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Rays Lock Up Matt Moore for 5 years - Should Cubs Do The Same With Castro?

This is a very interesting process that the Rays have now done with two of their future star players:Longoria and now Matt Moore. Basically, the Rays are buying out the remaining 5 years of Moore's service time after only 17 days of major league service. Sounds crazy, right? It might be, or it might just become the next market inefficiency for Theo/Jed to take advantage of. Follow me after the break for the numbers.

Looking at a similar situation with the same team, Evan Longoria received a 6 year 17.5 million dollar contract for 17.5 million to cover arbitration years, an unbelievable bargain. They can also exercise options through 2016 for an additional 27 million dollars, making his the most team friendly contract in baseball

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The deal for Matt Moore is for $14 million over 5 years, which comes out to an average of 2.8 million per year. The deal also includes three club options, which (with incentives) can increase the value of the contract up to $40 million over 8 years. The average cost of his 3 FA years, assuming all 3 are picked up, will cost an average of 8.6 million dollars per year. The Rays are looking at a minimum risk of $14 million guaranteed vs. the ability to have a potential superstar locked up through his first 3 years of free agency for an average cost at 8.6 million dollars. This seems like a no-brainer to me.

Looking at a similar situation with the Rays: in 2008, Evan Longoria received a 6 year, $17.5 million contract for 6 arbitration years - an average cost of $2.9 million. The contract contains an identical club option for the first 3 years of FA. The total value of his contract has the ability to reach $44 million, assuming all 3 options are picked up. This means the Rays are capable of locking up one of the premier 3B in the game for the first 3 years of his FA for an AAV of $8.83 million.

To put these deals into perspective, consider these other contracts. In August 2006, David Wright was about to become arbitration eligible for the 1st time. The Mets, seeing the future star they had, decided to lock him up long term to the following contract: 6 years, $55 million. The contract was structured as follows: 2007: $1m, 2008: $5m, 2009: $7.5m, 2010: $10m, 2011: $14m, 2012: $15m. The contract also includes an option for 2013 at $16m. Assuming the option is picked up, and assuming a $450k salary for his first 2 years, the Mets will end up payingWright a total of $69.5 million for 8 years of service - a 158% increase over Longoria's agreement over 8 years.

As a pitcher, there is no perfect comparison, because we simply don't know what Moore is capable of becoming. Let's assume, for fun, he is a top ace as many expect him to be. Looking at Tim Lincecum's arbitration to date, following 3 club controlled years between 400k and 650k, Lincecum received a first year arb payment of $9m, a second year arb payment of $14m, and is on pace for a generous increase again in 2012. Considering through 5 years the Giants have already invested $24.6 million, and will invest at least another $15m in 2012 bringing the total to $39.6 million over 6 years. This would be a 283% increase over what Moore will receive through his arb years, not even considering that Moore will cost less than $9m through THREE more years of FA should the Rays find it worthwhile.

Even assuming Moore never becomes an ace, and just a very solid pitcher, we'll use Garza as an example. Garza was a super 2, and received around 800k in compensation for his first 2 years, followed by a 3rd year at $3.4 million, a 4th year at $6 million, and a 5th year at an assumed 8-9 million, the Rays and Cubs have already invested a combined $18.7 million for 5 years of Garza, a 34% increase over what Moore is scheduled to make, without even factoring in FA options.

What if locking up players early at a 40-280% decrease over their potential earnings is the next inefficiency? The Rays are doing this out of necessity, they absolutely need to lock these guys up early for affordable agreements and this is a huge risk for them - if Moore's arm falls off tomorrow, they are in trouble, $3 million a year is a lot to them for no return. The Cubs, however, could shrug off that $3 million with absolutely no second thoughts. I think that the possible return on a player of Moore's or Longoria's caliber (of which the Cubs obviously have none) far outweighs the potential risk.

I realize this is a very long post, but it's something that I've seen the Rays do twice now, that may very well yield them the two most team friendly contracts in baseball. How does BCB feel about this and whether or not the Cubs should take advantage of this as the next "moneyball" move?

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Should have sooner.

10-25-2011. Theo Epstein joins the Cubs. Now, the fun begins.

by timh815 on Dec 9, 2011 11:38 AM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s a really smart deal by the Rays.

The Cubs should absolutely, positively do this. Perhaps they will before this offseason is over.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Rays do this very well.

Did it with Longoria, Moore…Price? i dont remember bout him.

by MDavis on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Rockies did it with Tulo.

Brewers, with Braun.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Also, Zobrist and Wade Davis.

Waited too long on Price. He’ll probably be traded in the next couple of offseasons.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 11, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions  

James Shields.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 11, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the idea.

BTW, have there been any of these deals that “backfired”? It wouldn’t make me change my mind… as you note the Cubs could shrug off the cost… but just curious more than anything.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Dec 9, 2011 11:57 AM CST reply actions  

Per Cot’s – ‘backfiring’ is always in the eye of the beholder of course. These two on the Indians come to mind though.

Travis Hafner dh
4 years/$57M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option

4 years/$57M (2009-12), plus 2013 club option
signed extension with Cleveland 7/11/07, re-working previous deal by adding $2.25M to 2007 & $3M to 2008 salary
07:$6.3M, 08:$8.05M, 09:$11.5M, 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout)
limited no-trade clause allowing Hafner to block trades to certain unspecified clubs
Grady Sizemore of
1 year/$5M (2012)

1 year/$5M (2012)
re-signed by Cleveland as a free agent 11/23/11
$4M in performance bonuses: $0.25M each for 450, 475 PAs. $0.5M each for 500, 525, 550, 575, 600, 625, 650 PAs
award bonus: $0.5M for Comeback Player of the Year
6 years/$23.45M (2006-11), plus 2012 club option
signed extension with Cleveland 3/06, replacing 1 year deal for 2006 signed 3/06
$1M signing bonus
06:$0.5M, 07:$0.75M, 08:$3M, 09:$4.6M, 10:$5.6M, 11:$7.5M, 12:$8.5M club option ($0.5M buyout)
2012 option may escalate to $10.5M if Sizemore wins Gold Glove or Silver Slugger, makes All Star team or ranks high in MVP vote (2008 All Star selection increased price of 2012 option to $9M)
award bonuses: $75,000 for All Star selection, $0.1M each for Gold Glove, Silver Slugger
if Sizemore is traded:
he receives $0.5M assignment bonus and his salaries for remaining seasons increase by 10%
2012 option becomes a player option (buyout forfeited if Sizemore declines the option)
largest deal ever for play with less than 2 years of ML service
Cleveland declined 2012 option 10/31/11
1 year/$0.3183M (2005)
re-signed by Cleveland 2/05
split contract paying $85,200 in minors

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by Tweed Thornton on Dec 9, 2011 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Nowhere near the same kind of deal.

Especially Hafner’s. And Sizemore’s deal was a sweetheart deal when he was producing, now it’s just kinda worth it. That’s why you lock him up like that earlier instead of later. If they had waited, they’d have paid a lot more for him to burn out due to injuries.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 9, 2011 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully YES!

Now, with smart people in place the Cubs will do this. Great write up BTW.

by sloathcheck78 on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM CST reply actions  

Worth asking about

I don’t know if Castro and his agent are interested.

by Josh Timmers on Dec 9, 2011 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

This isn't exactly a new idea

The Indians built their powerhouse team of the 1990s by locking up their core players (Lofton, Belle, Baerga, Thome) to long-term contracts early in their careers. Of course, the Cubs’ farm system hasn’t produced those kind of players very often, so they haven’t had many opportunities to use this strategy, but I’d love to see them work out a deal like this with Castro.

by Jody Jody Davis on Dec 9, 2011 12:49 PM CST reply actions  

I'm not debating whether it's been done in the past - I'm debating whether it can be used in the future to give us a competitive advantage over other teams.

I also did not follow baseball nearly as closely as I do now when Belle, Lofton and Baerga signed their first contracts with the Indians, so I wont even try to comment on the similarities of the situation. You may be entirely correct though.

by bdlugz on Dec 9, 2011 1:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes sense.

Make a good, solid offer. I would have to think the agent would listen. New boss in town, new direction. Make an offer.

by Grockcubs on Dec 9, 2011 1:26 PM CST reply actions  

I can't really see a downside to doing this

Plus, it seems to fit into Theo’s M.O.-I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see this happen in the next couple of months.

by bluekoolaide on Dec 9, 2011 2:16 PM CST reply actions  

I wouldn't call this a market inefficiency

In exchange for getting Moore at a lower AAV, they assume all of the risk over the course of Moore’s deal. As you mentioned, if Moore blows out his arm, the Rays are screwed. There’s a tradeoff there. That’s not to say it’s a bad idea to lock up a player through his arbitration. It’s just not a market inefficiency

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 2:31 PM CST reply actions  

I'd say that the potential to save 50%, 100%, or more of a contracts value over the course of 5-8 years

could certainly be seen as a market inefficiency if done properly. The idea is that for every one that it works on – Longoria for example – you save enough money to try it out on dozens of other players with money saved from the smart signing. There comes a point when a certain % need to work, but if the Cubs separate themselves by using a tactic like this, it could put them well ahead of other teams in terms of contract value vs. production.

Market inefficiency may not be the phrase I’m looking for here, but I can’t come up with anything better. Any help on that front?

by bdlugz on Dec 9, 2011 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Well the reason its not a market inefficiency is that, when you think about it, its the result of an efficient market.

In deals like this (and with any contract extension before a player hits the market) the players trades the potential of a higher return for the security of a guaranteed long-term contract. That’s how markets work: risk is inversely correlated with return, all else equal.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess if you were consistently better than other teams at predicting which players would hold up and which players wouldn't...

And if you took advantage of that, then that would be taking advantage of a market inefficiency.

Pat Riley is the devil.

by Poloplaya14 on Dec 9, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Right, that's my thought process.

Need to become extremely good at properly judging talent.

by bdlugz on Dec 9, 2011 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

"screwed"

even the Rays can get past the kind of money they owe this guy. There is almost no risk whatsoever in this deal. He would literally have to have a career ending probably midway through year 3 of this deal at the latest for it to be potentially not worth the money involved. And those FA years are TEAM options, which is amazing.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 11, 2011 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

You're right, screwed is way too strong of a word.

It effects them much more than it effects a team like the Cubs, however. The fact that even the Rays can handle the risk shows it should be a no brainer for the Cubs.

I agree on 3 team options… deals like this make me think Friedman may be the best GM in the game right now.

by bdlugz on Dec 11, 2011 9:19 AM CST up reply actions  

Friedman's been near the top of the GM list for quite a while.

I’d love to hear the argument against him. AA of the Jays is another solid bet, but he DID flip Napoli for Francisco a year ago. Woof.

Am I the only one flagging this guy?
Seriously, do we have to wait for the money shot or a "F*** THE SOXXXXXX!" before we ban him? Doubleteapot… BAN HIM!!

by AlohaSox on Sep 28, 2011 10:20 PM CDT

by SandalsNoPants on Dec 11, 2011 9:40 AM CST up reply actions  

They should have done it with Castro

that ship’s sailed now that he’s an all-star. They should still do it, but they won’t get nearly the sweetheart deal the Rays got for Moore or Longoria (not that either of those players are that worse off for having done it). Unfortunately, we got Epstein a year too late… the last regime just pocketed the money they didn’t spend last year instead of reinvesting in players like Castro and Garza to turn them in to inexpensive assets. I trust Epstein can make some chicken salad out of the chicken droppings Jim Hendry, et al., left for him, but it could have been a lot easier, and nothing was gained.

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by jameslcrockett on Dec 9, 2011 4:01 PM CST reply actions  

Still

if they can do it before he’s arb eligible, they will still save some money.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone should mimmick the Rays

Their organization has didly squat for money and yet they contend almost every year. Its amazing.

If teams with money, aka, the Cubs, can combine signing big name Free Agents, and signing the younger players like Castro, or putting a lot of time and effort into their young players coming up, they would be much better.

So YES, sign Castro to a deal now, save money on him AND lock him down. Not everyone is going to be as fortunate as the Rays were with Longo, but the reason he isn’t a Yankee or Red Sox is because their efficient advanced scouting and payroll decisions.

GO BULLS AND BLACKHAWKS!

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Dec 9, 2011 4:11 PM CST reply actions  

They obviously have done a great job, particularly given the circumstances.

But they also “benefited” from drafting in the top 5 umpteen years in a row.

No other team had the opportunity to get Price or Upton and only two teams passed on Longoria (both of whom assuredly regret it).

Don’t get me wrong… they’ve done great… and assuredly, not all their players/success is due to high drafting position. But it sure didn’t hurt.

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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Dec 9, 2011 5:56 PM CST up reply actions  

IIRC, there might have been signability questions with Longoria and the Royals...

… which is why KC didn’t take him. Not sure why the Rockies passed.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 9, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions  

He won't be a FA until 2017...

the Cubs have time

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by Cubbiegoon on Dec 10, 2011 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

You miss the point then...

You lock him up now to get a massive discount for his FA and Arb years. You think if Moore is a dominant pitcher the Rays would get him in Arb 1, 2 and 3 for an average of 2.8 million? Kershaw is looking at 8 million for his FIRST arb, less than the Rays are paying for all 3 of Moore’s. Plus they own 3 FA years at under 9 million if they decide he is worth it, which even if he only becomes a #3, he’s still worth it.

by bdlugz on Dec 10, 2011 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes

The cubs need to do this ASAP. Castro is the brightest light this team has had since Sandberg. Make a very long-term offer and pray he’ll accept.

by MSKaldahl on Dec 11, 2011 2:21 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Wait

We need to wait a couple years but if they had to make a decision now id say sign him for 15 years and never let that mofo go

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by chcubsdomination on Dec 15, 2011 9:36 AM CST reply actions  

Two things.

1) You do it now BEFORE he gets to arbitration-eligible; that’s kind of the point

2) “Mofo” — unnecessary and gratuitous. No need for that stuff here. Thanks.

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by Al Yellon on Dec 15, 2011 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

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