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Barney makes me want to sing "I love you, you love me"

At the beginning of spring training I remember rooting again for Darwin Barney. I was excited about his call-up late last year (only cause I liked his name). I had followed the club over at Tim Sheridan's Boys of Spring blog.  Barney had showed up early, along with others, to participate in the 2nd Camp Colvin. Of those who attended he and Cash may have gotten the most out of it.  I was expecting to see the scrappy 160lb back on the field fighting for a utility spot, not a 185lb brute staking a claim to the opening day lineup.

It looks like Barney took the camp serious and used his time wisely to bulk up.  He has surely added some drive to his swing.  It must be all of the spicy breakfast omelettes Byrd made for the kid this spring.  Something has surely put a fire in him.  He is off too a torching start to the season.

I see him slowing down a little bit eventually and finishing around .285/.380/.475 with 40RBI, 10 HR, 20 double, 5 triples.  The kid can flat out play.  If Baker wasn't absolutely torching left hand hitting I would run out Barney everyday till he slowed down.  It seems now that DeWitt is expendable and we should try to move him and get a mid level prospect out of him.  We have plenty of veteran depth at Triple-A for a bat off the bench.   

Either way I want to see more people start talking about Barney and his real potential.  The kid may have not done much in way of career minor numbers but the kid's body had not matured to its full potential.  A kid that puts on the weight needed, puts balls in play, and can run a little is going to have a good opportunity to succeed for us.  

Whats your opinion on his future?  I know a lot of people have compared him to theRiot, but I think he has done a better job since the beginning of spring of drawing walks than Theriot did.  He has really worked the count.  I see them as having similar playing styles: tough, fierce, and scrappy.  The only weakness I see in Barney in his career is minor league numbers.  If those were a product of not being able to drive the ball with authority, he is surely learning how to do that right now. 

The kid is a workhorse and a student of the game.  I'd much rather run players out everyday who are going to give it everything they've got, even if they aren't the most talented on the roster, than the most talented lazy players (ARAM and Soriano).  I love watching guys like Barney, Byrd, Pena, Castro, Colvin, Baker and Reed Johnson give it everything they've got everyday they are on the field.

I am a firm believer with a squad full of these types of players thats worth at least 10 wins a year.  Barney is set for a solid first full season.  Dare I say a future leadoff hitter? Maybe?  I may be getting ahead of myself, but I am not one to temper my expectations for a guy that is pedal to the medal and tries to learn from his mistakes.  

 

Hey Q Run this lineup out there: It may be a little right handed to begin with but today I don't believe that matchup matters any more.  Give the guys playing hard everyday a chance to scrap with the best of them.  We've got enough pitching from top to bottom to let the defense protect and the offense score a few runs.

1 Barney- 2B

2 Castro- SS

3 Byrd- 3B

4 Soto- C

5 Pena- 1B

6- Baker 3B

7- Colvin RF

8- Johnson LF

9- Pitcher P


What do you think?

PS- This is my first FanPost.  I am a 23 year-old law student from NC.  I have been a die-hard Cubs fan since I was 8 years old.  I was living in Indiana at the time at my parents took me to Wrigley Field.  I had just started playing Little League and was playing second base at the time.  It was the year Ryno came back.  I fell in love with his smooth style.  He and Gracey have always been two of my favorite cubs!

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Is Barney capable of being an everyday player in the future?
Yes
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No
14 votes
Haven't seen enough yet to decide
27 votes

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Darwin Barney is an overachiever.

Sometimes guys like that make good major league careers for themselves. I think he can do that.

But no, he does NOT make me want to sing that song.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 12, 2011 7:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Not that I'm disagreeing

But is there really a way to be able to say this? How can you tell?

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 12, 2011 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean about being an overachiever?

Or singing the song?

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by Al Yellon on Apr 13, 2011 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is an all hustle team!!!!

In a perfect world those guys deserve to play just on effort….

But I would not play Byrd at 3b!!! LOL I know you just messed up….!

by TJ11 on Apr 12, 2011 8:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It's actually the new strategy for Quade...

He’s going to have two 3B so that between the two of them, maybe one can get a throw to Pena in the air.

He also figures two outfielders is plenty.

by bdlugz on Apr 12, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

two outfielders platooning right?

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by epsilon on Apr 12, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If things go well maybe an Adam Kennedy type career?

I don’t see him as a long-term leadoff man option.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Apr 12, 2011 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

You seem to have 2 3Bs in there

And no Sorry or A-ram, which we all know will never happen.

by Doshi on Apr 12, 2011 8:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Whoops

Meant to have Byrd at CF, sorry guys and girls

by hc77261 on Apr 12, 2011 8:33 AM CDT reply actions  

was the sori and aram scratch also an oversight??

other than castro, they’ve been our most GULP productive hitters this year (small.sample.size), but their career numbers will be there in sept (hopefully oct) and doshi said it best when we all know they wont be overpaid pinch hitters…

words like “hustle” and “scrappy” are tossed around on here like it’s the gospel…i know they don’t run out everything and their DEF leaves much to be desired, but only if they loafed like man-ram then i’d have a problem w/ it…

also, i heart me some soto, but his numbers w/ RISP aren’t worthy of the 4 hole, but heck “our offence is to weak” according to many on here, and we lose a TON of one/two run games because of lack of execution and fundamental baseball in the field, so it doesn’t really matter who hits fourth i suppose…

the youth movement is upon us…i guess you all see what fuld is doing in place of aforementioned man-ram, huh? AAAA players in iowa seem to always succeed once they’re let go, right??

"I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you (hanley) might wind up on the floor on your rear end," Dawson said with Tony Perez standing by his side in a coach’s office at Sun Life Stadium

by 12to23to17 on Apr 12, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would Reed Johnson play everyday?

He is our 5th best OF option. Good for spot starts against lefties only.

by JSB on Apr 12, 2011 8:46 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

The OP likes scrappy.

John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.

by rlpete on Apr 12, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

ARAM and Soriano Lazy???

Paging Husker_1

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Apr 12, 2011 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm too busy laughing at where the OP said...

“I am a firm believer with a squad full of these types of players thats worth at least 10 wins a year.”

I agree, with the lineup posted above, a team like that might only win 10 games lol.

by Husker_1 on Apr 12, 2011 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Darwin Barney will go the way of Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot

They are all very similar. Very scrappy players that the fans just seem to love when they first start playing. But after a year or two, their popularity dies down and fans want them to be booted from the team because they either overachieved or were not really good to begin with.

Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!

by Chanman25 on Apr 12, 2011 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Barney's defensive skills...

…could (could) make him more valuable long-term than either of those players.

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by daver on Apr 12, 2011 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

This...

Barney is monumentally better defensively than either of the last two. That means SO much up the middle, it’s not unusual to sacrifice offensive capabilities to shore up the defense up the middle.

This is why you don’t see ARod at SS, Soriano at 2B, etc… even though they may have been the best offensive producer at their position in the majors, it just doesn’t make sense.

by bdlugz on Apr 12, 2011 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's also simply smarter.

I don’t foresee many TOOTBLANs in Barney’s future. That and better D makes him a better player, even if the bat probably isn’t sustainable at the OP’s projected level (uh… if Barney has an OPS in the .850 range for a season, Hendry and Q will both do cartwheels).

"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."

by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Apr 12, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which part? All of it?

The defense? Easy: better tools and fundamentals all the way around.

Fewer TOOTBLANs? Just watch him run the bases… he knows what he is doing. Will he ever get picked off or make a baserunning error? Of course. But it won’t be a nearly weekly event like Theriot.

That an .850 OPS probably isn’t sustainable? Because there’s nothing in Barney’s history to suggest as such. Oh, and only 35 MLB players sustained such a number last year (and only five of them were SS/2B: Tulo, HRam, Cano, Uggla, K Johnson).

That Hendry and Q would do cartwheels? Admittedly, that is purely speculation.

"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."

by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Apr 12, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on defense

but there is no way of knowing about his TOOTBLANS

Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!

by Chanman25 on Apr 12, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't suppose I can convince you

but it really isn’t terribly hard to see Barney is a better baserunner than Theriot.

"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."

by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST

by fsuapollo on Apr 12, 2011 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect this will be correct

Barney is a different player than Theriot or Fontenot, but I suspect he is not markedly better than either. Perhaps he is better than Theriot, but I doubt he ever has a season as good as Theriot in 2008.

by JSB on Apr 12, 2011 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

It’s still way too early to tell either way. I think we should slow down on the Barney-for-every-day-player bandwagon. His minor league career suggests he is a fringe MLB player who will likely be a utility player at best.

by JSB on Apr 12, 2011 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree about the everyday player thing.

It’s a long shot. But I could see Barney bringing pretty consistent value to a team as a utility player for a long time. Despite Theriot’s good fortune in falling ass-backwards into a starting shortstop job, he and Fontenot could be perennial nontender candidates from here on out.

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by daver on Apr 12, 2011 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

but if he's hot today and he's hot tomorrow..

you keep trotting his evolution loving behind out there until he’s not hot!!!

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by epsilon on Apr 12, 2011 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are many players whose minor league career stats

project that I can think of two who were not supposed to be stars in George Brett and Ryne Sandberg. And no, I am not comparing Barney to them, but I think that some players develop at a later stage. I think the work he did in the off season shows and I think the platoon will keep him fresh. I hope he has a long career.

by jpeters407 on Apr 12, 2011 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

POSSIBLY...

but if you’ve heard of Barney before this or last year you know how alive this f’n guy is. Very alert and aware person and I think his defensive value will stick around for a while..he’s got great potential as a utility player and pinch hitter.

He might get beaten down if he continues to start because in time his hitting numbers will go down, but as a role player I think Barney has a great future in this league and with this franchise.

by SenorGato on Apr 12, 2011 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wasn't torn up about it.

He wasn’t being used properly.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 13, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

i agree with much of what you say

but didnt we have an unspoken agreement to never bring that song up regarding the second baseman?

"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson

One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola

by epsilon on Apr 12, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

One of my greatest accomplisments as a parent...

…is steering my daughter clear of that purple demon throughout her toddler years.

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by daver on Apr 12, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

recc'd

for the sheer AWESOMENESS that is Barney the Dinosaur…I watch it everyday all day and I LOVE IT

by hansman1982 on Apr 12, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

You frighten me, hansman.

You genuinely frighten me.

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by daver on Apr 12, 2011 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

not long ago my brother-in-law took his kid to a B-day party and they had a Barney pinata...

when they showed the toddlers how to hit it, they all started crying.

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by cooliogirl47 on Apr 12, 2011 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say you're a little too high on Barney.

And I’m a big fan of his and rooting very much for him as well. I voted for the third option in the poll — we just need to see how he does as the season rolls along. I love a Castro-Barney middle infield, and I’m open to the idea that Darwin could exceed expectations at the major league level. But I would not bat him lead off or anywhere near the top of the lineup at this point. (And, as others have pointed out, the rest of your lineup is a little perplexing.)

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by daver on Apr 12, 2011 9:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

Worst 3 years of my life. Well, 2.5 years. Got married during one of them, so it got considerably better.

by RynoRooter on Apr 12, 2011 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You fail the bar or something?

I live in the state with the worst attorney compensation in the country, but I’m doing alright.

by RynoRooter on Apr 12, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I passed.

But I graduated at the start of the economic downturn. And there are four law schools here. And bar passage is extremely high.

So terrible attorney market = no pay off.

by Arbusto on Apr 12, 2011 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, gotcha.

I guess I’m fortunate enough that my state only has one law school and I moved to an area where there are only about 10 other attorneys in town (and 3-4 are going to retire soon). I really feel for you guys in larger areas where the competition is so fierce.

by RynoRooter on Apr 12, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right now

Sori’s OPS + is 123, and Rami’s is 124 (yes, it’s a small sample size — the same small sample size you apply to Barney). With no evidence to show laziness, why would you bench them?

Meanwhile, Reed Johnson has an OPS + of… negative 100.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 12, 2011 9:48 AM CDT reply actions  

negative 100?

How on earth…? Can we just call this experiment failed already?

by bdlugz on Apr 12, 2011 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

well

this year he’s the fifth outfielder, not the fourth. He’s had seven at-bats, three Ks, and no hits.

Very small sample size, of course.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 12, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I believe that I proved in another thread Ramirez' laziness.

And an OPS of negative 100? You just made that up!!!!!

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Apr 12, 2011 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, actually, it was -100.

Until he got a hit last night.

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by Al Yellon on Apr 13, 2011 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what thread you were in

but I doubt you proved Rami’s lazy.

And no, I didn’t make it up.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 13, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment.

and ohmygoodness it really was -100! You don’t see that every day!

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by davidalanu on Apr 13, 2011 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barney is a great guy to have around at pre-arb prices

but he definately isn’t a guy we should be building around or even placing in the long term plans without looking at viable alternatives. And I believe the OP is being very generous with his prediction of a .380 OBP out of Barney. Unless Camp Colvin also increases walk rate, Barney hasn’t shown anything at all in the minors to suggest that he could sustain a BA/OBP difference of 100 points.

by RynoRooter on Apr 12, 2011 10:18 AM CDT reply actions  

If he can get on base at a .380 clip..

I don’t personally care if he slugs .350, he’ll be extremely valuable at 2B with above average defense and a .730 OPS.

But you’re right, that OBP isn’t happening for 162 games.

by bdlugz on Apr 12, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two Words:Tuffy Rhodes

I too like what I see so far from Barney….but his minor league profile is more consistent with a utility player and not approaching anything near a .380 OBA. I would like to see Barney achieve beyond this profile….but ….let’s not get too excited too soon.

by perseman on Apr 12, 2011 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

My daughter

is singing that song as I write this. She thinks he can be a star second baseman. Of course, she also thinks he’s a purple dinosaur.

by Josh Timmers on Apr 12, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately both scenarios may have the same likelihood

Doesn’t mean he can’t be a great backup or a decent starter.

by bdlugz on Apr 12, 2011 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano

Shit like this:

The kid is a workhorse and a student of the game. I’d much rather run players out everyday who are going to give it everything they’ve got, even if they aren’t the most talented on the roster, than the most talented lazy players (ARAM and Soriano). I love watching guys like Barney, Byrd, Pena, Castro, Colvin, Baker and Reed Johnson give it everything they’ve got everyday they are on the field.

Pisses me off. Because it’s complete bullshit.

Barney was JUST on the radio saying that Soriano is always at the field EARLY working his ass off, doing extra hitting, etc, etc, etc.

Don’t just spew crap with no base except the media telling you Soriano is lazy because he doesn’t sprint to first on pop ups. That’s completely and utterly unfair to Soriano and I’m sick of that shit.

by doug W on Apr 17, 2011 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

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