Chicago Cubs vs. Los Angeles Dodgers Preview, Friday 4/22, 1:20 CT: Once Upon A Time, It Was Warm
31 years ago today, one of the most remarkable games in the history of Wrigley Field took place between the Cubs and Cardinals.
Dennis Lamp started for the Cubs and barely lasted three innings, giving up six runs including home runs to two players who would be on the following year's edition of the Cubs: Bobby Bonds and Ken Reitz. Lynn McGlothen relieved him and was worse -- yanked after facing seven batters, five of whom reached base, all of whom scored.
But the Cubs had scored off Cardinals starter Bob Forsch early and often, too; Cardinals manager Ken Boyer finally took mercy on him and pulled him with two out in the fifth inning, after he had given up fourteen hits and nine runs. If you're keeping score, we're now in the top of the sixth inning with the score Cardinals 12, Cubs 9.
And then three Cubs relievers, Bill Caudill, Dick Tidrow and Bruce Sutter, about the only good things about that 1980 Cubs team, shut the Cardinals down for the final four innings on three singles (and three walks). A two-run single by Bill Buckner made it 12-11, and then Barry Foote homered in the eighth to tie it.
In the last of the ninth with one out, Dave Kingman singled and Lenny Randle ran for him; Randle stole second. Boyer ordered Buckner walked, and then a wild pitch put the runners on second and third. Larry Biittner was called out on strikes and it looked like the game was headed for extra innings. But Jerry Martin walked to load the bases... and that brought up Foote, who won the game with a walkoff grand slam. Foote's second homer of the game gave him eight RBI, made the Cubs' record 6-3, and the 18,889 in attendance whooped it up like the Cubs had just won the World Series.
It was all downhill from there in 1980. The Cubs lost 98 games, Foote hit only four more homers the rest of the year, and that April 22 game was the best of the year. Ivan DeJesus, now the Cubs' third base coach, had five hits and hit for the cycle. Only two other Cubs (Andre Dawson, 4/29/87 and Mark Grace, 5/9/93) have done that since.
I mention this game for another reason. It was 92 degrees that day -- that was, and still is, the highest temperature ever recorded in Chicago in the month of April. Which shows that it actually can get warm this time of year, something you may find it hard to believe in a month where the average game time temperature has been 45 degrees. It will warm up, eventually. Hopefully, the Cubs bats will, too. Today's weather looks iffy; it's currently raining -- again. If there's a postponement, I'll post another rainout thread. If they do play, here are the lineups.
Cubs lineup:
Fukudome RF, Barney 2B, Castro SS, Ramirez 3B, Peña 1B, Byrd CF, Soriano LF, Soto C, Coleman P
Dodgers lineup:
Carroll SS, Blake 3B, Ethier RF, Kemp CF, Uribe 2B, Loney 1B, Sands LF, Ellis C, Billingsley P
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Casey Coleman had a good outing against the Rockies in a tough ballpark to pitch in and kept his team in the game. This is his first ever career appearance vs. the Dodgers; the only member of their roster he has ever faced is Tony Gwynn Jr. (0-for-2).
Chad Billingsley is off to kind of a rough start, with a 4.91 ERA. Last year in two starts vs. the Cubs, he got two wins despite a 4.38 ERA in 12.1 innings. Only two Cubs have ever homered off him, and they're not who you might expect -- Kosuke Fukudome and Koyie Hill. Current Cubs are 18-for-77 (.234) against Billingsley.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 1:15 p.m. CDT and the overflow threads will post at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to rain delays or extra innings, post them in the fanshot section.
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Good to see that Quade will mix and matcxh the lineups, unlike Lou.
Hopefully he can find something consistent sometime soon. Colvin needs to start swinging a better bat, because once April ends, we all know Fukudome begins to stink.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 22, 2011 11:05 AM CDT reply actions
Colvin's splits
In his only full year of service, Colvin has his highest OPS in April and May, very much like Kosuke has through his career so far. Obviously this is going on one year of service and it’s a small sample size, but I wouldn’t assume that Colvin will be a better option going forward then Fukudome, particularly given Colvin’s struggles so far in what was his highest productive time last season.
Memories...
I sort of remember “Skid-row” in his relief role.
And Barry Foote had to hit home runs. As quite possibly the slowest runner in the history of the game, he had trouble beating out gappers for singles. Though I doubt Steve Ontiveros was ever willing to challenge him to a 40-yard sprint.
Hard to believe that Foote was a #1 draft pick...
… chosen third overall in 1970.
If you think teams make bad first round choices now, check out the first round from 1970.
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Thanks for reminding me
who “Disco Dan” Ford was. Probably the second-best player in that first round, after Darrell Porter.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
RE that 1980 game with the Cards,
Little more than a year earlier, the mediocre ’78 Cubs were able to win 15 of 18 games against those same Hernandez-Templeton era Cards managed by Ken Boyer. The Cards almost instant success in ’81 under Whitey Herzog would provide more evidence of what a baseball genius can do with the support of ownership.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
Gives you great hope for Quade. Eh.
What a bad hire.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I'm sure there are examples of a longtime company-man like Mike working for different managers...
…within the same organization, then making the most of an unexpected opportunity to run the whole show by taking his team to the top. Offhand, I just can’t think of any.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
It's heading this way.
Forecast for this afternoon looks pretty bad. I’m waiting before heading to Wrigley.
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The forecast does not look good
http://www.wunderground.com/sports/MLB/hometeam/Chicago:Cubs.html?st=1303482000
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Don't want!
What am I expected to do on this slow Friday at work…. work?!?!
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
noooooooooooooooo
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
Well crap.
I don't always block shots, but when I do....I block yours.
Kyle Korver is open as soon as he gets out of his car at the UC. -
Stacey King
Hi Sue !!!
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'm 50 mins from Wrigley and its
Very windy and cold with drizzle. Another shitty day for baseball! My kids have started baseball and softball and so far in two weeks one kid has had one practice! Terrible weather
by bleedinblue76 on Apr 22, 2011 11:12 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Which direction are you from Wrigley?
North? South? West?
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I'm north of Wrigley in Grayslake
by bleedinblue76 on Apr 22, 2011 11:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks.
Most of the rain is south of you and heading toward Wrigley.
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checking out the radar
it looks like the worst of it will be over by 2:00…
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
Looked at AccuWeathers' radar.
If you guys are lucky, the bulk of the system will slide past to the south. More likely a delay than a postponement, I imagine.
Or else it’s the next installment of “Rainout Theater” on ’GN.
14 episodes of the new adventures of old christine
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
They should at least show Curb or 3 Stooges. Have a heart WGN
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
WGN has the worst "superstation" programming...
TBS has at least relevant re-runs and some original programming…WGN BLOWS. If the cubs arent playing or the random WGN bulls game is playing i will not watch WGN.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
I think WGN makes all its money on sports
and buys the cheapest filler it can find for those many hours in between
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
can we get a petition going to have them stop calling themselves a Superstation?
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
I think it claims "superstation" due to its national broadcasting reach
not its “super” programming ;-)
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
They need to broadcast all sports on the wgn america feed
Its frustrating that they only show the hawks games on local Wgn even though they only broadcast a handful of games
by mr_einstein on Apr 22, 2011 12:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget all the revenue
from Tom Skilling Snuggies!!!
"Stuff like this is why they should shut off the internet."
by Orval Overall on Dec 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST
I know a really funny, sardonic group of writers
The writing on “Becker” reminds me of their stuff, if they all had suffered crowbars to the cranium immediately before the brainstorming sessions.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
NexRad at Wunderground tends to agree - The Cubs might get lucky.
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/mixedcomposite.asp?region=b4&size=2x
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Is Castro gonna stay in one spot? It would be nice.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I can understand them trying to figure out where they can get the most out of him though..
Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Apr 22, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
if he can keep hitting
similar to how he has done – decent power, good average – he would be a nice 3 hitter on this team, especially if we then get to use Fukudome’s good months to good use at the top of the lineup
by hansman1982 on Apr 22, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Tied for 1st in hits, and has 10 at-bats with RISP (I think)
Let’s see if he can use that knack to knock in some runs! (assuming Kosuke and Darwin can get on in front of him)
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Anyone care to give me a Quade update?
How did he do this past 9 days? I’ve been traveling constantly for work, and have only seen a few innings.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Biggest issue with him (here) has been the College of SPs
And his press conference platitudes. The big worry lately has been his supposed underuse of Wood. It’s leading to speculation that Woody may be hurt. Since Byrd’s been moved, the lineup debate seems to have regressed to the mean (~50 posts on it a day)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
could be that he is trying to pace woody
so he doesnt end up with 100 appearances and see what we have in the other half of the bullpen
by hansman1982 on Apr 22, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Once upon a time there was light in my life, but now there's only Cubs in the cold

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Summer weather in Munich today

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'd like an order of Wiener Schnitzel and a Hofbrauhaus, please
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Difficult, ver difficult. The Flaucher beergarden serves Löwenbräu and not Hofbräu
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Mmm, Lowenbrau is my personal favorite...
It’s very hard to find here in the Chicago area, which is really a shame.
Augustiner or Paulaner for me...
Schweinsbräu is also not bad.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
A Kostritzer, please
Love those black lagers.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
East German and delicious. They also do other beers.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
So I've heard
There was a German guy who owned a restaurant in my hometown, and he wouldn’t carry Kostritzer because they used “that radioactive East German water.” If that’s the case, that water makes an excellent beer.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Franziskaner is a Weißbier (Weizenbier) brewery. Also a good choice.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Oh and Budějovický Budvar (the original Budweiser)
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'll adapt and keep drinking
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
i would like to call a moratorium
on people posting what the glorious weather is in places other than chicago unless it is worse (impossible?).
it’s annoying.
I just got back from 8 days in Orlando.
On Tuesday I fly to Hawaii.
I’ll be sure to post a weather update for you!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I just got back from Spokane...
It snowed 4 of the 5 days I was there. My work is clearly flying me into the wrong places…
Bum Flaucher!
(Horse whinnies.)
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50 in Fairbanks

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
82 in Nashville,TN
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
weather.com
says it’s 57 and raining.
stop lying.
Warmer in Fairbanks than in Chicago
Global Warming!!
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little unclear ...
why Byrd is hitting ahead of Soriano. But otherwise, I like this lineup.
Hard to say
Historically, Byrd makes better contact, hits for better average. But I like the 14 rbis better. It’s probably best to make these moves gradually, if Byrd is losing his importance.
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on Apr 22, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
If only we had your power bat back in the lineup, Hack.
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the inevitable "1st Carlos Pena homerun" is coming
…hoepfully
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 22, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
For real
i was in the camp that though Pena would have a nice bounce back year but he’s batting like, .107 with risp. awful. he needs to put a couple in the bleachers.
Pena crushed two balls on Monday night that would have been out of the park any other day.
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There's still not really any excuse for him not to have any homeruns
That’s what he was supposed to bring to the table. He hasn’t done it.
never forget...
1.7%
anything is possible...
by wrigleyrocker12 on Apr 22, 2011 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
but...it's COLD....

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 22, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I like how the green stripe
in her tube socks accentuates the yellow
by hansman1982 on Apr 22, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
So "accentuate" is the new term?
nice.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
SWL-
By the pictures you post, I take it you prefer them a little bigger? Women, in general I mean. Nothing wrong with it—just noticed a certain trend in the pictures you post. No supermodel types.
I think he goes for the "willing to expose herself" type
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If I ever find myself attracted to a woman with the body type of a 13 year old boy...
I will have myself voluntarily committed to a mental institution.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 22, 2011 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't like Soriano in the 7th spot
Soriano has proven that you need to keep him in one spot, and with the power hes showing this year I say you keep him higher up in the order. 5-6
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Apr 22, 2011 11:22 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed
5th or 6th. What does a guy have to do? A little respect for the best we’ve seen out of Soriano since… I can’t remember when. Pena and his fake thumb injury can bat 7th.
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on Apr 22, 2011 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Mildly disagree
I think one reason why he is hitting more HRs is because he is seeing more fastballs. He can’t hit breaking balls anymore and down in the order he is seeing more fastballs. I haven’t seen the stats but it seems like he is seeing more fastballs anyway.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
Cubs need to
Get a quick lead and steal a win with a rainout lol;)
by bleedinblue76 on Apr 22, 2011 11:22 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Carlos Silva
I see that Carlos Silva is scheduled to pitch batting practice for the Yankees.
Do they know that when he comes up to the big leagues that he’ll be scheduled to pitch batting practice during the games as well?
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on Apr 22, 2011 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
Coleman needs to channel his inner Maddux today.
2 LAD hitters are hot, so we cannot let them beat us. The rest of the lineup seems pedestrian (familiar sight).
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
I thought everybody knew how to beat the Dodgers
Get more left-handed.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Apr 22, 2011 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's the ticket!
call up Jackson.
Jackson
Colvin
Fukudome
Koyie
Castro (he could prob. hit .275 LH)
Barney
Pena
Big Z @ 3rd
Coleman
"Beisbol been berry berry good to me." -Tony Oliva
Cause a divorce.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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by SackMan on Apr 22, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
KAPOW
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Castro?
Is this the first time Quade has put him in the 3 spot? It will be interesting to see how he does!
Also, Al… Appreciate the story from the 1980 season. As a 32 year old, it’s fun to read about some of the games that are before my time (well as a cubs fan that is).
Go Cubs!
Very happy about Castro in the 3 spot
He’ s not going to hit .350 forever, but even if he does even 90% as well as last year, he and Ramirez seem to be the best choice of a 3-4 duo.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
For the love of all that's good and holy
have the wheels continue to come off for Byrd and Pena. Anything to stimulate the process to make some moves and bring up Jackson.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 12:29 PM CDT reply actions
Wait, let me check.
Yes.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's come to this
Hoping your own players flame out so your "I"m the GM" fantasies can be fulfilled.
Pathological, I tell you.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
yes...the rational thing is to continue to hope Pena starts "hitting"....sometime soon....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 22, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Bruce
If you’re good all year, Santa will visit your house on December 25th, sometime around 12:01 AM.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he leaves
a lump of coal in your stocking.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Oooh
sick burn
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean really
that’s a good one grandpa
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently
A tribe of lobotomy patients lives in South Bend.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Boy that train is NEVER late
That really is the best you have though, isn’t it?
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, compared to
“that’s a good one, grandpa,” it doesn’t have to be Shakespeare.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
We already brought up Castro last year...
they only do something like that every 4 years or so….don’t hold your breath.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
Foolish me.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson may force the issue
But it’s best to wait until mid-May or June – it changes the date that he becomes arbitration eligible, and besides, he’s still learning how to not strike out as much. He WILL be our leadoff man.
If he keeps getting it done, Byrd may be traded – he’d be a great acquisition for a lot of teams, and we could actually get some real value in return. A corner infielder would be best, or make a bigger deal and find a future ace.
Fukudome stops hitting in June, so that is also a wonderful time to bring up Jackson. If Colvin never hits, he might see Iowa sometime in May also.
Hack Wilson IX
by KO Stradivarius on Apr 22, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
it's only the first 14 games...
but Jackson is making the Southern League pitching look silly…he’s leading the league in AVG, OBP, OPS.
/small sample size
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 22, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
And I love the double standard going on here
where last year at this time you had people demanding Castro be called up, but now those people aren’t so sure about another dynamite player.
It’s also funny to look back and see people like Doggie Stalker talk about trading Castro for Heath Bell, or others doubting Castro being called up, and now he’s treated like a saint.
None of this is directed at you, maybe not even Bruce (because god, I don’t think I could bring myself to re-reading that crap), but it’s just a point that needs to be brought up about the mindset of others.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If he comes up, he comes up
I’m not going to actively root against Byrd or Pena for that to happen.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
God forbid someone change their mind....
Just because you think someone should be traded doesn’t mean you can’t love the person when they come up and are great on your team.
Just like the people who absolutely hated the Garza trade, if all prospects we traded flame out and Garza turns out to be good for the 3 years we have him, you’re allowed to be pleased with it.
It’s not a double standard, it’s having an opinion, and having facts reshape that opinion over time. It’s called “being human.”
Oddly enough, so is this

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No, the double standard is demanding Castro be called up
and some of those same people are now arguing that Jackson shouldn’t.
What’s funny is looking back and seeing people talk about including Castro in for a trade for a reliever, or thinking he was just something hip at the time, and then not even a month later asking for him to be brought up, and then even later praising him. That itself is not the double standard I was speaking of, it’s just funny to look back at that.
And being human is also realizing that hindsight is 20/20 (most of the time) and learning that there’s a lot to learn from the past.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think I would rather Byrd and Pena start kicking ass so that Jackson doesn't need to be called up
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Apr 22, 2011 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, obviously
but unless someone can cast a magic spell, that probably isn’t happening. It may, but much like people waited around for Rami or Soriano or Soto a couple years ago, etc. you’re going to be waiting for awhile.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
What do Byrd and Pena have to do with Rami or Soriano or Soto?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Byrd and Pena, like Rami and Soriano were players who at one point were valued highly
and have since, it a very, very short amount of time, look lost at the plate and/or are a detriment to the team. People waited, and waited, and waited for the latter two to come around, and they didn’t whether if that’s due to mental issues or injuries. Given how poorly Byrd and Pena have played so far, I don’t exactly have high hopes for them turning it around. Really, both have been on the decline since last year, Pena on the longer decline.
And someone more in tune with stats would say that they’ll come around and eventually play to their average, but that’s not always the case. In fact, in the last couple years, history has shown that really isn’t the case.
So, both are not for long with this team as is…The question becomes, would you rather gut it out with a player who has a name, and a history, hoping for their turnaround even though in the present the team will greatly suffer? Or, do you go with someone young, and is playing at a level much higher than the league they play in, who will guaranteed hit as well, if not better, than Byrd is now? Given issues such as money in the long run, and the possibility of those two bringing others down around them, I’d rather go with the fresh face who will do as well as two badly slumping players are currently doing.
Again, I’d love for the team as is to start being fantastic, but the only way people in charge see a reason to make a change is when the issue is so bad it’s unavoidable. I really don’t want it to get to that point, but we’re kind of already at that point. We’re a perpetually .500 team, why not go in a direction that will mean that you’ll do as well as you’re currently doing, or possibly even better?
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
OK
I don’t agree — I think history has shown that is the case more often than it isn’t, and there’s no guarantee BJax will hit well once he’s here — but you know the Cubs (nor any other big-market team) is going to go with nine kids in the starting lineup. Nor should they.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying they will or they won't
but you seem so cocksure.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Apr 22, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
That's just beause this will be a rain-out
Byrd will bat 3rd tmrw. In both games of the DH.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
It's in my blood...
…every time I read a story of an exciting Cubs victory, I get goosebumps. 40 or so years of being a Cubs fan has me wired that way.
Does anyone know if WGN ever rebroadcast that game? As they did the 23-22 game?
Maybe during today's rainout. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Rain Delay
From the Sun-Times: The Cubs game against the Los Angeles Dodgers scheduled to start today at 1:20 p.m. will be delayed by rain. No projected start time has been given, but the teams do expect to play the game this afternoon.
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
The longer they delay it
The better chance I have of watching it. I may try to sneak out of here at 3.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Best chance looks like a 2:30 to 3 start and try to get done by 7
"Easy on the words, brother,'' Quade said.
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Would love to see Colvin get a free starts against
RH pitching!!!!
by daily2b on Apr 22, 2011 12:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
It's automatic
I see a strange post, an immediate follow-up, and then I look for the tell-tale “via mobile” tag. It’s (almost) always there.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Since no thread is complete without it...
Paul Sullivan tweet:
Sam Fuld in Superman pose. Seriously. http://bit.ly/faw13v
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve. -J.R.R. Tolkien
its sickening...
now he’s starting to believe his own (BCB) press…disgusting.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
One thing you learned as a Cubs fan: when you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth. Joe Garagiola
I sure this will cool off
when he hits .270 for the rest of the year?
I saw that Brandon Belt got sent back to minors, so maybe Colvin should get sent down.
Jackson is on a hot streak and he should get the call up.
Quade wont play him
too obssessed with Fukudome.
on his 23rd birthday,
saw that on yahoo yesterday
"Hello again, everybody. It's a bee-yooo-tiful day for baseball."
He should get sent down
He isn’t playing enough and he needs work. He doesn’t look lost though, and he seems to have a good approach in his at bats, both of which are good but he is exactly the kind of player who needs a ton of at bats and he is not getting them.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
not sure if this has been discussed or not
but has anyone seen Tony LaRussa lately?
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http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2011/04/tony_la_russa_face_pinkeye.php
This is plausible...
… given what often comes out of his mouth.
"Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes..."
Looks like he fell off the wagon again
and then got drug behind it by his neck
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by Fat Punk Kicker on Apr 22, 2011 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely should have used a couple sick days there, TLR
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Apr 22, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap
TLR is starting to look like how Darth Vader looked without the helmet.
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 22, 2011 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaaaaaahhhh!

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 22, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions

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