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In the Cubs' march from 0-0, stopping along the way at each benchmark to 10-10, the following things have happened:

  • They have had only five quality starts. That's dead last in the major leagues; no one else has fewer than seven. The Angels lead with 16; the Phillies lead the NL with 15.
  • Their first-base free-agent acquisition is hitting .176 with one extra-base hit (a double).
  • They've lost two of their five starters to injury and have replaced one of them with the College of Pitchers, which has been a complete and utter failure.
  • They have relievers with ERAs of 5.14, 6.23 and 8.64 encompassing a total of 24 innings; that's 36% of all relief innings thrown by the team so far. This has helped lead to the Cubs being outscored by 19 runs.
  • Aramis Ramirez, Geovany Soto and Marlon Byrd have combined for two HR and 19 RBI in 223 AB.

Now, if anyone had told you back in March that after 20 games, all those things would happen, you'd probably have figured the Cubs would be about 5-15, right? And yet, here they sit at .500, and only half a game behind the Cardinals and Reds, currently tied for first place. The NL Central is filled with flawed teams, the Cubs among them. Get some of these hitters going the way they can; have the starting pitchers produce the way they did last year when they were second in the majors with 96 quality starts; and stop giving away every fifth game by starting James Russell, and maybe this team can finally put together a winning streak of more than two games. (They haven't lost more than two straight, either.)

A good time to start such a streak would be today.

Note: yesterday it was reported that the 1951 Red Sox were one of two teams (1970 Yankees the other) to go to 9-9 as this year's Cubs did. That was, evidently, a typo -- the correct Red Sox team that did that was the 1915 Red Sox. FWIW, the 1915 Red Sox won 101 games and the World Series. Just a point of information, nothing more.

Cubs lineup:

Fukudome RF, Barney 2B, Castro SS, Ramirez 3B, Peña 1B, Byrd CF, Soriano LF, Soto C, Zambrano P

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Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
Carlos Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Hiroki Kuroda
Hiroki Kuroda
Dodgers
2-0 W-L 2-2
4.21 ERA 3.33
23 SO 16
10 BB 5
3 HR 5
vs. LA -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Carlos Zambrano 2-0 4 4 0 0 0 0 25.2 22 12 12 3 10 23 4.21 1.25


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Hiroki Kuroda 2-2 4 4 0 0 0 0 27.0 27 11 10 5 5 16 3.33 1.19

The Cubs have somehow avoided seeing Hiroki Kuroda since Game 3 of the 2008 Division Series; about that game, the less said the better. The last time they faced him in the regular season was June 6, 2008 at Dodger Stadium; Kuroda was dominant that night. (Hard to believe that the 2008 97-win team actually had Sean Gallagher start a few games.) The Cubs had defeated him at Wrigley Field 10 days earlier; that's his only career start at Wrigley. Current Cubs are hitting .357 (10-for-28) vs. Kuroda with a pair of homers, one from Marlon Byrd, one from Jeff Baker.

Like Kuroda, Carlos Zambrano hasn't faced the Dodgers since the 2008 Division Series (Game 2 in his case). And, in his last regular season start against them on June 7, 2008 at Dodger Stadium, they hit him pretty good. But, check that boxscore. Only three of those starting eight are still on the Dodgers. One of them, Matt Kemp, has homered off Z -- he and Juan Uribe are the only current Dodgers who have.

Today's game is on CSN Chicago and Prime Ticket LA. The game is also being covered nationally on TBS, with announcers Brian Anderson and John Smoltz. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 1:15 pm CDT and the overflow threads will post at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT. If you need more overflows due to rain delays or extra innings (or just another 3 1/2 hour game like yesterday's), post them in the fanshot section.

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He's still bad

and it’s still sad that we’re hoping he can come pitch

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Apr 24, 2011 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, its depressing to me that we're hoping a guy who is so bad that Bartolo Colon

and Carlos Silva were signed off the scrap heap before him can come and help us in any way

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Apr 24, 2011 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

Nunya, I’m not asking for what you (and others) think the Davis signing means for the Cubs. I’m asking for an update on his progress.

You get the distinction, I’m sure. Also, there’s no need to really pound into any of our heads that the Cubs screwed the pooch in the aftermath of the Wells/Cashner situation. The fact that Russell is going to get a third start is inexcusable — though I take more issue with how the Cubs have reacted to the injuries, not to what they did before the injuries.

Doug Davis was a Hail Marry, and, sometimes, they work. That doesn’t mean I’m pleased that the Cubs needed a Hail Marry.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't get it

I thought the whole point of signing Davis was that he’d be a quick fix, able to start quickly. He must really be in bad shape.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've read conflicting reports.

When he was signed (on April 13), Bruce Levine said he had already gotten his pitch total to 72. That was 11 days ago, so maybe we’re being impatient.

However, I would like to know how he’s done, where he is, etc.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gordo, on April 13, reported that Davis wouldn't be ready for about three weeks.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/4805610-419/davis-ortiz-add-to-depth.html

Davis, 35, has been sent to Mesa, Ariz., for extended spring training and isn’t expected to be ready for games at any level for about three weeks.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I haven't been able to keep up

on the background stuff, so thanks.

But then I really don’t get it. Was the thinking that Russel could simply keep us in it enough to last till Davis could come up? That’s at least four starts. Doesn’t seem smart.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't seem smart, at all.

Russell for one emergency start was fine. But after that, somebody — Diamond, Jackson, Ortiz, etc. — should have been called up.

It really seems like the Cubs just think Russell is the best option.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

so much for all of our

“amazing” minor-league pitcher prospects.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if this speaks poorly of prospects.

They can be good prospects without being ready (McNutt, etc.). That said, splitting the difference with Diamond or Ortiz seems pretty easy, at this point.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

In early April,

I told a co-worker we have quite a few prospects that are 4-14 months away. Quite a few people seem to think that jumping someone from A Ball to the bigs is like switching an NFL LB from special teams to starting. Or jumping an NBA reserve to the starting 5. That isn’t how it works.

I will stick with my assessment. Unfortunately, none of our Prospects appear ready to take over a rotation spot yet. We had a few wishful thinking options in April that haven’t panned out.

That Robert Whitenack just called up to Tennessee indicates he is doing well. But, that doesn’t mean Whitenack will be ready for Wrigley anytime soon.

Mock our system if you want. They aren’t ready on our time, but theirs.

by timh815 on Apr 24, 2011 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree. Which is why I think this offseason is enormous...

A bunch of cash coming off the books and some youngsters primed to be big leaguers.

That’s not to say I’m overlooking this season, but rather that this offseason presents a great opportunity to position the franchise to be competitive for many seasons to come.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 24, 2011 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I get to listen to Smoltzie

With only one other dude in the booth? I’ve always enjoyed listening to him when he’s just throwing in the occasional anecdote. I’m interested to see how he handles having more airtime.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Apr 24, 2011 11:06 AM CDT reply actions  

This would be a great day for Zambrano to look like second half 2010 Zambrano

much like he did in his last start

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Apr 24, 2011 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Z, other than Monday, has been nothing better than decent. Monday was also an ideal pitching environment — which makes James Russell’s bad start on a night that was only slightly warmer all the more telling.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

put sori behind rami

and i would think the lineup is perfect.

I just want to win...

Poster formerly known as Wrigster.

by bilbosbuttons on Apr 24, 2011 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

It's a quibble, really

but Byrd, Pena, Soto, Pitcher at bottom of the lineup is flushing nearly half the lineup. With Sori down there it protects Soto a little.

JMAO

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 24, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

We might face Silva in June.

He’s working his way back in shape for the Yankees(might take awhile). But the Yankees are coming in June.

by Rick B on Apr 24, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Well, that's interesting.

So, Silva wouldn’t have been ready for the Cubs this month anyway, eh? In other words, he would be ready to pitch — admittedly, to Yankees standards — after Wells returns and (possibly) after Cashner returns.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Castro should be batting somewhere where he can drive in runs

TJ, I know you like him at leadoff, but we have other guys who can “sort of” do that job we don’t have a 3 hitter.

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Apr 24, 2011 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

I heard yesterday Fukudome is still looking for his first extra base hit of 2011.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 24, 2011 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amazing!!!

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by eswan9 on Apr 24, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minor quibble

I agree with Castro batting 3rd against RHP – I’ve been asserting that since last August.

But against LHP, they really don’t have much of a leadoff man other than maybe Baker, and I actually like Baker in the 5 spot because Baker 5 Soriano 7 gives them better double-switch options in the late innings.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Apr 24, 2011 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're just stretching for material.

Who should be hitting third today? Your boy Byrd?

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

it would allow him

to criticize Quade about something else. It’s win-win for him.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bat DOME third???

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. That's a terrible idea.

Setting aside my normal Kosuke dislike, you hit the high OBP guy higher in the lineup, and the better RBI guy lower.

by elgato on Apr 24, 2011 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our RBI guys aren't very good RBI guys tho, el...

wanna see something that’ll turn your stomache…

#3…Braun – 18 RBIs #3…Byrd – 5 RBIs
#4…Fielder – 21 RBIs vs. #4…A-Ram – 9 RBIs
#5…McGehee – 12 RBIs #5…Pena – 4 RBIs

Now, if the fact that our top 2 hitters aren’t getting on base was the problem, then I’d say those 3 had a reason…that ain’t the case. It’s a frickin’ miracle this team is at .500.

I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are good friends and a good bullpen. ~Bob Lemon, 1981

by Easy Ed on Apr 24, 2011 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, bat him 3rd.....!!!!!!!!

Leave Castro alone!!!! Castro should move when Jackson is brought up and bats 1st.

by TJ11 on Apr 24, 2011 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

so it's

ok to mess with Castro when Jackson is here, but not when Dome is here.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Vinny Del Negro is taking this team to the top!

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Apr 24, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

GO CUBS!!!!

…and Happy Easter to all my PEEPS!!!!
:)

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by cooliogirl47 on Apr 24, 2011 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

...

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 24, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no...

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Apr 24, 2011 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Young 4 carrying Cubs

Marshall, Marmol and especially Castro and Barney are carrying this team right now. Yes, Soriano looks a little better this year, but the youth of this organization is showing their moxy. I would hope that the many years of veteran reliance (a strong criticism I’ve had of Hendry) can finally be broken, and that we now can have a stronger brand of energy and aggressive baseball. And although I have been uneasy with the choice of Quade, it seems he maybe has a knack and talent for helping young players thrive. What a great double steal yesterday too.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 11:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Kerry?

By the way, anybody else notice Kerry hasn’t pitched for quite a while? Any injury anyone knows about? Especially odd given how taxed the bullpen is.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 11:44 AM CDT reply actions  

It was mentioned yesterday. He has warmed up.

Bruce Levine speculated that his back might be acting up, but he hasn’t talked to Quade about it.

by Rick B on Apr 24, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

You could get into journalism, you know

Here’s a job opening, and everything: http://crooksandliars.com/steve-weinstein/sickos-apply-here-best-want-ad-eve

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by Clutch16 on Apr 24, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Journalists are much better at hiding their agendas

TJ11 would make a rocking political blogger, however.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Apr 24, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I predict we'll be 11-11 pretty soon.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Apr 24, 2011 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

There is a fundamental problem with Castro batting 3rd in this lineup.

Our #1 and #2 hitters are on base all the friggin time, but our 3 and 4 hitters aren’t driving in enough runs.

Castro has been the #1 or #2 hitter for the majority of the season. If you move him to 3rd, there will be less guys on base for him to drive in, because HE’S THE GUY WHO’S ON-BASE ALL THE TIME!

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Apr 24, 2011 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree...

This season they need Castro at the top for energy, some semblence of speed and on-base percentage. Maybe down the line with other speed and new players they could move him down.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...

I sincerely hope Hendry after all these years might finally realize the importance of developing and empowering/playing youth. They bring speed, agreessiveness and energy that some of the sad sack veterans struggle with. A few veterans are good, but they should be sprinkled around younger talent, not the other way around. Brett Jackson should be called up…and forget this “when he is ready” and “when our plan says he should” rhetoric. When a guy like Soto, Castro, Barney, Jackson, etc are playing well below, bring them up. If a veteran (and especially money" are squeezed, that is a good thing. I like Marlon, but he must perform consistently.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is something the Packers in the NFL have really done well.

They played (and improved) lots of young players. For the whole time Ted Thompson has been in charge of the team, they’ve been among the youngest teams in the NFL. This has some disadvantages, but I like the job he’s done as the Packers have become one of the deepest teams in the NFL.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 24, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Apples and Pears

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 24, 2011 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 24, 2011 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

My idea w/Jackson - bring him up during interleague play

I had this idea original for Castro last year, but he actually got called up earlier than I expected. They should bring Jackson up on June 20 for the six road interleague games – 3 @ CHW, 3 @ KC – to get a taste of the big leagues. With the DH, the team can afford to bring up an extra bat and send a Stevens/Gaub down. Put Jackson in CF and bat him 9th.

Then send him back down to work on whatever areas where he was overmatched, and bring him up after the ASB, starting with the 10-game homestand on July 14. At that point, they can either thank Reed Johnson for his service if they’re contenders, or trade Fukodome or Byrd if they’re not.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Apr 24, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Goes for...

M. Smith, Lahair & Moore too.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Le Hair? Really?

Smith or Moore, yeah. Le Hair?

by timh815 on Apr 24, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know, not possible...

but the way Pena has started, they should keep everything possible in their minds.

by jtcitrus on Apr 24, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

This site reads like Cubs Propaganda all too often

They are LUCKY to be 10-10! They have played some of the worst teams (especially offenses) baseball has to offer. Pirates, Astros, Padres, Dodgers and Dbacks all SUCK. Milwaukee is a mediocre team with potential and the Rockies are rock solid. And the Cubs went 2-4 against them

What happens when we get to playing the Reds, Cards and other winning ballclubs?

by mcalis2 on Apr 24, 2011 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

News flash.

Cincinnati and St. Louis aren’t exactly winning many games this year, either. Last I heard, both of those ballclubs are very close to us in the standings.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 24, 2011 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

half

a game up.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Apr 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm no Kool-Aid drinker but there's one thing I've learned in all these years...

You are what your record says you are. Period.

Doesn’t matter if you deserve 18-2, 10-10, or 2-18.

Nobody deserves anything.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 24, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

that and anything can happen

one second you look like you are dead in the water, the next you have the opposing team loking for answers

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly, how long do you think that will last?

Take a look at Cincy’s offense. Release that like us, their pitching has held them back. Unlike us, they have significant depth in that area that is healthy and effective. Unless something totally outrageous occurs, Cincy wont be anywhere near us soon.

Not to mention- have you seen who cincy has played so far?

by mcalis2 on Apr 24, 2011 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

my bad

cincy has had nearly the same sched. as us

by mcalis2 on Apr 24, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't matter how long I think it's going to last.

All I care about is beating our opponent.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 24, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's right

Win every series at home and win half the series on the road, and you’re almost always a playoff team. A good team focuses on the task at hand, not at the standings.

It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??

by Invalid User on Apr 24, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think it will last longer than your understanding of how the reply button works

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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 24, 2011 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh im all over that nifty button now

Thanks for the encouragement Cubbie Tim!!!

by mcalis2 on Apr 24, 2011 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.

by eths on Apr 24, 2011 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

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