Cubs Lose One-Run Pair To Reds, 7-6 And 9-8
MESA, Arizona -- In the two games played between the Cubs and Reds today, won by the Reds 7-6 in Mesa and 9-8 in Las Vegas, there was a total of seven home runs hit -- four by the Cubs, all in Vegas, and three by the Reds, one in Vegas and two in Mesa. It's one of the two in Arizona that I nearly had a great story to tell you about -- Chris Heisey's leadoff homer off Carlos Silva in the third inning after Silva had thrown a pair of perfect frames. Here's the not-quite-as-good truth.
It headed right at me, but I didn't pick up the flight of the ball until it was almost overhead. It hit off the net over the scoreboard, nearly off the top of the board, and came straight down where it hit off the heel of my left hand and rolled down the berm, where someone else climbed over the small fence, retrieved it and threw it on the field. (Even though I don't have a throwback ball with me here, I'd have kept it.)
Meanwhile, in Vegas, Starlin Castro hit a pair of home runs -- for the first time ever in one game, he said afterward -- the second of which cleared the 433-foot sign on the center field hitter's background, a wall that's about 30 feet high. Scott Moore also hit a pair of home runs for the Cubs in the Vegas game, and the Cubs went into the ninth inning with the lead -- promptly coughed up by Robert Coello, who struck out the first hitter he faced and then gave up four straight singles that won the game for the Reds. I managed to get back from the Mesa game just in time to see that on WGN-TV.
Carlos Silva was better today -- and then he wasn't. He threw two perfect innings, quite efficiently, and then the Reds started teeing off on him. In addition to Heisey's homer, Silva gave up a long double to Ramon Hernandez, another homer to Jeremy Hermida, and a triple to Reds 1B prospect Yonder Alonso, who later scored on a Hernandez sac fly. Of Silva's 15 outs, one was a strikeout, five were ground balls and the rest fly balls. He did manage to lay down a nice sacrifice bunt in the fourth inning, that helped lead to the Cubs' first run, driven in by Fernando Perez, who had three RBI in all today.
So what to do with Silva? He "lowered" his ERA to 16.20 today -- that's better than 29.70, right? -- and the Cubs will surely give him one more, at least. Todd Wellemeyer, who came in to replace Silva with a 6-4 lead, had control problems, issuing three walks and a passel of hits, although the final run off him, which turned out to be the winner, was due to an Aramis Ramirez error. This team still has work to do on defense. Marlon Byrd, though, continued his hot hitting by going 2-for-3 (now hitting .577); Darwin Barney had a pair of hits to raise his spring average to .318, and Bobby Scales, who won't make the team but is always fun to root for because he's such a good guy, was 3-for-5 with a pair of RBI and is hitting .462. Unfortunately, when Scales came up with a chance to tie or win the game in the last of the ninth, he grounded out.
I got to see Trey McNutt for the first time today. He gave up an infield single, but otherwise had an uneventful inning -- mostly against Reds minor leaguers, probably Double-A level, similar to who he'll be facing this year. That may be his last shot at major league spring training this season, though.
Our old buddy Dontrelle Willis, on another of his last chances, gave up most of what turned out to be a five-run Cubs rally in the fifth inning; that included a pair of hits allowed, two walks, and his departure from the game with an injury suffered when he tripped over a bat and sprained his ankle trying to back up a play. It's really too bad -- Willis had tremendous ability and is still just 29, but he appears just about done.
Attendance watch: today's crowd of 10,327 was the second-largest of the spring, and that's not a good sign. With spring breaks beginning and great weather, this game should have drawn more people. In past years, a mid-March Saturday game in perfect, warm conditions would have been a sellout. That makes the spring total at HoHoKam 67,477 for nine dates, an average of 7,497, far below last year. The Vegas game drew 9,047, lower than in previous years. Other games today: Brewers/Diamondbacks (Maryvale) 6,838; Dodgers/Royals (Surprise) 5,451; Dodgers/Giants (Scottsdale) 12,081; Athletics/Mariners (Peoria) 7,040; Rangers/White Sox (Glendale) 5,868; Padres/Rockies (Talking Stick) 11,506; and Angels/Indians (Goodyear) 5,400. This fits in with the pattern: the Giants and the new D'backs/Rockies complex are drawing well, everyone else is struggling.
Tomorrow, Carlos Zambrano faces the Dodgers' Rubby De La Rosa in Las Vegas, and Braden Looper will go against the Diamondbacks' Daniel Hudson at Talking Stick. Both games begin at 3:05 CDT -- that's Daylight Saving Time -- don't forget to turn your clocks ahead one hour tonight if you are in the USA or Canada (except in Arizona, Hawaii, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and parts of Saskatchewan and Quebec).
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Castro had a fantastic day at the plate...
but he would’ve had at least 3 errors today, if Scott Moore hadn’t been a beast at diving & digging balls out of the dirt over at 1B.
still a good game, I had a great time today.
and the apocalypse is upon is upon us as Koyie “I got a hit” Hill shot a double down the 3rd base line. Run for the hills!!! The end is nigh!!!!!
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by VegasCubFan on Mar 12, 2011 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
I have not seen Florida numbers.
Wondering if the FL-based teams are seeing a similar dropoff in attendance numbers. Have not seen anything, though I admit I have not looked very hard.
How could you
Fail to mention Koyie Hill’s first hit? TJ must be furious.
Regarding Castro, that second HR he hit was a BOMB. That ball was hit to dead center over a tall fence. You have to believe in the kid’s power potential after seeing him rope that shot.
I did not see the Castro HR, obviously.
But you’re not the only one to tell me it was a huge blast. I’m glad to see him developing his power potential, definitely.
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Assuming Pena bats third, normally I'd be walking over to Sheffield during the Castro at-bat.
After seeing those two rather effortless swings today, I might have to re-think my strategy…
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no but I heard Hendry is readying a 3 year deal with a NTC for Hill to sign.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
AAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa
it IS the Apocalypse!!!!
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by VegasCubFan on Mar 12, 2011 10:38 PM CST up reply actions
it was amazing
he roped a double down the third base line. I felt like I was witnessing history. Castro was indeed a beast today as was Moore. Funny little note about Moore’s second shot hit off the top of the Meadow Gold inflatable cow that sits probably 20 feet behind the right field fence. He should have gotten a steak or something for that.
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his homer was just to the right of the 433 sign in dead center at Cashman
only Rob Deer and Vinny Castilla have hit one there in all my experiences at Cashman.
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by VegasCubFan on Mar 12, 2011 10:37 PM CST up reply actions
Assuming
the D’Backs and Rockies draw more than 8500 at Talking Stick tonight, today’s attendance in the Cactus League will exceed last year. Again.
For the week, attendance is up about 10% over last year.
As a side note, the Rockies will play two games as host at Talking Stick today, and they figure to draw over 20,000 for the two games. When you add in the 12,000 the Giants drew today, that’s over 30,000 in Scottsdale on a lovely first Saturday of Spring Break.
As I have noted
… the Giants are drawing well, and the new complex is drawing well, as are other games involving the Diamondbacks, who now can play before their local fans for ALL spring training games.
Other teams are down.
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The League as a whole
is about the same as it was last year.
I am perplexed as to why you keep posting that it is down. It isn’t.
And this is when the rubber hits the road. Nearly 2/3rds of ST attendance happens after the start of Spring Break.
If the rubber had hit the road...
… today’s game would have been sold out. It wasn’t. Attendance at many venues is down. That’s an undeniable fact.
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Boy are you stubborn
we are talking about the CACTUS LEAGUE, not the Cubs. The league-wide attendance was higher today than it was a year ago. For the week it is higher, also.
How much clearer can it get? 2 days into Spring Break and attendance is up between 5 and 10%.
All of the teams in the East Valley (Giants, D’Backs and Rockies) are running well ahead of the Cubs, and the Cubs may well finish behind all of them.
I told you last year this was going to happen, now it is happening.
The Cubs day of being the attendance king of the Cactus League is done. Get over it.
You really like to be combative here, don't you?
My point isn’t that the Cubs are or aren’t the “attendance king”.
Attendance is down throughout the Cactus League, except for the Giants, D’backs and Rockies, as I have continually pointed out through all these posts.
The overall attendance may be up because the D’backs and Rockies are so significantly up from their last year in Tucson. Up between 5 and 10% overall? Let’s see specific numbers. That’s not what I see.
And the Cubs are down for several reasons. I’m trying to nail down the various reasons.
If you were nicer in your posts, maybe we could have a civil discussion about this.
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It amazes me why people go to such an extent to discredit Al
I can’t understand why some folks make it their agenda to attack and embarrass the managing editor (and de facto “owner”) of a harmless baseball blog at every turn, the way they would a politician or toxic boss or individual that’s truly out to do people harm.
Playing Devil’s Advocate? He speaks more eloquently and succinctly than you do. Jealousy? Then go start your own blog. A perceived personal slight? Only in your own mind. A hard-on to prove the Emperor has no clothes? Take a look in the mirror and get back to me when you find something worth bragging about.
by EalyEagle on Mar 12, 2011 11:10 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Azjazzman seems to have trouble with speaking in non-condescending tones.
Which is too bad. He has insight to offer.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
by shoemile on Mar 13, 2011 3:48 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And oddly enough...
… I know azjazzman personally.
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I read that.
I’ll have more to say about that in today’s game preview post.
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What is really sad
is that any endeavor to provide accurate information is met with accusations of condescension and attempts to discredit.
It’s one of the reasons why BCB has lost so many participants over the last few years.
As the linked article below makes clear, the posts I have been making about Cactus League attendance have been substantially correct; the repeated posts Al has made on this subject have been based on erroneous assumptions, including these comments:
"It appears that virtually everyone in the Cactus League is down in attendance, in some cases way down"
and
"There is no question in my mind that Cactus League attendance is off — in some cases, way off."
What is unique on this blog is that when someone offers more accurate information, and goes to the trouble of compiling supporting data, that person is mocked, insulted and accused of nefarious motives.
It makes one wonder why some people on here are so defensive and threatened.
Which just supports my contention that the general atmosphere is one of "don’t annoy me with facts, if they conflict with my beliefs!"
And nobody ever admits they were wrong, even when they clearly are.
Don't talk like a d##k, and people won't (for the most part) speak to you like one.
You’re an adult. Surely you understand this.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
I don't think this discussion is about discrediting anyone..
.., I actually see both sides of the argument. There are things that I’ve kept quiet on that I’ve read on this website that I found perplexing, one of those being the interview Al did with Ricketts.
It’s great that Al can get that kind of access and maybe a lot of those questions he was asking were on behalf of those on this website but for the sake of Cub fan edification that interview lacked any incite as to how the Ricketts family is going to rite the ship. Instead much of the interview was focused on T.V. viewing access and other what I would call non-essentials. Now that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the work that goes into this website, I do but that doesn’t mean that we blindly hang onto every word that Al has to say.
Now I don’t call that attacking, embarrassing, playing Devil’s Advocate, Trying to Prove the Emperor wear no clothes. It’s simply a matter of disagreement. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying people don’t try and do that on this website, though I don’t see that in this case.
BTW, in defense of azjazzman (whom I’ve never met) he may very well be an affable fella, I don’t know but keep in mind a lot gets lost in translation when you’re reading what someone is trying to convey.
Runners in scoring position repeatedly stranded
bad fielding and ineffective relief that could not hold leads. Deja Vu all over again.
Let’s work it out now.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
Considering...
… the “ineffective relief” was done by a pitcher who won’t be on the major league roster, I’m not too worried about the Vegas result.
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Yep, remember - what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
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by ballhawk on Mar 12, 2011 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
relief
wasn’t just a problem for someone that won’t be on the major league roster. Bad Marmol showed his face today…Carlos just didn’t have it at all today.
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Can I get in on this too?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2011 8:50 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe I shouldn't follow along anymore on ESPN GameCast.
The Bulls are not playing as well anymore.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2011 8:59 PM CST up reply actions
yea i am watching it....utah picking it up
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
Clearly, continuing the momentum they had
From the second half of their win over the Hawks the other night.
At one point, the Bulls were outscoring Atlanta 44-20 in the second half, this was as the fourth quarter was winding down.
At the rate they’re going tonight, Scalabrine might play more than just a few minutes.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2011 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
Jordan is at the game
Wonder what he thinks of Rose
Jordan thinks Rose is hands down...
…the NBA MVP this year, he said that after the game against the Bobcats the other night.
I whole heartedly agree
However the criteria for MVP has change in most sports in recent years. By definition the MVP has to be a combination of a few things; stats, team impact, and team ranking. Rose has all three, scoring, assists, his team would fall apart without his presence and they are going to be the top seed in the east.
Up 27 at the half.
Not much to complain about.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2011 8:09 PM CST up reply actions
The cubs are thinking of alternating between Kosuke...
…and Baker for leadoff this year. I think it should be Castro.
i dont think castro is/will be a lead off hitter
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Mar 12, 2011 9:26 PM CST up reply actions
We already know he can hit the ball all over the field...
…for average, he hits both righties and lefties and would be a good fit until his power develops. Instead it looks like Quade is going to platoon the leadoff role.
i think hes a great 2 hitter, but i dont know if putting him a spot that requires him working the count
and going out of his game is a good idea
He's my Hossa
HO-HO-HO-HO-HOSSA
by jesus christos on Mar 12, 2011 9:35 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s the value of Fukudome as a leadoff hitter — taking five or six pitches, making the other guy work and letting his teammates see some pitches.
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Yes but I don't like the idea of using a platoon
player as your leadoff man. One thing the Cubs need is consistency and they have three positions that are going to require platooning; rf, 2b, and if Pena can’t hit 1b. That means a lack of consistency in the lineup, not a good thing for teams that think they are contenders.
I can see your point.
I don’t necessarily think a platooned lineup can’t make the playoffs.
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Don't forget though, being a #2 hitter carries a lot of responsibilities too
and a bunch of different requirements depending on what the leadoff guy does. Being able to bunt, hit behind the runner, acting as a 2nd leadoff hitter, and then of course, just being a regular hitter.
Of course, Quade could always say just go up there and do your thing. That might be the best approach, all things considered. I mean, we don’t seem to have the prototypical leadoff hitter, so probably shouldn’t sweat it too much if we don’t have the prototypical #2 hitter.
But at least we’ll have our catcher hitting where all catchers should hit. So we got that going for us… ;-)
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If he wants to be like Hanley
and hit leadoff and eventually 3 I would love it. I just believe with the people the team has to work with Baker and DOME are a fairly good rotation at the top. The numbers do not lie and with such a long season with a few interchangeable parts I think it works ok.
I also think that if a young player like Castro can grasp the idea of the 2 hole WHILE developing his power it would make a deadly combo one day. I mean the kid is 20 and his body should fill out in a good way.
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Beating a Dead Horse
“So what to do with Silva? He “lowered” his ERA to 16.20 today — that’s better than 29.70, right? — and the Cubs will surely give him one more, at least."
Where was his ERA going to go? In fact, keeping in the spirit of the split squad being in Vegas, I would have bet $1000 that Silva’s ERA would go down today. That being said he was still awful today and two more starts like that this spring should sink his hopes of making the rotation. Cashner at this point has to be a lock for the fifth spot.
Maybe it's a good time to throw him out there...
Expectations aren’t too high. Kinda like rookie QB’s, get him some reps now and it might pay off when we are more competitive…
Pena continues to struggle too
0 for 4 2ks and 6 LOB. So far this spring, .167/.310./.292.
We signed this guy for power, where is it?
Rudy is gonna have his hands full with Pena.
Wouldn't it be better to root for Silva to be successful?
The Cubs are a better team if they can get “1st half” Silva and use Cashner in the bullpen. We don’t know how effective Cashner would be in the rotation. All we know for sure is that he wouldn’t be able to pitch an entire season.
Rooting for Silva is not going to turn him into a good pitcher...
…and we certainly can’t will him to ace status. The only thing Cashner has to worry about is his control, he has the stuff to be a starter. We already know what Silva is, he’s a career long mlb bust.
...but it get other teams interested
I just read a Bruce Levine article that said the Nationals and Yankees had scouts there to watch Silva today. Long shot, but Hendry may get lucky!
by mr_einstein on Mar 12, 2011 10:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Personally
I do not think the Cubs make the playoffs and with that thinking I really like the idea of Cashner as a starter for the Cubs. Beginning next season.
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by Hammer on Mar 12, 2011 10:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
Although I don’t see the same “golden boy” pitcher as most do here with Cashner, he needs to start the season in AAA and NOT the bullpen where he’ll be a waste. He needs to be throwing 7 – 8 innings a start and he’s NOT ready to do that this year with the big boys. Next year……hopefully.
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Cant they stretch him out now?
He threw 4 innings last time and hell probably get a couple more starts in spring. Then when the season starts you could let him pitch like 80 pitches a start for a couple of starts.
Ill take 7-8 innings any day
…..not calling him a golden boy at all. I see him as a positive low cost contributor for years to come. Upside – not sure. But I like what I see.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 12, 2011 9:19 PM CST reply actions
Wow, STILL scouting Silva?!?
Consider me stunned… but take a look.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/03/yankees-nationals-scouting-carlos-silva.html
Yankee and Nationals may be interested in Silva still? There’s an answer for what to do with him.
Man crushin' on Marlon Byrd.
We'll all miss you Ron.
Maybe Larry Rothschild can persuade them to take him for the Yanks...
sort of a “good will gesture” for his former team?…..Nah.
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Actually, maybe.
Silva had success last year under Rothschild. Maybe Larry thinks he can “fix” him.
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I like Scott Moore....
Also like Barney over DeWitt at 2B…..
How about we keep Moore and get rid of DeWitt?
Scott Moore is a 27-year-old minor league journeyman.
His experience at 2B consists of 17 minor league games and 22 major league games, after being mostly a third baseman.
This is who you want to replace a 25-year-old player who MIGHT be better? Admittedly, DeWitt needs help with his defense. If he can hit better, you platoon him and Baker and Barney can be a defensive replacement for both.
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cubs in the playoffs
win the NL central by a tiebreaker over the Reds with the Pirates in 3rd place – book it now…
Castro makes me smile
Two real nice swings
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over
at mlb trade rumors. com there is a story about the yanks and nats scouting silva. if true don be surprised to see the cubs dump him for salary relief and go with one of the kids.and im really surprised the phillies have not looked at fukudome considering their right field problems.
I can't see why either team
would have any interest. Or any reason to not pull the trigger on Silva. If we get salary relief and a useless prospect, or no salary relief and a marginal prospect, pull said trigger.
my take
on the attendene problems.people dont have money or the cubs might be starting to lose fans.maybe people are starting to get tired of waiting for this team to win.the cubs are trying but the players they get just dont do the job. im in it for the long haul no matter what. but im really tired of hearing about goats curses and the 103 year thing. really tiring.but that might wear some people down. but its spring training too. im 5 minutes from the phillies park and i would not waste 30.00 on a game.unless the cubs were there. the closest we come are the daytona cubs.
Just a question on the attendance thing
Are there more teams in closer proximity this season in Arizona? That might help explain the lower attendance at individual parks since a casual fan or autograph hunters might go see different teams since they are now closer. And at the same time account for the statement that overall attendance is up. I think that Cubs regular season attendance hinges on a good April, with their schedule even a mediocre team might go 17-10 or better since the only real heavy hitter they see is a Milwaukee team without their ace.
I do think that is a factor, yes.
The D’backs and Rockies are now in the Phoenix area instead of Tucson.
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Fantasy baseball question...
I’m doing fantasy baseball for the first time in a few years. I have the first pick in our draft tomorrow. Do I take Pujols or draft a 1B in a later round and take Hanley #1 overall?
With that as the choice, I'd take Hanley.
Because there aren’t as many SS who hit the way he does, but there are some 1B who are close to Pujols.
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I'd go with Pujols
so you can get a Cub. (ducks, runs.)
I understand the temptation to get Hanley because of positional scarcity, but I always go with BPA in the first round.
by Josh Timmers on Mar 13, 2011 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it's called the National League, Central Division and more specifically - the Chicago Cubs
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