Cubs 'Close' To Signing Doug Davis
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That’s all I can think about.
There’s about a 95% chance this won’t work out, but I agree, it’s worth a try.
thats exactly what i first thought as well
Keep that Q Train rollin' in '11. Let's win it for Ronnie.
This scares me
not that I have anything against the move, but when you sign guys like Davis and Ortiz within a week, this kind of tells you the Cubs don’t think Cash and or Wells are coming back and yes the Gorzo trade should haunt them.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions
Low cost insurance policies
If Cashner and Wells are OK, bid them farewell. If not, give them a shot if they look OK in the PCL.
And my opinion on Burgess is changing. If they can keep him in shape and he keeps hitting 435-foot bombs, it was a good trade. May hurt the 2011 Cubs, but this team wasn’t going anywhere, anyway.
Burgess is intriguing
If he keeps tearin it up in Daytona I’d like to see them move him up to Tenn. Maybe have a 4th outfield option who can blast the ball for next season.
Two washed up guys who know MLB team would give a minor league contract to
smacks of desperation to me. I get it is low risk, but that does not mean the Cubs are not in a big pickle on this.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats not nec. true
Granted I don’t think Ortiz would of landed a deal anywhere. But I believe he’s here strictly because they need someone to throw innings in Iowa, nothing more, nothing less. Davis on the other hand was drawing interest I believe, having 8-10 teams watch his work outs so i think some team would have given him a shot. He probrably just figured with the injuries the Cubs were his best shot at being on a ML roster.
well of course the Cubs are in a big pickle
How many teams lose 40% of their starting rotation at the same time?
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How many of them trade a back end starter
for minor league prospect? You need to have depth in SP and everyone but the Cubs seems to know that.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just not fair.
After trading Gorzo, the Cubs had seven candidates for the rotation (eight if you count Russell, though I wouldn’t). You can’t figure that an $11 million pitcher will come to camp having gained more weight and attitude and that you’re steady No. 4 and top prospect will get hurt at about the same time.
The Cubs should have kept Gorzo because they didn’t have another lefty option. But they had rotation depth.
Look I am the Silva "supporter" here
but based on his last half of the season you had to know he was a significant risk. You need more than one back up. Feel free to check out the posts the day of the trade , I was LIVID over it for just that reason. You simply do not trade a back up starter for a prospect. Gorzo could easily have been hidden in the bullpen for long relief. It was a bad idea then and the chickens have come home to roost.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Cubs had two open spots in the rotation.
They had Wells (who, let’s not forget, has been pretty durable for two years). They also had Cashner, Silva and Coleman, and a second tier of Looper, Russell and Wellemyer. Even if the second-tier guys shouldn’t have been considered, trading Gorzo wasn’t something that indicated a lack of understanding regarding pitching depth.
I’m not accusing you of being inconsistent. I was mildly against the trade because the Cubs didn’t have another good lefty for the rotation. But when you have four guys to fill one spot, trading one of them isn’t that crazy. The Cubs understood pitching depth — and they tried to sell Gorzo high. It’s only one start, but Gorzo wasn’t exactly Tom Glavine in his Washington debut, BTW.
Last point, the Cubs had a bevy of left handers in the bullpen (Marshall, Grabow, Maine, Russell). So Gorzo might have rotted in the pen as a Cub.
It worked out badly. But I’m not gonna say Jim Hendry doesn’t get pitching depth because of this.
Don't agree
The last 3 were simply not realistic. They had 3 guys for one spot and two of them were young and inexperienced and one was had a lot of issues that is not good depth. I know they had lefties but they did not have and do not have a long relief innings eater which is what Gorzo could have been.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you are being inconsistent, IMO.
All spring, you were bullish on Silva, but now the Cubs are short-sighted because they banked on him (and Wells, and Cashner, and Coleman)?
We should probably agree to disagree, at this point.
I was not " bullish" on Silva
except compared to nearly everyone else who thought him worthless. I certainly never thought he was any kind of sure thing and no team should have relied on him. I don’t event think the Cubs did, they just did not think they needed more depth.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm. I don't have time ...
or really the inclination to go back over your comments, Jessica. However, I think you were more optimistic — perhaps not bullish — on Silva than you’re owning up to now. I apologize if I’m wrong. I really do.
But come on. You’re seriously mad that Jim Hendry, when he traded Gorzo, didn’t assume that Wells and Cashner would get hurt on the same day AND that Silva would peter out?
I gotta agree with DS, el...
Gorzo shoulda been kept if only for the reason of him being the ONLY LH starter. There’s SO many other duds in the bullpen that coulda been dumped…or optioned out. They knew Silva was washed up after last years 2nd half.
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Actually, Ed, you and I agree here.
Keeping Gorzo to have a lefty in the rotation would have been a good call. I just don’t think that she’s right in her assertion that the Cubs don’t value pitching depth BECAUSE they traded one of FOUR guys vying for the fifth spot in the rotation.
Gorzo would've been a waste as a long relief innings eater.
They got back end starter value for him, why diminish his value this year when we can cover 98% of the productivity he would’ve given us in house already?
Back end starter value
is not a B prospect. Burgess is doing very nice so far but starters even the back end kind are the single most valuable commodity in baseball. Look how many teams are scrounging for one now.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say 'OR', not 'and'.
I bet Wells is back in three weeks. But young pitchers with shoulder injuries will be handled carefully.
I like this move, mostly because Davis is a lefty and because there’s no risk.
I'll take that bet. 100 BCB bucks.
I have no evidence whatsoever to back up that hunch – I’m just very skeptical of the Cubs announced injury timelines. I think they have a reflexive need to gild the lily at all times.
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I understand.
I’m basing the Wells prediction more on the fact that they have been very clear that he has a forearm injury and not an elbow injury. Also, I heard Randy on the radio the other day, and I don’t think the Cubs would OK an interview where he discussed “no structural damage” unless he was actually telling the truth.
Levine now says the Wells timeline is 3 1/2 to 4 weeks.
Are we attuned to the Cubs’ standard operating procedure or what?
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I think they've been pretty consistent on Wells, actually.
My guess is that the Cashner timetable is more “fluid.”
I bet TJ does need surgery
He probably got repetitive stress injury from those thousands of all caps posts.
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by Doggie Stalker on Apr 12, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So Wells will be writing his statements with lots of exclamation points afterward?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 12, 2011 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Anything's possible...
…but I think they’re just stocking up on insurance at this point.
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I think the message here is Cashner will definitely be brought along slowly
Which is smart. Doug is insurance in case Wells misses more time than expected and Coleman and/or Russell disappoint as starters.
by Mulhollandmania on Apr 12, 2011 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree.
I could see Coleman doing a decent job of buying all the time that’s necessary for Cashner. Wells is the thornier issue — I really hope he isn’t out for more than three starts.
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If Cashner is out long term ...
Davis could be an improvement over Coleman because he’s left handed.
Hm, that's true.
And he could allow Coleman to go back to Triple A for more development. I guess it depends on whether the team thinks Casey is MLB-ready or not. I’d prefer to have a young pitcher like Coleman in the rotation if Cashner is out long-term, but Davis could provide some cheap flexibility.
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The Gorzo trade will haunt the Nationals
When Burgess is belting 35 HRs a year for the Cubs!
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As a BP pitcher?
He used to stifle the Cubs… then again, so did all soft-tossing lefties.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Apr 12, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Really like the move actually
Davis can eat up innings, and I anticipate Cashner to be out 4-6 weeks or so. Give Coleman his shot, but just in case we have Davis in Iowa. Not to mention he has an excellent last name.
It's true.
Davis made 34 starts (203.1 innings) as recently as 2009. If healthy, he could do the team some good.
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and we really need someone to eat innings.
Our bullpen can’t be taxed like it has been this first week or so of the season. They’ll burn out.
Wellemeyer??
Are Todd Wellemeyer and Augie Ojeda still with the organization? Last I heard, they were hurt in spring training. I haven’t seen them put on Iowa’s DL or roster.
Hey, since were into bringing back old Cub farm hands, why not give Dontrell Willis a call.
I think Dontrelle is in the Reds organization somewhere.
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Gordo chimes in via Twitter:
Davis doesn’t appear to be a short-term solution for filling injury openings on staff but seems longer term depth.
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Now that you mention it...
…in his chat today, Bruce Levine seems open to the notion of Davis joining the rotation.
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The pitchers in the minors
seem properly placed. If any other prospects were called up (Diamond, ABD) without external additions, AA guys would have to be advanced further than desired.
Hell, yeah!
So did daver, I think.
Thanks for the nod, Hammer.
I think I saw Davis mentioned on Twitter and brought it up.
But you ran with it.
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We're both geniuses.
Anyway, here’s another reason the Davis move makes sense.
Until Wells returns, Davis and Coleman will be four and five (or five and four). Whoever pitches best will stay in the rotation.
THEN … if Cashner’s injury is pretty severe, the winner could stay in the rotation. Cashner might not be somebody we can count on to start for most of the year — admittedly, that’s a worst case scenario — but he MIGHT be able to throw some quality innings in the pen.
If Davis can still pitch, he gives us a lot of options. If he can’t, it’s a minor league deal. This is a scrap-heap deal at its best. Low risk, high reward.
Yep.
I’m definitely seeing the logic in this move. And let’s be honest, it’s not just you and me who is the genius. OMG SO IS JIM HENDRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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Last reason why I like this.
If Davis has anything left and pitches well, the Cubs might be able to flip him to a contender in July (if we’re not in contention).
That would seem almost too good to be true...
…but, hey, I guess anything’s possible in this mixed-up, crazy game we call baseball. After all, the Red Sox are 2-8.
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One underlying failing of the Hendry era ...
is that he’s not been very adept at buying low on pitchers. Ryan Dempster and Glendon Rusch were both good pickups that cost the Cubs next to nothing at the time, but Hendry really has done this rarely or ineffectively (Wade Miller) in the past few seasons. And Silva doesn’t count because of the high price tag.
The Cardinals do this exceedingly well. It’s astonishing how they can turn Joel Pineiro or Jeff Weaver into an effective pitcher for half a season, let them go in free agency and then reload.
Hendry, instead, pays market price or higher for guys like Jason Marquis and John Grabow.
I know Dave Duncan is a once-in-a-generation pitching coach. But you figure the Cubs could have done this effectively once or twice since Dempster.
I hear ya...
…but it’s a tall order — especially for a rookie pitching coach.
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Oh, yeah.
The rookie pitching coach who … was replaced by Dave Duncan. Irony can be pretty ironic at times.
When is Duncan's contract up?
Let’s make history repeat itself! (Uh, sorry, Rigs.)
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I kinda doubt that Duncan will ever leave TLR.
Duncan’s like the really hot girl in college who stuck with the asshole boyfriend, making them both look better.
I really hate TLR.
As I said in another thread...
… better Davis throws his slop FOR us than AGAINST us.
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And as I said in the other thread
We’re the only ones who can’t hit it.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Apr 12, 2011 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And you wrote this BEFORE the game.
And you’re still right.
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So does a googleplex of different people.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Apr 13, 2011 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Before everyone screams about this move
don’t forget the Yankees have just signed Kevin Millwood and Carlos Silva. They have Bartolo Colon in their bullpen and Mark Prior is somewhere in their organization.
I like gambling on Davis before Ortiz. I can’t believe Ortiz has anything left.
John Grabow: $4.8 million in 2011.
Juan Pierre got a big hit off us in the 2003 playoffs.
So it was smart to pick him up a couple years later.
Blech.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
Really?
Would you rather have James Russell start more games?
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I'd rather not have a 35 year old retread band-aid.
Bring up Chris Carpenter.
There are 108 beads in a Catholic rosary and there are 108 stitches in a baseball. Who says baseball isn't a religion?
He's a relief pitcher now
Hasn’t been stretched out at all. Being groomed as a late inning reliever.
by Mulhollandmania on Apr 13, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
How is it that is the only alternative?
And if it is, how can you claim this team isn’t poorly constructed?
Doug Davis, or James Russell = Bad GM
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Apr 13, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ask yourself this
What team could survive the loss of 40% of its starting rotation without having few decent alternatives?
Go ahead, name some.
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