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Where Have All of the Cubs Fans Gone? (BCB in the News!)

Interesting article that discusses the lack of interest/ number of ticket sales for this season. Even cooler is that there are several BCB mentions! I agree with pretty much everything that is written here...I know that much of it has been talked about at length already on BCB, but the subject does get everybody talking. Anyways, congrats for the mentions, Al.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/03/07/wisch-where-have-all-the-cubs-fans-gone/

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I think they would prefer some smelt.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 7, 2011 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

Kind of like the classic Heckler story when the gnats attacked the bleachers

The Heckler said they were after the beer.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 7, 2011 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

My super secret spy glass from the back of candy box, reveled the truth about those gulls:


Bleacher Bums from another dimension.

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Mar 8, 2011 2:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I could try to explain to CBS

but not worth my time. I am sure Wally & company will put some brilliant spin on it as in ticket sales have been a HUGE success as the brokers are no longer ripping off Cub fans, Wally is doing it for them.

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either

by Doggie Stalker on Mar 7, 2011 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

heres the thing

while ticket sales may be off from the past few years (fewer speculators) how do they compare to other non-contention years? How do they compare to pre-2003 levels?

by hansman1982 on Mar 7, 2011 12:21 PM CST reply actions  

It's still higher than pre-2003 levels....

… but then, the 1999-2002 period had declining ticket sales primarily due to the fact that the team was awful (except for 2001). Plus, there are a lot more season ticket holders now than before 2003. It’s not really comparable.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2011 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I plan to buy as many tickets as usual if not more.

What the hec is wrong with me?

Nice to see the BCB mention. I wonder if that Ferris Bueller story got Al some more notice all of a sudden. Len mentioned him the other day on the broadcast and now this.

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by katie casey on Mar 7, 2011 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

That article had some issues

I posted a mini-rant there, because I couldn’t help myself:

What if Toyota raised the sticker price of the Camry (the best selling car in the world) from $30,000 to $80,000, and then Motor Trend published an article speculating that the reasons behind a resulting drop in demand were somewhat mysterious, but could be due to the Accord winning Car of the Year in 2005, customer dissatisfaction with the Camry’s low-tech navigation system, or a lack of popularity in driving overall, despite all the traffic on the roads? We’d probably say that while those things might be true, spending ink on anything other than Toyota’s dramatic price increase still misses the point entirely.

So it is with the Cubs. In 2000 – when one could still walk into the ticket office and buy season tickets on the spot – the fan cost index for Wrigley (a widely cited measure developed by Team Marketing Report that reflects the total cost of tickets, food, and merchandise one would be expected to purchase in a day at the ballpark) was $135.52. Last year, the index hit $329.74, reflecting an increase in costs nearly 150x the U.S. inflation rate, and we saw a secondary ticket market awash in unused tickets and below market prices – for every series but the "marquis ones".

In 2011, as you wrote, the Cubs kept ticket prices flat overall, but dramatically increased prices for the marquis series, beyond even 2010 levels. And proving that the laws of economics have not been suspended in Wrigleyville, demand for those series has dropped.

So unless it’s appropriate to say the Camry is less "popular" if sales fall after Toyota more than doubles the prices, it’s not appropriate to say the Cubs are less popular, either – but rather to say that the Cubs have simply raised prices to something approaching the market clearing price.

After all, surely if bleacher tickets to the Cardinals series still cost 20 bucks as in 2000 – or even last year’s prices – they’d be long gone, and the Cubs would be just as "popular" as before.

 

by Ryan D on Mar 7, 2011 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

and we saw a secondary ticket market awash in unused tickets and below market prices – for every series but the “marquis ones”.

When is the Marquis series? I’d love to see Jason pitch in Wrigley again! They should make that a marquee series when Marquis pitches!

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by Fukudometer on Mar 7, 2011 3:02 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think car prices are comparable to ticket prices..

… because cars don’t have limited supply. In theory, they could sell a Camry to everyone on Earth.

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by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2011 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

MLB can add inventory as much as it wants

It’s not a perfect analogy to the extent that the two products aren’t identical, but it’s plenty close to make my point. MLB can add more teams, more games, build bigger stadiums, expand overseas, etc. Sell not just one but 81 tickets to everyone on Earth. Locally, the Cubs can go play in Soldier Field if they want, or build a bigger stadium.

Like building an automobile factory, none of these options is simple or without startup costs and time, but at the end of the day, the limiting factor on any of these options isn’t anything structural in the market, but the nature of the demand for tickets itself — which is the point.

by Ryan D on Mar 7, 2011 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Well..

…. those “startup costs” would be much higher than making cars for everyone on Earth.

You’re right about the demand for tickets, which has gone down because of:

  • recession
  • price increases
  • mediocre team

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by Al Yellon on Mar 7, 2011 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

i thought

we were the best fans in baseball???? what happened.

by NOMAR on Mar 9, 2011 6:04 AM CST reply actions  

mesa crowds

spring training crowds appear way down in Mesa too, I believe only one game over 10,000. Only 5,500 showed up on Weds. The Giants and probably Dbacks with the new stadium willl def beat the Cubs in attendance this year.

If the Cubs get off to the same start as last year, I wonder if they even draw 2.7 million.

by MikeJW on Mar 10, 2011 4:04 PM CST reply actions  

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