Cubs Minor League Wrap: April 21
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 12:00 AM CDT
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PrintI guess tonight belongs to The Jackson 2. Oh, the team they save may be your own.
Iowa Cubs
The Iowa Cubs blasted the Albuquerque Isotopes, 9-4.
The big news was the season debut of Jay Jackson, and it was a successful one. Jackson went five innings and gave up two runs on two hits. He was really only challenged in the fourth inning, when he gave up a lead-off single and then a triple. Jackson threw 69 pitches, 45 for strikes. He walked one and struck out four.
Polin Trinidad pitched the final three innings for his first save of the season. He allowed only three hits and no runs. He didn't walk anyone and he struck out three.
The I-Cubs exploded for three runs in the second and six runs in the third inning. The big blow was by left fielder Lou Montanez, who hit a grand slam in the third inning. It was his second homer of the year. Montanez had a big night tonight, going 4 for 5
Catcher Welington Castillo also made his I-Cub debut tonight, going 1 for 3 with a double and a walk. He scored twice.
Tennessee Smokies
The Tennessee Smokies got stuck in the Carolina Mudcats, 5-3.
Trey McNutt made his first start since his blister and the velocity was there but the command was a little off, which is to be expected. But even though he took the loss, it wasn't a bad start. He went four innings and allowed three runs on eight hits. One of the three runs was unearned. McNutt only walked one and he struck out four.
Center fielder Brett Jackson's hot start continued, as he homered for the second time in two nights. Jackson was 2 for 4 with a double and the solo home run in the eighth. He scored twice.
Daytona Cubs
The Daytona Cubs won the dogfight with the Lakeland Flying Tigers, 5-3.
Starter Zachary Rosscup pitched 4.1 innings and allowed three runs on five hits. He walked one and struck out three.
Rosscup didn't get the win because he didn't go five, but Brett Ebinger really earned the win with 4.2 innings of shutout relief. Ebinger allowed four hits. He walked one and struck out five as he improved his record to 2-1.
Right fielder Michael Burgess clubbed his sixth home run of the season when he connected on a three-run home run in the bottom of the first. DH Justin Bour was 2 for 3 with a walk and two runs scored.
Peoria Chiefs
The Chiefs beat the rain and the Beloit Snappers (Twins) 5-4 in a game that was called after seven innings.
Starter Robinson Lopez pitched the first four innings without allowing a run. Unfortunately, he started the fifth inning and he gave up three straight hits, all of which eventually came around to score. Lopez was credited with 4+ innings and allowing three runs on four hits. He walked two and fanned one.
Eric Jokisch relieved Lopez and he allowed the two inherited runners to score when he allowed a triple to the first batter he faced, but he got the win when the Chiefs retook the lead in the bottom of the fifth. Jokisch was credited with pitching two innings and allowing one run on one hit. He did not record a walk or a strikeout.
Jeffry Antigua got the save when the game was called early. He pitched one perfect inning and had one strikeout.
Shortstop Arismendy Alcantara went 2 for 3 with a triple and four RBI. Third baseman Eliot Soto was 2 for 3 with an RBI and a run scored.
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God I hope Jay Jackson
gets the next start instead of the college of mediocrity.
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by Unique on Apr 22, 2011 12:26 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
That he was limited to 69 pitches
indicates that they don’t really think he’s ready to go deep into a game yet.
If you want a minor leaguer, you’d be better off with Diamond or Bibens-Dirkx.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Point taken.
But my thinking is that we won’t need a fifth starter in over a week now. Jackson should be able to go 80 next time around, one would hope.
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by Unique on Apr 22, 2011 1:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with your point
But how many pitches can Russell throw…?
by Brett Taylor on Apr 22, 2011 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
How many good pitches can Russell throw?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Probably around 40 or so
but they would all be against lefty hitters. As far I am concerned, he can’t throw 1 good pitch against righty.
by RynoRooter on Apr 22, 2011 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's ready to go deper than russell, right?
even if jackson is on an 80 pitch limit next time out, might as well throw them for the cubs.
by John T. Unger on Apr 22, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd love to see him up soon too.
It’s probably too early now. That was just his first start of the season and all…
Jackson’s definitely a guy who’s grown on me since he got hot and then lost the hype. He’s kinda been through that whole thing while still young, and he might even come out of the gate hot. He’s put on some size since the hype a couple years ago too. After Cashner, he’s the young pitcher I’m most interested in seeing this year out of the bunch we might see. He might have the upside of a 4-5 guy, but his stuff makes it seem like he’ll be a possibly well above average 4-5 starter.
Josh you get three points for:
Daytona Cubs won the dogfight with the Lakeland Flying Tigers, 5-3
by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Apr 22, 2011 1:11 AM CDT reply actions
Our system is so fun to follow right now!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Alcantara
I was saying watch this guy. Not sure how good he can be but I like him. If this start keeps up when it comes time to do my mid-season top 30 it’s gonna be really tough. I’m itching to see how things are gonna shape up.
http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-cubs-wrigley-bound/
Our System is loaded
Besides what we are seeing daily in Josh77 daily posts on our how our MiLB players are doing right now in full season leagues we have A TON of interesting players in XST that I can’t wait to get a look at.
Our latin america efforts are gonna start paying some dividends. You don’t need to throw millions @ just 1 player. Look at Jenry Mieja the Mets top prospect signed out of D.R. for a measley $16,500. Gioskar Amaya, ss made BA top 20 latin america summer league and also mentioned Willson Contrares an offensive minded 3B, Marco Hernandez 2B, and 2 pithcer who can run it up to 93 in Starlin Peralta and Amaury Paulino as well as this:
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2011/3/13/2048006/international-signings
Rubi Silva is already paying dividends and the C outta Cuba is hitting in XST and Na is looking solid. We all know about Kim from Korea.
And our recent draft efforts have netted a ton of guys that are very interesting like Harrington, Geiger, Darvill, Springfield and Wells. I’m leaving out some.
For those of you who think the Ricketts are cheap they ahve put a lot of money into the system that might not be apparent now but trust me. More socuts in latin america and an acedemy. We are a FREAKIN deep underrated system.
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BA...
..also said guys like Beliveau and a handful of others would have made many other teams top 30. Combine in the #9 pick this year who should be a high upside guy and Wilken finding later round gems good lord I’m getting dizzy thinking how deep this system is and how tough the next top 30 I do is gonna be.
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It really is amazing
how deep the Cubs’ system is right now, and how much the rankings services hammered the Cubs after the Garza trade. Yes, the Cubs lost several good prospects, but to ignore the extreme depth of the system is just lazy.
by Brett Taylor on Apr 22, 2011 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The rankings
really like the top names. There’s some sense to this—top names are the ones that are going to make a real difference on the major league level. Sure, it’s nice to have a James Russell come in and be a solid LOOGY (Let’s ignore his starting misadventures—they aren’t his fault.) but you can usually get a guy like that for cheap via trade or the waiver wire.
But one thing that I think gets overlooked as that when you have a ton of prospects, one or two of them are going to greatly exceed expectations. Every once in a while a guy comes around like Geovany Soto, who you have pegged as a backup catcher, and he takes a big step forward and becomes an all-star. Randy Wells went from non-prospect to solid #4 starter.
I will say that Kevin Goldstein from Baseball Prospectus, even after the Garza trade, said that the Cubs had more players that you could go through their roster and say “He’s a major leaguer, he’s a major leaguer. So is he,” than any other team.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
That last paragraph...
has it exactly.
Guys like Jackson, LeMahieu, Flaherty, Jay Jackson, Carpenter, Dolis, Cabrera, Castillo…all guys I fully expect to be in the majors…all have the talent to be really useful players too…despite losing The Future things don’t seem so bad.
Been trying to say this since the mourning of the
Traded 4.
This farm system isn’t far off at all…
it really does seem like
this system is built to complement 2-3 superstars acquired through FA…Think about next year, if everyone (and I know that is a LONG shot) progresses nicely this year, we dont bring any of our big FA’s back and we sign one of the big 2 we could have:
C: Soto
1b: Fielder
2b: Barney/DJLM
SS: Theriot
3b: Vitters
LF: Soriano
CF: Jackson
RF: Colvin/Burgess
SP: Z, Garza, Wells, Cashner, Jackson/McNutt/Dirxx
RP: Marmol, Marshall, Carpenter, Russell, Coleman, Mateo/Wood
Thats 11 of 25 spots that would be at or near league minimum…even if the system produces only 1 superstar every 5-7 years having 11 productive guys on the team earning less than $7 million all together REALLY allows for salary flexibility.
There has been a lot of talk lately about guys wanting to avoid 6-7 year deals to avoid another Soriano because of what his salary does…at the end of the day, you HAVE to do these kind of deals in order to get the talent in here. What has killed the Cubs is that we have quite a few guys who are productive but expensive…Grabow is the first that comes to mind.
If we can replace their production through the farm system and save $20-30 million a year that will allow us to go after those missing pieces and suddenly the team can absorb a Soriano-esque contract, every team has one like that but the good teams can fill in around that player with effective and cheap players.
So, you traded Castro for Theriot? LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
He also dropped Dempster
He’s still got one more year left on his contract
Not necessarily
Dempster has a player option for 2012. If he pitches well the rest of this year, it would make more financial sense for him to opt out and get his last multi-year deal. He would probably be the best FA pitcher on the market, unless CC opts out of his contract.
I am thinking
Dempster opts out to pursue one last multi-year deal, 3 years $24-28 million, especially if his stats keep trending down. I doubt that contract would be with the Cubs though.
I don't think Burgess
will go from A ball to the big league team next year, thats very wishful thinking. Also not sold Vitters will be ready.
Burgess
was just the first name I saw…you could slot a couple different guys there as you wish…and Vitters is one of the guys who would have to make a big leap
Lord I pray
that last multi-year deal is with a team that isn’t the Cubs.
Even if he rights the ship this year. Why throw good money at mediocre talent again? Please tell me they have learned some lessons.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Apr 22, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he gets more than that.
At least the 3 year, $33 million that Lilly got. He’s been much more of a workhorse than Lilly.
But, also consider
Lilly is left-handed, and had a great 2009-2010, with an ERA of 3.38 cumulative.
Dempster has been almost as good, but will still need to put up some similarly solid numbers this year in order to get anyone to throw $11MM annually at him over 3 years.
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Considering the poor free agent pitching market
I would think he would land a 3YR/$33M deal easily. This off-season is going to be as terrible of a market for pitchers as the 2006 off-season was.
The top “talent” available that off-season was Lilly, Gil Meche, Adam Eaton (can’t believe he was signed for 3YR/$24M, he started 49 games to the tune of a 6.00 ERA), Vicente Padilla and of course the outlandish signing of Daisuke. They all struck gold due to that market.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Apr 22, 2011 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Add
Kei Igawa, Jason Marquis, Jason Schmidt (3YR/$46M), Jeff Suppan (4YR/$42M) and of course the “prize” of that off-season, Barry Zito to that list as well.
For fun, I have to mention that was the year of the 5YR/$50M Gary Matthews signed for as well.
Come on Lisa, I'm trying to impress people here. You don't win friends with salad. ~ Homer J. Simpson
by TheBeerBaron on Apr 22, 2011 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Left-handed yes,
but he didn’t pitch 200 innings in either season and has battled nagging little injuries. Dempster has been the defintion of consistency, going at least 200 inning each of the past 3 seasons with an ERA below 4. That’s easily enough to off-set Lilly’s left-handedness.
I don't think so
His early season performance doesn’t make me think he’ll leave $12 million on the table to seek a better deal. Plus he said he loved Chicago. I’ll be very surprised if he opts out.
Oh, it's far from a given
that’s for sure. But financially, Dempster is probably hurting himself by not opting out, assuming he reverts to the version of himself from the past 3 years or so. Whether he values money over comfort/loyalty/etc. is the real question.
I think Flaherty might get a shot at 3rd before Vitters.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Or more likely, Jeff Baker
If it came down to this.
You have Burgess jumping from Daytona to Wrigley?
Okay. I mean, it’s possible I guess. That SLG is awesome.
But he is hitting .250 with a .304 OBP in A-ball.
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I was just looking for another option
with Colvin and his was the first name that I saw…obviously if Montanez can have a good year at AAA who knows, and it depends on who we get back from trading Byrd and Fukudome
BJaxx
right now shows he is not far off. I hope AAA by mid May and the Cubs by the break. Move someone, maybe Byrd. But enough already.
based on past performance
he probably wont come to Iowa, which is a shame, I loved going to Prior’s games when he was coming up.
Castro was called up last May.
But, we do have a crowed OF.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
741 fans showed up last night at I-Cubs game.
It was nasty too. I guess Jay Jackson was the only one who stayed warm.
We'll miss you Big Boy. #10 for Hall of Fame.
Uh
4 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4K….not the definition of a “not bad” start. I recognize that it was an outing following a short-term injury, but that start is much closer to bad than ho-hum. Just saying.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
The hits were bad
but the rest seemed alright. He induces mostly groundballs, had a good K rate and had a good BB rate. It’s possible the hits were a result of him not being able to hit his spots like he usually does, which as Josh77 mentioned, is fairly common in the first starter after a blister issue.
Yes
I was much more concerned about velocity and throwing strikes than the fact that his pitches were up in the zone. Baseball America had a guy at the game with a radar gun and a twitter account. What he wrote is much more important to me than anything in the line score.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
How was Jackson's velocity?
some were saying in Spring Training that he only reached 86 or so.
random thoughts aplenty: @crouch17
I was wondering this as well
Although I doubt the team would let him come off the DL if he was still having the “dead arm” period.
That I didn't hear
But I assume that his bad velocity was a result of the elbow tendinitis that shut him down at the beginning of the season.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Josh, curious...
Do you think there will be any kind of punishment handed down to Bryan LaHair after what happened last night?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 22, 2011 9:58 AM CDT reply actions
Apparently,
He was ejected in the bottom of the first after a strikeout looking for arguing balls and strikes.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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If you are grouchy, irritable, or just plain mean, there will be a $10 charge for putting up with you.
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 22, 2011 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anything happen
other than being ejected for arguing?
If not, then no.
by Josh Timmers on Apr 22, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
There has got to be a 1st baseman in the minors that can hit over 200
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