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Dodgers 2, Cubs 1: The Same Old Story

Ryan Dempster of the Chicago Cubs throws a pitch during a spring training baseball game at Camelback Ranch in Glendale, Arizona.  (Photo by Kevork Djansezian/Getty Images)

GLENDALE, Arizona -- I wasn't going to go to this game originally, because of the parking issues at Camelback Ranch, but a kind BCBer offered me a front-row seat near the Cubs dugout. That was too good an offer to pass up. If you haven't seen them already, check out some of the photos I posted via TwitPic from the game.

The "same old story" is the lack of offense. Today's pitching was actually quite good, and if Ivan DeJesus hadn't sent Tyler Colvin into a sure out at the plate with one out in the first inning, the Cubs might have had Chad Billingsley on the ropes early. There was no chance Colvin was going to score from second on Marlon Byrd's single -- he was out by ten feet. Instead, Billingsley settled down and gave the Cubs only a pair of singles and a few walks. They managed to load the bases against him in the sixth inning with two out, but Jeff Baker flied to center.

Meanwhile, Ryan Dempster scattered six hits over six innings, striking out six and giving up only one run, on three singles in the fifth. John Grabow and Sean Marshall threw scoreless innings, and then Jeff Baker tied the game in the top of the ninth with a long home run that completely cleared the left field berm and scattered people sitting at barstool-height tables behind the Dodger bullpen.

Samardzija was left in to throw a second inning of relief and got a bit wild. He gave up a long double, then issued a walk and, after Darwin Barney prevented a run (for the moment) by keeping a ball in the infield for a single, ran the count to 3-0 before striking out Gabe Kapler. Then Orlando Mercado -- the son of a former major league catcher by the same name -- ended it with a pop fly that Fernando Perez couldn't handle.

Star-divide

It was father-son day everywhere. In addition to Mercado, the same-named son of the Cubs coach, Ivan DeJesus Jr., played shortstop for the Dodgers. James Baldwin, a Dodger prospect whose father (also with the same name) once pitched for the White Sox as well as the Dodgers, pinch-ran. Completing old-home-week, but not a son of a major leaguer, ex-Cub Aaron Miles pinch-hit (and flied to center). Sitting near home plate, I can tell you that Miles is even shorter than you thought he was when he was with the Cubs.

Most likely, what you all want to talk about is the big meeting between Mike Quade, his coaches, and Jim Hendry and Randy Bush this morning. As you can see by one of the TwitPics I sent, Quade had a long discussion in the dugout with some of the Chicago beat writers -- it lasted a good 20-25 minutes, and during some of it, the reporters weren't even taking notes or recording, and laughter was happening on all sides of the talk. Can you imagine Lou Piniella having a session like that? Anyway, the biggest thing that occurred as a result of that meeting was the switch in starting pitchers tomorrow in Mesa. Carlos Silva will start, moving Carlos Zambrano -- who was originally scheduled -- to throw at Fitch Park in a minor league game. The brass apparently wants Silva to still have a shot at the rotation -- this, to me, seems a really bad idea. Andrew Cashner has outpitched Silva. According to one tweet from Gordon Wittenmyer, even Braden Looper is still "in the mix" for fifth starter, despite his horrendous outing on Saturday in Peoria.

It's OK if they wait a little while longer. I imagine there are players they still want to give a fair shot to. But eventually, they are going to have to make some tough decisions and maybe eat some money, to put the best players on the field.

A couple of other things I noticed while sitting closer than I usually do, on an outstandingly clear day in the Valley (all the haze that had settled over the last week or so was gone; the mountains were completely visible all the way across the Valley from highways 101 and I-10, something that's pretty rare):

  • Mike Quade was engaged with discussions with Mark Riggins and Pat Listach throughout the game, in addition to calling over Kosuke Fukudome and Tyler Colvin for some talks while they were in the on-deck circle. Fukudome clearly understands more English than you might guess. He and Quade even shared a laugh when a foul ball nearly hit Fukudome.
  • Today's home plate umpire, a minor leaguer named Stephen Barga, appeared to be squeezing both sides. A wag in the stands yelled out, "Make sure you have your reservations for Chattanooga!"
  • As noted above, it was easy to see the play on Colvin in the first inning setting up; there was no way I'd have sent him, with one out in the first inning of a scoreless game.
  • Wide swaths of empty seats reigned today; attendance was only 7,951, more than 5,000 fewer than the last time I was at Camelback Ranch last year. The Diamondbacks drew another near-sellout today of 11,794, but a couple of other games (Padres/Brewers at Maryvale, 5,003 and Athletics/Reds at Goodyear, 3,540) did not draw well this afternoon.

As noted, tomorrow Carlos Silva gets another shot at starting. If he throws poorly, I'd say the Cubs just have to bite the bullet and eat the salary. If he throws well -- then what? I'm not sure. Gio Gonzalez, who threw six strong innings vs. the Cubs last Thursday at Phoenix Muni, gets the start for the Athletics. Tomorrow's game is not televised, but after that, four games in a row are on TV, Thursday through Sunday.

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I'm surprised by

how Perez has played. I really had high expectations for him, and he’s played tentatively all spring.

"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.

by WindisBlowingOut! on Mar 22, 2011 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

True

If his baseball was as good as his youtube videos he’d be on the opening day roster

"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.

by WindisBlowingOut! on Mar 22, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

if only baseball was judged like figure skating...

"What do you think, I just dunked my whole career?" Jordan asked Henderson after making a 3.
"You’ve got to miss eventually," Henderson told him.
"That’s what Cleveland said," replied Jordan

by MRubio52 on Mar 23, 2011 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's Spring for the base coaches, too...

but how long before we start calling him “Wavin’ DeJesus?” Byrd’s single was hit too sharply and Colvin was out by a country mile. Nice to see the game on MLB Network today and 3-4 more games on TV coming up over the next week…

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by DKT on Mar 22, 2011 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

How was the game winning pop?

Was it something that Perez should have gotten to? It was hard to tell from the radio broadcast.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Mar 22, 2011 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Perez dropped the ball.

So yes, he should have held on to it.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al

When I read your recap I guess I misunderstood what happened. I guess “popfly he couldn’t handle” should indicate he dropped it, but I was also thinking maybe he didn’t make the throw to get the runner.

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by WindisBlowingOut! on Mar 22, 2011 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bases were loaded...

… so that wouldn’t have been relevant.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

So essentially, the Cubs got the Willie Gault of center fielders

Can run like the wind, but can’t actually catch anything.

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Mar 22, 2011 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Or maybe you could call him “Herb Washington”.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mercado's single

was off the glove of a sliding Perez. It’s not right to just say he dropped the ball. The problem once again was Samardzija whose control was poor and caused the run, Perez wasn’t given an error and didn’t deserve one.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Mar 22, 2011 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Where was he playing?

Perez is still off camera in a seriously wide-angle shot about three beats after the ball is hit. He appears to have been guarding the left-field line, and near the warning track? Did he get the worst jump of all time?

When you consider the speed he’s moving at when he finally enters the shot, it looks like he would have covered some SERIOUS ground if he’d been off and running at a normal time. So did he lose it in the sun initially, or what?

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by D98 on Mar 22, 2011 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The video looks like Perez was playing pretty deep...

and towards the line with how fast he was running coming into the shot.

by ubercubsfan on Mar 22, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...

nobody else on that team even comes close to that…yep…even sentimental Reed.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 22, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm assuming Reed would have been positioned better!

It looks like Perez was rather hilariously out of position, especially given the circumstances. Was he trying to make sure the ball stays in front of him?

It also looks like he got an insanely bad jump – he’s running at breakneck speed, but he’s still not visible on a shot showing almost all of LF by the time the pop fly lands behind the shortstop. He must have lost it for a moment, right? Either that, or he started running from the parking lot.

It was a pop flare into middle center field. Frankly, I think Soriano could have handled it. Reed probably would have caught it on a jog. Perez, for whatever reason, seemed to be playing Mercado about where Wrigley’s bullpen is. All the speed in the world doesn’t matter if you start running 2 seconds late.

And I may be more willing to give Perez some benefit of the doubt if this wasn’t an every-other-day occurrence.

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by D98 on Mar 22, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he was positioned where they told him to be...

the bench pretty much positions the OFers for situations like that, don’t they?

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

The hit was a weak dying quail

But the issue was the clubbed double in the first place.

by Josh Timmers on Mar 22, 2011 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trib saying the 5th spot is still fuzzy.

Linky

What I found interesting / slightly concerning is that Cashner hasn’t even thrown more than 60 pitches or come even close to 5 innings yet. He could have two more ST appearances (but probably one).

I think this might lead them to send Cashner to Iowa for a month to continue “stretching out”. And for his future, that may not be the worst thing in the world… and yes, I fully realize that leaves the Cubs with “duck and cover” options for the 5th starters spot since they never gave Coleman a chance (still perplexing… is he hurt?).

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by fsuapollo on Mar 22, 2011 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't understand the lack of starts for Coleman, either.

He was very good last September — and Mike Quade was the manager then.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup...

IMO if Coleman is even close to Silva, you give Coleman the nod. Carlos Silva has not future on this team. Casey Coleman might. It just makes no sense.

by dmlichte on Mar 22, 2011 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al, did you get out.of the parking lot OK?

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Mar 22, 2011 7:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yes.

By leaving after the 8th inning.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I assume the LA fans left in the 7th, as they do at Chavez Ravine

ask not what the Cubs can do for you - ask what you can do for the Cubs.

by holy mackeral on Mar 22, 2011 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some did.

Many arrived late, too.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barney....

 Has really really started winning me over with his work his ass off style play. His range is very very nice from what I’m saying. His offense might not be flashy yet but he seems to be staying within himself and doing what he can do and doing it well. I want him ran out there on opening day and named the starter at this point. Maybe I’m a bit over optimistic about him but in my eyes he’s earned the nod. I think we have a nice middle of the field in the making for a good 10 years!

by cubsluver22 on Mar 22, 2011 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree on Barney.

His defense is solid, if not trending toward outstanding. He seems to be able to hit a little bit. He should get a shot to win at least part of the 2B job.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Barney as well. But..

What are the 3 options at second base hitting so far? Barney, DeWitt, and Baker? Had the chance to go to my first ST game ever today and Baker pounded that home run. DeWitt didn’t impress.

by Dave Gottschalk on Mar 22, 2011 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny how a baseball smart player with ability to play within himself can shine

Thing is looking on paper the obvious big hole in the Cubs everyday lineup is a genuine left handed hitting 2B who is a leadoff hitter with OBP above .375 and can run the bases effectively.

Chone Figgins or Jose Reyes. It might not be until sometime in May before Mariners or Mets might be motivated to make a move with their $9M salaries.

As for Silva I want him to have a great day…maybe someone might take a flier with him.

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 22, 2011 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No No No and No

 Noth reyes and figgins are extreme injury prone players. Reyes has had several run ins with his current team for loafing! Both are very proud/over confident of their abilities and is exactly what this fundamentally challenged team don’t need.

by cubsluver22 on Mar 22, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

there are warts and there were similar warts with Kenny Lofton

Actually I would vote for Reyes in that his contract expires, but with a seasoned Barney the Cubs could platoon the injury prone player…the attitude has to be looked into…but changes in scenery can often be the ticket.

The reality is Cubs are not going to score runs in bunches or with the HR, so they have to get someone who gets on base at the lead off position, 2B is the obvious spot,

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 22, 2011 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theres no platoon Ivy, with Reyes...

He’s full of himself! Granted he’s a game changing bad ass top of the heap player when healthy. His antics will never allow him to soak up the reality of potential he could reach with his 100% effort.

by cubsluver22 on Mar 22, 2011 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playing 2nd...

would keep Reyes healthier, as well. Not sure he’d make that switch though. What Figgins and Reyes have in common are potential malcontents if they have to play 2nd. The Cubs need to keep these issues off Quade’s plate, if he’s going to have any success as manager.

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by jameslcrockett on Mar 23, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Figgins...

is not extremely injury prone. He just doesn’t like playing second base (though I think that was just a factor of the Mariners bumbling the switch), so i don’t think he’d be a great fit for the Cubs. I still think he’d produce the way the Cubs need him to once he’s away from SafeCo Field. He’d hit a little bit more, and he got on base fine last year after a really slow start. If he really liked 3rd more, he could always switch over if Aramis isn’t with the team anymore. The Cubs are unlikely to find a more valuable asset than Figgins at that price. The Mariners are fools to hang on to him, but he does fit the kind of players they need there, so i’m not sure if they would be able to get him that cheap in trade.

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by jameslcrockett on Mar 23, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baker

 Is a all or nothing hitter, He don’t seem to have 1 bit of situational in him. I think Barney should get the nod at the second sack and him or Dewitt should be decided upon by their ability to backup 3B and PH.

by cubsluver22 on Mar 22, 2011 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Baker pounds lefthanders.

That’s his value.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know it's just spring training,

but this is roughly how I expect the NL to finish at the end of the season:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/exhibition.jsp?tcid=mm_mlb_standings

Can’t say the same for the AL of course.

by mic on Mar 22, 2011 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks accurate for the Cubs

Bet the farm on 72 wins or less. Hopefully Ricketts will finally grow a pair and dump our underperforming GM. Teams that tolerate mediocrity tend to be, well, mediocre.

I'm wet nurse to a (5th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!

by Eisman57 on Mar 22, 2011 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well it could be 72 or less

if the Cubs go north with Silva in the 5 spot, Hill backing up behind the plate, Dewitt given the job at second and Perez beating out Reed for the 5th OF position.
 Hendry, Quade and Bush shouldn’t kid themselves, Good-bye to Silva, Perez, Shark and Hill. Barney should get the majority of starts at second. Get a little youth on this team.

by Grockcubs on Mar 22, 2011 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

But way too much old age

If Colvin is the 4th OF, the only starting position players under 30 will be Castro, Soto (and as a catcher he is old for his age), and the yawning black hole at 2B.

It really is time to give up trying to contend with the last remains of the 2007-2008 team and get younger right away. As an opening ante, the team should start Colvin so he can succeed or fail, and bring up Jackson as soon as he is ready.

by ClarkFan on Mar 23, 2011 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it isn't

I’m sick of the “don’t even bother trying to compete this year” chorus around here. Those guys will get their chance soon enough.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take it up with Hendry then

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 23, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh. I think that chorus lost its mojo after the Garza trade.

There are a lot of doomsayers, but I haven’t heard a lot of talk recently about damning 2011 for the sake of the youngsters.

I do think there is frustration that a lot of underperforming vets — Kosuke, Hill, Silva — might get jobs over promising youngsters. To each his own on those moves.

It’s a similar, but different, criticism.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is a distinction

but I’m not sure there’s much of a difference, eg.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's pretty big, IMO.

It’s “screw 2011 — let’s play for the future!” versus “2011 is gonna be rough, I wish they wouldn’t play these crappy veterans instead of the kids.”

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

Maybe the only difference is your beginning premise. The end result isn’t much different.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Woody, Demp, Sori, Ramy, Byrd, Dome, Pena, Silva, these are young players.

by Grockcubs on Mar 23, 2011 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Spring training is spring training but...

The results aren’t meaningless. My two cents is that our starting pitching – mystery #5 starter aside – is going to be solid. I’m not worried about any of our 1-4 giving us a chance to win most outings. Our offense on the other hand isn’t giving me warm fuzzies. It’s a deceptively old lineup with five starters 33+ years old, and many of these guys with injury issues.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 22, 2011 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

The defense isn't making me feel warm and fuzzy either

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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 22, 2011 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

I could have gone on about the defense, bullpen, lack of team speed. But if you look at some other NL projected starting lineups (AZ, NYM, SD, HOU) I guess it could be worse.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 22, 2011 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on.

No one’s saying that’s the solution to anything… only that he did something Lou never would have thought of.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 22, 2011 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a needless slam on the previous manager.

You could’ve mentioned it without bringing Lou into it, and you know it.

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 22, 2011 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

So?

You offered it up as if it was something that……mattered. It doesn’t

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by BoVandy on Mar 22, 2011 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike Quade ought to be spending...

…more time with his players, showing them how to actually catch and throw a baseball rather than trying to make friends with the reporters. That doesn’t win baseball games.

by troutfishin on Mar 22, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you say that, TJ?

Because they don’t ask Quade every day why Hill still is on the team?

That’s an idiotic thing to think.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, jeez.

Can’t we all just get along?

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

The baseball grass is always greener

When Dusty was manager we – myself included – all begged for a more fiery personality who would actually get off the bench and argue a call. Then we got Pinella who was fiery — until he wasn’t and went from fiery to just ornery and so some folks wanted a more positive energy, engaging guy who we have in Quade. If they can win games and keep the house in order that’s all I care about.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 23, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the twitter pics

I enjoyed it.

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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 22, 2011 8:52 PM CDT reply actions  

The Calvary has arrived

I got to AZ and will be at the next 3 games so expect lots of Cub runs.

Sadly while I am in AZ, my checked bag is still in New York. I don’t usually check, but there was no fee and I figured it was better than fighting for space in the overhead. I had a bad feeling about it from the start as I had connection but it turned out to be easy ( over an hour and 4 gates down) No idea why bag is in NYC and did not even get on the next plane, but I am careful traveller and have everything I need. Alas can’t wear the T shirt I wanted to the game tomorrow.

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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 22, 2011 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you for playing air travel roulette

As a consolation prize, feel free to take the barf bag from the seat pocket in front of you and the shopping magazine so the airline can profit when you order more clothes.

Damn airlines………

by ClarkFan on Mar 23, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Calvary"?

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

we are getting close to Good Friday

maybe there is a production setting up somewhere…

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey I was USING SPELL CHECK

but obviously not paying attention.

Bag arrived by messenger late last night.

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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 23, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spell Check used the Cubs

Oh, you were talking about the computer service. nvm

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn you, autocorrect

heh. Glad your bag arrived. Enjoy the sun and, of course, the Cubs!

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by Emelie on Mar 23, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

SPELL CHECK

is a righter’s worst enema.

by BAMACOLONEL on Mar 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

"The brass apparently wants Silva to still have a shot at the rotation"

Who’s part of this decision besides Hendry? To even consider Silva for the back end of the rotation nullifies in my opinion the trade that was made to acquire him.

I understand the want and desire to get at least a little value for the money Silva is getting paid, but if the return on investment starts to go into the red then it’s smarter in some cases to cut bait.
 
If what your saying is true Al, then how can we believe Ricketts when he says all he wants to do is win the world series. We as fans see it’s obvious that Cashner has won the job. We know for a fact that Castillo has beaten out Hill. We know Moore has outplayed Baker and DeWitt, but that means nothing to this organization.

by troutfishin on Mar 22, 2011 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

You know you're probably right...

..after all, Hendry is still the GM and we have a new manager that know how to have fun with the media. All is well.

by troutfishin on Mar 22, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're a baaaaaaad team

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by BoVandy on Mar 22, 2011 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least if our record is bad enough,

When we sign a FA iB, we won’t lose a pick for it.

by timh815 on Mar 22, 2011 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You seem so calm and non-combative...

Anger management?

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by Easy Ed on Mar 22, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al has convinced me.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 22, 2011 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bless you, my child...

Nah…screw that…you need to go back to your old ways. It keeps the scales balanced.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Baker is doing pretty well.

I think he’s definitely earned the right to start against all lefties.

I also think Moore should move into the roster spot Baker filled last year.

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by D98 on Mar 22, 2011 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know every spring you might have a guy...

…in your minor league system that out plays one of your star players. When that happens no one goes out of their way to suggest that the star player should be traded to make room for the rookie(unless the rookie is a top prospect phenom, of course). What we are talking about are marginal major league baseball players, Hill, DeWitt, Baker, Silva. Not one of them should be above having to compete for a job. I agree with you about Baker but Moore has shown that he could be a bright spot in what will probably be a pretty dismal season.

by troutfishin on Mar 22, 2011 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I agree with the assessment.

And I certainly don’t have anything to say about Hill, DeWitt, or Silva.

I just think that Baker has one well-above-average talent (hitting v. LHP), and he’s having a nice spring, and I also don’t think Moore is the kind of player, at this point in his career, that you just give a fulltime job and give up on what Baker can contribute v. LHP. Moreover, if Moore is actually going to contribute at the MLB level this year, it would probably help to ease him in via a platoon role.

If Moore can, at 27, finally turn into some fraction of the player that people thought he was going to become out of highschool, he could be a fine option as a platoon partner.

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by D98 on Mar 22, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we relax on the Silva decision

Assuming they can’t ship him off to another team, the WORST case scenario is that we send him out for a regular season start or two as the #5 guy and he bombs. Does anyone think we are going to stick with a guy who clocks an 8 ERA for 30 starts? The guy might get 2 starts to prove he is functional, so that is the maximum damage here. If he doesn’t work can try others. I’m not advocating for Silva in any way, but I am saying that whatever decision is made on him will not make or break the season.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 23, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken,

As an aside though, take a look at the number of divisions (or even wild-card races) over the last few years that come down to a few games. Competitive franchise take those couple of starts very seriously, as they should.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 23, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damen, totally agree

Certainly April games are as important as September games, but the BCB rhetoric seems to imply some permanence in commitment to the guy just because he makes the start of season rotation. The guy has been horrid, but frankly none of the #5 candidates particularly enthuse me.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 23, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone think we are going to stick with a guy who clocks an 8 ERA for 30 starts?

Why even START the season with a guy like that?

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder what Quade and management 'really' talked about today...

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by Cubbiegoon on Mar 22, 2011 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

rumor is...

they were discussing the Rebecca Black “Friday Video”…and narwhals.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Mar 22, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

...

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 23, 2011 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow, you sure dug that one out. How could you remember such a comment?

amazing memory, BM

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by holy mackeral on Mar 22, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well.

In 2007, Lou Piniella was a manager who seemed interested in shaping his team and working with players.

The 2010 version, not so much. Maybe I should have qualified it by saying “Can you imagine the 2010 version of Lou Piniella having a session like that?”

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

excellent point on the effect of field management

Piniella was never the same after 2008, whatever the reason he wasn’t and his mindset and attitude carried over as is the case regarding any organization be it sports or business….field managers make decisions and their attitude and how they make those decisions have a direct effect on those subjected to them.

Quade is different. This will be the first big decision event, which players make the 25-man roster and why. There is something about the dynamic between earning positions on a team based on performance and keeping players who have exceptional talent but haven’t performed…versus age and money factors….

Nothing is simple or straight-forward.

If Quade loses on Castillo vs. Hill (if that is his cause) it will have an effect (IMHO) or between DeWitt and Moore or Johnson vs. Perez or what to do with Silva….etc….

Hendry should/will allow Quade to win some of these but money talks….$800K probably not (that is a difference of $400K) but $8M is a big hit that Hendry will have to take to Ricketts…whether it is April 1st, May 1st or June 1st.

Opinions aside it will be interesting to watch…furthermore I recall what Dallas Green did when he saw that his version was dead in the water…he made a big trade and instantly got attitude and competitiveness.

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 23, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

He'll always have Jim's back, at least.

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 22, 2011 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

We all should !!!!!

He is an amazing GM!!!!

Look how he is fighting to keep his pets, Silva, Shark, and Hill on the field!!!!

What loyalty!!!!!! That is much more important than the team!!!

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with the Lou bashing. I think he did a remarkably poor job the last two seasons

But yes, Al’s quest to prove how different things are now does seem a bit silly when put into perspective.

Things seem quite a bit the same, and maybe that will finally convince Al that the real problem lies with the GM and owner.

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by BoVandy on Mar 23, 2011 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 23, 2011 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't blame things on the owner!!!

He was in Africa for a month during the season! How can he be blamed!

I know if I bought a MLB team, the first thing I would do during my first season would be to take a month long safari!!!!

He is a true Cub fan!!! He told us himself!!!

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually,

Piniella (as most managers do) frequently did the same. It’s sort of standard fare during the pre-game Q&A where the beat writers are told to turn off the damn recorders, and they get the good background. That’s usually the sort of stuff you see in the paper as writer speculation, but often it’s been given to them unofficially. I saw it personally three times last season alone. Piniella was actually usually personable and sometimes charming, especially when there wasn’t a camera in his face (he’d always scowl when I took his picture, for instance).

But that Perez guy, Al? As I said; cringe inducing.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 23, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perez will probably be sent to Iowa.

Like I said, he could be a useful pinch-runner as a September callup.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess... if we're "running" Quade out of town by then. LOL.

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by SackMan on Mar 23, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

A friend told me the final score of today's game

And said we blew it late. My initial response: did spellcheck fail to close the game? Bwahahah

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by SackMan on Mar 23, 2011 12:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually, we came back late.

Shark channeled himself. KH had no hits. This time, due to not playing.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

why

cant this team score runs? is it gonna be a repeat of last year where the team struggles to score while wasting a ton of good pitching? i hope not because it will be a long wasted season.

by NOMAR on Mar 23, 2011 5:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Because they employ too many mediocre MLB hitters?

There has been an awful lot of poor decision making by this franchise. And as we’ve said for years, they employ no elite offensive players. That may, or may not, change as the current contracts expire (and as Starlin enters his prime).

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by D98 on Mar 23, 2011 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

People still seem surprised that this team is performing (so far in ST)

just like they did last year. I’ve been saying it all along—it’s practically the same team! In terms of offense, it hasn’t improved. They replaced Pena with Lee essentially. I’m not exactly sure what we are expecting from this offense.

by mic on Mar 23, 2011 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

I was thinking about this on the way into work today – Hill would be an ok choice if we had a much better lineup where we had an elite and an above average hitter for the 3 and 4 slots, a decent leadoff option and only half the team needed platoon partners.

Unfortunately this season relies far too heavily on 4 guys (Soriano, Pena, Ramirez and Soto) returning to previous years production levels, 2 guys who need to avoid sophmore slumps and 3 guys (Baker, Fukudome and Hill) who provide black holes in the lineup more often than not.

I still think we have a shot at contention with the multiple injuries in the NL central but its going to be interesting come the trade deadline

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's very frustrating that for our payroll

We have no elite offensive player on our team. When your payroll is a top 5 in MLB, you better have an MVP candidate in your lineup.

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by SackMan on Mar 23, 2011 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

On the whole...

how aggressive has DeJesus been so far? On a scale of 1 to Waving Wendall?

by kanderber on Mar 23, 2011 7:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually, he hasn't been that bad.

This one was one of the only ones I can remember.

It seemed particularly bad because it was in the first inning of a scoreless tie.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I vote

for Barney as the starting second baseman. You can have a nice DP combo with Castro. This should provide a nice consistent middle infield. As for Baker, Dewitt, Hill, Perez and Silva, cut them all loose.

Is it April yet?

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2011 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I

am not a fan of his. But I guess due to lack of IF back up and he does wallop LH pitchers, I was a little harsh saying he should go.

Is it April yet?

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

he is a useful

utility player…he can play OF, 1b, 2b, 3b…as I have said before the 2011 version of DeRosa

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shoot

if he can come close to DeRosa that would be real nice. Yes at best a utility IF.

Is it April yet?

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2011 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think he is as good

but then again the 2011 team isnt as good as the 2008 team

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

and it would be a DP combo on the order of Tinker to Evers to Chance

Starlin to Darwin to Pena (we need to trade for a better named 1b)

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Starlin

to Darwin to Prince.

Is it April yet?

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Albert

which is a terrible nickname…

Ohhhh, you meant that fat guy who plays north of Wrigley…beh, unless he’s cheap enough

by hansman1982 on Mar 23, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No but I want Prince Albert in the dugout wearing Cubbie Blue!

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 23, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

I would not want to go in the bathroom after Prince Fielder after he has been in the can!

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shoot

if it is that easy to remove paint, I gots to get the Prince over to my place.

Is it April yet?

by wild bill on Mar 23, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Random question; how did Michael Burgess look in camp?

He’s another former 1st round pick we’ve managed to acquire.

Also… probably a question for Josh: What are the thoughts on Steve Clevenger? I think Bob Brenly was saying how that guy just hits everywhere he goes. Seems our organization is very deep at catcher.

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by SackMan on Mar 23, 2011 10:07 AM CDT reply actions  

AZ Phil said that Burgess came to camp overweight

So did Reggie Golden. He even went as far as to say that Golden was so out of shape, that he resembled a younger, slimmer Prince Fielder at the same age.

by RynoRooter on Mar 23, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I've heard

Michael Burgess looks….. large. They were playing him at first, because they questioned his range early in camp.

Clevenger sounds like your textbook backup. He hits LH. Pitchers like to throw to him.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I recommended you for running

a ‘fair-and-balanced’ Koyie Hill Podcast. I think you could do it.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

See Quade succumb to Hendry decision!

Get the REAL scoop why Silva will be the #5 starter on the opening day roster. Does The Shark deserve a spot? Beef, the potential meat of the offence. This and more later tonight on TJ O’Reilly Factor! Fair and Balanced!

by ubercubsfan on Mar 23, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be awesome!!!

THe opening day roster version of the TJ Factor will be coming soon!!!!

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

No curveball allowed!

I would like to get Ricketts, Hendry, and Quade in my no spin zone!!!!

Hendry’s head might explode if he had to answer questions straight…

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys! Didn't the scoop on our two fat boys. Yikes.

Not a good sign, especially for Golden. Gets drafted > deposits signing bonus check in bank > goes to sizzler and never leaves.

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by SackMan on Mar 23, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I have this figured correctly,

Roster moves with no corresponding move regarding catcher means MaxRam will be with Houston next week, no?

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep

I predice at least one HR against us.

by RynoRooter on Mar 23, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

but the pitcher

really liked the pitch he threw to Koyie Hill. Who fanned twice and went 4-3 once in the game.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't see this anywhere else, so

Maine and Berg were optioned to AAA. Wellemeyer and Guzman were sent down as well.

Also, Max Ramirez had an MRI on his wrist. Apparently an injury is the reason he is getting zero playing time.

by RynoRooter on Mar 23, 2011 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Your wrist is fine.

You’re on the DL for two weeks. Beats him starting for Houston.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

We will see Angel in the bigs this year

how long he lasts will be a rotisserie parlor game.

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 23, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

the 15-day perpetual DL to save the waiver wire...

then in mid May he will quietly pass the waivers and be the Cubs 3rd catcher in Iowa.

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by Ivy Walls on Mar 23, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So, the question is:

Are the Cubs keeping Koyie because MaxRam has been hurt, or is MaxRam “hurt” because the Cubs want an excuse to keep Koyie?

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no excuse at all to keep Hill...

Almost every catcher in their minor league system is better and cheaper….

This completely on Hendry, Ricketts, and Quade…

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

If they want Castillo to get more experience in Iowa and if MaxRam is genuinely hurt ...

I could live with Hill until MaxRam is healthy.

However, I think we’d both agree that MaxRam’s injury is probably an excuse to keep Hill — or that the ‘injury’ is a way for the Cubs to keep Hill without waiving MaxRam.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

You need to get down with shades of grey, TJ.

MaxRam might not be getting screwed. He might be injured to a point where he’d make the team if Hill wasn’t there, but hurt enough to be DL’d when the team has other options.

I know — the Cubs overvalue Koyie Hill. That’s established. But it doesn’t mean they’re screwing over Ramirez.

Take a breath, TJ.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

The decision making process by the Cubs is coming into focus if it has not already....

Hill and Silva are more important to Hendry and Quade and Ricketts then the team.

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is what had to be slept on?????

Pretty easy stuff….

Does Coleman have a sore wrist as well? Is that why he isnt playing?

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's really interesting re: Maine

That almost certainly means Russell is in the bullpen, and that unless Stevens surprises people, that Shark will be there, too.

I’m beginning to think that Silva got a reprieve because the Cubs feel like Cashner will be more valuable in the pen than as the fifth starter.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is a lot of great players you just mentioned!!!

I feel like we are talking about the Phillies or Yankees!!

by TJ11 on Mar 23, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green'd.

I think at times people get too critical here because we are so familiar with the players, situations and scenarios surrounding the Cubs. “Familiarity breeds contempt”, the old saying goes.

You’re absolutely right, other teams have many of the same issues. A lot of them, in fact.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs have some issues.

What happens with the roster is more significant in that it will be our first real indication of what kind of manager Mike Quade will be and whether Jim Hendry has learned anything.

I think we’re all victims of snowball-running-down-a-Hill syndrome (I might copyright that). The Hill/Silva/Shark/second base situations have a cumulative impact, so bringing Jeff Russell to Chicago looks worse than it would in a vacuum.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

James Russell, you mean.

Who could possibly turn into a decent LOOGY.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 23, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

I think people are critical because of the lack of on-field results given what is one of the highest payrolls in MLB. With the resources that have continually been at hand, the resulting performance has been dismal.

The Phillies and Yankees, though making some questionable moves, get the benefit of the doubt because they WIN. We don’t. So as far as I’m concerned, there’s very little benefit of the doubt for this team

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

Considering the payroll last year, the team was a disaster. The payroll is still huge, and it doesn’t appear to have improved.

GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.

by shoemile on Mar 23, 2011 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the global argument.

And it has merit. But the backfill at the end of the roster might be there regardless of the big contracts that aren’t panning out. The fact that we’re spending $32 million on two decent at best corner outfielders has more to do with our lack of success than the derby between Justin Berg and Shark.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But I think its all part of the same pattern of bad talent evaluation which not only depresses the fandom over the upcoming season, but in the future as well. If a team can’t make a good decision about something as simple as a backup catcher or a fifth starter, what does that bode for the decision on the next big free agent signing?

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I agree with that.

It’s why Hill making the team isn’t as big a deal as what Hill making the team says about Quade and Hendry. Same goes for Silva, to a slightly lesser degree.

Keeping Hill means that MaxRam could be released (or ’DL’d’) and keeping Silva almost certainly means bumping Cashner back to the pen. The consequences of keeping Hill and Silva are bad or at the very least risky — and Hendry and Quade should realize that when deciding what they’re going to do.

In order of bad decisions …
1) Hill making the team (no explanation necessary)
2) Silva making the team (slightly less galling because it frees Cashner up to help in the pen)
3) DeWitt making the team (he won’t necessarily start, and I’m not sold on Scott Moore or Bobby Scales)
4) Shark making the team (he’s overpaid, but at least he has more upside than the other options)

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Even if (God forbid) Soto misses substantial playing time, Hill isn’t going to cause this to go from a 95 win team to a 79 win team. Same with Silva vs. Cashner. This is a mediocre team as it stands. Hill and Silva just make it, uh…mediocre-er.

The possibility and hope for the future lies partly in younger, or unknown quantities. Ramirez could be a valuable injury-backup, as well as last bat off the bench. Cashner could start making strides toward the top of the rotation starter. Silva and Hill are known quantities and can’t accomplish ANYTHING positive for the team as its constituted now. They are quite frankly, in the way of what should be the team’s goal – putting together a sustained, successful team.

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Also, I don’t think the upside of DeWitt and Shark will ever be much bigger than what we’ve already seen. But the chances that they’ll figure something out or get better are a helluva lot better than Hill’s or Silva’s.

And Shark and DeWitt aren’t (necessarily) blocking anyone better — though Quade’s use of DeWitt will be worth watching.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

But at least

As you say, they have a chance to turn a corner and improve. Pretty doubtful in my mind, but it could happen. Yes, DeWitt’s usage will be interesting. If Baker can start hitting righthanders back at pre-2010 levels and Barney keeps improving, there is going to be another decision to be made. What I’m keeping an eye on is how this 4 man OF rotation is going to work. I have a bad feeling that Colvin is going to get the least time of the 4. Hopefully I’m wrong.

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Colvin does get the least amount of playing time...

then, hopefully that means the other 3 are healthy and producing. If they aren’t, and the Cubs are around 10 games under .500 AND 15 games out at the AS break, then I can see either ‘Dome or/and Byrd moved at the trade deadline to a contender. So, it’s a win-win situation. Colvin’s playing time will come…eventually.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they're not producing ...

it’ll be tough to trade them. Byrd’s contract is backloaded, and Kosuek is running out of caveats.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya gotta keep raining on my parade, don't ya, el?

I believe you and I agree on one thing and one thing only…this ihas the makings to be a looooooong year.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we finish bottom ten

we don’t lose a pick for a FA.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's keeping me going:

The Cardinals aren’t that good, the Reds have Dusty and the Brewers just don’t scare me.

We’re in a division where 85 wins might be enough — and I think we could get there.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

And in the NL Central, that might be all that’s necessary.

What we really need to hope for is that the decline of the Reds happens THIS season. We know Dusty will screw things up sooner or later.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I HOPE they win 90...

because that would win the Central going away…BUT, I see them somewhere around where they were last year.

3 keys…#1…Zambrano’s composure…#2…Pena getting back his swing…#3…Quade being left alone to manage how he wants to.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait, what?

Seems like most are upset around here because the Cubs are a perennially under-performing team. People want to spend their time and energy enjoying good and competitive baseball, and most know enough about the sport to know the Cubs frequently take a path that doesn’t ensure that. That’s not about being too close to the team, that’s understanding what your eyes are seeing.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 23, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And another thing...

How do you continue still to beat on Piniella (with comments that aren’t true, no less), and say that anybody is being too critical? In the same post, no less.

And don’t get me started on Hill. Koyie just called, he said he’d like his ass back from you when he gets back to Chicago.

by Damen Jackson on Mar 23, 2011 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castillo and Colon

Both were signed as non-guaranteed deals, both are going to have to play their way on to the roster (Colon already did). Hill has done nothing to deserve his job and has played his way out of it. Those organizations are successful, the Cubs are mired in failure. I know we’re talking about the 20th spot on the roster or so, but it shows the differences between the two, not the similarities.

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by jameslcrockett on Mar 23, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, actually ...

I didn’t mention Hill in my original post. I did mention Silva, but the Yankees have had to endure bad contracts before.

I will say this: The volume of awful on the Cubs right now is bigger than the volume of awful on the Yankees or the Phillies.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

the volume of awesome on both rosters (heck in the whole organization) dwarfs the Cubs.

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by jameslcrockett on Mar 24, 2011 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

So far

It’s the only transaction news today on Cubs.com

by Tat14 on Mar 23, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am so...

sick of hearing about who our backup catcher should be. It’s the least important spot on the entire roster. There are 24 other spots. Can’t we spend more time talking about some of them?

by kanderber on Mar 23, 2011 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

How about our backup 1B?

Either MaxRam or Castillo, but definitely not Hill IMO.

Sorry man, couldn’t resist.

by Tat14 on Mar 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

It’s about time we started talking about Carlos Silva and who will be fifth starter!

j/k

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

All this bantering would just go away, if...

someone, with any sense in this organization, would realize the same things EVERYBODY else realizes and make the roster cuts that EVERYBODY else know are deserving. Hill: 100% gone. Silva: 100% gone. Shark: 100% gone. Hendry: 100% gone (crap…did I say that out loud?). It’s as plain as day and yet these guys are still in the mix. Makes ya wonder, don’t it?

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree on Shark.

Said this yesterday: I’d rather have him on the team than Berg, Stevens or Mateo. Shark still has a little potential — more than those guys, IMO.

I agree with you otherwise, though it’s pretty clear we have Hendry for another seven months, at least. But Hill and Silva should have been dumped YESTERDAY. I’m holding out hope with Hill — the buzz about Castillo has been better of late — but everything I’ve seen makes me think we’re stuck with Silva for a little while.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if nothing else, Ed ...

you and I would find something to argue about. :)

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

it’s great, ain’t it?

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh...

…but, on the Top 25 list of things wrong with this organization, I’d list that at about 18. I think Pena is gonna be a stud this year, so, the Colvin at !B thing will be few and far between…hopefully.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't so much (for me) the backup to Soto

Beef can be in Chicago in a matter of hours if Geo gets hurt. This team will be lucky to win 80 games, so losing one or two on that spot on the roster isn’t the issue.

Someone once said Sparky Anderson was a good manager, because he would beat you with his team. If you gave him your team, he’d beat you with them.

Is the front office of the Cubs willing to make the tough decisions necessary to win baseball games against teams who consider winning to be very important? If the answer is (and continues to be) no, then fans could be considered to be wasting money on their investment.

When the decisions are made, will they be wise ones? That is a very legitimate question. While our pen looks a bit top-heavy, and none of our second basemen or fifth starters have looked amazing, Max Ramirez has outplayed Koyie Hill. Giving Hill a free ride on his inability to hit (or throw runners out) is a proxy on the front office’s decision-making abilities.

I’m not sold on MaxRam being a good catcher. I am sold on Koyie Hill clogging a spot on the 40 Man, much less the 25 Man. On this, we may have to disagree.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's an interesting question for you

And I think sheds light on the lack of faith some of us have on Hendry/Quade’s decision making abilities.

Say Soto gets hurt, out for 30 days or so. Castillo is brought up to the majors. Who does Quade start? Given what we’ve seen, it should be Castillo, right? Who here truly believes that Quade will go with Castillo (or Ramirez) over Hill as the primary catcher? I honestly believe that an injury to Geo gives us Hill as the starting catcher, catching 5 times a week. That is a large part of the whole Hill uproar.

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure by how much...

…but, in that scenario, Hill’s playing time would certainly expand…and that’s a very scary thought…he’s a nice guy, tho ; ).

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by Easy Ed on Mar 23, 2011 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...

I think he’s Quade’s backup as well for laughing with the media. So there’s THAT to consider.

by John916 on Mar 23, 2011 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's the case,

I will be all for breaking out the brooms to the front office. I’m close to surrendering Wilken to let Hendry go. That would send me over the edge. Which edge? The ‘bring somebody, anybody, from Tampa Bay (who understands the importance of production) to be GM and have him bring over someone to run the Scouting as well’ edge.

This move can take place the day after the deadline for signing the draft class. If Hill plays more than a backup’s role to anybody.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say we don't have quite enough information to know for sure.

But I fear you’re right. And if you are — and this happens — Hendry will be looking for work come November.

by elgato on Mar 23, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't have to disagree...

because I pretty much agree that Hill sucks. But, again, he’s a backup catcher. And if the Cubs would rather have a guy that the staff likes and feels comfortable talking to between innings, and taking his advice on off days, etc, then what’s the harm? Seriously, it’s the backup catcher – the difference between the two on the field, overall, is meaningless.

by kanderber on Mar 23, 2011 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree iwth kanderber much, but

he/she is 100 percent correct on this one.

I wonder if any other fanbase gets into such a frenzy about who the backup catcher is. The backup bloody catcher.

Get lives, some of you.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which FA 1B should we sign?

The one with the best OPS? The one with the best long-term outlook?

I was thinking the one that the infielders like throwing the ball to between innings.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Koyie Hill is being kept because the pitchers like him

If it were because he had a cannon arm or hit reasonably well, that would be a good reason.

A first baseman should be determined on how he will help the team win. Clubhouse leadership is fine, as it helps with winning games. Ancillary stuff (nice guy, gives a good interview, helps at the soup kitchen) shouldn’t matter unless other things are even.

A backup catcher ought to have a way he helps the team win. Between the lines. Castillo has shown the ability to hit. Max Ramirez may (if healthy) hit fairly well. KH is a waste of a roster spot if he can’t hit over .100 or throw out 1/3 of the base stealers he faces.

Until management makes the tough decisions on easy things well, why would we think they would get it right on the tough choices on the harder calls?

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do the pitchers like him?

Maybe that helps them win games. I don’t know, but the amount of time and venom spent on the 24th or 25th guy on the roster is beyond pathetic.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Similarly

the willingness to accept players who don’t produce is partly why the Cubs haven’t had a good centerfielder in fifty years.

by timh815 on Mar 23, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, I'm not sure

what that has to do with a backup catcher. Nothing, probably.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 23, 2011 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

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