time.

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It's actually possible that Barney ...

… won’t end up as good as Theriot at the plate. But he’s much better defensively, obviously.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

and so far

we haven’t had to use the term TOOTBLAN for Barney.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

this

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe Dale can help him out a bit.

Change of scenary that Josh mentioned in the post could help young hitters too. This change of scenary, of course, being the new manager who has experience as a hitting coach.

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd say Barney is more valuable already just because of defense and baserunning.

Theo really wants to stress those areas of the game right now, so I’m comfortable with Barney at second next year. Obviously I don’t want him as the long term solution there, unless we can add a lot of offense around him and keep him to solidify our defense. But I think he brings more to a team than Theriot.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:50 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd - wait, this was meant as a compliment, right?

That’s World Series Champion Ryan Theriot we’re comparing him to?

by Orval Overall on Dec 9, 2011 7:20 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

OH COME ON

Ryan Theriot had very little to do with the Cardinals winning the series.

by Nunyabidness on Dec 9, 2011 11:22 AM CST up reply actions  

IT WAS THE SCRAPPY THAT DID IT!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2011 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow. Talk about performance art.

Hilarious. Rec’d.

Step Two: Develop an organizational plan

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2011 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont really get the Cashner-files out here

Doesn’t seem like he’s going to be able to stay on the field, I’d hardly call him a building block

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still excited for him

Could be a Wood type of situation, agreed. But he has the stuff to stick around for awhile

"Baseball is almost the only orderly thing in a very unorderly world. If you get three strikes, even the best lawyer in the world can't get you off." ~ Bill Veeck

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

i really don't get how one injury

has made cashner go from building block for the future to a walking infirmary

THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)

by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

My thoughts

Because its his shoulder and not his elbow. I am not writing him off but there is a huge difference.

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"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

See Carpenter, Chris (Cardinals)

The sun is up. They sky is blue. It's beautiful, and so are you. Dear Prudence, won't you come out to play? ~Lennon & McCartney

by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

See also Prior, Mark

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

It's in the Cubs Encyclopedia, listed under

Prior, Mark et al

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Great logic.

Young pitcher gets injured, therefore is cursed to a career derailed by injuries.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

that 18-6 season by Prior

if he were to stay healthy – man would have been a beast.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I get pissed every time someone says something about Cashner being injury prone, like wtf?

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so injury prone

Just where the injury is that worries me.

"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Cubs win....what a lucky break!!" ---Harry

by Hammer on Dec 8, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He's been injured once... last year.

He projects as BY FAR our best arm from any level in the minors. Better than McNutt, Wells, etc.

He could be a #2 if all goes right for him… or at least a solid closer.

by bdlugz on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

One injury doesn't mean he can't stay on the field.

He obviously has the stuff to be a very good pitcher.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 9:55 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Nor would I

…count on Jackson to be part of the renaissance. Possibly a good player, more than likely not a difference maker.

by krummy12 on Dec 9, 2011 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

He's projected as a 4-5 WAR player at his ceiling.

I’d say a player like that can be a difference maker. Future hall of famer? No, but certainly in competition for some all-star games.

by bdlugz on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM CST up reply actions  

B.Jackson > Jeff Francoeur

Francoeur not a difference maker, but a good piece. Seems like B.Jax brings similar tools to the game, but 25% better. Almost a Jim Edmonds type. I think every team could use someone like that….

by wude on Dec 9, 2011 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I compared Colvin to Francoeur some times

although Colvin doesn’t have Francoeur’s arm, of course. But as hitters, I think they’re similar.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

How long did it take to build Rome?

I just want to have it as a reference point so that if the Cubs still suck I can “Rome was built by now.”

by HalfWhitey on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

"Rome was built by now"

Was used as a verb in that sentence, apparently.

by HalfWhitey on Dec 8, 2011 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

We really don't have THAT much money

Still have some bad contracts on the books (i.e. Soriano & Zambrano) and frankly there is just no way we could have coughed up 10/250 for Mr. Pujols. IMHO I don’t think we can afford Fielder either. But we’ll see.

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Where do you get the team has lots of money to spend?

I don’t think that’s true.

"We gotta circle the bandwagons." - Devin Hester

by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 9, 2011 7:25 AM CST up reply actions  

yeah

We want Lind dammit!

"Keep pushin' til' it's understood. And these badlands start treating us good."

by AussieCub on Dec 8, 2011 7:49 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Fire Theo!

BEAR DOWN!
Sveum Game '12

by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Stewart hit .156/.243/.221

… im so excited to have him on our team!!

by chit0wn on Dec 8, 2011 7:46 PM CST reply actions  

Hey, it's .006 higher BA than Colvin.

Plus he plays 3rd.

Hate to see the home/away splits for Stewart, though.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I like Stewarts defense

much better than Colvins, however, Stewart has a bigger sample size that Colvin, so it really could be a wash there.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Not as bad as you would think.

Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Home 212 155 691 596 92 145 26 5 25 97 7 5 78 165 .243 .337 .430 .767
Away 220 162 727 646 86 148 35 3 29 90 9 4 68 231 .229 .309 .427 .737

He is a slow starter though, that makes me afraid.

by jpeters407 on Dec 8, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

More April showers

and ten games under .500

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by propheteer on Dec 8, 2011 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

26 years old, coming into his prime.

Also, left handed bat. I would rather do a deal like this than get a has been. Let’s see if Dale can coach him up and give him a chance.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 is going into the Hall of Fame!!

by mrcubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 7:48 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

FWIW...

I had a chance to watch Stewart play in A-ball and he had those flashes that made you think he had a shot to be a solid big leaguer. He did strike out a lot, but he also hit line drives when he did make contact. Maybe getting out of Coors will be good for his psyche.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Dec 8, 2011 7:50 PM CST reply actions  

His 2010 line is much better.

He got hurt early in spring training last year. In 2010, Stewart hit .256/.338/.443/.781 with 14 doubles, two triples and 18 home runs in 121 games.

Improve this line and he will be ok.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 is going into the Hall of Fame!!

by mrcubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd be more than happy with this line

He’s a stopgap. This is Vitter’s year to go make something of himself. If he can’t be our 3B in a year or two (this year will tell), then we go after a FA

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

If Stewart gets 600 AB's

Can we assume 25HRs and 200K? That’s kinda close to Carlos Pena.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 8, 2011 7:52 PM CST reply actions  

At a fraction of the price ...

and at a position that’s harder to fill.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He haa minor league options left too.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 is going into the Hall of Fame!!

by mrcubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Probably not 200 strikeouts

Maybe in the 160-170 range though. Of course, looking only at HR and K is a limited snapshot of what a player does offensively. When healthy, he was slightly below league average.

He’ll almost certainly be a big step down from Ramirez offensively, but also a big step down in price.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The savings, I should add

could be key in adding a 1B (Fielder?) and/or a SP (Darvish?). There wasn’t a lot available at 3B.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

But if you look at Stewart as replacing Pena in the lineup, then all the Cubs have to do to match last year’s offense is get someone with Ramirez’s stats at first, which should be easier to accomplish.

Of course given the Cubs offensive woes last year, they will need to improve output at several position in order to become relatively competative.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

DeJesus should help with that.

Castro improving. Soto doing his even-year thing. Maybe a good rookie year from BJax or a better year from Byrd …

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed - mostly

and that’s ignoring that we’ll likely get as much or more production from DeJesus than we got from Fukudome/Colvin last year.

It’ll be slightly easier to find a 1B who can hit like Ramirez. But those guys aren’t growing on trees. Basically, among readily available players, Fielder is the only one.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Fortunately ...

TheoJed has filled two holes with lefty bats who are fairly cheap for only about $6 million next year.

Should save a good bit of money for Prince and another starter.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

i get the feeling they will push for Darvish

Not many rumors about Fielder and Pitching was a big need for the cubs.

by Mitchener on Dec 8, 2011 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

If you're going to set the bar...
then all the Cubs have to do to match last year’s offense is get someone with Ramirez’s stats at first, which should be easier to accomplish.

You probably don’t want to set it this low.

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 7:11 AM CST up reply actions  

True.

But before the Cubs can win 90 games they have to win 70. And if you take last year’s team and remove Ramirez and Pena, i think you are looking at a 60 win team.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Dec 9, 2011 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

He shouldn't K that much.

Let’s not get carried away here, he’s not Pena, Dunn, or Reynolds. As for the 25 HR, he has done it before, but he very well could hit 15 instead of 25.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

In reality,

if he hits 15 home runs, but hits .300, or even close with RISP, I think we’ll all be happy there.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not really his game (high average)

but hey who knows, maybe he’ll have a reverse-Pena season and really kick ass with RISP.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I remember reading

Something a month or two ago theorizing that TheoJed might be wise to build a small-ball type team so the offense isn’t completely stymied by a strong wind blowing in off the lake. Might this be something they’re working towards?

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 7:13 AM CST up reply actions  

This sums it up:
This is a classic “Change of Scenery” deal

I like the move. We needed a new third baseman anyways and Colvin wasn’t going to be in the Cubs’ plans this year. Really neither team is giving up a whole lot and they aren’t getting a whole lot. But something needed to be done at third. Good work TheoJed.

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by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 7:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Do "Change of Scenery" deals work though?

That would be an interesting study. Because our last change of scenary player (Carlos Pena) played pretty much on the same level as the previous season

Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!

by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

David Ortiz??

Or was that a change of medicine

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by Hammer on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

It may work, it may not work.

The point is that it really doesn’t hurt to try it out because you don’t lose anything. I think it’s a “risk” worth taking if you ask me.

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by mikegncb34 on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

So he's the 3rd basemen

of the future? 2012? until Vitters is ready? until we get Longoria?

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He's the third baseman

of 2012. After that. we’ll play it by ear.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

At least of 2012.

Maybe for a few years if he lives up to potential.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

he's an insurance policy that provides flexibility and options

you can have ian stewart be your everyday 3B or you can have him operating off the bench as a power hiting CI replacement.

For now he’s our 3B… should someone like David Wright or Ryan Zimmerman become available I could easily see the Cubs shift gears and make a play

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 9, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Quite a departure ...

from Hendry. Remember when we had no backup for Aramis when he went down in 2009? Only the fact that the team weathered that bad call and was still in first place in early August makes that one of Hendry’s lesser transgressions.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Forget Stewart's hitting for a second

He’s a stopgap at BEST and the most important part of the acquisition is that he plays good defense. That was a huge issue for us. I think this sets us up to get Fielder. There are still moves to be made. Who knows, maybe Garza gets us a big name. We’ll see. I’m being patient, it’s early. Keep in mind that really only two teams made significant moves so far, the Angels and Marlins. There are moves yet to be made.

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

I'd say he sets us up to go heavily after one of Fielder or Darvish

heck, maybe both, depending on how high our payroll will be. That doesn’t mean we’ll get either guy, of course.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I still have a gut feeling

Theo’s after Darvish. Nothing other than a gut feeling. And of course, we could put in a huge bid for Darvish and still lose the posting auction.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree...

…will cost an assload of cash, but, no players. I like this.

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by Easy Ed on Dec 8, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Our resource this year

Is cash…if something’s gonna cost players, we either give up a key piece (a la Garza) or we’re screwed.

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 7:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Where would Cespedes play?

I don’t think the Cubs are planning to add outfielders — not unless they can find a taker for Soriano.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

i think we have a trade embargo with Cuba?

thanks a lot Kennedy, for screwing the Cubs 50 years later.

So i you can give you can take it.

by epsilon on Dec 9, 2011 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Even if we do sign Cespedes

He will likely spend a good chunk of a season or more in the minors.

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 9:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Darvish I agree on

I keep hearing the Cubs are more interested in Soler than Cespedes.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

pet peeve

and i dont mean this to question you specifically josh, but commenters as a whole

when you say you’re “hearing” it suggests you’re tapped into inside sources who you’ve had conversations with. I dont know if this is or isn’t the case, but i’d be interested to know

I personally have no sources outside of things that I read on the internet from people I presume to have those inside sources they may be able to gather information from conversations.

So i ask, not out of disrespect or questioning, but out of curiosity are you hearing that the Cubs are more interested in Soler or are you reading it?

The reason I ask is because i’m interested to know if the information you’re gathering is different than the sources i’m likely gathering it from

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 9, 2011 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

OK

I’m reading it. Sometimes I do get “inside information,” This is not one of those times.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks josh

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Dec 9, 2011 12:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think in general

… when Josh or I say “I’m hearing”, it could be something we read somewhere. Both of us read so much material, sometimes the location of information isn’t easy to remember.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

People aren't talking about Casey Weathers much

but talk about Nuke LaLoosh. The guy threw 45 innings in Tulsa last season. He struck out 48 batters. He also walked 48 batters.

He’s a gamble. Could be our closer one day. We might release him in April.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:56 PM CST reply actions  

One thing I didn't consider though

I wonder if Weathers might end up being compensation for Theo.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope not

I don’t know much about him, but the kid seems like he could be really good, or he could be a bust.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

His K totals are unreal

So are his walk totals.

Throughout his minor league career, he’s struck out 11.3 batters per nine. He’s walked 7.1 per nine.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Wow, very impressive

I really do hope he regains his form.
Josh – do you know if he’s been a reliever his whole career, or a starter?.
Those strikeout totals could be great as a starter.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a reliever

He’s never started a game as a professional.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Either way

I would love to see him regain his form and be in our bullpen.
With strike out totals like that, he could be awesome.
He will still need some work, obviously, but he has the skills.
We can rebuild him, better, stronger, faster.
Ok, putting away geek mode now.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I edited the story

to reflect that Weathers is a reliever.

This is the first time I’ve gotten to break Cubs news. I was typing really fast.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:08 PM CST up reply actions  

No worries

you did just fine.
After all, you probably knew more about Weathers than most of us, even before looking him up. :)

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 is going into the Hall of Fame!!

by mrcubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:01 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

This was my thought as well.

Scenario would be that the Cubs were willing to give up LeMahieu, but the Red Sox saw little use for him because he’s a second baseman. So they identify a player they want that the Cubs can acquire for LeMahieu and make that the trade.

Things have been awfully silent on the Theo compensation front for a while now, which makes me think they could have a deal like this in place.

by Orval Overall on Dec 9, 2011 8:42 AM CST up reply actions  

wait - are you saying we're going to have good weathers days and bad weathers days?

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by ballhawk on Dec 8, 2011 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Why not

we have good Wells and polluted Wells.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Looking at his stats, he looks like Marmol-lite.

Ton of K’s, ton of BB’s, not a lot of HR, really good BAA. If the guy could even get his K/9 to 5, he could possibly be a late-inning arm.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:09 PM CST up reply actions  

double ton on BBs

1/1 BB/K last season. REALLY bad.

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by Hammer on Dec 8, 2011 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet another 1st round pick of Hendry inevitably busts as a Cub

Sad to see Colvin go, but he did have a horrible season last year and had no spot on the team. Do look forward to seeing what Stewart offers. Please sign Fielder now.

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by Chanman25 on Dec 8, 2011 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

Yet we got

two former top ten picks for him.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

And DJL.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

Who was a second round pick

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I know the point you're making.

But I’m not sure I’d give Hendry an attaboy on this one.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not

I’m just saying we’re not the only team who has busts in the first round.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh. True.

Where have you gone, Kiko Calero. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

And trading Colvin doesn't necessarily make him a "bust"

He could still turn out to be a solid regular. It just won’t be with us if it happens.

by Orval Overall on Dec 9, 2011 8:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Ugh...

what a bunch of crap.

DJ is probably the best player of all of them. Man, this is how Hoy-Stein starts?

To think Wilken picked Colvin so high with other guys available…

I just puked in my mouth.

by The E-Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:03 PM CST reply actions  

Not sure I agree with you

Compare LeMahieu’s minor league stats to those of Stewart. Stewart out-OPSed him comfortably, and did so at a younger age.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, Stewart is the highest ceiling by far - it's not even close.

I’d say Weathers is the 2nd highest ceiling. DJLM is the only one that isn’t a “bust” so far, but he’s nothing more than a utility player on a decent team.

by bdlugz on Dec 8, 2011 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You're absolutely right

We got the two players with the highest ceiling.

LeMahieu is probably the surest thing among the four, but even he’s not that sure. And his ceiling is low.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Inevitably, DJ

projects to be a doubles hitter.

I liked what little I saw in Wrigley. But the number of K’s Stewart has is disturbing.

by The E-Man on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

He projects to be a .750ish OPS guy if all works out

which is quite a bit less than what Stewart has done when healthy.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Colvin will K just as much.

And Stewart actually draws walks.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

We got the two highest ceilings

but one of them will almost certainly bust out. The other may not be around long, either.

Colvin and DJLM will likely stick in the bigs a bit longer. Even so, I like the deal. Stewart should be motivated to have a couple good seasons to hit a big payday in FA.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 9, 2011 10:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yup

The only thing in LeMahieu’s favor is a high singles rate and the fact that he hasn’t had as much time in MLB. But Stewart had much better offensive numbers in the minors than LeMahieu.

by SouthernCub on Dec 8, 2011 8:11 PM CST up reply actions  

If we get rid of Garza it better be for a hella lot prospects and least 2 very good ones. We gave up half the farm for him. He’s a hella pitcher. He shouldve won a lot more games where Cubs couldn’t score 1 freaking run

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 8:04 PM CST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd

For being an actual reasonable person in a Sea of NBF clones.

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 8, 2011 11:16 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

That's the first time

Anybody’s ever said that about me, I guarantee you.

Stewart is considered “a great deal” and he’s 26. But the Cubs shouldn’t sign Fielder, who’s 27 and infinitely better.

Maybe the Cubs really do drive some people crazy.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Dec 8, 2011 11:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I rec'd because he like the deal, which is your typical high risk high reward kind of deals you make

When you are rebuilding a team destroyed by greedy newspaper corporations.

Age has nothing to do with it.

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 8, 2011 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Y'know, I read Jeff's comment three times

And I STILL don’t see where he said that we shouldn’t sign Prince Fielder.

Also, he clearly said this was a “good move” not a “great deal”

If nothing else, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that your reading comprehension is horrendous.

by Nunyabidness on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Where did he even imply

The Cubs shouldn’t sign Fielder? Provide a quote from jeffmills’ comment.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Greened

may addition by subtraction be real

by N Oakley on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

well the rangers don’t think they will get a deal for garza done because of what the cubs are asking for

by nkniacc13 on Dec 8, 2011 8:12 PM CST reply actions  

if they don't land darvish

i can see them giving jedstein a call

THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)

by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2011 8:13 PM CST up reply actions  

hopefully it's a victory cow.

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by section229beer on Dec 8, 2011 11:55 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

I think it’s what Granny is holding.

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by katie casey on Dec 9, 2011 7:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rightfully so

we have a proven commodity in Garza, there is little available in the FA market, so why not ask for the moon and see if they flinch.
They will either get desperate enough to make the move at the Cubs demands, or we will have a pretty darn good pitcher on our staff for a few more years.
Either way, the Cubs are in the drivers seat on this one.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd hang onto Garza if I were the Cubs...

Then next year around the deadline if the Cubs are out of the playoff race, I’d look at moving him.

by jeffmills1972 on Dec 8, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Unless, as Theo stated

there was an offer that blew him away.
In such case, you take it, and the Rangers do have a few really good prospects to choose from.
But yes, I do agree, hold on to Garza until we get the perfect offer.

by chrisw95 on Dec 8, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Only potential issue here

Is that half a season is plenty of time for an injury to develop. Just look at last year. Sure, his value is likely to peak at the trading deadline, but we can still probably get a boatload for Garza once Darvish is off the market, and without risking his value going to nil with an injury.

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

and what if

we’re not out of the playoff race?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Dec 9, 2011 4:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Obviously, then you keep him.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to see Colvin go

Nothing against him personally, he seems like a really cool guy to be friends with, but just don’t see that fire in him to be a quality/elite outfielder. Cubs have too many nice guys.

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 PM CST reply actions  

I would have liked

To see him get some regular play time last fall (like they tried to do after trading Fukudome) before dismissing him completely, but that uncertainty is likely the only reason we were able to make this trade.

by EcoGeek on Dec 9, 2011 7:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Colvin started 18 games last August.

He had his chance. Unless someone convinces him that he doesn’t need to swing at every pitch, he is never going to amount to anything.

John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?

by rlpete on Dec 9, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I was on the Colvin bandwagon longer than most.

It could be argued that he didn’t get enough at-bats early in 2011. But by season’s final months, I actually thought he was getting too much playing time, all things considered.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

I liked this move when it was DeWitt for Stewart.

I still like it now. I thought we’d trade Colvin and Scott Maine instead, but ok. DJL is an unknown quantity in the majors. Colvin (as much as I loved his 2010 debut) has some kind of problems now.

I think Stewart is a talent. He’s had one bad year due to injury, and I hope he’s recovered.

I don’t know anything about Weathers. It would be cooler if Carl Weathers was coming. Having Apollo Creed in the bullpen would shake things up IMO.

by Tat14 on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

Carl Weathers

He could teach everyone acting…

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 8:33 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

ha

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by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad someone got the reference

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by Musicdude10 on Dec 8, 2011 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

You got a stew going!

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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by propheteer on Dec 8, 2011 11:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice, and in turn...

See that look in their eyes, Theo? You gotta get that look back, Theo. Eye of the tiger, man!

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"Theo...what's your prediction for Cubs 2012?"

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Best pre-fight answer ever

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by propheteer on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

If the Cubs sign Fielder and Stewart plays third...

Then the corner guys could account for nearly 350-400 strikeouts between the two of them. That would be remarkable to watch.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Dec 8, 2011 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

Fielder averages 126 strikeouts a season.

So I don’t think it’s even possible for Stewart to strike out the remainder of your total and still be on the big league club.

by ubercubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Right.

We traded for Ian Stewart, not Mark Reynolds.

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by daver on Dec 8, 2011 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

New Strategy...

for cutting down on double plays!

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by Goat Whisperer on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Well I’ve been really good this year and I all I asked for xmas was Prince Fielder..so I better get em or I’m going to be very bad next year!

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Fine with me.

Junk for junk. Perhaps it works out.

Theo! Good job, Tommy Boy!

by shoemile on Dec 8, 2011 8:24 PM CST reply actions  

So a Baker/Stewart platoon

In 2010

G PA AB R H HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Stewart 121 441 386 54 99 18 61 5 2 45 110 .256 .338 .443 .781
Baker 79 224 206 29 56 13 21 1 0 16 50 .272 .326 .413 .739

by jpeters407 on Dec 8, 2011 8:26 PM CST reply actions  

I'd go further in the more likely platoon situation:

In 2010

PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Stewart:333 295 78 12 1 16 47 5 2 33 79 .264 .336 .475 .811 vs RHP
Baker:152 140 49 12 2 4 18 0 0 10 21 .350 .395 .550 .945 vs LHP
Platoon: 485 435 0 127 80 24 3 20 65 5 2 43 100 .292 .351 .499 .849

If it played out like this, it would be fine.

by ubercubsfan on Dec 8, 2011 8:51 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

That would indeed be quite pleasant.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm OK with this.

Colvin and LeMahieu both seemed liked good guys and talented athletes, but the former lacks contact skills and the latter lacks power. I think both could benefit greatly from playing at Coors Field. Meanwhile, we get a couple of young players with good upside. This deal is sensible financially, too.

Like the DeJesus signing — and the Sveum hiring, for that matter — this registers more as a “meh” than a “yeah!” But I can see the logic in this move. Good luck to Tyler and DJ, and welcome aboard Ian and Casey.

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by daver on Dec 8, 2011 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

I think they're table-setter moves.

We’ve filled two serious needs VERY cheaply, improved defensively and got more left handed. Use the remaining money to land Fielder and a pitcher and this team will be pretty interesting — even if it’s a year away.

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by elgato on Dec 8, 2011 8:34 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

When Dodgers manager Don Mattingly spoke to Pujols last weekend, he sensed Pujols wasn’t entirely happy with the Cardinals: “You could just sense something was wrong. He was getting frustrated by it.”

i have a reality TV show idea

THEOOOOOOOOO (and Hoyer)

by jesus christos on Dec 8, 2011 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

Len Kasper on twitter
Hey, the Cubs just acquired the “6th” Rolling Stone!

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by Cubbiegoon on Dec 8, 2011 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

if he doesn't work out at third

Put him behind the organ.

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A friend of friends of mine

Is named Robert Zimmerman

Step Two: Develop an organizational plan

by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2011 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Moving this conversation in a slightly different direction.

I worked with a Guy Johnson, Dick Tucker, Mike Hawke, and Les Chafin at my last job. True Story. We had conference calls with a guy name Dick Wade. Whenever anyone mentioned his name someone always said, “how much?” The whole building would burst out laughing when the secretary called Mike Hawke to the front desk over the intercom. He had to tell her to announce it as Michael. It took her a while to figure out why.

by srwilly on Dec 9, 2011 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Wow. A lot of parents not thinking, eh?

Not nearly as funny, but I once interviewed with an ex-Marine named Harley Skidmore.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2011 11:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll take it. There's not much else to do when you inherit a bare cupboard and have a small

fortune tied up in some rotten contracts. Bring new people in and see if you luck out with some lightening in a bottle.

by the nth on Dec 8, 2011 8:41 PM CST reply actions  

Kahrl & Kasper on DJLM

ChristinaKahrl
Maybe it’s just me, but the nice thing about moving LeMahieu in Stewart deal is squelching the nonsense about playing him at 3B. Ever. #Cubs

LenKasper
@ChristinaKahrl I actually liked his defense over there this yr, but I agree—offensively, he won’t hit for enough power to be a corner man.

by BVictor on Dec 8, 2011 8:44 PM CST reply actions  

if the winter meetings was a swimming pool

…. the angel did a canon ball the cubs did a belly flop

by chit0wn on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions  

a reasonable comment within the context that is BCB

a hilarious comment within the context of coming from a user named ‘jesus christos’

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by ballhawk on Dec 9, 2011 7:40 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

2012 is a stop gap year

DeJesus and Stewart penciled in to the starting lineup? Ouch.

by jeff_pico on Dec 8, 2011 8:48 PM CST reply actions  

Another stop gap year.. Sigh

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 8:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

yep, Jim Hendry was MASSIVELY incompetent.

Gonna take more than one year to clean up his mess.

by Nunyabidness on Dec 8, 2011 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Have they even thrown out any BS yet

about, “We’re going to try to compete this year.”? Don’t get why people are expecting so much…

by jpchi on Dec 8, 2011 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

They're going to claim they're trying to compete every year.

Just that some years they’ll be relying on luck a whole lot more than others.

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by shoemile on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

They ARE trying, butt there is only so much you can do with limited materials

They filled gaping holes at 3B and RF. Better than looking to the 2011 Iowa Cubs roster for those positions. 1B will have to come later.

by ClarkFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

NEWSFLASH

we’re probably gonna suck in 2012 anyways.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Were you expecting a World Series?

John Grabow - Who will pay you $4.8 million in 2012?

by rlpete on Dec 8, 2011 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks to Josh for posting this while I was out.

I hadn’t thought much of Stewart, based on his decline the last couple years, but he was injured last year. At his age, there’s still, I suppose, a chance he could get better.

Same for Colvin. Classic case of “change of scenery”.

LeMahieu might turn into something in Colorado. Or not. Same for Weathers, although he’s kind of old to be pitching in Double-A. He was a #1 pick of the Rockies in 2007.

This one works for me. Maybe they catch lightning in a bottle with Stewart. If not, they haven’t given up too much to get him.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 8, 2011 8:59 PM CST reply actions  

I think your too quick to use the word decline.

He only “declined” last year; and he battled an injury and played less than 50 games.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think there is generally too much emphasis on the previous season.

It leads to guys like Milton Bradley getting 3-year deals — when 2008 was the only year on record that Bradley had been healthy, productive and relatively controversy free.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 8:19 AM CST up reply actions  

I hate to pile on...

…but the word “decline” doesn’t really ring true for a 26-year-old player.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Not bad.

I liked DJ, especially in the College WS. But the Cubs have plenty of middle infielders.
I just hope the Cubs put a strong package in for Prince, strong.

by Grockcubs on Dec 8, 2011 9:10 PM CST reply actions  

Lahair

If we get Fielder can Lahair play any other pos? He tore it up last year big time

by bleedinblue76 on Dec 8, 2011 9:25 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Maybe left field

But he’d be like Soriano out there.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

He can play pos as long as he stays outta trouble with the po-pos.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

So we're the winners of the day, no?

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by dtpollitt on Dec 8, 2011 9:27 PM CST reply actions  

no

In my lifetime please!

by Kennabelle on Dec 8, 2011 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

2 NOs = YES!

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by dtpollitt on Dec 8, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Math says

- * – = +

The Stat Pack strikes again!

by ClarkFan on Dec 9, 2011 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the move

Hopefully it allows us to spend more elsewhere. cough**Prince Fielder**cough

Also, I’m not exactly torn up about losing DJLM, but this the makes the decision not to protect Flaherty look even worse in hindsight.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Dec 8, 2011 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

Well sure

I’m just saying that I still don’t get why we didn’t protect Flaherty, and now that DJLM’s gone, Flaherty would’ve had even more of an opportunity had he been kept around.

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by Poloplaya14 on Dec 8, 2011 10:41 PM CST up reply actions  

...woo?

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by MrNFL on Dec 8, 2011 10:13 PM CST reply actions  

bagoo

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...

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 9, 2011 8:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Welcome aboard Stew!

The good thing about both this and the Dejesus move is the emphasis on defense. Our pathetic defense last year compared to that of a company softball team. Adding a great defender in RF is great, and could be even better if Jackson is up early and Byrd shifts over to LF. Add in a good defensive 3B to a strong outfield and second baseman, then you have the makings of a much improved defense. Not to mention Castro should be better defensively. So if we get better defensively at 5-6 positions this off season and only regress at one (1B), it would go a long way towards building a less embarrassing and more fundamentally tolerable squad.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

Good point

The Cubs have become a much better defensive team in the last week.

Of course, we are taking a hit going down from Pena to LaHair at first base.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 8, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep.

Obviously it would be even better with Pena, but I still expect a much improved defense in 2012, which is something that gets me excited.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Good defense excites you with no offense?

This means the Cubs will lose a lot of 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games.

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by propheteer on Dec 8, 2011 11:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Those scores assume the Cubs also have good pitching

which is quite an assumption to make.

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by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Dec 8, 2011 11:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

True

but at least they have to add some pitching pieces.

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by propheteer on Dec 8, 2011 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not like we have any clearly better offensive options than Stewart.

I’m not expecting big things from this team in 2012. But yes, after watching the shitshow that was the Cubs 2011 defense, I’m thrilled with getting better defenders. It makes the games more watchable, and it’s not like we had much offense last year either.

by Dcr18 on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, but at least they'll be close games.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

If I take a break from following baseball for the next 3 months

Will I recognize anyone in our starting lineup this April?

by ak123 on Dec 8, 2011 11:05 PM CST reply actions  

KOYIE HILL!!!11

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I like this deal

Colvin wasn’t going to have much of a role for the Cubs (not that I see one for him on the Rockies either…maybe as a part-time LF, which he should be familiar with.) Lemahieu could be a decent utility guy, but I don’t think his bat plays for much better than that.

Stewart will get a chance to play here—I doubt anyone else is coming in to play 3B now except on a flyer (no Headley, Wright, or any other dreams)…this is the right season for a stopgap guy with big upside. Weathers looks like Marmol on a bad development curve—if he cuts down on walks, he could be a late innings guy, if not, no biggie.

one of those solid little moves that could pay off, IMO.

by PrincetonCubs on Dec 8, 2011 11:15 PM CST reply actions  

I really like this trade.

Even if Stewart is league average only against right handers, his plus defense and platoon with lefty masher Baker you could replace nearly all of Rameriz’s offense. Best part is you get a bull pen arm thank could throw the ball through the backstop who might become a younger version of Wood.

I’m sorry to see Colvin go. He at times looked like the real deal. I blame Quade and hendry for much of last season. The funny thing is he was one of the few guys I thought could get clutch hits. I wish Colin good luck. DJLM is a product of cubs fans watching the minors because the MLB team sucks. The Cubs all ready have a better version in DJLM, his name is Darwin Barney.

The one issues with this trade is that with Colvin gone it looks like we are stuck with Soriano to start the season. Thanks Jim Hendry.

by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Dec 8, 2011 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

We aren't stuck with Soriano to start the season.

We’re stuck with Soriano to start the next three seasons.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 12:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Staying the course

OK, a couple of questions answers:
1. Who will play 3B?
2. What to do with Colvin going forward?

The Cubs still have money left for 1B, SP, Darvish/Cespedes/etc.

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by RiskyBusiness on Dec 8, 2011 11:52 PM CST reply actions  

First base idea

Kendrys Morales should be available for practically nothing now. LaHair is the backup plan if his injuries are insurmountable.

Then we’d have enough cash left for Cespedes and Darvish. This team might actually compete.

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by KO Stradivarius on Dec 8, 2011 11:58 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

They aren't giving Morales away for nothing.

In fact, earlier reports are that they’re going to DH him, and move Trumbo to 3B or outfield. Morales-Pujols-Trumbo gives them a lot of power in the middle of the order.

by Dcr18 on Dec 9, 2011 12:09 AM CST up reply actions  

They ain't moving Trumbo to 3B

that’s just talk to make everyone happy and not completely destroy his trade value.

Trumbo can’t play 3B. Pujols would be a better third baseman.

But your main point is right: they aren’t giving Morales away for nothing. If Morales is healthy (and that’s a big if for a guy who hasn’t played a game since May of 2010), then there would be a lot of teams interested. That would drive the price up high.

And if he’s not healthy, they’re not going to trade him until they can get his value up.

I see them trading Trumbo and/or Abreu. The one that they don’t trade can DH.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 12:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I live in denver

and (i hope i eat crow) but my friends and most of media around here couldnt wait to chase Ian Stewert out of town even before his injury. I know we didnt give up much but he was pretty much thought of as a massive weak link around these parts and from what i hear hoyer wants him to be the starter… This trade gets a sadface from me

by ghostattackomg on Dec 9, 2011 12:28 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Decent trade.

For what it’s worth, Ian has continued to hit the absolute crap out of the ball every time he’s been sent back to Colorado Springs. He’s just had weird issues in the majors, ranging from “blocked by Garrett Atkins for some reason” to “really bad April”.

For those of us who wanted a Matt LaPorta-style fallen prospect, here’s our moment. This guy spent more time at the top of the Baseball America prospect ratings than anyone the Cubs have had in a while.

If only the Rockies would have been interested in Blake DeWitt. Oh well. I fear we may be plumb out of MLB GMs who will fall for that one.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

***His full name is "Casey McGhee Weathers".***

That’s close enough for me.

The symbolism is awesome. Theo is righting the wrongs of the previous regime. Whereas Hendry gave Casey McGahees away for nothing, Theo acquires them for nothing!

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 12:55 AM CST reply actions  

I actually agree

With the fact ian stewart has spent his time on the top of the prospect rankings than any of our guys…i hope i turns it around he has great bat speed

by ghostattackomg on Dec 9, 2011 1:09 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

I actually agree

With the fact ian stewart has spent his time on the top of the prospect rankings than any of our guys…i hope he turns it around he has great bat speed

by ghostattackomg on Dec 9, 2011 1:10 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

If this trade means

less DeWitt, I’m all for it.

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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 9, 2011 7:37 AM CST reply actions  

It likely means NO DeWitt.

We can hope, anyway.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 AM CST up reply actions  

^this^

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by jeffstorm2 on Dec 9, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions  

As long as we have Jeff Baker ...

to fill the super-sub role, I think you’re right.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Our 2012 3B should be referred to as "Stewart Baker", and be draftable as 1 player in fantasy leagues.

This 2-headed 3B might actually be productive. Not Aramis-level productive, but better than your average 3B, anyway.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM CST up reply actions  

FTW.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, this trade would seem to increase the likelihood...

…that DeWitt will be nontendered. Or maybe throw in to another deal.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Overall moves so far

I think it’s good to recognize that Theo and Jed have added two starting players that will cost no more than $8 million next year, and if all goes well, DeJesus should put up decent numbers at the top of the order, and Stewart could return to form and give us something close to what Ramirez gave us. All for half of Ramirez’s salary. I think Stewart is a risk, but all in all, we’ve gotten a bit cheaper, younger, more left-handed, and we have some guys who can walk. And maybe Lendy pans out in the bullpen too.

So far, clever and commendable moves, and considering Colvin’s star began falling in mid-2010, I am okay giving up DJ for Ian. That’s the real trade, and I think we won.

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by KO Stradivarius on Dec 9, 2011 7:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

If they're trying to clear space for a big $$$ free agent, this was a good way to do it.

2011 salary for RF and 3B: $14.5M + $14.6M = $29.1M

2012 salary for RF and 3B: $4.5M + $3M = $7.5M.

The question is simply whether they put those savings to good use, now or in the future.

by Orval Overall on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Exactly.

The Cubs also have $5 million for Pena coming off the books, $7 million for Silva and $4.8 million for Grabow. That’s another $16.8 million.

So (29.1-7.5) $21.6 million + $16.8 million = $38.4 million. You figure $9 million or so of that will go to Garza and Marmol, $1.5 million goes to Byrd, Z and Dempster (all slotted for small raises), maybe another $2 million for Soto, $1.5 million for Marshall and slight raises to younger guys …

That’s about $20 million (conservatively) — which isn’t enough to get Fielder and a starting pitcher. My guess is TheoJed will work like mad to trade Marmol or Soriano to come up with another $6 to $8 million in cost savings and go hard after Danks or Maholm AND get Fielder.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Rumor has it they're trying to ditch Soriano for literally any cost savings, and would add Beltran for LF at 2/20

No one wants Beltran for some reason.

Obviously, Fielder would be preferable. But if a 1-2 year deal for Beltran is the fallback, hey, why not.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 10:00 AM CST up reply actions  

What is the deal with Beltran?

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

And airline food...what is the deal with that?

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha. Funny.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

No one wants him

He wants a long term contract and no one wants to give it to him with his injury history.

Eventually, he’ll lower his demands and someone will bite.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure

But he wants a lot more than that. That’s almost a 50% pay cut for him.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Could be.

But the Cubs don’t have a place for him, unless they could dump Soriano.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

That is very interesting

For those who think .500 is an important goal next year, adding Beltran and subtracting Sori has to be attractive.

I don’t see this rumour on MLBTR, where have you seen it.

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by Jose's Eyelid on Dec 9, 2011 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Fangraphs? The article is called something like "the weak market for Carlos Beltran".

More “informed speculation” than reported rumor. Also, obviously hinging on the Cubs finding a taker for Soriano at 4-5MM per, which may be a tall order.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

MLB payroll may go up a little since draft/international spending is now limited

That could leave enough for Fielder/Darvish.

May still be deals to save $$$$ on Zambrano and Soriano, too.

by ClarkFan on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Why only $5 for Pena? It was a 1 year, $10 million contract.

I know the money was split with $5 million due this winter, and maybe you’re saying that 5 goes into the 2012 payroll for budgeting purposes? But if you’re counting it that way then I suppose there is $0 money coming off for Pena ($5m last year offset by $5m in 2012 for no change).

by Orval Overall on Dec 9, 2011 1:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I read recently that it counts against 2012.

Can’t find the link right now.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

No one knows...

I last heard that it was all on the 2010 and 2011 payroll (december – december).

by bdlugz on Dec 9, 2011 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

From what I can find on ESPN.
The deal is for $10 million, according to a source, who said Pena will receive $5 million in 2011, and $5 million in January 2012, which will count against the ’11 payroll.

Linky

by ubercubsfan on Dec 9, 2011 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

If it counts against

the 2012 payroll, Hendry should be fired again and never hired anywhere else. What kind of idiot backloads a one year deal on a terrible team?

I know he’s a nice human being and I shouldn’t call him names, but good gravy that is dumb. Or maybe the worse judgement is Ricketts allowing him to flail and make poor long-term decisions to try to save his job.

by tomas21 on Dec 10, 2011 8:31 AM CST up reply actions  

People still don't get the concept of backloading

Money today is worth more than money tomorrow. It’s a basic economic principle.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2011 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Okay... backloading is one thing,

Backloading it to deferred payments when you’re paying 50% of the cost when the player isn’t even on your team is not backloading properly.

For the record, everything I’ve read shows it was paid off on the 2011 payroll.

by bdlugz on Dec 10, 2011 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

I understand the concept of backloading

However, using 2012 payroll space on a player who will only be on your roster in 2011, particularly when 2011 was a rebuilding/clearing contracts year, is just plain stupid.

by tomas21 on Dec 10, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Hendry did a lot of stupid things

I don’t think Pena’s contract was particularly egregious. He felt (foolishly so) that the Cubs had a chance to contend for the NL Central in 2011, and they needed a low-cost run producer. He took a flier – but it’s not like they paid him $20M.

And if it saved money in 2011, what difference does it make if Pena’s on the team in 2012? Whether or not it was the right acquisition is certainly debatable, but I don’t think that the $5M in 2012 vs. paying it in 2011 is that big of a deal.

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by Shanghai Badger on Dec 10, 2011 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

Right.

The total money spent on Pena is the same, regardless of when it is/was paid.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2011 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Except

the only reason to structure the deal that way is that the payroll was capped last year, and they could only fit $5 mil in the payroll Ricketts allowed. So Hendry effectively stole $5 mil from the 2012 team to make a bad 2011 team slightly better.

It’s the same total money, but Hendry couldn’t afford Pena in last year’s payroll. So we effectively get $5 mil less this year so Hendry could try to save his job last year.

by tomas21 on Dec 10, 2011 2:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That depends on how 2012 is budgeted.

Maybe Tom Ricketts gave Theo $5m extra in 2012 than he otherwise would have, to cover this. We don’t know.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 10, 2011 6:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Sounds like a good deal for all parties involved.

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by katie casey on Dec 9, 2011 7:58 AM CST reply actions  

Colvin-Stewart trade a matter of either quick exits or comeback POY candidates

Both have demonstrated promising power, Steward 25 HR’s in 2009 and 18 HR’s in 2010, while Colvin 20 HR’s in 2010. Then last year both tanked….tanked badly.

Both are not good BA average hitters, high K’s and are fairly good athletes, while both players play in positions of need by their acquiring team. It is a big okay so what, this what good GM’s do.

What was revealed this week was the decision that LaMathieu and Flaherty were not part of Epstein/Hoyer plans. Both of them were 1st rounders by Hendry and possessed some affection here. What does it tell you? Further the Stewart trade was done Tuesday and the Cubs could still protect Flaherty and didn’t…and would rather have Stewart.

Ironically Cubs now have two former Rockies 3B, Baker and Stewart….

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by Ivy Walls on Dec 9, 2011 8:54 AM CST reply actions  

I don't care about Colvin...

and he had zero trade value to begin with, but I’d rather have LeMahieu over Stewart.

This has been a very disappointing offseason so far. I know it’s still early, but numerous other teams have made very smart moves, and the Cubs have not. Hopefully that changes quickly.

by kanderber on Dec 9, 2011 9:07 AM CST reply actions  

I'm kind of amazed at how highly DJL is valued around here.

I know Stewart’s coming off an injury year, but DJL didn’t really have the power to play third. And the Cubs need a middle-order bat more than they need another guy who can hit sixth or seventh.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

As prospects go, Stewart and DJLM are not in the same discussion.

Obviously, Stewart is older now (although still only 26 at the moment…), but the guy has absolutely hit a ton in the minor leagues. To the point he was the #4 prospect in the game a half-decade ago, and hung around the 10-15-20 mark for a while before and after that.

He just never hit in MLB. To the point that it was odd, seems fluky, and Theo is betting on a regression to the likely “mean”. Young players with that kind of pedigree and that kind of MiLB production should not hit .150 in MLB all the time. His opportunities have been sporadic – and one time they moved him to 2B – but he’s basically whiffed on almost all of those opportunities.

Still, even last year, when both Colvin and Stewart got sent back to the minors, one of them showed why he’s a star prospect, and the other showed why he isn’t.

As for DJLM…. the Cubs seem to produce a lot of slap hitting infielders. And so does everyone else, for that matter.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

And the Cubs don't need another slap-hitting infielder.

And DJL is right handed. One of the key goals from TheoJed was to bring more balance to the lineup.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Ian Stewart is a...

middle-order bat? His career OPS+ is 89. If he’s hitting in the middle of the order, we will not be contenders next year.

by kanderber on Dec 9, 2011 9:26 AM CST reply actions  

He has more power than DJL.

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by elgato on Dec 9, 2011 9:29 AM CST up reply actions  

There's good value in fallen prospects.

We’re talking about a guy who, a couple of seasons ago, seemed to be as can’t-miss as they come. A top-5 prospect in all of MLB. Then came injuries, way too much bench time, an ill-fated attempt to play 2B, and generally spitting the bit offensively whenever given an opportunity.

But look at those minor league numbers again. Even for 2011. As buy-low opportunities go, I love this one.

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by D98 on Dec 9, 2011 9:58 AM CST up reply actions  

FanGraphs analysis of the trade

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/cubs-rockies-trade-ian-stewart-tyler-colvin/

Ultimately, when taken in context of both franchises, the trade seems to fit, though it’s not a killer win, per se.

The Cubs needed a third baseman and wanted defense to be a priority this off-season; Ian Stewart fits that bill. They are also hurting for pitching depth, though chances are Weathers may not even be in baseball much longer if he cannot reign in the walks.

Meanwhile, the Rockies were looking to trade Stewart, and Colvin and LeMahieu offer high-ish upside young guys; so, hey, why not?

by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 9, 2011 10:19 AM CST reply actions  

Nitpick.

Not with you, with Fangraphs.

It’s “rein in”, not “reign in”.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we're still going to

add another infielder (a 2nd baseman) and push Barney to a utility role. DeWitt will get traded. Just a feeling I’ve got.

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by SouthWabashSoul on Dec 9, 2011 10:29 AM CST reply actions  

The Cubs had no viable options at 3B. Now they have one.

Colvin had hit the end of his road in Chicago and DJLM was a type of player the system has in abundance. A net plus, if not a great celebration moment.

by ClarkFan on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 AM CST reply actions  

As for Stewart trade I think you all are missing the obvious and what I think will be at 1B

Righty/Lefty platoon: Stewart in ’09 and ’10 averaged .820 OPS against RH pitichers and Baker it appears to average about .820 + against LH pitchers the last three years.

Since Stewart has good defense at 3B as Baker is also versatile and good there as well, a composite .820 OPS would be very good, especially at the price of probably $2-3M

I think if the Cubs do not sign Fielder to a advantageous contract the Cubs also could look to find a similar RH hitting 1B who hits LH’ers above .800 OPS and live with LaHair who hit RH pitchers above .900 OPS.

Not glamerous but versatile and at least on paper and in payroll possibly very competitive.

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by Ivy Walls on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM CST reply actions  

you are right, but what about another .800 + OPS from LaHair

and we find a .800 OPS RH hitter at 1B too. Looney is in the non tender situation, he could be brought in with RH hitter. Also I see Bill Hall is out there as well.

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by Ivy Walls on Dec 9, 2011 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

but as for now I think we see what 3B is going to be like going into ST

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by Ivy Walls on Dec 9, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

James Loney is a left-handed hitter...

…and has some legal issues at the moment. And Bill Hall has never played first base at the major league level, which doesn’t mean he couldn’t but…

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

well, if you're not overly concerned with defense, there's always Carlos Lee

Houston supposedly is willing to eat a significant amount of his contract.

Then again, maybe we could swap Soriano for Lee – the 2012 $ would be almost a wash (18M vs 18.5M). Lee’s a FA after 2012, while Soriano is under contract until 2014 (at 18M per) so the Cubs would have to eat some of that to make it worth Houston’s while. And when Houston moves to the AL in 2013, they’ll have a DH ready to go.

Again, all predicated on Cubs not signing Fielder and not thrilled with LaHair/Soto/Baker solution at 1B.

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by ballhawk on Dec 9, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Funny you should mention this.

I’ve been half-jokingly considering writing a Fanpost about the idea of trading for Carlos Lee. The Astros are reportedly willing to eat a large portion of his contract and he actually had a 4 WAR season in 2011. (Who knew?) A year of El Caballo at first base as a stopgap may not be all that bad if we can’t get Prince. I hadn’t considered the Soriano angle, though. That’s even better.

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by daver on Dec 9, 2011 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

actually I think Epstein/Hoyer are looking at defense first

If you saw what Epstein said about Pujols banging out balls in the AL and how that would effect a young pitcher who is trying to gain confidence you see where their heads are at, defense.

That means they want to build a foundation that does not give up outs and actually takes hits away. If Stewart and DeJesus fits that than that is a window to their thinking. I think they are looking for a possible good defense platoon at 1B.

If Looney is left in the non tender list I think they grab him and release LaHair and seek to find a RH bat. Loney hit .815 OPS against RH pitchers or Casey Kotchman (838 OPS) and therefore looking for someone to hit LH’ers, possibly a flyer on Xavier Nady.

A friend once told me: "I don't buy the idea that a team learns anything from a loss, the only thing they learn is how to lose games."---Knight

by Ivy Walls on Dec 9, 2011 6:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Hoping to build a successful team largely on run prevention...

…doesn’t seem to work. The Mariners gave it a shot a season or two ago and got burned badly. I think Theo and Jed are taking a more rounded approach.

Having said that, I like the Casey Kotchman idea. He had a good season with the Rays last year and is only 28. He profiles well defensively and has decent career OBP numbers. I guess they could grab Loney if he is nontendered, but I might even be OK with going into the season with a LaHair/Kotchman platoon — assuming Prince cannot be had, of course.

Xavier Nady we shall never speak of again.

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by daver on Dec 10, 2011 3:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Karros

Let’s bring Eric Karros back!

by srwilly on Dec 12, 2011 8:20 AM CST up reply actions  

not looking

like theo is doing much in trying to improve this team.i just hope this boston thing flys in chicago. im not as excited right now as i was when we got theo.

by NOMAR on Dec 10, 2011 5:36 AM CST reply actions  

Theo is trying to do two things at once:

1. Improve the team (i.e., the 2012 Cubs), and
2. Improve the organization as a whole.

It’s important to bear this distinction in mind and remember what a huge challenge his job is.

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by daver on Dec 10, 2011 3:45 PM CST up reply actions  

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