Steve Rosenbloom Hits It On The Freaking Head Re: Silva
I knew Silva wasn't good in the second half last year, I didn't know he was 11.12 ERA bad. It's amazing, considering his history of horrific pitching that he's competing for a spot on this roster.
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Is there anything you like about this team? I’m not being snarky I’m being curious.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Which is fine
If you don’t like them and still want to spend time discussing them is ones own choice. I’m not saying he shouldn’t post his opinions or that they are of less value.
I’m sincerely just curious if he does like anything or not.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
I like Soto, I think Starlin has upside, I think Dempster is a solid #2
I think Marmol has a chance to be a very good closer. I like Marshall, I like Garza (though I don’t like how we got him, he’s a good pitcher) I like Colvin though I’m a bit worried he’s going to turn out to be a flash in the pan, I like Byrd (though I’d like him more if he was our fifth outfielder instead of a starter) I like Aram when he’s hitting.
But honestly? I don’t see a ton to like. I think our GM is bad at his job, I think the team is very poorly constructed and I think the jury is very much out on whether Quade was the right choice. The jury is still also VERY out on whether or not the Ricketts are going to make the situation better or worse.
I have been and will always be a Cubs fan, but IMO there is a lot to dislike in this particular iteration of the franchise.
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Thanks
I expected crickets not a response :)
I wasn’t sure if you were one of those people on the net who after the Cubs win a WS would post that night why they won’t again. LOL
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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
If the Cubs win the World Series I will immediately announce I was wrong
This team aint gonna do it though.
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If the Cubs lose fewer than 100 games you should announce you were wrong
given your opinion of the team.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 4, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Interesting, since i never said they were going to lose 100 games.
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Well as far as I can tell you are convinced it is a horrible
team, worse than last year so I guessed 100 but feel free to correct that with the actual record you think the Cubs will have.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 5, 2011 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see where jettisoning
Silva in the first week of March does any good. If he’s horrible his next few starts, then maybe. He ‘could’ turn it around and be an adequate fifth starter. He could be tradable (for a guy who has failed at the Rookie League for successive years).
I’m not that crazy about Casey Coleman (or Braden Looper, or anyone else we have) in the fifth spot, but there shouldn’t be much in the line of expectations from that roster spot anyway.
Keep Silva through the spring. He’s in the ‘Koyie Hill’ range of popularity on the board. I get it. If we were to DFA everyone that 30% of the board wanted to, we’d have A Ball pitchers in the bigs by June.
Keep him around. Keep your expectations low. This too shall pass. Look forward to 2012.
There are better options than Casey Coleman or Braden Looper
And Hill and Silva are BAD at their jobs. Not just bad, but two of the worst. I don’t understand what they need to do to prove that to you.
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I prefer Max to Koyie
Silva is, at best, a decent five. Give him four more starts. If he’s still getting pummeled, then I’d take Casey as my 5.
Agreed.
I urge calm on all fronts.
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Why did I figure you'd agree with Rosenbloom?
First of all, the Cubs don’t owe Silva $13.5 million. The real total is $7.5 million — the Mariners are paying the rest.
If Silva pitches poorly the rest of the spring, then sure, release or DL him. But if he pitches well — as he did last spring — he’s got every right to win the job just like all the other candidates.
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by Al Yellon on Mar 4, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
He doesn't say the Cubs owe that.
He says Silva is owed x amount and that Seattle is paying y amount.
That must have been edited.
I read the dead-tree edition and that wasn’t in there. In any case, the amount is incorrect. Cot’s says Silva makes $11.5 million this year and has a $2m buyout. That’s $13.5 million — Seattle is paying $6m, from what I recall when the trade was made. That leaves the Cubs on the hook for $7.5 million, not $9.5 million.
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I think this was an opportunity to really signal a change in the loser culture of Cubdom.
If they had just cut Silva immediately and Quade could have come out and said, “We don’t do this here anymore,” it would have done more in one minute than all the team meetings from now until the end of the season.
Yes, it is easy for me to say, “Just eat the money,” but it’s worth the millions to cut the cancer out of the clubhouse.
No team does that kind of thing.
Name one team that has done that.
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God forbid we do something that is outside the box in order to fix the franchise
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"Fix the franchise"?
That’s a little extreme, isn’t it?
I guess because it’s not your money, you don’t care. $7.5 million isn’t chump change.
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Al
I don’t think at this point cutting him gets the Cubs any better or worse. If Silva was on the top 3 list of their biggest problems this year I’d be happy.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Al
Al come on don’t you know getting rid of Silva will make the Cubs win the next 10 world series?
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Mar 4, 2011 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not sure if this totally compares..
but the Angels dumped Jose Guillen when they were in the middle of the pennant race for being a bad seed, didn’t they?
I think he was producing pretty solid numbers at the time, too.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough.
One example out of how many teams with players like this?
Silva deserves at least a few more spring training starts.
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The point I believe he is trying to make is that the Cubs have a history of letting this behavior continue. It took ALOT to send Bradley home.
They also tolerate loafing….Something I hope changes under Quade…But so far only Castro seems to be talked to.
I think this indicates a change already.
It was handled. It was a minor dustup, we’ve seen meetings and everyone is moving on.
What would you like to see, someone let go? Or guillotined?
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Someone let go
That giant blob that claims he’s a pitcher
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That was exactly my point.
This Silva thing isn’t the first time this has happened. The exact thing happened less than a year ago and was handled the same way. And Bradley’s blow-ups were tolerated, even condoned somewhat by Hendry for the fire they displayed, until they crossed the line into absurdity.
Silva is not a good teammate and should be gone.
Someone at some point has to change the wishy washy culture of the Cubs. They are an embarrassment right now.
There does need to be a culture change.
I think it needs to come from above the manager, though. It’s tough to completely change the culture when your hands are tied by bad contracts.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
Agreed. That's why I think it would have been nice if Hendry and Rickettshad gone to
Quade after the scuffle and said, “This is a nice chance for a teaching moment. Let’s cut this guy loose and show that there’s going to be a new way of doing things here.” This would have given a great boost to the perception of Quade bringing a change to the clubhouse instead of looking like he’s the direct descendent of Dusty and Lou.
I know both because of the size of the contract and because Hendry had to be pushed into a corner before doing anything about Bradley that this was unlikely at best.
I would agree that this fight wasn’t important if it hadn’t been preceded by several years of fights and bad behavior without much in the way of repercussions.
Same old Cubbies!
if you have hendry and ricketts making personnel decisions
then why bother with a manager. that strips him of his authority and sends a message to the players that he doesn’t have to be listened too just the GM and owner. You pay a manager to handle things like this, so that the GM and owner stay out of the day to day operations of the club. Personally I think it was handled fine, it’s game 4 of spring training not game 7 of the world series. These guys are human and get frustrated and pop off and mistakes just like we do. And both of them have admitted they made a mistake and took things personally, sliva took responsibility for the incident, so this needs to be put to bed and be done with, and move on.
Well if the Cubs were to cut Silva, like the nth is suggesting
Then that is Hendry’s choice, provided Ricketts is cool with eating Silva’s salary.
GM's are in charge of Managers, not the other way around.
The D'Backs have done it twice
that I can recall.
They released Russ Ortiz when he still was owed $22M and they released Eric Byrnes when he was still owed over $11M.
I remember the Ortiz release.
I was shocked the D’backs ate that much money. I believe that’s still the largest amount of money any team has paid a released player.
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Ortiz
The guy was horribly out of shape, his velocity was gone, he couldn’t throw strikes and when he did, he got hit hard.
So, what do you do? Pay him to be awful and hurt your ball club or pay him to go sit on his couch, and not hurt your ball club?
That's still a tremendous amount of money to eat.
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All the more reason to jettison the bag of goo.
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Because what Rosenbloom said makes sense
and I agree with people who make sense?
There is no reason to be giving Silva a look. Even if he has a good spring, he is the definition of a bad pitcher. It took him a bit longer to get there last year, but he got there.
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What do you mean there is no reason to give him a look
Exactly the opposite—- The guy already has a contract…Has shown flashes of being decent….has major league experience etc, etc. Why would you just automatically write him off.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
Because he's not good. I think I was fairly clear about that assertion
He’s shown flashes of being mediocre. There are younger pitchers who could actually….improve who have done the same thing.
They aren’t also moody asshats who eat everything in sight.
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Well I seem to remember a win or two prior to the AS game last year
Granted he’s not the second coming of Fergie Jenkins but he can still bring some positives to the game
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
Yes and in most of those wins, he was still getting hit and allowing runners on
He was also the only pitcher getting ANY run support for the first couple of months.
He wasn’t putting together Cy Young type performances, he was simply “not horrendous”
This isn’t a young player who still has some upside. The book is written on Silva. If he’s going to be an ass and start fights in the dugout because someone deigned to tell him he’d actually have to compete for a spot in the rotation then why in the name of holy hell do you want him on the roster?
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You're right
In most of those wins he allowed hits and had runners, as did every other picture out there who didn’t pitch a no-hitter. But if I recall correctly he had a pretty good (not great) but pretty good era during the first half.
Not horrendous is what a 5th picture is about. You always want better but you take what you can get.
Again you’re right he’s not a young player. But he does have upside. He has experience, he knows the hitters better than the new kids, and in general probably won’t get rattled as easily.
As far as the “fight” goes what do any of us know about what really happened. It could be as simple as two guys in the heat of the moment giving each other a shove and 2 hours later when their in the locker room they look at each other and laugh.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
ERA was good, his WHIP? Not so much.
I like the “he probably won’t get rattled” comment on the heels of what happened earlier this week.
That’s some irony
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How about the fact
First ROsenbloom isn’t even good enough to be called a hack. Calling him a hack is an insult to hacks.
The situation with Silva is being blown way out of proportion and as far as what happens to him isn’t going to get any worse.
If he has a decent few outings the Cubs might be able to get a prospect or two in a trade. Eat the money but get something.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 4, 2011 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
because we are shooting for flashes of Decency...
with his contract he stays fifth starter, I dont want him, i dont think we need him, but he stays for the fifth starter…
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that people enjoy different writers, Al.
Carlos Silva...
sucks. He’s terrible at baseball. A month of practice games shouldn’t mean anything when you have the last 5 years to look at (5.37 ERA). The only reason he’s getting a shot is because of his compensation – which is stupid.
No, he's getting a shot because...
… he had three good months last year and there’s a fair chance he could repeat that.
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That and personally I'd rather see him who pitched SOME good game last year
be a 5th starter as opposed to someone like Spellcheck who we haven’t seen good out of.
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by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
writer like rosenbloom
is one of the reasons why people seek out other sources to find out about the Cubs.
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
I don't read Rosenbloom very often
But when I do it seems as if his schtick is all about negativity. Personally I think it is way-way-way-way to early to start figuring out which ledge you need to jump off. It is after all spring training.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Mar 4, 2011 11:53 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
IMO....
….. faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too much has been made about this Ramirez/Silva thing. It’s the first couple of weeks of Spring, news is slow, and people pounce on it as if it’s some world event. It’s about two guys who got into a snit during a practice game. But rather than keep perspective, guys like Jon Heyman and now Rosenbloom feel like pontificating, asif we give a rat’s ass what they think about it.
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by BeerCub on Mar 4, 2011 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Well some of "we" do care.
But thanks for speaking for everyone.
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You're welcome
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Rec'd
Making mountains out of mole hills isn’t very good journalism, or even blogging.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 4, 2011 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
If there isn't much going on,
which at spring training there usually isn’t, any little thing out of the ordinary becomes a big deal.
I agree, this is mountain-molehill territory.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 5, 2011 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
As a baseball writer.....
….. Rosenbloom knows a lot about poker.
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Disappointed
…when I finish an article and think, “I’ll never get those minutes back”.
by Tat14 on Mar 4, 2011 12:01 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Which is the way you should feel every time you click on one of his articles.
He’s truly awful, even if there are some “blind squirrel” moments.
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by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
He is so wrong!!!
The Cubs are amazing!
Silva is not fat!
There was no fight!
Aram hustles all the time!
Quade has no issues to deal with!
The fielding has been great!
Spring Training is going fine!
Gotta hand it to ya TJ
You are nothing if not consistant!!!!!
Of course you need to add that all our starters will be all stars and the team era will be a whopping 0.0000000001
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Speaking of Hill...
Astros lost their catcher for the year…gitterdun Jimbo.
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I'll bet you $10 Hill is on this roster come September
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I'd be willing to be it will be starting twice a week for long stretches
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You're right!
Ramirez is so lazy. So lazy in fact, that he has lasted almost 13 years in the big leagues by being such a lazy fool. I really wish he would try harder and dive for balls more. I mean what could possibly happen? It’s not like he’ll hurt his shoulder or anything. Oh wait…….
How bout running out balls to first?
Ramirez is hugely talented player and THAT is why has survived 13 years in the big leagues.
No one who has been regularly watching him can doubt that he simply does not go all out on a lot of plays, but because he is such a great hitter he gets away with it. I don’t know if lazy is the right world, but he is NOT giving 100% on a lot of plays.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 5, 2011 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well
then lets call out every player that has ever played the game. Because you can’t tell me one player who gives it their all on every single play. (No not even Byrd)
Yes, actually, I have seen Marlon Byrd give 100% on every single play.
Watch him.
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oh come on
thats just completely false. I’ve seen him jog to first many times.
Nobody ever gives 100% ALL the time. It’s normal.
i disagree with you on this
Griffey Jr, Byrd, Dawson, Ripkin Jr, Gwynn, these are examples of players who gave 110% every pitch
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That
is just wrong. I’ve watched Byrd stop running to first, ALL players do it whether you want to believe it or not. It’s true.
never seen him stop before being out
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i havent
but if he does he needs to run through the play and not slack off
its not a double standard, its a standard i expect from EVERYONE in a Cubs uniform
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Pete Rose and David Eckstein come to mind
Hell, Eckstein would sprint to the dugout when he was being taken out of a game.
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I really just get tired of people finding reason to hate a player. Ramirez has been one of the best 3rd baseman in cubs history, yet some people want to run him out of town already.
I would love to see him back next season, considering nobody looks like they want to come out of the cubs org to take his place, and the 3rd base free agent market is awful next season.
I guess I feel he just deserves a little more respect after all he’s done for this franchise. such as putting up very good numbers and staying relativley healthy up until 2009.
There has been no player on the Cubs not even MB or Soriano
who so routinely fails to run to first with the ability they are capable of. Ramirez is very, very good player but that simply does not justily his consistant lack of “hustle” . I really wonder if we have been watching the same games. Ramirez mostly gets a pass because he is a great hitter, but I am more willing to forgive Theriot’s many mental mistakes and
lack of ability than I am Ramirez for not working harder witht the talent he has.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 5, 2011 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
What
difference is it really making if he runs as hard as he can to first every time and still gets thrown out? I really think too much is put into the idea that “hustle” is something that matters in the long run.
I just don’t see how running harder to first on every ground ball is going to make Ramirez a better player, or help him reach his potential. It seems to me he has already reached the peak of his talent. Running harder isnt going to help him knock in more runs.
Becaus YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN
Any player that does NOT run hard to first is NOT doing his job and you are damn right doing it every time would make him a better player. This is what all baseball players should and the vast majority do. Sadly guys like Ramirez largely get a pass because they are such good hitters. Imagine what happens if Koye Hill does not run all out to first and the infielder bobbles the ball? It his job to run hard to first and it is not for ceremony but to WIN. Also it shows an overall lack of fundementals tolerated by the Cubs to allow to get away with this.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2011 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
You're
just putting WAY too much into this. Once again, I ask you to name me a player who gives 100% on EVERY play ALL the time.
It just doesn’t happen. No player is capable of it. People get tired. It’s normal.
No I am not putting too much on this
It absolutely a players job to run hard to first. PERIOD. If they are a little slower here and there OK but players like A-Ram who often make little or no attempt to run on "routine" ground or fly balls deserve to be called out for it. Let’s put it this way, there is a dfference between 100% and 50% and nobody, no matter how well they hit should be given a pass for not trying to play as hard as they can.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2011 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Show
me where it makes a difference in the long run. Byrd may try a little harder on routine ground balls and fly balls, but how is it making him a better player?
There is no evidence to suggest it makes any kind of difference.
So you have never seen a play
where a play where a batter failed to run out a ball and it was bobbled but the runner was out because he was not running hard, or a fly ball dropped and the runner was still out.? Honestly do you watch baseball? Do you think not running or playing as hard as you can is what most players do and that it should be fine with managers.
Players should play all out all the time, that is what they are paid to do and that is what WINS GAMES.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2011 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
Show
me the data or statistics that support you’re point. How much imact does it Really make over the course of a season.
I am sorry there is no stat
for players who done run hard to first base
I have seen it with my own eyes with Ramirez on MANY occaisions and yes a couple of them resulted in his being out when he would have been safe.
It is kind of stupid to keep this up , you apparently believe it is OK for players not to run full out when I guess they decide not to and I don’t and is especially OK if said player is a star. It is basbeball 101 to run hard to first but obviously you don’t agree.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
I didnt ask for the number of times he has jogged to first, Im asking for the data that show hoe much of an impact it has made on the outcome of a game.
I’m guessing none.
It matters because it sets an example for the other players.
Simple as that. No, there is no statistical measure for it. Believe it or not, there are parts of playing baseball that can’t be put on a spreadsheet.
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Not related to A-Ram
but I am curious if anyone has ever tried get a stat for missed double plays. A missed double play is not an error unless a runner advances a base or
no one is called out but it clearly is a major problem.
I admit I am thinking in part of the Theriot double clutch. Sadly this like not running out balls to first never shows up in the box score.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 6, 2011 7:11 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe true
but I really don’t think this is one of them. Ramirez or Soriano don’t get thrown out when they would have made it enough for it to make any difference.
one time makes a difference
it could end a potential big inning.
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Over
the course of a season that one inning means nothing.
And it certainley doesn’t happen to these guys much all year long.
Every play of every inning has meaning
I am sure everyone on the list can name bad plays that cost the Cubs a game. I am honestly mystified why you think individual plays don’t have serious consequences.
While it probably only ( and not even for sure) cost the Cubs a game, the infamous Ronnie Cedeno overunning 2nd ON A WALK remains the most memorable to me.( Instead of runners on 1st & 2nd with nobody out in the bottom of the 9th, the Cubs had a guy on first with one out) Again every play matters and sometimes what a player does not do is as important as what he does.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 7, 2011 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
You never know how the season gets effected
A game could change the standings,but more subtly it can change a team’s attitude. The frustration of blowing a game against your arch rival is not fun. You seem to obsess that no single screw up can cost a season in terms of literal stats. Actually that is not true, but it also is not what we are talking about. When a team allows a player , any player to not play full out or make continued mental mistakes, it reflects on the whole team. We have all be screaming about the lack of fundamentals which has haunted the Cubs not just in the last two years but in the two years before when they made the post season when they got swept in the first round. Teams that don’t tolerate slacking off, mental mistakes, etc are the ones that win.
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by Doggie Stalker on Mar 7, 2011 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Jessica.
Let the Earth spin off its axis again.
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Doggie for the win
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or a double turned into a single due to watching the warning track fly
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when you run out a grounder, you rush the other fielder to throw the ball quicker
which you never now what it will lead to. it also can force a quicker exchange on a DP attempt and so on. Or as i like to think, it is doing what he is paid to do, play the game on every pitch 100%
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you are over reacting to calling an honest thing out
its not running him out of town, but saying that he needs to play hard every pitch, or as we call it in the real world, do what you are being paid to do.
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A: Ditka
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It’s not like he’ll hurt his shoulder or anything. Oh wait…….
hard to get hurt if you do not try. Aram is not lazy, but takes too many plays off. Griffey jr was injured a lot…why? well he gave 110% on every pitch and it showed.
my #1 problem with ARam is not hustling to first on a grounder, liner, pop up, warning track power shot, etc.
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No matter who the 5th starter is
they will most likely won’t be there by mid-season if this team is in contention. Barring a great season by (insert 5th starter here), Hendry will be looking to upgrade by then anyway. While I realize that contention is a BIG if, I’m trying figure out who would be available.
What exactly has Silva done to be cut now?
He had a really bad inning made a lot worse by errors and lost his temper with a player who
has been not playing all out for years. I am not condoning it, but hardly a hanging offense. We got one very useful half season out of Silva, no reason not to try for it again. The idea that you would cut a player for one bad fight in Spring Training is a dumb as wanting to cut an established player who has a terrible Spring Training. Whatever problems there are with this team and it’s attitude, I don’t think Pena is near the top of the list.
Not to mention it would be so much fun to see the Cardinals grab him and have Duncan turn him into a 15 plus game winner.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
You cut him because he is, and has been for quite a while, bad at baseball
the fight is the final straw as is the fact that he actually showed up to camp FATTER than last year, not the reason.
And if you honestly think getting rid of this tub of lard is ever going to come back to bite us in any other feasible way other than monetarily, then I want the dope that you are smoking.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
And if you honestly think getting rid of this tub of lard is ever going to come back to bite us in any other feasible way other than monetarily, then I want the dope that you are smoking.
This is the same thing pretty much everyone said about him a year ago at this time, and he had a good first half. Yes, that’s not a good full season. But it does merit at least giving him a shot.
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But it's also the kind of reply....
…that is insulting, condescending, and insinuates one must be on drugs to think that way.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
And
Not to compare the 2 but didn’t Ryan Dempster have a really bad spring in 2008? So much that many were all but saying he should be shot and run out of town on a rail?
And the idiots called him the name they came up with because they thought it was creative Dumpster.
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by puckishcubsfan on Mar 4, 2011 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Silva just gave his account of what happened
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110304&content_id=16819240&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
I posted this as a separate link but I will ask the same question, that if Silva’s account is accurate that he went in the dugout and said “we need to start making plays” and Rami started the physical altercations why is he not to blame? The issue here is not whether Silva is any good because no one in their right mind would cut a player from one spring training outing , but if he has some horrible, venemous attitude that poisons the team. Clearly he does not. He maybe out of shape, but I have never previously heard of him being difficult.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 4, 2011 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, he's very good at baseball....
… and I would be willing to bet he’d make you look foolish ten times out of ten at the plate. Compared to the milllions who play baseball, he’s a professional. His level of ability is relative. Compared to most who play baseball, he’s execellent. Compared to those who play baseball and get paid to do so, he’s still among the elite, having reached the major leagues, and securing a well paid contract. Within the elite group, he’s at the lower levels, but he’s still elite.
The previous paragraph is courtesy of just about every former professional player I’ve ever met, which numbers somewhere around 60-70.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Mar 4, 2011 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 9 recs
Actually I liked Silva from ST last year
I was only trying to make the point that it would be INSANE to judge how good Silva might be this year from one spring training outing.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 4, 2011 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
My bad
I thought you meant my note about not calling Silva bad from one ST start, but I see you meant calling him bad period. However Bo thinks all Cub players are bad anyway.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 4, 2011 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
Compared to the milllions who play baseball, he’s a professional. His level of ability is relative. Compared to most who play baseball, he’s execellent. Compared to those who play baseball and get paid to do so, he’s still among the elite, having reached the major leagues, and securing a well paid contract. Within the elite group, he’s at the lower levels, but he’s still elite.
Thank you for posting this. It’s the way I feel every time I see someone bravely typing on a keyboard, “He’s bad at baseball.” That’s condescending and insulting.
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Yeah
Two guys who are passionate about that are Randy Hundley
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Crap, hit reply too soon
Anyway, two guys who are passionate about that are Randy Hundley and Fergie Jenkins. Ron Santo would explode over “some guy who’s never played the game calling someone who has bad”. But Hundley, man, if you want to rile him up, and he rarely gets that way, tell him someone who played pro ball stunk. I can see it as if it was last week.
Did you play? Did you play? Did you? Then how would you know? Maybe you should just sit there and be quiet and put your fanny to good use.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I can't believe this got greened
Yes, he’s better than amateur and lower level semi-pro players. Did I really need to qualify it by saying “compared to every other Major League and quite a few minor league pitchers”? Were you really confused by that?
Cmon, of course I know he’s better than the dudes who get together on the weekend to play baseball. Defending him by saying he could strike me out is pretty freaking weak sauce. So could quite a few guys I went up against in Highschool, it doesn’t mean they should be sniffing a major league roster.
"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer
by BoVandy on Mar 4, 2011 4:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This would be good with a sarcasm font.
So Carlos Silva is the worst player in the MLB? Slightly over the top?
PS if you want a worse player with a much,much worse attitude try Oliver Perez
Word is the Mets will cut him and his 12 milion dollars owed.
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Me either
by Doggie Stalker on Mar 4, 2011 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
I just can't stand the phrase "he's bad at baseball".
Like I said, insulting and condescending. You can express your displeasure with his performance without the snark.
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I agree 100%
but because it is ignorant, not because it is snarky.
You don’t make it to the big leagues if you are bad at baseball. You don’t stick in the big leagues if you aren’t one of the best baseball players in the world.
It is right up there with the ignorant comments that says such and such injured player is dogging it and not working hard enough to get back in the lineup. Hello- these are world class professional athletes.
Those comments are world class stupidity.
Sorry, but you're just not the be-all and end all on baseball opinions
As much as you think so.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
great post BeerCub!
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A: Ditka
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Bravo, BeerCub
I have thought exactly the same thing about 10,000,000 times when reading posts on BCB. Absolutely the stupidest comment I read on here, repeatedly is “so and so is bad at baseball”.
I don’t care if it is Aaron Miles, Koyie Hill, Augie Ojeida or Neifi Perez…you don’t make it to the major leagues at all, let alone stick, if you are “bad at baseball”. I guarantee you that the people making that comment never played above Little League.
by azjazzman on Mar 5, 2011 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Let the record show...
… that azjazzman and I are in 100% agreement on this issue.
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Wow just Wow
Way to much being made of all this. It was a minor altercation by a marginal player at the beginning of spring training.
Not worth the arguments nor the time.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
by carolinacub on Mar 4, 2011 1:21 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nope this team is going to win 122 games! Why bother with this trivial stuff!
Laziness, bad fielding, and fighting in the dugout do not matter at all!!!!
Even if they win 90
You would have to come up with something new!!!!!!!!!!!!!
''"I always thought I was the most competitive person out there. I never thought I'd find anybody more competitive until I met him.'' Ryan Dempster talking about Ted Lilly
by Madison Cub Fan on Mar 4, 2011 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
they will win 90
just in the post season, and when you include the regular season, we could be looking at upwards of 300 wins this season
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A: Ditka
Ditka's mustache can block a Chuck Norris round house
How much they win
How much they win whether it be 122 or 22 will have absolutely nothing to do with this incident.
The fans and media have spent 223903321312381 times the time spent by any player on the team thinking or talking about it.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Mar 4, 2011 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
Rosenbloom is trash
He is really the scummiest commentator out there currently, On top of all of that, he’s an idiot. For me, what he has to say about baseball is about as relevant as what Kim Kardashian would say.
I refuse to click on that article and waste my time. Plus I would hate to give him a page click for the effort.
by jerry morales rules on Mar 4, 2011 3:01 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Kim Kardashian
Kim actually is a sports fan. I worked on a charity event she was involved with. We talked baseball and she knows the game. She would make a better columnist than Rosenbloom.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
by puckishcubsfan on Mar 4, 2011 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Wow.
So she actually knows something other than how to make sex tapes in order to get famous? Who knew?
by jerry morales rules on Mar 5, 2011 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Seriously, no one needs to call names.
We all know Rosenbloom isn’t worth reading. Thing is, enough people click on him that it’s worth the Trib giving him the space. He stirs up controversy. That’s his job… kind of a poor man’s Mariotti.
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by Al Yellon on Mar 4, 2011 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, beat me to the exact point I was going to make.
This crappy writer has jumped on and off and on and off and on the Blackhawks bandwagon all season. Worthless drivel is what he spwes.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Mar 4, 2011 4:08 PM CST reply actions
If you think Rosenbloom's colums are bad,
you should listen to him on the Score. Never has a good word to say about anything.
I get it, you’re supposed to be critical. But it’s absolutely impossible for things to be bad all the time, just like the reverse is absolutely impossible.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Mar 5, 2011 3:09 PM CST up reply actions
Given his writing style, "spwes" is probably more like it
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Rosenbloom =
blah blah blah blah blah.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
The second it happened
The second this happened I knew it was going to be blown way out of proportion by the media.
That’s one thing Quade will have to learn. He’s managing a team in a city where the writers covering sports with 2 exceptions wouldn’t be hired by the National Enquirer.
Chances are Silva and Ramirez have forgotten about it.
I’m currently rereading my Physics textbook from high school to restore the brain cells I lost reading this and listening to Boers and Bernstein this afternoon.
I do have to say I will have a purpose for Rosenbloom’s columns for the next 2 weeks. We’re dogsitting and since the dog isn’t familiar with the house we’re putting down paper just in case.
Nothing happens unless it's first a dream
I think Rosenbloom hit you on the freakin head.
C’mon, can’t we give Silva at least one more IP in spring training?
He was 8-0 with a 2.93 ERA before he got injured last year and could have been the Cubs All-Star rep. He was one of the few bright spots on the team in the first half. He does have a chance to repeat this, or he could fail and be cut, but why would the Cubs want to deplete their SP depth/options this early in ST?
And maybe if the Cubs keep him for another three weeks of spring training he can lose 5 pounds for you…although then there will be less of him for you to hate.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Mar 4, 2011 9:48 PM CST reply actions
this rosenbloom
is pretty nasty. whether right or wrong the fat comments just came off as mean. im no silva fan but you can write the story without personally attacking the man. wow.
by NOMAR on Mar 5, 2011 8:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Silva and Rosenbloom
For his own good and to perform longer as a pro athlete, Silva should have gotten himself on a fitness program supervised by a doctor if necessary. That said, I’m not worried about him personally because he’s rich from having spent prime years of his life in professional baseball. His performance or lack of durability will eventually grind his career to the ground and, for now, I’m assuming he will get over it.
The Cubs have to start the season with a rotation that they think can go the distance for the season.
IMO, the Tribune should cut Rosenbloom’s column and bring back one of the better columnists that they let go or hire somebody who can write something worthwhile. It is sort of fair, at least directionally, that Silva makes what he does pitching or trying to pitch in the majors, while Rosenbloom likely makes a small fraction of that for writing his column.
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