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Rockies 6, Cubs 4: Not Much Of A Tune-Up

MESA, Arizona -- You'd barely have known that it's only five days until Opening Day, from the Cubs' 6-4 loss to the Rockies on a sunny, pleasant day in Mesa. The loss eliminates any chance the Cubs could have a winning spring; they're 14-17 with two games left.

Brett Jackson and Bryan LaHair, two guys who will be starting at Iowa, were in the starting lineup and the rest of the regulars departed in the eighth inning in favor of other people from the minor league camp, not players who will be on the Cubs bench this year (save Koyie Hill, who struck out again and is now 1-for-29 -- .034 -- this spring). Without a way to get into the head of Mike Quade, isn't it about time that the regulars started playing full games? Or that bench players who are going to serve certain roles during the regular season start getting into those roles? It would have been useful, for example, to see Tyler Colvin get some more time at first base today instead of having LaHair there.

Further, Ryan Dempster had kind of a messy start; he threw only four innings, giving up three runs and issuing a pair of walks. A couple of the runs might not have scored if Jackson had turned the right way on fly balls. He seemed a bit tentative in center field; hope this isn't a sign of things to come. On the other hand, the Cubs might have scored some more runs early in the game, but for some outstanding catches in center by Rockies CF Dexter Fowler.

Star-divide

James Russell replaced Dempster and had two good innings and then got touched for a pair of runs, one of which scored when Alfonso Soriano missed a diving catch in left field. He made up for it later in the inning by throwing out Jonathan Herrera trying to take third base from first on a single by Jason Botts, who had replaced Carlos Gonzalez in left field. Some fans on the LF berm, not knowing who he was, started chanting his uniform number: "For-ty-sev-en! For-ty-sev-en!" and Botts turned around and waved at them. That's the intimacy between players and fans that I like in spring training.

The Cubs were pretty well shut down by Rockies pitchers all day, until Billy Buckner (no relation to the former Cub) came in to face a mostly sub lineup in the eighth inning. He loaded the bases on a single and a pair of walks and Tyler Colvin laced a ball down the RF line, into the stands foul, to groans from the crowd. Those groans turned to cheers when Colvin hit Buckner's next pitch over the bullpen for a grand slam. Carlos Marmol kept it close with an efficient ninth -- he came in to applause nearly as loud as the cheers for Kerry Wood the other day -- but the Cubs couldn't score, despite getting the tying run to the plate.

I'm done talking about the Carlos Silva incidents and release. He's gone. It ends a bad era in Cubs history started by the signing of [name redacted]. It's time to move on, and the team is better without him. As noted earlier, the lesson Jim Hendry must learn is not to make these types of signings in the first place.

Attendance today was 11,318; the Cubs' season total is 149,218 and average for 16 dates is 9,326, down quite a bit from last year. There is one home Cactus League game remaining, Tuesday against the Diamondbacks -- the Wednesday intrasquad charity game attendance doesn't count in the Cactus League total, and from what I hear, that game may be played in front of a very small crowd. Few people I talked to today, many of whom are Cactus League regulars, plan to be at that game, which starts at 11 a.m. MST (1 p.m. CDT) in order for the Cubs to get their flight to Chicago at a reasonable hour.

I won't be at that game either; today was my final game in Arizona for this spring. I'm leaving tomorrow morning to drive back to Chicago, so the game previews likely won't have starting lineups in them. I'll try to tweet them from stops on the way. Carlos Zambrano gets the start tomorrow against the Indians in Goodyear; Carlos Carrasco will start for the Tribe. The game will be back on MLB.com with Len Kasper and Mick Gillispie.

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Al, firstly,

Let me say I have appreciated your reports from Arizona, and I wish you safe travels back to Chicago.

Secondly, Friday can’t come quickly enough. I keep thinking to myself, counting down the days until the opener at Wrigley.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 27, 2011 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the compliment.

I’m right with you regarding Friday. Excited for Opening Day.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I take it you live in Iowa, then.

;-)

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 27, 2011 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You know...

… the Cubs surprised many here by keeping Cashner for the rotation and releasing Silva.

Maybe they’ll surprise us again.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt it....

There is not one reason to keep Hill…..

Robinson
Max
Clevenger
Beef

are all better. They are not all going to get everyday playing time in AAA….
Want Beef to play everyday, fine. Then pick one of the 3 others who could have played for the minimum…

by TJ11 on Mar 27, 2011 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still not sure they've made their decision

Why else are Beef & MaxRam still with the MLB team? I keep hoping the right decision is made.

I have PMS & a GPS -- which means -- I am a bitch, and I will find you.

by cub in louies nest on Mar 27, 2011 9:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you're right...

…Quade is going to have to realize that this team is going to have to manufacture runs and taking a bat out of the lineup to give Hill a start would be a huge mistake. It would be the equivalent of taking Marmol (former catcher) and giving him a start behind the plate once or twice a week

by troutfishin on Mar 27, 2011 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just as unhappy about the Hill extension as anybody.

And I don’t think he has any place on this team.

But I go into every season knowing our backup catcher (whoever he may be) will have many late inning at-bats. And he will strikeout every time.

by mic on Mar 28, 2011 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Jim Hendry must learn is not to make these types of signings in the first place."

What’s that old saying “it’s hard to teach an old dog new tricks”.

There is no excuse for this drawn out debacle.

by troutfishin on Mar 27, 2011 6:41 PM CDT reply actions  

On this, I agree.

This debacle was an enormous mistake by all involved. However, it’s now done. The answer is “move on and learn the lesson.” Only time will tell if the lesson is learned or not.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

If only Ricketts was a little like John Henry we...

…wouldn’t be talking waiting to see if lessons are learned. If we had a baseball like Larry Luchino this wouldn’t even be a topic of discussion.

by troutfishin on Mar 27, 2011 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Hill "controversy" makes for interesting discussion, however...

…Quade/Hendry will all but be forced to make a decision if Hill goes 1 for 29 when the regular season bell rings and the games count. It will be fun to follow Q and see if/when/how he makes the big roster/playing time decisions.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Mar 27, 2011 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

At what point in the season do you think Hill will have 29 ABs?

I’m guessing at least 6 weeks.

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Mar 28, 2011 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which means he could be gone by mid-May - start the countdown!

Or he’ll be hitting .413 with three game-winning HR’s for all we know…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Mar 28, 2011 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

No.

We know he won’t do that.

by mic on Mar 28, 2011 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're right.

But it’s fun to dream….

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the reports from the desert, Al

and safe travels home. I’m sure you’ll be listening to XM all the way back to Chicago to hear the latest on “Backup Catcher-gate.” :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 27, 2011 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I second that ....

Great reports from the Valley Al. I also cant wait for Friday to get here . A new year and maybe something to get excited about !!

by cubs north on Mar 27, 2011 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks to all.

It was a nice trip with great weather (except for one day of rain) and some improving baseball. Let’s get excited. Opening Day is nearly here!

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't you glad Al

you can look forward to coming back to Arizona for years to come instead of moving the Cubs to Florida? I loved my week in the sun….thanks for all the reports, drive safe and have your coat ready. It’s cold in the Midwest.

We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.

by mrcubsfan on Mar 27, 2011 8:49 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Brrr.

Thanks.

Yes, I enjoy AZ spring training. It’s the best place to have it, for any number of reasons.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excited for opening day

Never matters to me how the team looks before the season starts, opening day is the most exciting day of the year for me. You never know what might happen and hope does truly spring eternal. In fact, I’m probably going to burn some accumulated comp time at work on Friday so I can stay home and watch the first game of the season.

by qccub on Mar 27, 2011 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope they're prepared to start the season

Because last year’s opening day was a disaster.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 27, 2011 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last year was last year. No sense worrying about it. It's in the past.

There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?

by Zeke on Mar 27, 2011 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

You've got to put your behind in your past.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

State high point count: 3/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 27, 2011 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone got a hold of this.

I don’t know what in the world happened, this should be a picture of Pumbaa from “The Lion King”.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

State high point count: 3/50

If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Mar 28, 2011 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was last year

This is a new year; quite frankly, I washed the stench of last season away a few days after the season was over. Everything is new and exciting for me this time of year. I get as frustrated as anyone when they are playing poorly, but even in the midst of the worst seasons I still look forward to each individual game and savor every victory, even if they’re in last place. I just can’t have a negative outlook on opening day. The 1986 Minnesota Twins went 71-91. The 1987 Twins won the World Series. Who saw that coming? The 2002 Cubs were 67-95; the 2003 Cubs won the NL Central and made it to game 7 of the NLCS (oh the painful memories). Anything can happen.

by qccub on Mar 27, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't want to see another set of wasted games against

the Pirates. For some unknown reason they gave us some trouble last year.

by alabamacubbie on Mar 27, 2011 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs were 5-10 vs. the Pirates in 2010.

That’s after going 32-15 against them in 2008/2009.

If the Cubs had gone 10-5 vs. Pittsburgh last year — something that could maybe have been projected a year ago — they’d have been a .500 team.

So, taking the opening series would be a good start to 2011.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a weird stat

Like the year the Tigers lost 119 games; I think they were close to .500 against the White Sox. If the White Sox beat up on them the way everybody else did, they might have won the division that season.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 28, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

In fact...

… the 2003 Tigers went 8-11 against the White Sox. They didn’t win more than five against anyone else.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 28, 2011 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really have enjoyed ST analysis and news

on your part Al. You’ve got one hell of a job and I know at times it can probably be difficult, but I appreciated the ST coverage this year!

by alabamacubbie on Mar 27, 2011 10:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

the carlos silva era

didnt end today because jim hendry is still here

by Roman the greek on Mar 27, 2011 10:32 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Wait, what?

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by Al Yellon on Mar 27, 2011 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

By that logic

We’re still in the Ted Lilly era, right?

by Danwood on Mar 28, 2011 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually by that logic

we just started the Dusty Baker Era all over because we brought Woody back.

"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson

by epsilon on Mar 28, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Mar 28, 2011 4:03 AM CDT reply actions  

(reply fail)

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Mar 28, 2011 4:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

So ...

I’ve been moving into a condo since Friday. What did I miss? :)

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 8:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Dude, hawk ...

check out the predictions I made last week, http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/3/21/2064220/roster-decisions-coming-soon#61987527.

Other than Russell instead of Maine, I’m hitting my spots!

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me or for this roster to work does it not require

Ramirez and Pena, two guys with recent injury histories, to play 150+ games? Colvin I’m sure will come along at 1B and supposedly the three headed 2B monster can all fill in at 3B but it seems that keeping all of these 2B and not finding a competent corner IF guy this winter could end up as a problem. Baker had 7 errors in 23 games started last year at 3B, Dewitt played only one game at 3B last year (he made 2 errors in that game). I mean this really is a potential recipe for problems to a defense that is already weak defensively.

Alberto Gonzalez is apparently available from the Nationals. The guy is another uber utility guy but he is more competent at 3B and can also play 3B. Might be a good add for the Cubs.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 28, 2011 8:17 AM CDT reply actions  

You're spot on

On offense, this team requires a huge chunk of RBIs from Ramirez and Pena to have any chance at the postseason.

 

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Pena should platoon with Baker at 1b....

Why should Barney have to sit when facing a LHP. He is right handed too….

Pena looks like Fukudome vs LHP….

by TJ11 on Mar 28, 2011 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to see that as well.

We know Baker’s strength is hitting lefties. And Colvin can stay in that lineup in RF.

Then it also gives you flexibility in the second half of the game, when the bullpen arrives. Pena can come in off the bench vs a righty. In close games, Colvin can shift to LF for Soriano to improve defense, while Dome comes off the bench to play RF.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would have liked to have seen Cubs invite someone like Eric Chavez to ST.

looks like he’s gonna make the Yankees roster.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 28, 2011 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chavez could have been interesting if he's healthy

It is almost as if Hendry thinks this is an AL team given the lack of depth at 1B and 3B and thinking some guys could take a spell at DH if they need an ‘injury’ break to not play the field once and a while which would prob benefit guys like Pena and Ramirez. I don’t get how you can carry 3 2B on this team and not have a viable backup at 1B or 3B – 2 positions with guys that have recent injury issues.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 28, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Barney is the backup at SS, too

But, yeah, the lack of backup at 3B is a real issue. If they keep MaxRam, he could be a vialbe backup at 1B, but……….

by ClarkFan on Mar 28, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Ramirez gets hurt again, they are toast

Maybe Smith could come up and surprise, but there is no one to fill 3B on the major league roster.

by ClarkFan on Mar 28, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Blake DeWitt has played 3rd base for 5+ years in the minors and MLB.

I don’t know why you think we don’t have a backup 3B.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon regarding DeWitt

Dewitt has started 6 games over the past 2 years at 3B, not to mention he has 3 errors in those 6 starts. Baker had 7 errors in 23 games started at 3B last year; don’t have to do the math and project that out over full season but needless to say it ain’t good.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Mar 28, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Given DeWitt's recent performance, they don't have a GOOD backup at 3B

And Baker is already part of the plan at 2B and has struggled at 3B, not to mention against RHP. So I stick by my lead line – if Ramirez goes down again, the Cubs are toast. Just like last year and 2009.

by ClarkFan on Mar 28, 2011 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's arguably our best offensive player.

Most teams would be toast if they lost their best offensive player. And the Cubs are a mid-tier team at best.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but his actual production levels are ones a top-tier team could work around

It isn’t like the Cards losing Pujols. But, as you said, that is a sign of mid-tier at best…..

by ClarkFan on Mar 28, 2011 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to replace your best offensive player with a backup 3B

ON ANY TEAM.

Backups are backups for a reason. And although 3B is expected to be an RBI position in the lineup, there are fewer top RBI guys at that position than all of the other major power positions in MLB. Making it even more difficult to replace top run production from that position.

Last year, there were:
21 outfielders with 85+ RBI
14 first basemen with 85+ RBI
9 third basemen with 85+ RBI

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, not that I disagree with your concept.

But aren’t there three times as many outfielders as there are third basemen?

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes... but that's still 3 spots in your lineup.

So, it still illustrates the same point… there are fewer 3B who will drive in 85+ runs than there are 1B, and OF.

If you have to replace run production at one of those positions, it’s easier to do it in the OF, and at 1B.

So, if you’re relying on your 3B to lead the team in RBI, you are one injury away from a huge drop off.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now I see that the tribs article today says that Quade is saying all decisions are made by Hendry....

He also said Silva was not good enough to make the team,……So he did not….

Ok, good. So then on the subject of Hill??

Same problem. Does he get to make the team because he is not a jerk like Silva?

Or was Silva released because he got on his buddy Riggins?

by TJ11 on Mar 28, 2011 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually I think this is an extrememly fair and reasonable question for anyone in the media to ask Quade/Hendry.

Cubs brass were quite emphatic that performance (or lack thereof) was the reason Silva did not make the team – his less-than-graceful exit was just after-the-fact icing on the cake.

So, to paraphrase BLou, if performance is king, how does Hill even sniff the final roster, assuming MaxRam is healthy.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 28, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the extreme-cynic thing to say ...

is that the Cubs are laying groundwork for a Ramirez “injury.”

Whatever. I can live with Hill on the team now that Silva is gone and IF Ramirez doesn’t get waived.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Ramirez "injury" and a DL stint would be the smart thing to do

maintains flexibility and keeps all options open for another couple weeks. But after that…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 28, 2011 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, unless I'm mistaken ...

a player doesn’t have to come off the 15-day in 15 days. Am I wrong?

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

True, although I'd have to think there are some kind of limits involved.

If not, seems ripe for excessive (i.e. over and above what’s already being done) manipulation, especially w.r.t. Rule 5 stuff.

I do know teams only have a certain number of 15-day DL slots to use (2? 3?). If those are full and somebody new gets hurt, I think they have to shift somebody over to the 60 day.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 28, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're right.

Also, you figure Ramirez would start to complain, and could file a grievance.

The sad thing is that there’s no reason to think Hill will hit better starting Friday. A pitcher might do better once he leaves Arizona.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

1-29 = .034...

that’s all that needs to be said about Hill. It’s not like he’s a rookie and eventually he’ll figure it out…ain’t gonna happen. He’s gonna cost this team games with his lack of offense. If this team DOES contend, they’ll be doing it by the skin of their asses, and losing games because you have an incompetent hitter in the lineup who shouldn’t be there in the first place is absurd. You go north with your best 25…not your best 24 and everybody’s buddy. Him making this squad is beyond stupid.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's beyond stupid if we lose MaxRam.

It’s stupid if Hill makes the team and we keep MaxRam.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's 1-29 against a lot of pitchers who will be in AA or AA.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder...

…if the pitcher who gave up that ONE hit has to wear some sort of scarlet letter for the rest of the year or somethin’? Or, until he gets his NEXT hit and then passes it off to THAT pitcher.

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by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorta OT but

Anyone play fantasy baseball? Well if you read espn they got Colvin hitting 40 homers this year possibly! They talk him up huge and say "hopefully the Cubs get smart and start this kid daily. Then we have Soriano: did anyone else hope he was hurt when he “dove” for that ball and looked like a fish out of water? Finally we have Fukedome:great obp so I guess his ba is forgiven? In conclusion, I just hope Colvin gets a regular spot and dominates like he can!

by bleedinblue76 on Mar 28, 2011 8:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I've been absent for a couple days ...

so forgive me if this point has been made. But the decision to cut ties with Silva really makes me think more highly of Quade. Even if we keep Koyie Hill.

Here’s why: Quade, by his own admission, got Hendry to dump a pitcher who is making close to $10 million (there seems to be some dispute over just how much, but whatever). There’s just no way our GM isn’t on the hot seat, and our new owners are cutting payroll and are clearly budget-minded. Releasing Silva makes Hendry look terrible — reopens the MB would, etc. — and Quade apparently got Hendry to make the move.

I continue to be amazed at the bullish comments about Silva — who made all of three starts after last year’s ASB and who got absolutely shelled in all but one ST start. Did I see somebody yesterday (Jessica?) say he would sign with the Cardinals and win a bunch of games? The guy wasn’t that good to begin with, he came to camp out of shape and he clearly could have become a clubhouse nuisance. Sure, he behaved himself in 2010, but he was a problem this spring and with Seattle. Plus, if we had kept him, he would have blocked a young pitcher with upside. I thought we were all for developing from within … ?

As for Hill, I want him off the roster, too. But the Cubs clearly value his play-calling skills. If the Cubs can find a way to keep Ramirez and get Castillo his starts in Iowa … Hill’s horrible bat might be negated by his intangibles.

Yeah, I doubt it, too. But we’re rid of Silva. That took some guts and some balls. At this point, I’ll give Quade the benefit of the doubt on Hill … for a little while, anyway.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

As far as the Silva release and the budget, etc.

It’s a fixed cost either way… no matter if you’re keeping him on the roster, or parting ways with him. So from an owner’s perspective, I don’t think it should impact the view of Hendry. A decision was made to improve the team’s performance. And, it was clear that trade efforts were made to try and lesson the cost.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the logical argument.

But no GM looks good when he has to pay a guy $7.5 million (maybe more) for sitting at home.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's case to case argument.

In this case… the major error was the signing of MB. In efforts to reduce the pain of that error and fixed cost, they dealt for Silva. They got a decent on-field performance in 2010 for that cost, as opposed to getting zero performance from MB.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where they really missed the boat, was

Not trying to trade high on Silva before the ASB last year, when they could’ve gotten out from the entire contract.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking about that ...

when did Silva go down? The Cubs might have still been entertaining thoughts of getting back into the race, and Silva had been one of their best pitchers in April and May.

I still doubt any team would have taken the entire contract — unless the Cubs took somebody like Luis Castillo in return. But you’re right. Opportunity wasted.

Ricketts would have to look at the Bradley-Silva series in combination. And the fact, as you said, Hendry could have tried to trade Silva around last year’s ASB and gotten SOMETHING back.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You assume they didn't

It isn’t like selling a house where you plop a For Sale sign in the front yard. Plus, 3 months do not unmake the past several seasons, which would make moving not much easier than it was this spring.

by Danwood on Mar 28, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes... I assume they didn't

Because baseball reporters these days are on top of every possibility and rumor out there. If talks happen… it eventually gets found out.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Mar 28, 2011 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is that really accurate?

If I recall, no one had Cliff Lee going to the Phillies this year.

I have got to imagine that Hendry did everything he could to trade Silva when he was going good.

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by TheRiot Police on Mar 28, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure -- but consider when Silva pitched well.

Silva won eight games in a row from April 16 to June 7. As is often pointed out around here, very few players are traded before June, and the Cubs were five games under after Silva’s win in Pittsburgh on June 7.

No GM is going to trade a good pitcher when the team is only five games out in the first week of June. I don’t blame Hendry for hanging onto Silva up until that point. It’s what happened next …

Silva pitched OK for the rest of June and into July, but the offense and the rest of the team were crumbling. After Silva won in Phoenix on July 6, the Cubs were 10 games under .500. I definitely have the benefit of hindsight, but Hendry probably should have acted then to deal Silva.

Silva followed that stretch with two ugly efforts and one five-inning win on July 26. For a guy with an injury history, who was just terrible for two years in Seattle and who has a HUGE contract, that probably killed his trade value. Silva only appeared in two more games the rest of the season.

Long way of saving that around the July 31 deadline, and certainly around the Aug. 31 deadline, Silva had little to no trade value. Hendry could have looked brilliant by dealing him in early July or late June. Maybe he tried, maybe he was asking for too much, timing certainly worked against him.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a new kid on the BCB block

I want to say, thanks to Al for the coverage from AZ and to all the comments from Cubs fan that have helped me make it through another long winter.

Can’t wait until Friday!

by JG23 on Mar 28, 2011 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

quade's comments on the silva release

here’s the link to the story

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6263903

what I liked were his comments when asked about silva

“People need to know, whether he was upset with Riggs or whatever, everyone needs to know that this was my call,” Quade said. "It wasn’t Jim Hendry’s. If [Silva wants] to be irritated with somebody, this is on me, OK. It was my decision, complete and totally.

“I was really disappointed when I heard [Silva’s comments]. First of all, he’s dead f—-ing wrong, OK, about my pitching coach. And I have no f—-ing time for that.”

Quade continued to admonish the former Cubs pitcher.

“Respect is a two-way street,” he said. “I don’t want to hear anything about respect. If you ain’t giving it, you ain’t getting it.”

Win or Lose, you have to respect the man because he’s willing to make a decision and stick to it and take responsibility for his actions. I just gained a lot of respect for him

by nmcubsfan on Mar 28, 2011 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

Meh...

if it was his call then why pass the buck onto someone else to tell the player? I’m glad Silva’s gone, but, Quade blew it.

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHAT?

He blew it because he made the right decision and had Riggins deliver the news to Silva?

Good lord — who cares? Quade could have delivered the news to Silva with a singing telegram and I would have been happy.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep...

he wanted this job and part of this job is delivering bad news to players about their futures. He side stepped it. Not arguing the fact that Silva had it coming, but, a manager isn’t gonna gain much respect if he’s sending others to do his dirty work.

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously, Ed ...

if you’re finding fault in THAT you need to be less critical. I’m not giving Quade props for how the news was delivered. I’m saying the delivery method is less than meaningless.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I disagree...

the delivery method is the entire problem. He sent a guy…Riggins…who’s been a coach for about 10 minutes (exaggeration) to tell a veteran pitcher that he’s no longer wanted on this team. Kind of a candy ass way of handling it, IMO. Quade needs to grow a set. If he’s gonna hide from confrontations then these prima donnas will chew him up and spit him out.

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do we have any reason to believe ...

that Quade was hiding/passing the buck? For all we know, he had other obligations and Riggins could get the info to Silva sooner.

You can’t just assume that Quade needs to grow a set without all the facts.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your department manager decides to fire you

do you honestly think he/she is going to come down personally and fire you? Nope, your going to get the shift supervisor or some other manager to do it. this happens all the time, and no one ever says anything about it.

.

by nmcubsfan on Mar 28, 2011 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you think Quade is?

He’s the supervisor. He’s nothing more than a factory supervisor…just in a different scenario. He has a crew under him. That crew is the players he’s managing.

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really doesn't matter.

It doesn’t even sound like Silva’s pissed that Quade didn’t deliver the news. He’s pissed that he didn’t make the team and that Riggins was somehow inconsistent.

As for the Cubs’ reputation among players, don’t you think other players will realize that the Cubs were dealing with a guy who’s had repeated clubhouse problems, who came to camp overweight after having heart issues and who was the guy the Mariners were so happy to be rid of that they took Milton Bradley AND gave the Cubs several million dollars?

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right...

Again…I’m not arguing the release of Silva. Silva’s pissed that Riggins stuttered and stammered around the fact that Silva was off the team. Silva spoke out on it. Quade defended Riggins. Quade shoulda never put Riggins in that situation…period. But, what’s done is done. Hopefully a lesson learned.

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok...

wrong choice of words. How about “beat around the bush”…better?

"The trouble is not that players have sex the night before a game. It's that they stay out all night looking for it." - Casey Stengal

by Easy Ed on Mar 28, 2011 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

The decision was right and that’s what was important. How it was delivered makes very little difference. Seriously, Silva had to see the writing on the wall, this couldn’t have been a huge surprise. I give Quade a lot of props for how he’s handled things this ST.

by JG23 on Mar 28, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quade made the right personnel decision.

Whether he should have talked to Silva personally is meaningless. It’s not a pro or a con, IMO.

by elgato on Mar 28, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

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